You CAN: Make the Most of Adversity

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host, Elise Cortes. In our

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program, we provide guidance and inspiration
from those people who have found deeper meaning

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and personal connection to their work life. It's beyond nine to five, it's

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working on purpose. Now Here is
your host, Elise Cortes. Thanks for

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tuning in again this week. I'm
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about helping people more meaningfully and productively
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helping people change their careers when they're
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which specializes in empowering individuals and organizations
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He is the author of In Defense
of Adversity. He joins today from

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Tampa, Florida. Steve, welcome
to Working on Purpose. Thank you pleasure

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being here. Well, let's get
as much as we can out of you

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in this little bit of time,
shall we your market st go, Let's

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do it. Well. I want
to dive right in if we can.

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Steven First, you know, anybody
who puts a book out into the universe,

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we all, anybody that's even attempted
or worked at this knows it really

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takes something. So there must be
something behind this, this idea of adversity

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for you, Where did the idea
come from to write the book? Yeah,

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it's a huge passion. I'm originally
from a small town in western Pennsylvania

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called Burgetstown, Pennsylvania. Burgotstown is
a small town formerly known for their coal

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mines, zinc mines, steel mills. It was a natural influx for immigrants

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from overall all around the world,
So I grew up with a every immigrant

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family, every immigrant nationality possible around
the world. It was a great place

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to grow up. About five years
ago. It's home for Christmas, and

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I asked my father, I wanted
to see where he grew up. He

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grew up in a little village within
Burgot's town called Langloth. That's where most

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of the coal miners, zinc miners
lived, and Langloth it's a small little

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village on a hill. It's nothing
special, just little tiny tenement houses,

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you know, nothing fancy, nothing
special. They all look the same.

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So I said, let's go up. I want to see where you grew

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up. So we drive up there
and my father, who was a successful

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entrepreneur in his own rights, said, that's where I grew up, this

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little tiny house, and that's where
I grew up. There's where doctor Spinogens

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grew up. There's where doctor Mouropis
grew up. There's where doctor Strassi grew

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up. And there's where Barry Elverrez
grew up. For those of you who

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don't know who Barry elvra Is is, he's the winning his football coach at

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the University of Wissconsin and their current
athletic director. So it was amazing.

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It hit me at that point,
what a wonderful story. All these immigrant

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families came to this little village with
nothing, not speaking each other's language,

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yet became doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs, athletes, professors, journalists. The

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story was amazing. So, you
know, with our crazy world we're in

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now, I felt I have to
tell this story. The problem is I'm

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not a biographer, So I sat
on it for a while and I interviewed

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some of the families and the stories
they told me, at least, were

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unbelievable. The trials and tribulations their
families had coming to America, you know,

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the troubles and trials and tribulations they
had growing and becoming successful in America.

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But they all eventually did. So
some other things transpired over those five

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years that really tied into the overarching
theme of the book in Defensive Adversity,

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and how it is more a person
and professional development book more so than a

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biography. And the key finding that
I think summarized, summarize those people in

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that town, and summarize the content
or title the book was the success or.

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The success that these people had in
this little town was due to the

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difficulties faced, the adversity they faced. They have nothing giving them, They

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had tough times, they made it. They didn't have any doubt that they

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would make it in America, And
as Barry Elber has said, people from

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this area knew how to grind,
they knew how to fight, scratch crawl

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to become successful. And that is
kind of the origin of the book.

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If that makes sense. That's gorgeous, Seve, great way to start.

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Thank you love the story. I'm
inspired already. So one of the things

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that struck me when I was going
through your book is you write in the

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first section about how we benefit when
we accept diversity as a way to make

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us better and stronger, and that
we shouldn't have it. Of course,

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you know it would be probably easier
to avoid it. But say more about

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this stance that you take in the
book. Yeah, one opening part of

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my book talks about accepting acknowledging adversity. To your point, the first piece

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is you need to accept that adversity
is going to happen in life. If

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you don't first accept it, you're
not going to be able to face it,

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you're not going to overcome it,
and you're not going to learn any

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valuable lessons from it. So I
talk about accepting that adversity is part of

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life, and that once we accept
that fact, the adversity becomes it takes

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a different light, if that makes
sense. It looks it appears as an

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opportunity more so than something that is
a difficulty, that I should shy away

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from the acknowledgment phases that yes,
accept the verse, adversity happens, but

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acknowledge that it's brought into our lives
for a reason, to make us evolve

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into the people we were meant to
become. I read that in your book,

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and I love that whole notion.
That just resonates with me big time.

