Feb. 24, 2026

Henry David Thoreau on Business: Radical Simplicity for Complex Times

Henry David Thoreau on Business: Radical Simplicity for Complex Times
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Henry David Thoreau is often remembered as a writer, environmentalist, thinker, surveyor and activist. A closer, more appreciative look also reveals his creative and eclectic thought leadership and contributions to business operations and leadership. What can we learn from the man who spent two years in a small cabin on Walden Pond in 1845 to live deliberately, seek simplicity, and explore self-reliance?

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With us today, we have Ken Lazott.

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He is the founder and CEO of Emerson Consulting Group,

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a consulting firm helping establish thought, leadership and professionals of

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all types. He's the author eight books and the editor

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of two more. We'll be talking about his book Walden

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for Hire. Business Lessons from Henry David Threau. Specifically, we'll

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talk about his vast work experience in philosophy of work

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and life, his work as an entrepreneur and inventor in

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his family pencil business, and the school he founded, all

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of which give us a fresh perspective on business today.

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He joined it today from Concord, Massachusetts, the hometown of

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Henry David Thureau, where he lives just a femile shy

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of Walden pond Ken. Welcome to working on purpose.

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Wow, well, thank you for inviting me to be on

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what we're working on purpose?

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Most welcome, and let us celebrate this wonderful creation you

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brought into the world.

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Shall we look at this?

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Yeah, it looks a lot like that one.

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I have to correct you in one thing in my biome.

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Oh please, here is you Let everybody know that I

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live in Concord, Massachusetts. But I don't live in Concord, Massachusetts.

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I live in Concord, Massachusetts. Concuss you say it around.

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You concent Okay, I thank you for a very important correction.

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Corrected.

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Okay, Another big university there here is Habit.

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Have it? Yeah, have it.

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I'll work on my a's right.

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Good good good?

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Okay.

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So here we are already celebrating Henry David Throw and

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Walden Pond. We kind of start by orient our listeners

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and viewers as to why in the heck that you

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were so drawn to researching Hindry David Throw. I mean,

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I realized, he's You're in his neighborhood, you're in his backyard.

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But beyond that, well, I moved to Conquered about thirty

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years ago. Okay, I honestly didn't know that much about

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Henry back then, but when you live here, you learn

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about him and Dribs and Drabs. You learn about Louisa

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may Alcott and Dribs and Drabs, Ralph Waldo Emerson or on,

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all these people that were all hanging out together back

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in the mid eighteen hundred and so you learn a

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little bit. What really happened with me is that I

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got asked to become a part of the thorough Farm

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birthplace house, a place where Henry was born, and that's

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the Aeron conk It and I was asked to be

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on the board of directors. And it was at a

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time in my life when it felt like the right

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thing to do, so I immediately said yes and started going

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to meetings, but not necessarily understanding much about Henry David

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Thurrow himself.

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Again, it sort of.

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Drips in drabs until what really happened is I became

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president at one point, and I was president ended up

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being a president of the board for ten years. And

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so you learn more and more and more. But my

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day job, my company, h Emerson Consulting Group, helps business

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experts today become published thought leaders and and their business

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is my specialty to work with. So I I have

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the business on my mind during the day and at night.

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Once once a week or once a month, I would

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go to these meetings where it's it's not business at all,

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it's about Henry this and Henry that, Henry environmentalism, and

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Henry the writer, and Henry the uh the saunterer around

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Walden Woods and all these kinds of things. And one

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day it just snapped. Something happened. I just soned because

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because I would see these various authors come and go

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and talk about their new book and you know, learn

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about it's always this. I don't mean to say they're

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mundane themes, but they would They tended to repeat themselves

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and the nature ecology writing and like that, and something

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happened where I said, wait a minute, what about business.

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I'm thinking about business all day long? What about Henry

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and business? And it got me thinking that I should

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look into it. And the more I did, the more

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I found again dribs and drabs of Henry relating to business.

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So I'm sitting at.

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The Thorough farm House one day and there are a

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couple of people that I've been working with on the

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board for a few years who knew a lot about

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Thorough and I said to them, you know, I've been

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thinking about writing a book about Henry as a business expert.

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And their first instinct, both of them very knowledgeable people,

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is to sort of laugh.

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At that, and it had to be laughter.

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Young, yeah, yeah, And I thought that was interesting.

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It just made me more interested to pursue this. So

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I started to do some research and it really didn't

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take long for me to realize that I was really

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onto something. There's never has been a book on this

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theme Henry David Thurrow as a business expert. In one

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hundred and seventy plus years since he left this earth,

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so many thousands of essays and so many thousands of

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books have been written about him, but none of them

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had the laser focused theme of him as a business expert.

