April 28, 2026

The Road Back to Yourself: What 40,000 Miles Can Teach You About Living Fully

The Road Back to Yourself: What 40,000 Miles Can Teach You About Living Fully
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Sometimes, the longest journeys are the ones that bring you home to yourself. In this heartfelt episode, entrepreneur Michael Yang shares how a 40,000-mile motorcycle journey became a moving meditation on his life—from his early years in Korea during wartime, to immigrating to the United States, to building a life of success, love, and family. This is an exploration of what it means to truly live, to honor where you’ve come from, and to embrace what brings you alive.

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Welcome back to the Working a Purpose program pased training

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Doctor Elise Cortes. If you haven't heard this show before,

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books and how we can help you. Getting In today's program,

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we have with us Michael Yang. He's a career an

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American entrepreneur, investor, and adventurer whose journey bridges two continents

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and tell us of a lifelong pursuit of meaning. Born

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in Seoul, South Korea, he immigrated to the United States

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at the age of fourteen and went on to build, create,

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and lead companies during the birth of Silicon Valley's Internet revolution.

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He's the author of Coming Alive on the Ride, a

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memoir of motorcycle travel, self discovery, and Korean heritage. We'll

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be talking about it today from the Danish point of

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his Korean heritage itself and the learnings that came with that.

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We're going to hear about some of the points from

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his forty thousand miles in motorcycle travel, and finally some

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of the his entrepreneurial ventures and pursuits and how they

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came to be. He joins us today from Los Angeles,

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CAV I am here at different place. I'm here broadcasting

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live from the University of Texas at Dallas, the Devian

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Jendal School of Business. Michael, Welcome to Working on Purpose.

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Thank you, thank you for having me so so welcome.

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I want to celebrate this beautiful thing you brought into

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world with Michael. I know you have four children, and

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I like to tell my guests because most all of

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them are authors that writing a book is harder than

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bringing a child into the world. I know because I've

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done both. So I just want to say congratulations.

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Thank you, thank you so much.

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So let's start. Oh, absolutely, you know, it's always amazing

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to me. I don't know about you, Michael, but I

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want to go into like, you know, Barnes and Noble

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or any kind of a bookstore. I'm always amazed, Like,

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I know what it takes to bring a book into

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the world, and look at all of these hundreds of

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thousands of books in here. It's crazy to me.

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Right right, But we're driven by the story that we

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want to share with the world. So it's been a

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labor of love for me.

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For sure. Well let's start a little bit here. Just

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you know, I love how you open your book and

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you say, to my fellow adventuress and adventurers at heart,

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my hope is that in reading this book, you'll be

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inspired to embrace the adventure that is your life, finding

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the most soulful elements by the university along the way,

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and ultimately be rewarded with the gift of adventure, the

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daily joy of mystery, beauty and truth. Let's start with that,

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shall we might go. Let's start on that note.

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Sure, yeah, so you know, life is hard and there

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are a lot of struggles that I think everybody goes

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through whether you're successful or not. But in my experience,

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you know, I try to do my best in everything

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that I take on. And later in my life in

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my sixties, I went on a cross continental motorcycle trips

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across America and Canada and Mexico and realize that, you know,

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taking on adventures in life, despite the fear and the

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anxiety that comes with you know, going into something that's

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unknown and uncertain, has provided a tremendous amount of growth

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and and realization about myself and added meaning to my life.

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So that's what I want to encourage audience to do,

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to embrace the adventure.

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Hmm. I want I want to echo that there, Michael.

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One of my coaches and mentors is Sean Anderson, who

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I met on air many many years ago, and he

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has a practice when he travels, he likes to go

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into a country that he traveled, he plans to walk across,

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so no two wheels, two wheels, but walk across over

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a certain period of time. And he generally what he

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does his approach to that is he doesn't plan hotels

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in advance or hostels or anything like that. He finds

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lodging and food along the path. And he's a vegan,

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so it's no small feat to be able to do this,

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and he does it to stay sharp right, to keep

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those life skills of origing of sorts, if you will,

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really strong. It's amazing.

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Yes, I mean, in my experience, going into a foreign

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country is a great idea because you're kind of in

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a unknown environment, and when you get to talk to

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the local people, you sort of see how they think

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and how they live, and I think that is a

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sort of fine enlarging experience. So I think travel to

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foreign countries is a great thing, and I encourage everybody

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to do that if they haven't already.

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It's one of those things. Someone said that it's one

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of the best ways to remove judgment, bias, and ignorance,

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and I completely agree with that.

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Yes, yes, absolutely, And.