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And you and I both have a
similar job in life and right and

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that we are right. We're developing
people in the higher performer speaker, leaders

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who make more impact, et cetera. So that whole idea really resonates with

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me. So, Okay, I'll
go run into the fire now, Steve,

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I'll do it. That might be
a little bit much, but you're

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thinking in the right thinking, right, So let's put that one. Okay,

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good, good, Okay. Well, I certainly have a pretty good

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idea about why this is an important
topic, but I want you to presence

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it for us. So why do
you think that the topic of adversity is

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so important and relevant today? Yeah, simple simple comment here. If you

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google the phrase how to deal with
adversity, it returns over twenty one million

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results. That statement of me,
there's a lot of people that are seeking

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help for this topic right now,
and I think people always have it.

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It's really hot now, So that's
one validation. The second piece is I

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always say we are in a fast
paced, high tech, ever changing,

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every evolving world. We're difficulties,
change, conflict, the need to respond

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to customers or other people is hitting
us faster than ever, and we don't

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have the necessary pools many times to
deal with this. So the fact that

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people are searching for it, I
think the fact that the times we're in

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creates a sense of urgency as well
too. Listen, there's no silver bullet

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for overcoming adversity. Adversity comes in
many forms. What might be a positive,

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productive, exciting challenge for one person
could be a trying, very difficult

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situation for another. So it really
runs the gamut. So what my book

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tries to do is three things.
First, help people assertively face those obstacles

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in their lives that ties to acknowledging
that things are going to happen. Right.

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The second part is hopefully successfully overcome
the adversity in their lives, and

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then the third piece is at least
learn a valuable lesson from those difficulties in

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our lives, because those lessons we
learn can help us prepare for those things

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that happen down the road, and
it will make us easier, better prepared

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for us to solve other problems that
come in our paths later on in life.

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One of my favorite things that I
like to work with people that I'm

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either doing a program for or either
I'm speaking to, is we can't solve

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the problem that we walked in the
room with exactly right. So definitely building

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ourselves as important. Yes, Well, I want to spend a little bit

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of time talking about a few examples
you cite in your book that I was

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really back to that whole notion of
how adversity helps you become who you were

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meant to be. And you really
struck me when you talked about how this

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is true and sadaras is nature mental
health history, that it just really was

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a fascinating idea for me. And
I wanted to hear about a few of

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the people that you talked about.
But first if you can comment on these

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of these areas that you mentioned,
what like, for example, adversity helping

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nature be more of who it's meant
it's meant to be. What would be

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an example of that. Yeah,
a couple things. Firstly, it's a

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great metaphor for my hometown, the
coal mining right, the coal mining town.

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You know, if you what does
what does a piece of diamond?

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What's a diamond Before it's a diamond, it's a piece of coal. The

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pressure that that piece of coal takes
on eventually makes it become a diamond.

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You know, I think that's a
great metaphor for my hometown and a great

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metaphor of how nature ties in pressures
and difficulties to make something beautiful so that

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coal becomes a diamond for anyone.
In athletics, you know you gain more

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if you're a runner. You gain
more strength and endurance when you run into

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the wind, not with the wind. Does that make sense? Absolutely?

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And I'm a runner, so you
bet say. It's same with weightlifting.

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When you're lifting weights, you gain
more strength muscle mass by lifting heavier weights,

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hence resistance. So you know whether
it be the coal and the pressure

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or the resistance in running or or
out weightlifting. I think those are great

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metaphors or analogies whatever you want to
say that prove that the difficulties we face

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are meant to strengthen us. I
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piece that I think nature has a
lot of different examples of that. So

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this is great. This is so
good to help people really get their arms

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around why this is a good idea
to lean into adversity. So I wanted

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to if you would bring to life
and paint for us. There's at least

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four people in the book that you
mentioned around examples of this here and what

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is Helen Keller? So would you
say a little something about how adversity,

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how she embraced adversity and what that
did for her. Yeah, if you

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don't mind, I'm going to skip
into someone I actually interviewed. Would that

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be okay? Absolutely, you've got
anything like that. I just want to

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bring it to life. It's just
interesting, you know, going to your

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point about Helen Keller, if you
look at Helen Keller, Steve Jobs,

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Oprah Winfrey, Walt Disney, Abraham, Lincoln, Winston, Churchill. All

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great leaders, entrepreneurs, highly successful
people. None of them came by easily.