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And it took me a while to do this, to

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research it at all.

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But you know, as you and I just proved everybody,

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that's a book and there's a lot in there. And

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I covered eighteen chapters with Henry as a business expert.

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So that's that's how it all came about it.

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Well, that's it.

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You've inspired me to write my next book, and it's

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going to have to be on what we can learn

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from Garfield, the cartoon character on inspiration.

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Right, that's where it has to be next. You've just

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inspired me.

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I got the subtitle Moments of Inspiration from Garfield.

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Well I love it? Right, isn't this fun?

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Oh?

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See?

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You wonder why I keep hosting the show after all

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these eleven years?

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Right?

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I just have these kinds of conversations. Well, just quickly,

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for our listeners and viewers who haven't read your book

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and don't know throw I call him Threau.

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You're calling him thorough.

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Yeah, I should say something about that.

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Yes, please.

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He actually born David Henry Threau, and as he guided

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I don't know how, maybe late late teens or early twenties.

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For some reason, he.

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Decided he wanted to switch the first two names, not

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David Henry, but Henry David. And then as he got

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thinking about his last name, he liked that sort of

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French pronunciation better.

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Thorough rather than.

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Good.

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This is so good.

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And most people don't know that.

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I didn't know it, so you know a long time, uh,

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and it's Henry David thorow.

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Okay, thorough well.

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So I also was dazzled by just the sheer quantities

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different kinds of work that he had done in his life.

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And you could just kind of give us a short

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tour or at least legals of what he did. I

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don't want to spend a lot of time on that,

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but just come to give us a breadth of the

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stuff this man was up to.

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Well, one of the things that in the book is

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that the chapters. I break the chapters up into these

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various jobs, and you do.

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I think it's delightful, and it's easier for me to

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go to the pole of contents and.

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And read through them quickly. I can find it now.

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Of course I can't with him on on camera.

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I can't.

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But yeah, no, I've got the page and just for

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me to scan it myself. He was of course, he

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was a builder. People know about his cabin the shores

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of Walden Ponds and that. Uh. And he also helped

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other people that he knew and conquered too to build.

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Things or you know, renovate the houses and that sort

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of thing.

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He was a farmer.

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He was a farmer because he didn't own that land

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that he was on. Ralph Emerson was a mentor of

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his and Waldo as he was called was uh uh

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had owned the land and made a deal with Henry

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that if Henry would start guards yes, yeah, that he

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would give the beans to Waldo for his family, and

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some of them he could keep to himself for his

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own family whatever.

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But that was part of his deal there. So he

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was a farmer.

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And in farming he was always inventing new ways to

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go about things that farmers had done for you know,

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centuries eons, and he was always looking to see how

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could he improve on it. And he was actually able

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to improve in a sort of a minor way.

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You know.

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It wasn't a big farm, but a few acres he

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would have he would have enough for Waldo his family.

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He would have enough for his own family. Both of

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them are five six, seven people in each family, and

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then for himself. And then there's some leftover, I mean

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the take the ones that were left over. And he

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went to the market in the center of Conquered, like

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a lot of the farmers did, and he just set

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up shopping and.

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And sold what he had left over.

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He claimed that he was making more money profit wise,

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profit ratio than the farmers that had been there for

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a long time.

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And this is one of the things.

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They have to take his word for it because there

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isn't a lot of documentation otherwise. But farming was another thing.

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And then just really quickly he was a surveyor, and

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he became the chief surveyor of Conquered after a number

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of years. Moving how great he was. He was a

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public speaker, he was a scientist, naturalist, he was a inventor.

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Waiving this pencil, yes, the pencil.

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they didn't necessarily write, or they didn't write consistently, and

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they get all over your hands and leak down a page,

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and there are all kinds of problems. And yet people

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which produced good pencils and did well, but again the

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kind that I just described, he said, this's got to

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found that in Europe pencil makers did things differently, and

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they did it in such a way that their pencils

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were very reliable. So by looking at that, he brought

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the recipe for the lid mixture inside a pencil, and

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a contraption that would create this lidden dust that was

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very fine and would float in the air and come

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down where he needed to capture it in anyway. Long

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story short, reinvented the pencil, and it's the same pencil.

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This is the same approach that we use today. So

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Was important to him too, you know, in a way,

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this book is sort of a his journey toward having.

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A dream career manifest itself.