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To that end, Michael, I want to celebrate that you

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came to the United States when you were fourteen years old,

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and your father blazed the trail. He came first, and

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it was because of his courage and tenacity that he

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was able to get the whole family here and look

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what you've done. We're going to talk in the third

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segment about your business pursuits, but I want to say

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to you, you are what makes America great. Oh, people

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like you that come You're welcome, who come to this country,

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who don't speak the language, who find a way, they persevere,

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they see the opportunity, and they sail past those of

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us who were born here. I want to just celebrate that.

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Oh, thank you so much. I was very blessed to

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be able to come to America. I had a just

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wonderful image of America and believe that it's a country

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that provided an opportunity, and I did my best to

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try to get the best education I can, work as

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hard as I can and pursue my dream, and I

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was rewarded with some success. And I'm taking that success

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to something more meaningful by encouraging people to find bitter

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path for themselves through my book Coming Alive on the Ride.

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Something that I learned from your book that I wanted

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back to because this segment I wanted to focus as

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much as we can on your early heritage and your education.

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You talk about what was like to grow up in

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South and South Korea. After the war when North and

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South were divided with very different ways of being governed

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and such. Can you speak a little bit about how

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the war changed, how your country was divided and how

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it was led.

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Right, So, the Korean War was very devastating war, even

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more devastating than the US Civil War because it was

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same country, same people who lived in the same land

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for hundreds and thousands of years, but because of the

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ideological difference between sort of communism or socialism in the

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North supported by Soviet Union, and then sort of democratic

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capitalist society supported by the United States in the South Korea.

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And that was really the beginning of the division of

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two Koreas, which is tragic and very sad. But you know,

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I think that the history has proven that the communism

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doesn't work. There's no incentive for people to work hard

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and try to create additional value to the society. So

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the capitalism is has proven superior. But capitalism requires that

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you look after those who have fallen behind through some

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social safety nets and others. So, you know, I think

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Korea is looking for that new way where everybody can

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you know, lead a decent life regardless of you know,

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where your stations are in the society, and so yeah,

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it's a kind of very interesting comparing the Korean experience

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and the American experience as it relates to sort of

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ideological differences between the two countries history.

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What would you say, I don't know, you could You've

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written a whole book here about your experiences, but just

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a few things that you would say that what did

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you what did you get from growing up in Korean?

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What what did it teach you that has been useful

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that you brought forth into your life.

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So, you know, I think the biggest thing that I

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would say I learned is, you know, the importance of harmony,

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whether it's in family or in a country. We were

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pretty poor, uh in the sixties in Korea because the

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war devastated the country and the country Korea has not

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much natural resources other than some farming, and so uh,

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you know, I think it taught me to be resilient

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growing up in that in that society that had very

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scarce resources. But even more than that, I think the

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importance of living in harmony of another one another is

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very important, especially after the devastating war that divided the country.

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But yeah, coming to America was a complete eye opening experience.

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Because of the abundant resources as well as abundant opportunities

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that America provided something that we didn't we didn't have

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in Korea, and that was the reason why my father

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decided to come to America and bring the family along,

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to give us better opportunity in education and in my

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in our career.

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And I really applaud that change. I lived in Spain

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and brazila in my mid twenties, and it made all

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the difference in the world to live in those countries

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and learn from them, and learn from their cultures and

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be expanded by them through those cultures. So you became

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a US citizen, I want to also celebrate that. How

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old were you when you became a citizen.

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I was nineteen years old when I became a US

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citizen nineteen or twenty. I was a third or fourth

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year student at UC Berkeley, where I was going to college.

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And you could get applied for citizenship five years after

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you have a perment, residence status or the Green Card.

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So we decided to my father said we're going to

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live here, our children will live here and become Americans.

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So we got to become a naturalized US citizen. So

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we took that we applied for citizenship, got past the test,

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and we received a naturalized citizen certificate around nineteen eighty two,

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when I was like twenty years old.

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So two follow on questions to that, what did it

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feel like to get that citizenship?

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It was, you know, I was I was excited to

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become an American and and I maintained my Korean heritage

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and the roots. But as my father told us, this

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is our new country, and so we're gonna live here,

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We're gonna have our children here, and and basically we

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need to put our roots down and and and become

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a productive and useful American citizen. And so I was

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very excited to to you know, become a US citizen.