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All of them faced great difficulties,
failed, they were told they were

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failures, and they all became usually
successful. So grouping those people in the

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one you know is one part of
that. A person I interviewed someone I

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absolutely love. His name's Chad Hymas. I'm not sure if you heard of

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Chad, but Chad is one of
the most popular speakers on the NSA public

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speaking circuit. Now, Chad speaks
over two hundred times a year, but

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he is as a quadriplegic. Chad
Jeimus was actually a elk farmer in I

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believe, Utah and had an unfortunate
accident while moving bales of hay and he

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was moving to baila hay and his
hydraulic fluid went out. He didn't change

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it and kept trying to move Hey
and a thousand pounds one thousand pounds bill

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Hey crashed on him and ultimately he
became a quadriplegic. Yet he's a hugely

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successful speaker. Now, as I
said, two hundred days a year,

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it takes Chad Highness two hours to
get ready every morning. Yet once again

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he does over two hundred speaking engagements
a year. One of the things Chad

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said to me regarding adversity, and
this times into acknowledging it's meant to be

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in our lives for a reason.
Chad Heeimas basically said, whether you succeed

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or not succeed in an adverse situation
depends on the lens you choose to view

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it. If you choose to do
an adverse situation is something negative, it

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will be just that. If you
choose to view an adverse situation is something

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positive, something you can leverage and
use to your advantage and or learning grow

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farm, then it can be a
positive thing for you as well too.

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So you know, Chad is a
great motivator, touches millions of lives a

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year, and he's a greater example
of someone who faced an incredibly incredible strategy

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and really made something of himself.
He probably also has the money quote of

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all the quotes in my book,
and it goes as follows. This is

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from Chad Jeimas. Sometimes when you're
in a dark place, you think you've

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been buried, but actually you've been
planted. Oh Kat, stellar, isn't

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that beautiful? I mean that I
have so many people reach out to me

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and say your book's great. But
there was this one quote that I love.

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I can't remember what it was,
and I always say it's got to

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be the chat Jaimas quote and I
repeat it and they're like, that's it,

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that's it. But doesn't that resonate? You know? That is an

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amazing, amazing quote and amazing guy
as well too. M This is good

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stuff, good stuff, Steve.
I like it. Well, I want

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to hear a little bit more about
this. You already talked about this notion

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of failure, and you talked about
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on that and I completely agree with
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But say a little bit more about
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Yeah, those difficult times are the
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and take different steps. I can
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times had been my best times.
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my book called the Summer from Hell. It's a story about when my parents'

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house of all things, fell in
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in that accident, and the same
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market and I ended up having to
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was in hospital. So that's summer
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We had a deal with the house
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the store, and I mean it
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I was eighteen nineteen years at the
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pressure I ever had my life.
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best thing that ever happened to me
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It was a catalyst for me to
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and made me a man overnight.
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seem horrible at the time, that
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working on purpose. If you're just
joining us, My guest is Steve Govatorta

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of the Steve Govatorta Group from small
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Companies. Steve collaborates with organizations to
build foundations, set goals, and eclipse

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their highest potential. He's the author
of In Defense of the Diversity, Turning

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your toughest challenges into your greatest success. We've been talking a little bit about

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where this book came from and really
how adversity helps us grow to the beings

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that we can actually be. Next, I want to get more into some

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of the actual manics of the physiological
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the veil back a little bit if
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Steve, I want to go back
to what we were saying before the

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break about this notion of how we
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failures have created us into the beings
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with that. I highly recommend,
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that you find a way to,
if not at least declare those things

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to yourself, but to also write
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identity that made you who you are. Do you do that with your clients

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at all or do you have a
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called a situational debrief. Okay,
great, great, and that's what I

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talk about. You know, the
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my book does once again, learning
from adversity. You know, that's where

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we learn valuable lessons, and I
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consists of four parts. So when
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you can go back to times before. It doesn't have to be an immediate

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scenario. You can go to back
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debrief on something that just happened.
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to do is capture the situation in
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involved in it again. What were
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good bad, or indifferent. What
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Get it all on paper, think
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are is essentially what are key learnings
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did I learn? Everything? You
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bad in are indifferent, And the
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what are your key next steps or
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So essentially what you're doing is starting
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ago, and you're thinking about it
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the emotional state of mind. Sometimes
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we can't think clearly. A situation
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when you're less emotional, you're much
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create those new patterns, to see
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could have handled a situation differently,
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or recently as well too. So
replay it, capture the situation, what