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he was very good at being a poet, and he

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was very passionate about it. But then, like now, poets

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He would write his poems and submit them and sometimes

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they'd get published, sometimes they didn't.

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dream career in writing and writing books and was the

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Thanks for staying with us, and welcome back to working

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Kendl Resot. He is the author of eight books and

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the editor of another two. Today we're talking about his

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book Walden for Hire. Business Lessons from Henry David Threw.

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Before we get into a little bit of his work here,

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I would be remiss if we didn't just sort of

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remind our listeners and viewers a passage that he's incredibly

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known for. So I'd love to read it from your book.

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So this is where you're helping us. Remember Henry's own

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reasoning for camping out for two years, two months in

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two days on the tranquil shores nearby Walden Pond. You

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quote him as saying, I went to the woods because

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I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential

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facts of life, and see if I could not learn

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what it had to teach and not when I came

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to die discovered that I had not lived. I did

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not wish to live what was not life living in

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so dear, maybe dire, Nor did I wish to practice

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there was resignation unless it was quite necessary. I wanted

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to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life,

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to live so sturdily and spartan like as to put

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to route all that was not life, to cut a

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broad swap and shave close, to drive life into a

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corner and reduce it to its lowest terms. That is

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just so powerful.

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lot of field uh frequently.

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And that's where another famous quote of is the massive

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men lead lives of quiet, desperate.

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And that's something that he never wanted to do.

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When he did everything he could to prevent that from happening.

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But he was so critical and sad early in a

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way that wherever you would look, and he would see

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people around him, right right here in this town that

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they they were spending This is going to sound familiar

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to a lot of people, but that they were sent

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they spending so much time on a job that they

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didn't particularly particularly love. And uh, but why they do it?

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Because they had bills to pay, mortgages to pay. You

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have car payments. You know, you have to take your

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dog to the vet. You know all these things. And

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Henry said in the very beginning of his book Walden

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that people should pay attention to what he called the

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necessaries of life, not the necessities.

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He didn't use that word for whatever reason. Necessaries.

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And those were things like what are the things that

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we can that are necessary? And they were pretty basic,

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you know they were. They were food, of course, and

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Warmth. Warmth was a big one.

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kind of interesting because not only did he mean the

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warmth of the heating system, like in his cabin he

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had a stove, a wood stove, but the h but clothing,

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for example, he considered the clothing was unnecessary for the

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warmth as much as anything else. How basic can you

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be so that you're not having to have all these

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bills that are eating you up? And that are they

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seem so important? But in fact he has an other quote,

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and I don't know if I can remember precisely, but

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it had to do with the idea that a person

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is successful uh in in in in verse ratio to

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the things that they can let go or behind or

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or not not basically not be enslaved too.

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I remember that I really appreciate that. To bring that

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whole idea of more of the necessities and left to

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modern day, I saw a delightful uh clip on LinkedIn

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that somebody had written up and this woman was writing

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about how, you know, with all this inflation that she

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needed to start cutting corners and you know, you know,

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chopping things off off off the budget. She said she

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was sitting around with her family one night watching TV

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and the kids went to turn the TV on which

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to go over their favorite channel and wasn't working, and

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and there and and their mom said, well I can't,

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and so basically said okay. They went to go to

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the next channel and the same thing, it wasn't working.

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To look to get it, hirsh like, I canceled that.

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And so then by the third time that they had

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got to a channel that she had canceled for kids

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turned her and said, are you dying?

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It was just so funny, though, it's just this idea

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that he's talking about those kinds of things. And today,

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of course we're talking about canceling, you know, TV channels.

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Basically it's down to a more necessary subsistence.

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You know, Henry never watched cable TV. He had no

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interest in it.

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I suppose not. Yeah, I think about it.

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Back then, no radio, no this, no zoom, no.

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And to put that into context.

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We're talking about when he lived on while upon that

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was eighteen forty five. So it's important for listeners and

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viewers to recognize just the period we're talking about here.

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It's it's just amazing what.

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He did right and all the more so here's another

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fascinating thing that I loved about your book. Can I

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didn't know that the man went to Harvard habbid So

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after graduating from Harvard, he lands this teaching job.

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And it's in the time.

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Period, five hundred dollars a year was considered a lot

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of money and he's like hit the jackpot. So tell

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the story about how what was that experience? And it

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didn't last long? So help us understand what happened there.

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Well, Henry, Henry went into this job. First of all,

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he was out just out of college, out of Harvard,

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and there was a depression at that time, in economic depression,

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which back in those days they called a panic.

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I wonder what, why why do we have that word?