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Alive on the Ride, even my soccer teammates in high school, uh,

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sort of teased me because of you know, the way

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realized that I am different even though I'm an American

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my life that that that difference is actually can be

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a strength because I am I have a sort of

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unique perspective being a Korean American who was also American

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No doubt about it, it gives you a strength, no doubt

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about You have a whole different perspective and lens on

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the world, and you understand the value of the resources,

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the opportunity in a way that others who grew up

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with it just take for granted, I think, right. The

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other thing I wanted to celebrate to is if it's

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okay with you, do you talk about a book. I'd

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like to honor your given name. You you took the

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name of Michael, because your given names church with him

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as well. Can we celebrate your given name?

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Absolutely? So? You know, my my Korean name min Jung

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I wanted to adopt a Western name. And since my

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Korean name Min started with M and I, I look

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for an American name that started with the same M

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and an I, and Michael seemed like a friendly name

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that was also a biblical name. And since I became

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a Christian after coming to America, I thought that archangel

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named Michael is it matches my Korean name spelling as

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well as has a good meaning as a leader in

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the heavenly realm. And so that's the name that I adopted,

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and I'm very happy with.

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It, wonderful. Just briefly here, wanted to celebrate too. You've

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written and it's also called It's in part in memoir,

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and I appreciate that you share that you had a

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marriage for ten years and then you moved on and

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you found Sonny. I know you have four for children.

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Celebrate that you you know, you got it all, and

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I really appreciate how you let us in and even

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also how you negotiate being able to take your motorcycle rides.

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you've got to do more around the house or you're

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going to do those rides. So we'll talk more about

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the rights after the break, but I want to give

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you a chance just to respond to how is it

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to be able to know that you've been able to

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build companies and come to the to America and have

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this beautiful family as well.

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of the lucky breaks and blessings that I've been able

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to enjoy in America and to be able to raise

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a beautiful family. And you know, I think that that

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that feeling of gratitude for what I have is very

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important to me. And I teach our children to be

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always positive and be thankful to be able to live

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in America, because there's no country like America that provides

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so much opportunity nowhere else in the world. And so

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you need to be grateful and be positive and be

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useful and contribute back to the society, you know. And

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that's that's been a consistent teaching that I received from

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my father and something that I'm teaching to my children.

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That's beautiful. Michael, let's set our listeners and viewers think

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about it a little bit. To be your heritage and

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what brought you here to the United States where we

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take our first break. Your host, doctor Releas Cortes, were

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there with Michael Yang, a Korean American entrepreneur, investor, and

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adventurer whose journey bridges to continents and tell us of

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a lifeline pursuit of meaning and his experience building, creating,

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and leading companies. During the birth of Silicon Valley's Internet Revolution.

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We've been talking a bit about his heritage and what

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it has taught him, what it's meant to him. After

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motorcycle travels. We'll be right back.

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now joining us. My guest is Michael Yang. He's the

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author of Coming Alive on the Ride, a memoir of

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motorcycle travel, self discovery and Korean heritage. So forty thousand

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miles is quite a bit to cover onto two wheels, Michael,

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I don't know where you might want to start, but

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here's that quote that I mentioned earlier, this idea from

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Mark Twain. It says travel is fatal to presudice bigotry.

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And narrow mindedness, and many of our people need it thoroughly.

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On these accounts, broad wholesome, charitable views of men and

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things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner

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on the earth all once lifetime. Here here, here's to travel.

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first read that, and so I decided to include that

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in my book. And it's largely from my own personal

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experience of traveling to some twenty different countries that I

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visited over my life. And you know, I think traveling

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is a gift, and I invite anybody to accept that gift,

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to be able to travel anywhere outside of their town,

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outside of their state, outside of their country, because it

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really and broadens you perspective, and I think makes makes

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you a better person and makes the world a better place.

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Completely one hundred percent agree. So I'm gonna admit very

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very openly to you and anybody else listening to this program. Michael,

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I was so jealous when I read in your book

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that you set out on a trip on May twenty third,

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twenty twenty. I'm like, why did I think of that?

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What a great idea. I was going nuts during the pandemic,

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and so you set off on a trip during the pandemic.

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was being locked down, and so you uh, it was

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a shelter in place that downtown LA was completely shut down.

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was it was kind of uncomfortable staying home every day

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and not be help us to go out, especially outdoor

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loving guy like me. And I had another best friend

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named Carl who lived up in Seattle, and so he

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and I had been going on motorcycle trips since nineteen

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ninety I'm sorry, twenty eighteen, and so he and I

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talked on the phone, and I mean, there was nothing

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restricting us going from going on a motorcycle trip. So

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we decided to go on a motorcycle travels through ten

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western states of the United States, and so we took

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that trip. We met up in Crescent City, California, which

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is a midpoint between LA where I live and Seattle,

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where Carl lives. So we met there and then we

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started going up to Washington to Idaho to Wyoming, Montana

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and circle the western part of America. And that was

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a great trip.