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are the outcomes, key learnings,
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that will that will strengthen yourself for
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lives. Beautiful, Steve, thank
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I like to be able to give
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from our conversation and put into their
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So thank That's perfect good. Okay, So going back into a physiological

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piece of this here, Steve,
I've had a little bit of exposure to

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this, but not very much much, and I know i'd like to share

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with our listeners. And so you
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earlier. But you know, when
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and certainly adversity has a shock element
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there's something about the hormonal piece of
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bit of something about what happens to
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theologically, right, let's go back
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There's two really essential important parts of
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the cerebral cortex. Just to give
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response to adverse situations. So,
ye, many moons ago, when we

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were cave men and women, a
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It was got emotional reaction to that
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evolve. It's what we're born with. And when you're in that olympic state

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of mind, you're adrenaline starts rushing
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responses freeze, fight or flight,
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in the art common and running from
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That might be dealing with work situations, personal situation, business situations. That's

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not where you want to be when
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situation. The core tex part of
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reason logic, you fall. It
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your experiences can help develop the cortex. That's where you want to be when

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adversity strikes. In that rational state
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learned. You fall back. You
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do not have to fall in that
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to an Olympic state? Right?
Several parts here. This from one of

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my kickboxing coaches. His name is
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He was a former millet, was
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team leader in the Indianapolis Police Force, and he was a certified tactical instructor

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and Can nine handler for the Indianapolis
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taught this philosophy or this brain function
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house on a swat raid are what's
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doing it. So you learn these
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world environment, so when it actually
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So and Eric Parker really lives what
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drug raid when he was shot in
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shot in the head and shot in
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arm, dropped his shotgun, couldn't
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non shooting hand to reload, to
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saved his life. Essentially, what
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fell back on saved his life.
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of police officers killed in the line
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to prevent their deaths. The reason
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of mind. So the point is
fall back on skills fall back on your

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learnings, fall back on experiences,
so you can in turn handle these difficulties

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when they happen. His whole point
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to prevent the transfer of authority from
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once you're in that emotional freeze,
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be able to back out of it. It's very hard. You got to

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get time away. And that's the
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that a step further. Think about
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arithmetic, if you're in sports,
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If you're learning sales training, what
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all those instances are base fundamental skills
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All those scenarios, whether it's reading, writer, arithmetic, dealing with

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the blocking and tackling of a sporting
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throw those people in real world environments, so you're practicing the skills in real

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world environments. That connects the dots
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apply to my world. You fall
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and development. That's what you need
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adversity strikes. I'll give you an
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in my book was Ken o'keef.
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Hawkeyes. Ken o'keef, first thing
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quarterbacks, how to throw the football
properly. Then he teaches has his players

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put those skills in real world environments. He says, go throw in a

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rain shower, Go throw against the
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The basic point is learned how to
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game time, you're not surprised,
you're not shocked. Does that make sense

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completely? Yes? And then think
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school, reading, writing, arithmetic, right, we learned let's take math.

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skills. Then we did what we
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into use in real world environments.
So that's how you kind of stay out

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of the cortech or Olympic system is
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That's why say, it's just so
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to be willing to face and learn
from an adverse situation, because it prepares

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you for the future, so you
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follow on the same I do.
I totally get. It sounds to me

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like it takes a good amount of
practice, right right, I can well

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imagine this is something that we can
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lives for sure, and continue to
build on. Now, this is not

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the learning mindset you talk about in
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that something else? Well, that's
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okay. Learning the mindset is basically
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is going to happen. Okay,
gotcha, gotcha? You know that,

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Hey, we have that in that
mindset that every day is a chance to

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learn, every day is a chance
to be tested. Every day there's a

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chance to learn and grow and overcome
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having that knowledge is helpful, and
I'll add a step further kind of to

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the point we're talking about and build
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tie into my book and this process
using a behavior based survey to help have

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self knowledge self discovery. That ties
to that learning attitude. The more I

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learn about myself, the more I'm
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deal effectively effectively with adversity. So, whether it's disc or Myers Briggs,

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I'm assuming you've heard of those,
yes I have. I would love to

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have you talk about this, Steve, and if you can talk about each

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one of the four styles that would
be blended. Okay, we absolutely and

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that ties that learning learning mentality.
If I can learn about myself, I'm

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going to learn better what triggers me, what may trigger an adverse event in

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my life, a situation, a
person, and what my limbic system response

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is going to be. Because if
I can understand those triggers and those limbic