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By the way, as as that goes, But the.

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Panic of eighteen thirty seven, he was he was graduated

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and there were no jobs, so he was looking for one,

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but he couldn't find one, and he couldn't get an

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offer or anything, and then lo and behold somebody who

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knew somebody in Concer said, you know, we're looking for

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somebody to teach an elementary school here, and I think

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you'd be good for it, and he recommended Henry for

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the job, and he got the job. Now he's only

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out of college maybe a few months, and he's suddenly

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got a job where other people, you know, looking hard

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for a job not getting anywhere.

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So he takes the job.

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One of the things he was happy about was that

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there had been a decision and conquered that they would

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do away with what most schools use for discipline, and

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that's corporal punishment. They would not he would not have

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to do that as a teacher. That was very important

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to Henry. So he took the job and he did

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the best he could to learn. I don't know if

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how many teachers we have out there, but I was

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a substitute teacher for like three or four days early

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in my life, because what am I doing here?

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This is just it's.

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Keeping everybody quiet rather than really teaching. And I think

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that Henry had the same experience. He had a little

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bit of an unruly classroom at times. So one day

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the head of the school committee in Conquered came to

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sit in the back of the room and see how

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you was doing. And they were watching this kind of

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craziness that went on, which Henry was able to handle

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by the way he could see it as that as

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being a creativity experiment, let's say. And anyway, this school

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committee had said, no, you can't do that. You've got

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to do something here. This is not the way to

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keep kids in line, and so you're going to have

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to start slapping them on the wrist or the hand,

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even even though that was not the official policy, and

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that just Henry just didn't couldn't believe that he was

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being asked to do this, and he got so upset

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with it. He did it to a couple of the kids,

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00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.839
wrapped them on the wrist and then knuckles or whatever,

477
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:29.039
and sent them back to their seats in their chairs, crying.

478
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:32.319
But he just it was it didn't sit with him.

479
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:36.000
It wasn't He didn't feel like he could keep doing it.

480
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:39.119
So the very same day, after school was out, he

481
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.240
went to the uh this superintendent's office and said, I

482
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:48.839
quit ten days. Ten days, Yeah, right then and there

483
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.079
that that was going over the line for him.

484
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:54.920
He didn't. He couldn't, he couldn't buy it.

485
00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:01.519
In the end, he ended up not not getting another

486
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:07.079
teaching job where he was going to be having to

487
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.759
live day by day by someone else's rules. But he

488
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.839
did become a teacher again when he and his brother

489
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:19.079
founded a private school in Concrete.

490
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.359
Before you go into that next school, I want to

491
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:23.640
emphasize a couple of lessons out of that because I

492
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.359
wanted to speak separately about that school. That what I

493
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:28.039
took to be out of the lessons and you sort

494
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.519
of do talk about in your book too, is you know,

495
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.480
the lesson from him leaving that very very very high paying,

496
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.880
lucrative job that suited his what he wanted to do,

497
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.079
et cetera in the world was he did not want

498
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.400
to leave his morals behind. He was not willing to

499
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.880
set aside his morals for a big pot of money.

500
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:50.799
And I have met many people over my lifetime who

501
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.559
have sold their soul for the pot of money.

502
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.160
And so I really appreciated that he stuck to that.

503
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:58.079
I just wanted to really celebrate that before we talk

504
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:01.799
about the academy piece, because him starting the academy I

505
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.559
thought was such a in the way you describe it

506
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.839
in your book, such a like a vindication of all

507
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:08.119
of that.

508
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.720
So beautiful what they did. So now please you know.

509
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.119
The old expression of one door closes, another one opens

510
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.920
right right, And that's kind of what happened there. He

511
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.119
didn't just walk right into that idea. That took a

512
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.720
little while for it at the fument in his brain.

513
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.559
But he did like kids.

514
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.519
See one thing about him is he really did. He

515
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.039
never got married and never had kids of his own,

516
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.799
but he really did like children, and he could relate

517
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.160
to them and play with them, and teach them and

518
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.400
inspire them and all of that. So he had this

519
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.000
idea about starting his own school, and so he did.

520
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:49.319
And there were some prominent people in Conquered who appreciated

521
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.440
who Henry was and what they thought he might accomplish

522
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.519
in this regard, and they sent their own kids to

523
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.960
go and be part of the school. And so it

524
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.160
started to fill up. And and what he did there

525
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:06.920
was not it wasn't so much learning by wrote or

526
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.960
just the three hours and and uh or when he

527
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.200
was at Harvard. You know, back in those days, when

528
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.079
you were in college, you were spending most of your

529
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:23.559
time learning other languages Italian and French and Spanish, et cetera.