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I think if I got it, there was definitely a

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meditative element to it for you. I think you connect

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with nature through your travel, and there's something about, you know,

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planning the trip and stopping into the different cafes and

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places that you get food from that really seem to

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stimulate you.

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to ride motorcycle. But you know, it's different than driving

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a car or in an airplane because you're exposed to

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the element. You're not caged in by this metal or glass.

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you smell the air, you fill the rain and the heat,

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and so you need to be prepared.

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And when I'm on a motorcycle trip, I might be right,

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I reading three hundred to four hundred miles a day

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because these are long distance trips and I have when

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music through the bloodbooth has set in my helmet, or

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other times I was just kind of think about my

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life and kind of I look back and ask questions

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like how did I become so lucky to be able

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to enjoy this motorcycle travel across America? And answer to

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those questions that will take me back to the Silicon

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Valley where I was a founder of a tech startup

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that gotrect part for seven hundred million dollars during the

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first Internet boom in two thousand and then going back

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to you know, being an early maybe a young immigrant

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to this country as a fourteen year old, out of

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place teenager, and then growing up in Korea in the

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in the sixties and early seventies. So I realized that

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there is a story arc and that I that I had,

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so I wanted to tell my story, and that's why

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I wrote the book Coming Alive on the Ride, just

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based on that excitement that I was feeling while I

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was riding on a motorcycle.

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I really appreciate how you brought that to life for us.

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I don't write motorcycles. I have been on some, but

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I'm never really that's never been my thing to ride them.

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So I want to talk a little bit about the

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trip that you took from Los Angeles to Newfoundland. That

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was that was intense.

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It was. It was the longest trip that I have taken.

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It took me forty days to go from LA on

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the Pacific Ocean to the Saint John, Newfoundland on the

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Atlantic Ocean. That point there is a Cape Spear that

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is the easternmost point of North American continent. So from

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that point it's closer to Paris and London than it

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is to LA. And then you know, riding back to

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LA through the East coast, you know, Maine, Massachusetts, New York,

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down to Pennsylvania, Virginia, down to Mississippi, Louisiana, New Orleans,

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and then you know through the Texas Houston, Dolla, San Antonio,

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and then El Paso, and then riding through the Mexican

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side of the border through the Sonora Desert and back

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out to Arizona and back to LA. So it was

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an epic trip. And it was during that trip that

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I decided to write a book to share my story.

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So in some way it was transformative because when I

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decided to write a book, it sort of changed the

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trajectory of my life as from an entrepreneur to more

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of an explorer or adventurer and to a storyteller. And

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that sort of gives me a new purpose of my

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life to inspire people through storytelling.

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M h amen, percent, I'm in for that. And then

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let's just talk briefly. Then you did a solo trip

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to Alaska. That must have been interesting. You didn't have

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your sidekick, beautiful Karl with you, and let's rest his

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soul and honor him. I know he's not with us,

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right right.

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Yeah, So you know, I was joined by Karl for

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about two weeks of that forty day trip to Newfoundland,

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and the following year, I wanted to ride up to

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Prude Bay, Alaska, but Carl had a lot of work

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to do in Seattle as a lawyer, and so he

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unfortunately couldn't go, And so I decided to to make

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the trip up to Alaska on my motorcycle by myself.

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And it was an epic trip because you know, I

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think that solo traveled to Alaska was really another life changing,

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uh trip, because you know, you know, riding up to

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Prude Bel, Alaska, which is at the northern tip of

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North America right in the Arctic Ocean, and riding back

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home through the you know, the Alaska and British Columbia

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of Canada, and then back down to the West coast

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of the United States. Yeah, so it was. It gave

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me a lot of sense of accomplishment that I didn't

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feel before. I felt like I could take on a

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new challenge and successfully accomplish the goal of getting back

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home safely. And so it's you know, I've been on

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00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.359
this quest to travel all over the world on my

467
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:47.200
motorcycle and I sort of crossed off North America and

468
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.599
I also went down to Patagonia and South America in

469
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twenty twenty four. So this summer, I'm heading to Europe

470
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.880
and I am planning to ride through the northern Europe,

471
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:02.599
visiting about ten countries up to the nordkap and Norway,

472
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.839
which is the northernmost point of Europe. So yeah, it's uh,

473
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:12.599
it's an ongoing uh journey, uh to ride motorcycle all

474
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:13.279
over the world.

475
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.799
I love it, Michael, And let me share with you.

476
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As an organizational psychologist and as a logo therapist one

477
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:23.319
who helps organizations activate meaning in their in their cultures.