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responses, guess what, I'm going
to be able to manage that situation more

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effectively. I'm going to be able
to avoid answering authority from the core text

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of the limbic system. So I
use the DISC Behavioral Survey to help people

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understand themselves, and I tie that
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and responses. So what might trigger
a So people who may not know what

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DISC is, let's talk that DISC
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understand their behavior, their communication style, how they deal with conflict, change,

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risk taking, and also how to
deal with other people. All these

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things that may do what trigger adverse
responses, right, change, adversity,

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conflict, Other people can create these
things in our lives. So by understanding

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your style, you're going to be
able to understand how to better deal with

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these things. So, as example
the four styles regarding the DISC Behavioral Survey,

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that DISC is an acronym for the
four behavior styles. D stands for

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dominance, I stands for influence,
S stands for steadiness, C stands for

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compliance. I talk about the book. If you can understand your DISC style,

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you'll know those triggers are going to
push you and what that response is

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going to be. So a trigger
for a dominant style might be losing control

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of the situation, not being able
to change fast enough, and their limbic

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response is essentially going to be fight. Just to summarize it, D's are

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fighters, I's are flighters, S's
are freezers, and c's are freezers or

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fighters. And mind you, people
are not necessarily D or I or S

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or C. There are typically blends
of various styles, so that emotional response

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a freeze, fight or flight can
differ with each person. I'm a high

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S D blend, so when adversity
strikes, I will typically freeze up then

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I'll fight, So the SD are
in play when adversity strikes for me.

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So I now know what things may
trigger me and what my lambic response is

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going to be, so I can
be better prepared to deal with it,

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to understand that trigger and knows what's
going to do to me and recognize when

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I'm going to fall, what that
limbic response looks like, and when I'm

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falling into that If that makes sense, that was incredibly helpful, very helpful

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to me. Yes, And on
that note, let's take our last break

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here really quick. Here, Steve
hang on, I'm Alis Cortez, your

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host. We are on the air
with Steve Gavatorta, who is the owner

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of Steve Gavatorta Group, which specializes
in empowering individuals and organizations in identifying,

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developing, and exceeding performance goals.
He is the author of In Defense of

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Adversity, Turning your toughest challenges into
your greatest Success. He joins us today

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from Tampa, Florida. We've been
talking a bit about more of the insides

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of his book here. After the
break will continue the conversation. Stay with

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us, We'll be right back.
Alice Cortez is a speaker and engagement and

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development catalyst. She designs and delivers
professions, development, leadership and engagement workshops

435
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and can bring her expertise to your
organization. She will help ignite meaningful development

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within your workforce that will increase employee
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more or to invite Elise to speak
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www dot elisecortes dot com. She
would welcome the opportunity to help get your

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employees working on purpose. This is
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reach our program today, send an
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com. Now back to working on
Purpose. If you're just tuning in,

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My guest is Steve Gabatorta of the
Steve Gabatorta group from Small Businesses on the

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Move to forty five hundred companies.
Steve collaborates with organizations to build foundations,

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set goals, and eclipse her highest
potential. He's the author of in Defensive

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Adversity, Turning your toughest challenges into
your Greatest Success. I'm your host,

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Lisa Cortez. So before the break, Steve, you were talking about the

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DISK assessment and how you can start
to learn something about yourself in regard to

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how you handle or usually respond to
adversity, and you mentioned the D style,

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the dominant style. What about the
others? Could you say a bit

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more about the other three as well? Yeah, the influencer the eye stands

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for influencer, and the influencer style
is very essentially an extroverted people person type

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style. So any adverse situation where
there's a people dynamic, there's a conflict,

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someone is mad at you, or
you know, you're having a personal

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fight in the office, a boss
is not treating you well, that can

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trigger an adverse response and the advert
the limbic response for an influencer is to

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run away from it, to flee
it. So once again, those instances,

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those people, dynamics people can create
a lot, create a lot of

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issues in our lives. Right those
people dynamics will weigh very heavily on the

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influencer, and once again their limbic
response is to free or to run away

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from it, which isn't good.
The steadiness style, which is my prime

461
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.280
style. You know, these people
are very methodical, they move at a

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slower pace, they're very collaborative,
they like team environments. They do not

463
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like to make quick decisions and don't
necessarily change. So when their feathers are

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ruffled there's a change or a deadline
that strikes right away, or there's not

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a sense of camaraderie or teamwork,
those things can be adverse triggers that can

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set the steadiness style into that limbic
response. And for them, once again

467
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it is to freeze. So they
freeze up, intense up. That is

468
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my limbic response. Those are things
that trigger me and my limbic response.