530
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:30.799
But anyway he started, Uh, he created his own curriculum,

531
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.480
and his curriculum had to do with There was some

532
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.839
of the the reading, writing, arithmetic type of thing, but

533
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.000
half of the day was very often spent doing what

534
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.960
he loved to do in particular, and that's uh trekking

535
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:49.880
down to Walden Pond and through the woods there that

536
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:51.720
we call the Walden Woods.

537
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.000
Uh and uh and and.

538
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:58.559
Stopping with with with the kids and saying, anybody, what

539
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.200
do you see right here? And they would see certain

540
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:04.559
flowers or certain plants or whatever, and he say, anybody

541
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:05.519
see an arrowhead?

542
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.200
And he would and they look, they don't see an arrowhead.

543
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.680
And he say, it was almost like a magic trick.

544
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.359
It's sort of like stoop down and pull up an

545
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:17.279
arrowhead from beneath the earth.

546
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:20.079
And he's very good at that sort of thing.

547
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.000
But the idea was to get in touch with nature,

548
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:28.599
learn about nature, see the benefits of being in nature,

549
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:33.519
you know, health benefits as well as inspirational benefits. And

550
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:39.880
he literally for his own sake, would wander around the

551
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:44.920
woods many days of the week for a full half

552
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.480
day for four hours or something. When we all go hiking,

553
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:51.599
most of us we might go for like a half

554
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:52.880
an hour or forty minutes.

555
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:54.920
So call it really good.

556
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.279
He literally went for four hours and just what call

557
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:04.039
saunter word adoring around the world of woods.

558
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.039
Hang on for this because I want to do a

559
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:07.319
little more diving into this part.

560
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:07.559
Ken.

561
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.200
There's a few things about what he did at the

562
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:12.759
academy that I want to extract for our listeners and viewers.

563
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.119
So let's grab our last break and then we'll keep

564
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.079
talking about his his academy. I'm your host, Doctor Earlie's Cortes,

565
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.680
who are on the earth, Ken Lasot. He's the founder

566
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:25.400
and CEO of Emerson Consulting Group, consulting firm helping establish

567
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.559
thought leadership to professionals of all types. We've been talking

568
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:34.319
a bit about Henry David throws Johnt into entrepreneurship in

569
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.240
the world of business. After the break, we're going to

570
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.559
continue talking about what there is to learn from what

571
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:39.559
he did with that academy.

572
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:40.400
We'll be right back.

573
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.480
Doctor Elise Cortez is a management consultant specializing and meaning

574
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.359
and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author, She helps companies

575
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.240
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired

576
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.279
leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and

577
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.599
commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite

578
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a lease to speak to your organization, please visit her

579
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.640
at elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about how to get

580
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:30.480
your employees working on purpose. This is Working on Purpose

581
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.839
with doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today or

582
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:36.640
to open a conversation with Elise, send an email to

583
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Elise A Lisee at elisecortes dot com. Now back to

584
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working on Purpose.

585
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:48.960
Thank you for ding with us, and welcome back to

586
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.000
working on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Elase Cortes. If

587
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.079
you're just joining us, my guest is Ken Lazant. He's

588
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.039
the author of eight books and the editor of an

589
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:59.599
additional two. Today we're talking about Walden for Hire business

590
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.640
lessons from Henry David Dua. So one of the things

591
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.000
I wanted to celebrate that I think also really speaks

592
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:07.920
to what your whole point of writing the book is,

593
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.760
what can we learn from how he lived and how

594
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.920
he went through his life through enterprise, et cetera and

595
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.559
bring it into the world of business and leadership. So

596
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.480
just the very fact that when he started socializing his

597
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:23.239
idea to the community about this academy, he referred to

598
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.719
it he said, this would be a very progressive school,

599
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:27.639
unlike that any had come before.

600
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:29.400
And the very fact that he.

601
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.559
Socialized it that way I think is really compelling, right,

602
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.039
because talk about marketing. You have a whole section on

603
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.079
how he was a marketer, a whole chapter on how

604
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:41.199
he was a marketer. I think that's really compelling. So

605
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.280
that's one of the points I wanted to raise also too.

606
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.800
Of course, in his school, no corporal punishment, right, that

607
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:49.599
was another distinguishing factor.

608
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:50.960
He's like that, I know.