478
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:26.319
Part of what we do when we're working with organizations

479
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.599
is we encourage people to one talk about their passions

480
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.240
like you're talking about your motorcycle travel because just talking

481
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.640
about it, you're already tapping into a higher sense of energy,

482
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.200
which then becomes infectious to people around around you. And

483
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:44.359
then two, encouraging your team to pursue what they're passionate about,

484
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.599
both inside the organization and outside, because you're elevating that

485
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.440
whole life force of energy. And so that's what I

486
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.799
see in you is and that's how you know you.

487
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.519
It spills over into into how you build your companies,

488
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.839
how you how you are a husband and a father,

489
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.720
and so this is the gusto piece that we're out

490
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.559
to help organize or organizations also find and activate.

491
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:12.880
So right, yeah, I think it's it's great to find

492
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:17.039
passion in your work, but also find passion outside of

493
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:17.759
your work.

494
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:22.240
Absolutely because there a lot of times very complimentary Exactly

495
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.160
once you are pursuing your passion outside, then you make

496
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:31.480
a more productive employee at a company because you've had

497
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:37.240
your feel of you know, satisfaction and and and so anyway,

498
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.279
that's kind of what I encourage, you know, I encourage

499
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:42.640
people to be good at what they do at work,

500
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.319
but also pursue their per passion and adventure outside.

501
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.480
Of work because it will make them better one hundred

502
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.079
percent and then that beautiful elevated energy comes back to

503
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:55.000
work just as you were saying, so beautiful. I couldn't

504
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:56.920
let you go without a celebrating that because it's such

505
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:58.960
a core part of what we do to help organizations

506
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.359
as well, and you are living, walking, breathing example of

507
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.880
that literally. So let's grab our first break, Michael, our

508
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:08.799
second break. Actually, I'm your host, Doctor Releasee Cortez. We've

509
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:10.559
go on the air with Michael Yang. He's a Korean

510
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.839
American entrepreneur, investor, and adventurer whose journey bridges to continents

511
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.039
and tells of a lifelong pursuit of meaning and his

512
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.400
experience building, creating, and leading companies during the birth of

513
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.799
Silicon Valley's Internet revolution. We've been talking in this segment

514
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:26.519
about his travels and what they meant to him and

515
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.759
how they fueled him and where he's going next. And

516
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:31.599
this last break, when we come back, we're going to

517
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.880
hear about some of his entrepreneurial efforts and what they

518
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:36.920
yielded in his life and what we can learn from

519
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:38.480
those things. We'll be right back.

520
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:58.160
Doctor Elise Cortez as a management consultant specializing in meaning

521
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:02.039
and purpose, an inspirational speaker and author. She helps companies

522
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.920
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired

523
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.960
leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and

524
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.240
commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite

525
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:16.000
a lease to speak to your organization, please visit her

526
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.319
at elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about how to get

527
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:28.119
your employees working on purpose. This is Working on Purpose

528
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.519
with doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today or

529
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.319
to open a conversation with Elise, send an email to

530
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:39.920
Alise A Lisee at elisecortes dot com. Now back to

531
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:41.160
working on Purpose.

532
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.440
Okay, So, Michael, I really want to hear about your

533
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:55.240
entrepreneurial pursuits. They're so inspiring, and I want to start

534
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.400
by situating that. As I mentioned at the beginning of

535
00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.319
the show, I'm sitting here in the campus of the

536
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.599
University of Texts, SIT Dallas, and where am I. I'm

537
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.039
in a school of innovation. I stepped out of a

538
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.640
group that I was helping to be part of to

539
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.519
mentor these are all students I want to pursue entrepreneurship

540
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.079
and innovation. So of course, when I come back in

541
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:14.759
there after the show, They're going to want to know

542
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.359
what I talked to about you with you, okay, So

543
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.279
I want to help you got to give me some pearls.

544
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.279
So so first let's start here. You you talk about

545
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.319
having an internship with your uncle Phillips company at TeleVideo

546
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.359
and what a transformative experience that was. So let's just

547
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.160
we'll sketch a few of your early experiences that helped

548
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.480
form you. But maybe we can start with that one.

549
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.920
Okay, Yes, So you know I was fit. In hindsight,

550
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:44.119
I was very lucky and very blessed to be able

551
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:49.559
to arrive in America in this town of San Jose, California,

552
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:54.559
that was the hotbed of technologic innovation in the in

553
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:58.680
the whole world. Actually, Apple Computer was a very small,

554
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.039
you know, startup, founded by two Sieves in a garage

555
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.720
in San Jose in nineteen seventy six, which is the

556
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:13.000
year that I arrived there. And I was very interested

557
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:18.159
and inspired by all the technological innovation that was going

558
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:23.840
on in Silicon Valley. See you jobs, there's an Intel

559
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:27.880
and many other software and computer companies that were founded

560
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.840
right within ten twenty mile radius of where I was living.