469
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Once again, I've learned that it's
helped me self manage. And then lastly,

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the CC stands for compliant, the
complying people or even less risk averse.

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They do not like change, even
more than the s their typical number

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crunters. They want to do the
right thing. They do not like being

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pressed for time or being pushed on
deadlines and things of that nature. They

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don't like change at all. So
when they're put in this situation where they

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have quick change, they have to
make a fast decision, or they're pushed

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hard for a deadline, those things
can create adverse situation, adverse triggers,

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and their response is either to freeze, shut down via analysis paralysis, or

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fight back as well too. So
once again, each of these styles have

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their respective triggers and their Limbic responses. The whole key is I if I'm

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taking that learning, that mindset,
that learning mentality, and understanding myself my

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style, I'm going to be able
to better manage that dynamic and once again

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prevent the transfer of authority from the
coretext of the Limbic system and in turn

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handle that adverse situation in a productive, positive manner. That was incredibly useful,

484
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and I got just some fantastic insight
into a friend of mine, and

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now I better understand why she responds
the way that she does in certain situations.

486
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Thank you very much. You're welcome, You're welcome. Okay, all

487
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right, Well, the next thing
I wanted to cover here. I think

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you did such a beautiful job when
you helped us talk about how can we

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process some of the adversity that we
deal with in your system that you mentioned,

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Could you talk about the key foundational
principles that underlie your book. Yeah,

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there are four based principles. But
this is not a fluff book.

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This is fact base. It has
a lot of insights from highly successful people.

493
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:37.480
It's scientific, it's really it's not
a fluff book. There's really four

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foundational pieces. We've talked about several
already, but I'll review them again.

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Four foundational elements to how this book
was formulated and provides the backbound for it.

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The first being I interviewed over sixty
highly successful people, either interview them

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directly or serve that surveyed them.
Essentially, I asked them five questions about

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adversity. What did they learn from
it? How do they face it?

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How do they prepare for it?
Who influences them any daily habits and hobbies

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they have to prepare them for adverse
situations down the road. These successful people

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consisted of entrepreneurs, businessmen and women, leaders, athletes, professional, amateur

502
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:24.400
college athletes and coaches as well too. I interviewed some heavy hitting folks and

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00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:30.239
the responses I got, Elise was
more than I bargained for. I have

504
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:37.360
over three hundred insightful pieces from these
people. I was shocked at how awesome

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00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.920
it was. It really warmed my
heart. So I couldn't put all that

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in my book. That is a
foundational part of my book, how these

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people deal with adversity. So what
I basically did, I tried to get

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everyone involved at least once in my
book so you'll understand how various people deal

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00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:58.159
with these difficult situations once again as
experts. In fact, I had so

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much information. I have something on
my website called the Sage Insights Recap,

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and people can go on my website
and download that for free and it can

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actually see all the insights that I
collected from these sixty highly successful people.

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And I do a YouTube site as
well too, where I review these tips

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every day, one person at a
time, so people can actually hear in

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this wisdom. And I call it
once against Sage Insights. So that's the

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first foundational piece. The second foundational
piece is brain functionality. What we talked

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about already the limbic system and cortex
piece, and then the third piece is

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a behavioral assessment disc or any Youngian
based assessment is the third foundational element.

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And the last foundational element is essentially
my experience as a coach, leader,

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manager, business owner. Prior owning
my business, which I've done for fifteen

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years, I spent twenty one years
in corporate America across various roles, roles

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and responsibilities. I faced and seen
many different things. So the fourth foundational

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piece is essentially my background and experience
as a business owner and in corporate America.

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Got it. That's fantastic. I
really appreciate the research, Steve.

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00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.159
I also am a researcher. I
also found it to be a privilege and

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a delight and an inspiration to do
that research. So I can really appreciate

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00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:23.719
it, and I also know how
much work it is, so pass off.