609
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.079
That's the norm out there. I got that, but we're

610
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.079
not doing it that way. I'm going to do it

611
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.239
my way. So those are a couple of things if

612
00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:58.800
you want to comment on those, there's a couple of

613
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.239
things that I really want to make sure that we

614
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:03.599
called out that really speak to I think what we

615
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.400
can learn today from the way he lived and worked.

616
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:07.440
Well.

617
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:08.119
I think.

618
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.239
One thing that happened I think with him, if you

619
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:17.760
take the public school with it, he quit after ten days,

620
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:22.519
and then his school that he started he started on

621
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.360
his own, and he brought his brother, who also was

622
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:29.159
a public school teacher. You have the same feelings about that,

623
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:35.599
into being his partner. So they were running it together

624
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:42.920
for a while. And I personally spent about ten years

625
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.719
previous to the business I have now working with professionals

626
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.719
around how they can make career transitions.

627
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.039
Yes. Yes, And.

628
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:03.159
One of the things that I found seems to be

629
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:07.960
true for people in the workforce is you have to

630
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:14.719
know what you are. Are you an employee? Are you

631
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.119
an entrepreneur? And a lot of people who I would

632
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:24.679
be coaching or put through my programs back then had

633
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.599
been working as an employee at some sort of major

634
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:33.559
company for maybe twenty twenty five, thirty years or something.

635
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.039
And this was back in the nineties, and it was

636
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.920
a panic or a recession, and they were all being

637
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.320
thrown out of work, and there was right sizing, downsizing,

638
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:48.480
all those buzzwords, and a lot of them said that

639
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.679
they two things. They wanted to do something on their own.

640
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:54.840
They didn't want to go back to the corporate life,

641
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:59.039
and they wanted it to have purpose. Speaking of working

642
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.639
on purpose, that's what they wanted. And they and they

643
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.400
and they understood that they had to be independent. So

644
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:10.960
as I learned from that that we are either entrepreneurs

645
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:15.480
or we're employees, and we should be we should It's

646
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.639
not one one versus the other is not better than

647
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:20.679
the other, but it's who you are, what you are,

648
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.039
and it's a fit doesn't feel right, there's no reason

649
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:28.119
why you shouldn't do Henry didn't and take him take

650
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:33.960
yourself into into creating work lifestyle that works for you.

651
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:35.000
M h.

652
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:37.679
And speaking to that, I was I thought the way

653
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:39.760
you described the way that Henry and his brother johnn

654
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.840
worked together was so endearing. They really had a beautiful

655
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:46.360
of course, the business listen, there was hire somebody that

656
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.199
who really is passionate about.

657
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.480
What it is that they're doing and for the organization.

658
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:54.320
But of course you also sure that ultimately he disbanded

659
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.679
the academy when his brother died because he was such

660
00:37:56.719 --> 00:38:01.840
an integral part of the academy operationally run. It just

661
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.039
really speaks a lot to what a relational soul he

662
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:05.679
was too.

663
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.199
Right, Well, that's the thing is that they were very close.

664
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.039
He really he cared a lot about his brother and

665
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:17.079
a brother had a freak accident where he got blockjaw

666
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.559
from I think like a rusty razor blade or something,

667
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.039
and and and.

668
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.480
He died in three days.

669
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:27.480
And of course people did get sick and die in

670
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:32.000
three days, little kids and all ages back in those days.

671
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:38.599
So so it was so devastating to Henry. He couldn't

672
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.639
really go on, and he decided to close it down.

673
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.400
So that's that's the sad thing about not only losing

674
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:50.199
his brother, but losing this this entrepreneurial venture that he

675
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:57.159
was doing so well at. Indeed, he just decided to, okay,

676
00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:59.519
pick myself up. And what's the.

677
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.639
Next thing, And is that when he became more of

678
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.880
a master surveyor or did where there things stops along

679
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:06.679
the way before he got there.

680
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.920
The thing that happens next.

681
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.760
Is that he goes to Walden Pond and he builds

682
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:17.039
his cabin and he.

683
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:20.400
All the what you read.

684
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.679
Is is what that was all about. He should find

685
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:28.960
out what it is that matters to him. That's how service.

686
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:33.400
That's when surveying got started. Not right away, maybe it

687
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:35.960
might have been the second year that he was there,

688
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.159
but he had always had a sort of an interest

689
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.920
in surveying, and back in those days, a lot of

690
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:48.000
people surveyed became surveyors. People like Georgia Washington with a surveyor.

691
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:50.360
And what is a surveyor?

692
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:52.440
So for our listener viewers or don't really know what

693
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.239
that term means, what does a surveyor do?

694
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:55.760
What does it do?