561
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:38.960
And I decided to measure in electrical engineering computer science

562
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:42.599
as my major in college. So because I had I

563
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:47.559
developed an interest in becoming a tech entrepreneur and I

564
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.639
wanted to learn more about the technology so that I

565
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.400
would have some knowledge of that industry. And in nineteen

566
00:34:54.480 --> 00:35:01.039
eighty that was the era where the personal computer had

567
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:04.480
just come out, and there was a major sort of

568
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:09.880
industry transformation taking place because before then it was all

569
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.760
mainframe computer, these massive computer that was inside these big buildings.

570
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:18.239
They cost millions of dollars. But personal computer was this

571
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.039
very small computer that you could sit on a desktop

572
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.199
and you pay a few thousand dollars and then you

573
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.920
could use, you know, use it to do spreadsheet calculation

574
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.360
or work processing or other things that cannot be done before.

575
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.960
And so my uncle, who was also electrical engineer, started

576
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:43.440
a computer terminal company called TeleVideo, and because I was

577
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.280
measuring an electrical engineer computer science at Berkeley, he lent

578
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.360
me work at TeleVideo over the over the summer, over

579
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.639
the two summers in eighty and eighty one, I'm sorry

580
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.199
eighty one and eighty two while I was student, so

581
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:04.599
working on TeleVideo alongside these brilliant engineers designing these personal

582
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:10.559
computers and computer terminals. Gave me a really front seat

583
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:13.880
to all the technological innovation that was going on. And so,

584
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.599
you know, whether it's the set, you know, the semiconductor chips,

585
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:23.239
or the computer display, or hard disk storage or random

586
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.239
access memory, all these things I learned while I was

587
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:31.320
interning there, and later on, after I graduated from college

588
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:34.599
and graduate school, I was able to get a job

589
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:39.239
and the knowledge that I gained in my internship at

590
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.159
my uncle's company later eventually it gave me the sort

591
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.719
of the training and the underpinning to start my own

592
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.440
tech startup company in the dot com era in nineteen

593
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:51.000
ninety eight.

594
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.679
Well, before we get to that as well, a couple

595
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:56.880
of the things I want to celebrate about your story

596
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.280
is then here you are, you're a college student, and

597
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.000
you realize there is a business opportunity, and so you

598
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.760
start your first business while you're in college, and it

599
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.960
actually got big enough and demanding enough that you went, oh, oh,

600
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.239
if I continue this, I'm probably not going to finish

601
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.039
my studies at least on the timeline that I want.

602
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.679
So can you share a bit about what was the business?

603
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:21.880
Yeah, so, you know, when I was like a third

604
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:25.800
or fourth year student at Berkeley, I came upon this

605
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:32.639
bruch sure at engineering building a bulletin board. It said

606
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:39.480
a computer terminal for sale for like twelve hundred dollars.

607
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.360
And I knew that I could purchase that terminal for

608
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.480
like around five hundred dollars, and I could sell it

609
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.559
at nine dollars and generate a good profit and sell

610
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.400
it cheaper than the other company that was selling it

611
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:03.719
for twelve hundred. And so I started a business while

612
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:09.960
I was in college, selling computer terminals to students and professors.

613
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:14.159
And the business went well first few months, and I

614
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:18.920
sold you know, eight or ten terminals and made thousands

615
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.679
of dollars. And I got a little scared because if

616
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.360
I get the taste of money and profit, I may

617
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.440
neglect my studies and never finished college. But you know,

618
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:33.039
my parents would get upset at me, and I personally

619
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:36.199
wanted to finish my degree, and so I decided to

620
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.719
stop that business so I could, you know, concentrate on

621
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.719
studying to finish my degree and so. But there was

622
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.559
a very valuable experience in studying my own company while

623
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:48.239
I was in the school.

624
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.159
You had a mind for business. You saw an opportunity

625
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.719
and you fulfilled it. It's beautiful, Okay. So now fast forward,

626
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.239
you're graduating from college here and you're interviewing with big

627
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.800
tech companies Xerox, IBM, Nitrel to them, and you end

628
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.079
up going to work for Xerox.