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00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.239
Yeah, thank you, thank you. I just need to write my

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book, that's all. Well,
read those insights and you'll be inspired on

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00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.719
those down times. You'll definitely be
inspired. So I think it's important to

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consume inspiration daily. I recommend it. That's part of the reason that I

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00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.360
host this show. So happy that
You've shared that with our listeners, and

533
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.679
that's great. Can I throw a
question back to you? Yeah, do

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00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.599
you like writing? Is that something
easy for you or is that something that

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00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:57.679
is tough for you? I do
like writing, and I have I'm kind

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00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.960
of a geek in some ways,
Steve. I like I like thinking,

537
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:05.960
I like research, and I like
writing. However, certainly I find that

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00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.119
i'm not as it doesn't come as
easily to me as it used to when

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00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:12.000
I was in school. Yeah.
How was that for an answer? Yeah,

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00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:14.559
same, same, same, almost
the same here. I just don't

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00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.519
like it as much as you do. What I was going with this for

542
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:23.440
you and myself, I look at
writing a book as a way of testing

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myself and helping myself become stronger and
putting myself in an uncomfortable environment to grow.

544
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.039
You follow on the same I do, and I like that, and

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00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.079
that's you know. I talk a
lot about you know, some things,

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daily habits, and we can get
into that later. But one of them

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is, you know I call testing
yourself, and that's thrown yourself into uncomfortable

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00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.360
environments. I don't like writing,
and I don't necessarily like writing a book,

549
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.039
and I knew going into this is
my second book, that it was

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going to be a difficult experience.
At the same time, I was dealing

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with hurricane that was a hurricane Irma. There was a main water main break

552
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:04.400
above me in my Econominium, and
my best friend almost died from a heart

553
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.239
attack. So while I was writing
the book, many things averse things happened

554
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.559
as well too. So the whole
process was a test for me. It

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was an opportunity to help me do
something out of my box and grow from

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it. And that's what I recommend
people do as well, to to prepare

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them down the road. Do something
that tests you, that stretches you.

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If you want to become a public
if you're afraid of becoming speaking in front

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of an audience, whether you want
to be a public speaker or you just

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have to do it in your job, go take a class, stretch yourself,

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00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.559
put yourself in that environment, and
that's going to enable you to grow

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and become able to worrying about things
and enable you to better overcome and face

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things those obstacles in your life as
well too. So I wanted to just

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parlay off that in a little bit
as well too, because you know it's

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relevant to helping keeping that to your
point that what you talked about earlier on

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my book, that learning mindset.
Mm hmm, well to that point you're

567
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.920
reminding me, Steve. I'm soon
going to go on vacation to Sydney,

568
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Australia and Auckland, New Zealand,
and I have two coaches that I work

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with because I think if you're wrapped
something in life, you need help to

570
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:13.280
get there. And I need to
two coaches. And one of my coaches

571
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.159
said, well, there's one thing
you have to do if you're going to

572
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.119
go to Sydney, you got to
do the bridge walk. I am pretty

573
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.440
afraid of heights, Steve, pretty
pretty afraid of heights, and I'm committed

574
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.599
to doing this now. When I
lived in Brazil years ago and I tried

575
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:30.400
to get over my fear of heights
by by hang lighting, I thought,

576
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:31.719
I thought, if I could run
and jump off a cliff, you know

577
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.800
that I can get over my fear
of heights, which seemed to work really

578
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:37.880
well until the second time I did
it and we crashed on the beach.

579
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.079
But anyway, I'm still working at
this. I'm going to embrace this,

580
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.760
so thank you. Well, Well, I have yet to let the tarantula

581
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:47.719
walk on me. So there's still
things I haven't done as well. Either,

582
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:51.320
I want to say. I want
to say one other thing. You

583
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.440
know I talk in my book,
you know daily habits you can do to

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strengthen yourself for adversity. I talked
about one. We just have been talking

585
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.440
about the testing yourself. I want
to commend you because you do another one

586
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:08.239
of my recommendations. Another one is
called supporting yourself using a coach, finding

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00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:14.360
a mentor someone you can bounce ideas
off when difficulties strike, or bounce an

588
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.960
idea off. So those are daily
habits I recommend for people, you know,

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00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:22.760
supporting yourself through a mentor a coach, family member, someone you can

590
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:28.280
lean on, a trusted person that's
going to help you become stronger during those

591
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:34.079
adverse situations instead of doing something alone, or or you have someone to fall

592
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.679
back on and rely on. And
once again that testing yourself, stretching yourself.

593
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:43.079
These two things are part of the
four daily habits I recommend that can

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help strengthen people and prepare people for
those adverse situations that lie down the road.

595
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.039
Thank you for that. I appreciate
the idea of putting in daily habits.

596
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.440
Another nice A nice takeaway for our
listeners too, So nice gift,

597
00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.639
Thank you Stexel. We're getting close
to running a time. So a couple

598
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.119
more questions I want to get out
of you. I can just real quick.