695
00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:02.400
A survey Yeah, well so so here's one thing it does,

696
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:03.000
is it it?

697
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:08.000
Uh it measures land and water and.

698
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:17.159
Uh natural uh, natural lands, natural escapes, natural landscapes and

699
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.679
things like that, and and and he he had a

700
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.559
sense of what it did, but he didn't know it

701
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.679
very well. And he decided that the best way for

702
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.960
him to know it was to take on a project

703
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.800
and create a project. So right there at Wallerton and

704
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:35.639
in the dead of winter, like right now, like February,

705
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:40.679
and the ice is completely uh stiff, and uh he

706
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:44.199
he decided he was going to measure Walden Pond. Now

707
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.360
a lot of people at that time thought Walden Pond

708
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.719
was it didn't have a bottom, believe it or not.

709
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.079
I guess go to the other side of the globe

710
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.840
or something, and you know, it was just this. It

711
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.320
was considered bottomless. So he says, I gotta find out

712
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.760
if it was bottomless. So he had some kind of

713
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:10.199
homemade makeshift tools that he used and he surveyed that

714
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:16.960
the whole pond, everything from you know, across from shore

715
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:23.320
to shore, but also uh, the the bottom to the bottom,

716
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.519
and to see how far it went. Don't ask me

717
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:31.159
how what the eventual measure number was. I don't remember

718
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.039
if I even got that, but I think he did

719
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:36.239
get it. So it so he did this thing that

720
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:40.559
was on his own that helped him. What happened was

721
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:45.280
then is they started to get these little jobs here

722
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.880
and there, and a lot of times what it was

723
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.159
it was working for let's say a farmer or a

724
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:52.599
landowner that.

725
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:54.320
Wanted to.

726
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.840
Maybe make more money with their land by cutting down

727
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:05.400
trees and selling timberlood and things like that. But Henry

728
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.519
had two things going on. One is that the surveying

729
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:11.800
he liked because he liked to measure, and he liked

730
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:15.800
to investigate things and all of that. But also he

731
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.159
liked to be outside, so it was a great uh,

732
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.400
you know, compromise. And then the other part, when we

733
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.719
get back to the morality, the inner, inner core of

734
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.239
who he was, he would he would take on jobs

735
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:33.800
where uh, the goal of his.

736
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.360
Client was to have.

737
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.719
Make as much money from the land as possible, which

738
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:46.599
might mean devastating uh some of it against stand of

739
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.239
trees or beautiful rock formation or something, and he would

740
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.440
fight with the with his client over it.

741
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:55.239
No, that's not a good thing.

742
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.639
We've got to have all these kinds of uh natural

743
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:04.920
uhiam's ingredients that make up who we are and so anyway,

744
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.719
but the point is, the ultimate goal, to answer your question,

745
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:12.880
would be to know exactly what you owned if you

746
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.639
hired a surveyor, and what's the shape of it. And

747
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.119
then you know, it's sort of up to you to

748
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.880
do what you wanted to do with it. But he

749
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:23.639
was so good at it, and he cared about it

750
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.679
so much, and he did it in such a way

751
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.400
where his heart was in it. People recognized that, and

752
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:33.159
as a result, by the time he was in his

753
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.280
last few years of life, he was doing a lot

754
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.000
of surveying and he had been named the chief surveyor

755
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:44.760
of Conquer. That good didn't stop him from writing, didn't

756
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.360
stop him from writing poems, and by then he was

757
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:55.320
he had his book Walden was finished and published. But

758
00:43:56.079 --> 00:44:01.559
surveying became a sort of a good compromise that could

759
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:04.320
pay the bills such as they were, and they weren't

760
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:08.000
They weren't anything like what we were discussing before.

761
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.199
Not for right right.

762
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.039
I think it's also really beautiful and endearing how you

763
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.320
capture that toward those ends of his life and reminds

764
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.840
you of listeners and viewers. He passed at the age

765
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:21.159
of forty five. He wasn't an old old man. Maybe

766
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.559
maybe back in those days. I'm not sure, but I

767
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.079
thought it was beautiful how you really shared too, that

768
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.920
his sister Sophia really took care of him, and as

769
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.760
as the care went along, she came to realize she

770
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:35.960
could be a little more useful than just dusting and

771
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.079
providing meals, et cetera.

772
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.639
And she began to assemble his writings.

773
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:41.960
So can you share a little bit about how that

774
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.400
arrangement worked, how they what happened because of her work, She.

775
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.280
Like the rest of the siblings, was a teacher.