629
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:07.639
Yes, my So, after I graduated from Berkeley, I decided

630
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.000
to pursue master's degree in computer science and I was

631
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.159
lucky to get into Columbia University in New York. And

632
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.079
after I finished my master's degree, I interviewed for a

633
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.320
different company at different companies, and I got a job

634
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:26.320
offer from Xerox Corporation at their Palo Alto Research Center,

635
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.400
which is very close to where my parents were living

636
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.880
at the time. So I decided to accept that offer

637
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:36.440
and move back home with my parents and start working there.

638
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:41.400
And there was another great experience to learn about all

639
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:47.320
these personal computer innovations like graphical user interface mouse, you know,

640
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:51.400
controlling the cursor on the screen using a mouse device,

641
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:56.079
connecting computers through the internet which later becomes Internet. So

642
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:00.400
it was tremendous learning. But Xerox never really became a

643
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.960
successful computer supplier, and so I got I got restless

644
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.039
in working in that kind of a research environment. I

645
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.480
wanted more action in the in the marketplace, competing and succeeding.

646
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:16.519
So I resigned there and I started my own satellite

647
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.639
television business, which didn't quite work out, and so I worked.

648
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:25.280
I joined another company and worked in like sales support

649
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.840
and marketing, which gave me valuable experience in the in

650
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.800
the sales and marketing side of the business, which proved

651
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.280
to be very valuable when I was starting my own

652
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:36.000
company later.

653
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.239
Yeah, and then you know, yes, you learned a ton

654
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.159
as the CEO of Jazz, right, there were so many

655
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.440
experiences there that were incredible life lessons.

656
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:55.320
Yeah. So Jazz was this uh PC graphics card manufacturer.

657
00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:01.920
We made PC graphics card for PC that allowed customers

658
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.599
to do three D graphics on the computer, three D

659
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.280
gaming on computers.

660
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:09.199
And I.

661
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.119
Had a chance to run this company, small startup, so

662
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:17.960
I jumped at the chance and ran it for three years. Ultimately,

663
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.719
the business did not fan out, and I was very

664
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:28.280
stressed out because it didn't succeed, and I was out

665
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.840
on the street looking for a job. And that was

666
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.880
the time when Internet was really booming and taking off,

667
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.039
and I thought the browser was really going to change

668
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.920
the world, and I came upon an idea to start

669
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.760
an online price comparison shopping site that became my Assignment

670
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.920
dot com. And we started the company with twenty five

671
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:52.320
thousand dollars of money that I had saved, and within

672
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.199
two years we raised thirty million dollars in venture capital.

673
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.679
And in two thousand, we're getting ready to do an

674
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.840
IPO on the NASA stock market when c Net approached

675
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.280
US for an acquisition and they acquired US for seven

676
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.920
hundred million dollars in stock swap deal. And so that

677
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.360
was just a great exit, great timing. Now see net

678
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.679
stock that we got as part of the consideration for

679
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:23.599
the acquisition. Uh, you know, it dropped in price significantly

680
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:26.400
when the dot com bubble burst, but still it was

681
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:31.239
an unbelievable opportunity to start a company and and you know,

682
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:38.039
really become financially independent after we sell the company.

683
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.039
For just a couple of years. You were just it

684
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:41.960
was just it was a two year refort.

685
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:46.239
In I was exactly, it was. It was amazing. It's

686
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.480
kind of like how AI is today. AI is booming

687
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.559
right now, and there's so much like venture capital investment

688
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.159
that's going in and hundreds of billions of dollars are

689
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.320
invested in venture capital and then building out these data

690
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.199
centers all of the country. So it was like that

691
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.239
back then when the internet was a new thing, and

692
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.679
I was lucky to be at the right place at

693
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.760
the right time, with the right idea, and we worked

694
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:15.400
super hard to grow the business. We got up to

695
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.800
millions of users per month, which was an important metrics,

696
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.559
and then that's when CNAT came to acquire us.

697
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.079
And on top of that, one of the other things

698
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.239
that really applaud Michael, which is one of the great

699
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:31.280
things about starting a business, bringing on the early people

700
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.480
who help you build it and rewarding them for it,

701
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:37.960
is you know, your employees also became millionaires and how

702
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.199
many and of course your investors did well too, So

703
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:42.599
there's just so much to celebrate in what you were

704
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:44.360
all able to accomplish together.

705
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:50.400
Right, you know. I mean the stock is one of

706
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.400
the greatest inventions because you could have multiple owners of

707
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:59.559
a company and you could grant stock to employees as

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an intive for them to work extra hard to build

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the company up and make it successful because they would

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have piece of the action or the equity, so that

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once the company goes public or gets acquired, then they

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will come into a nice fortune on their own.