599
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:07.039
So you know, when you were
interviewing these various people here, one

600
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of the things you ask them as
how have you leveraged adversity to your advantage?

601
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What have you gained or learned that
you wouldn't have if you if you'd

602
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.239
given up. What are some of
the things that people said to that question.

603
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:21.679
Yeah, I think, just to
recap, I think the overarching theme

604
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:28.559
of the interviews of these people they
basically do not fear adversity. They look

605
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.920
at adversity as opportunity. They look
at adversity as something to overcome and learn

606
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.719
from. I mean that is why
I believe these people are successful. So

607
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:43.880
the lessons were very varied, depending
on football coaches, business owners, so

608
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.960
it ran the gamut. But I
think the main thing that enabled them to

609
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:53.760
learn lessons or do become successful was
their willingness to look to not fear adversity,

610
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.800
to look at that to once again, it ties back to my accepting

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and acceptance acknowledgement I think that adversity
is going to happen, and acknowledge it's

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meant for us to evolve into the
people we were meant to become. And

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I think that's the common thread.
The learnings varied from each person depending on

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their role and responsibility. Does that
help? Does that answer? Yeah,

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that's what That's gorgeous and also reinforces
some of the things we've been talking about

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as well, which is great.
Absolutely. And is that the main key

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takeaway that you want your readers to
get or is there something else in addition

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to that. Yeah, it's basically
that that you can't run from adversity,

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you can't run from difficult people,
accepting that that's part of life. And

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then the second part of this is
to acknowledge that it's meant to be on

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our lives to help us evolve into
the people we were meant to become.

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At least, my most difficult times
have been my best times, no question,

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I no question. I talk about
my summer from Hell. I often

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think about what I would have done
see when not my parent, my house

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collapse in mind, or house collapse
in mind, my dad, I got

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sick, I didn't have to run
the market. I originally it was the

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worst thing that happened to me.
It was either Steve, we don't run

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the market, we apply for welfare, or Steve runs the market. We

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overcome this and I chose, thank
god, to run the market. It

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was one of the helped me become
a man overnight. I often think of

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what would have happened if I didn't
do that. Often. I have a

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keynote speech, you know, called
Shopright Hates Kodak. It's my last corporate

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job, and it was essentially a
story about my toughest retailer, my toughest

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customer ever. I mean, they
were brutal, they didn't trust us,

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and I was able, fortunately through
multiple reasons and hard work, to turn

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that situation around and turn a horrible
situation into a positive situation. That's another

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example of my roughest corporate scenario.
That was my best corporate scenario. And

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in fact, no only I get
paid to speak keynotes and workshops on that

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situation, So that adverse situation is
still paying dividends to me today. So

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nice, nice, nice return.
Well, thank you for all of that.

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It has been wonderful to have you
on the show. We're really almost

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out of time, but I want
to give you thirty seconds for what you

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might want to leave our listeners with
today. Yes, essentially, life is

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school or life is look at life
as school. Every day you're in school.

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Every day school's in session. Every
take advantage of it. Every day

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offers us opportunities to face, overcome, and learn from the obstacles in our

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lives, even those little frustrations.
If we can learn how they trigger us,

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what our response is going to be, and we and if we deal

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with the difference, we train our
cortex part of our brain to look at

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that experience as something positive. Those
little wins are going to help us on

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those bigger difficult times and help we're
goin in those bigger moments. I should

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say as well to you, so
look at life as school. Every day's

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an opportunity to learn, take advantage
of it. Sounds like we're is to

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live by. Thank you so much, Steve, really appreciate meeting you,

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having you on the show, and
sharing you with my listeners. Thank you

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so much for being with us.
Likewise, likewise, if you want to

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learn more about Steve Gaviatorta, his
book, or the Workiness Team, do

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visit the website. It's gavatorta dot
com. That's g A V Steve help

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me out GA GA V A t
O r ta dot com. There you

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go, and I like so much
better how you say it. And next

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week we'll be on the air with
Lauren Midgley, who is a business and

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franchise consultant, author and speaker,
will be talking about her book a Week

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Strategies to Increase Profits for the franchise
owner and other insomniac business owners. See

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you then, remember that work is
at least one third of our life,

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so let's work on purpose. We
hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be

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sure to tune in to Working on
Purpose featuring your host Alis Cortes, each

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week on the Voice America Empowerment Channel. This week, find your life's purpose at work