776
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.079
And then I think had I don't know, retired or

777
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:59.599
decided to leave her teaching job to or to take

778
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:04.760
care of Henry because he was dying of tuberculosis. And uh,

779
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.280
you know, it was a it was a slow kind

780
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:12.639
of a diminishment that apparently takes place. But they they

781
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.440
they wanted they decided together that he had a lot

782
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.760
of unfinished writings and a lot of work to be

783
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.440
done to kind of collect them and organize them.

784
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:25.880
And she was really good at that, and she.

785
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.320
Dedicated herself to that, and then he when he died,

786
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.280
she then kind of like became his agent, his literary agent,

787
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.400
even though he wasn't with us anymore, and went around

788
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.440
to various potential publishers or editors or whatever and uh

789
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:47.400
and got his work published, maybe more so than in

790
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.159
his in his life.

791
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.519
But that's that's what was going on.

792
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.639
He couldn't, he didn't, he was getting weaker and weaker.

793
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.199
But she would sit him down in the in the

794
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:03.639
living room on a couch and have the boxes of

795
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.000
papers and go through it. And he did probably get

796
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:11.679
tired after a few hours, but but she was. She

797
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:16.159
was definitely guiding the process. And one thing that that does,

798
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:18.840
by the way, when you go back to all the

799
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:22.079
things of his he did in his life, including the

800
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:28.599
cabin and writing, uh, working on his book Walden, which

801
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:30.599
by the way, took nine years for him to write,

802
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:36.079
eleven drafts nine years, uh and uh, but eventually it

803
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:42.000
was it was done and it was published, and I

804
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:47.239
a chapter we talked about the cabin. Uh, what did

805
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:51.239
the cabin itself make profit? Make any kind of profit?

806
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.960
Show? Was it? Did it? Did it.

807
00:46:54.440 --> 00:47:01.880
Exemplify Henry's business sense? And did not just because of

808
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.280
the farming and the beans, but because using the cabin

809
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.840
to write that book turned out to be such a bonanza.

810
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:15.800
It's uncountable how much money has been made over the years.

811
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.800
Doesn't go to him anymore. But you know, you can

812
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.400
go into a books There's a book shop across the

813
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.079
street from Walden Pond called the Shop at Walden Pond.

814
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.239
Go in there and you're going to see books like

815
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:33.199
Mine and Little Women and all, and you're going to

816
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.719
see various editions of Walden.

817
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.599
It's so much money has been made over the decades

818
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.559
because of what he did at that cabin, that that

819
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.119
itself was a big profitable enterprise.

820
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:51.639
Sister helped a great deal.

821
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.599
Yes, So that speaks to get the right people on

822
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:56.880
the bus, hire people that have talents and skills that

823
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:57.360
you don't have.

824
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.320
Right, that really speaks to that beautifully.

825
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.079
Well, we've managed to get through almost the whole amount

826
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:04.639
of time here already, Ken, But I want to give

827
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.639
you a chance to close the show as you like. Saying, like, say,

828
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.760
twenty seconds, what was I to leave our listeners and

829
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:10.320
viewers with.

830
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.199
I think that if I were going to leave everybody

831
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.920
with something that this book could show them, it is

832
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.159
pay attention to what you care about. As I was

833
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:31.840
saying before, in terms of you know, while you an

834
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.719
entrepreneur or an employee, what is it? What's the core

835
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:41.360
of what you want to do that it will fulfill you?

836
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:43.320
But also.

837
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:52.199
How can you maintain the kind of inner core morality

838
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.239
that Henry that caused Henry to give up a job

839
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.119
after ten days. I mean, that's a tough tough thing

840
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:06.119
to do. What was important to him in life guided him,

841
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:11.519
and we always fagit that much attention to that much

842
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:12.199
as we tried.

843
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.639
Thank you, Ken, I thoroughly enjoyed your book and I'm

844
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:18.360
very grateful to have met you and have you have

845
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.280
you in the show. Thanks for being on working on purpose,

846
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.039
it's a delight, and thanks for teaching me how to

847
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:26.400
speak Boston Boston sort.

848
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:27.159
Of language.

849
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:31.719
And uh Henry David Throw.

850
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.440
Indeed, listeners and viewers you want to learn to want

851
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.239
learn more about Ken Laza in his books, including Walden

852
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.719
for Hire and maybe the work he does at Emmerson

853
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:42.639
Consulting Groups, so you can visit him.

854
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:47.199
At thought leader dot com. Excuse me, thought leading dot com.

855
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:48.679
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incorporate art in your physical settings to amplify fightel vitality

864
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