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So I know today you are an investor and you

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use your time in various different ways. I would be

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very interested to know about your take on where we

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are with the AI introduction from an investment advantage point.

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Right. So I've been following the AI technology for the

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last ten years since you know, Nvidia's chip is used

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for AI training models as well as you know open

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ai and Entropic and many other leading companies. Who's general

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develop developing this general of AI that is world changing? Yes,

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so I have I have invested in disruptive companies all

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through my career over the last thirty years, and I

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saw that n Videos is the latest disruptive company in AI.

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So yeah, I think there would be many winners going forward.

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And I don't know exactly you know who, but you know,

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Anthropic is looking like it's becoming a leader now over

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open ai, and there are other companies that are that

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are coming up. So I think it's AI will continue

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to be very disruptive over the next five to ten years.

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And I think everybody should be learning as much about

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AI technology as they can for their job opportunities, or

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for their to make their work more productive, or for

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investments so that they could catch some of the upside

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that will be offered through this huge industry growth.

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And then just briefly, do you think that you know,

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I remember when the when the Internet really was really

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heavy in the late nineteen nineties and such, and that

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was that was a huge game changer. Do you think

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that the Internet introduction is the similar kind of technological

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disruption as AI or do you think AI is a

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whole other level.

743
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So it kind of builds on the previous innovations. So

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first there was the industrial revolution with invention of steam engine.

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Then that was sort of the electric revolution with invention

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of electricity thanks to Tesla, And then there was intervention

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of computers and the personal computers and the Internet and

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the mobile and now the AI. I would say that

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AI is even bigger than Internet.

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That's what I think too.

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Yeah, But like I said, it's sort of built on

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layers of innovations before. It's just that now we're talking

753
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about intelligence, which is pretty universal. Just like you know,

754
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electricity or or watts or wattage is important. Uh, the

755
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the the intelligence represented by what's called tokens is a

756
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very very important unit of intelligence that sees that that's

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just going to get generated more and more to the

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scale that's really unbelievable. And so I think that AI

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is definitely, maybe orders of magnitude bigger than Internet, and

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it will be very disruptive.

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Right to completely agree. So let me give you a

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chance to close this conversation as you like, Michael, this

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shows lit by people around the world who are out

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to better themselves as humans, as leaders that want to

765
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learn more about how to create conscious organizations, conscious capitalist organizations.

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What would you like to leave them with?

767
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Yeah, so I would encourage the business leaders to embrace

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the adventures both at work and outside of their work.

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And you know, in my case, I found more meaning

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of my life through pursuing my adventures of motorcycle travel.

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But it could be very different for other people. And

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so I would just encourage all the leaders out there

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to not be afraid to embrace the adventure and take

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some risks, because without risk, there isn't much reward. And

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so yeah, do that both in and outside of your work,

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and I think you will become a more effective leader.

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Michael. It has spent a complete joy and privilege to

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know you, to read your book and have you on

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to share with my listeners and viewers. Thank you for

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coming on working on purpose.

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Thank you so much.

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Listeners and viewers, You're going to want to learn more

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about Michael Yang, his book Coming Alive on the Ride,

784
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and his various pursuits in the world of work. You

785
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can find him by visiting Michael Yang dot com. So

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that's Michael y anng dot com. He also you can

787
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also find him on Facebook and LinkedIn various other places

788
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as well. Last week I give us the live show

789
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you can always catch it be recorded podcast. We were

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on the air with Beth Wanner, the founder and CEO

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of mother Cover and agency offering interim and fractional coverage

792
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for parental and other forms of leave. We talked about

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the problem of family planning and parental leave, the views

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and opportunity for both the employee and the company. Very

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very illuminated and exciting that what we can actually do here.

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Next week we'll be on the air. We'll be on

797
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the air with Justin High talking about his new book

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Stress Nation, Escape the Technology Trap, Eliminate Stress and Reclaim Rest.

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He'll be sharing why people constantly feel tired, lonely, anxious,

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disconnected and and well, explaining in both humorous end pointing

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at pros how the technology that we're supposed to make

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our lives easier is actually one of the leading causes

803
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of chronic stress, just regular cortisol and dangerously inadequate sleep,

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and what we can do about it. So see you again,

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and let's continue to lean in and discover how to

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elevate your operating system as a leader and create destination

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workplaces where legendary business takes place. Let's work on Purpose.

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We hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure to

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tune into Working on Purpose featuring your host, doctor Elise Cortes,

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each week on W four C. Why Together we'll create

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a world where business operates conscientiously, leadership inspires and passion performance,

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and employees are fulfilled in work that provides the meaning

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and purpose they crave. See you there, Let's work on Purpose.

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