The Quest to Matter: In Search of Significance in Life and at Work

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What's Working on Purpose? Anyway?
Each week we ponder the answer to

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this question. People ache for meaning
and purpose at work, to contribute their

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talents passionately and know their lives really
matter. They crave being part of an

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organization that inspires them and helps them
grow into realizing their highest potential. Business

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can be such a force for good
in the world, elevating humanity. In

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our program, we provide guidance and
inspiration to help usher in this world we

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all want Working on Purpose. Now, here's your host, Doctor Release Cortez.

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Welcome back to the Working and Purpose
program. Rate to have you.

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We have been on air with this
program since February of twenty fifteen, with

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passion and pride. It's great to
bring it to you. I'm your host,

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doctor Las Cortez, joining you live
from Dallas, home base for meat.

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If we have not met yet and
you don't know and you don't know

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me, I'm a management consultant,
organizational logo therapist, speaker and author.

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My team and I at least Cortez
and Associates help companies to enliven and fortify

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their operations by articulating their purpose and
building inspirational leaders and cultures activated by meeting

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and purpose to turn those companies from
a flatline EKG to a vibrant destination workplace.

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There, people are intrinsically motivated to
perform with their best, grown their

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floor potential, and are committed to
stay and dynamically deliver on the company's mission.

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You can learn more about us and
how we can work together at at

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least cortez dot com. Now getting
in today's program, we have Tracy Schubert

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Barrett, a leadership and strategic consultant. After spending over twenty years in the

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television and advertising industry, Tracy decided
to merge her decades of experience of an

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ex experience about leading, strategizing,
managing, and mentoring, and start her

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executive coaching and a consulting firm called
Navigate the Journey. She's the author of

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what If There's More Funding Significance Beyond
Success, which we'll be talking about today.

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She joined us a day from Nashville, Tennessee. Tracy, Welcome to

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Working on Purpose. Thank you,
so happy to be here, so great

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to have you. Let's go ahead
and just show this beautiful masterpiece that you

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created, so beautiful. I know
you have children, but you probably you

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may agree with me that was probably
more difficult to do this than it was

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bring their children into the world.
Yes, my children were only twenty four

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hours of labor. That was about
two years plus labor. I understand,

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my friend, I really understand.
So you know, it's really wonderful to

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get to talk with you, and
really you have such a beautiful experience in

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your book. What I appreciate about
it, it's very real. You let

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us in, you tell your story, you teach us a lot. So

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let's just start with where things began
for you. You spent twenty years at

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HTTV and helped build this amazing network
there. So just give us maybe a

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couple of things that were really meaningful
about that time there that really stuck with

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you. Yeah, So you know, it was such an amazing, extraordinary

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experience, you know, taking a
business from literally it was just an idea,

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just an idea that our founder had, he came up with it in

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his basement, and then taking it
across two decades to become a billion dollar

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media empire was a ride that you
know, I'm just forever grateful for and

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I think, you know, for
me, when I look back and I

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think about what were the biggest takeaways, it was the best entrepreneurial training ground

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I could have ever had. It
really taught me, you know, the

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fundamentals of business, but the power
of mission vision and values, having core

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values. And I learned those principles. I saw them in action. I

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saw what happens when you hold true
to them. And you know, HGTV

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in those early years never wavered from
what we wanted to become and in our

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why and the values that were our
river banks that kind of kept us on

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track. And I also learned the
power of community mentorship, leadership. I

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had some great mentors. When you're
in any startup, you get kind of

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shoved into leadership pretty quickly, and
so I learned a lot about leading an

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organization and about you know the power
of finding people a little further down the

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road than you and you know,
asking them if you can enter into their

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universe and learn from them. M
Well, that was beautiful. That was

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an incredible, articulate summation of twenty
some years Traces, thank you for that.

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Well, here's where it gets really
amazing and interesting, you know,

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and I think probably your your readers
are going to find this riveting. Here

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you are enjoying all of this now
mind show you also talk about just the

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sheer craziness of your schedule and what
you were trying to accomplish back then,

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not knowing what city you're in,
when you're at various airports, you know,

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your head is literally spinning. So
someone there you found yourself what you

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call a crossroads, and I recognize
that, by the way, and you

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were wrestling with a lot of questions. You know, you started asking is

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this all there is? Can I
find true meaning in my work? What

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do I really want? Am I
allowed to ask for what I want?

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What if there's more? I think
so many listeners and viewers can relate to

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that, but kind of bring us
into your world a bit about what was

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going on? What, how where
were you into your crew when you started

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really feeling those questions. Yeah,
good, twenty plus years in the television

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world. At that crossroads, it
was, you know, not long into

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my forties and had, you know, two young kids at home, husband,

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had a demanding job. You know, we both felt stretched pretty thin,

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and I felt like nobody was getting
the best parts of me. It

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wasn't that I was unhappy at work
or I didn't like my job, or

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I had a bad boss. It
was none of those things. It was

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just a high stress, us intense
environment. And it wasn't just at work.

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I had a lot going on around
me and as a working mom,

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and and you know, getting to
that crossroads, that kind of mid career,

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midlife, whatever crossroads you want to
name it. Usually when we get

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to that crossroads, we start to
think, well, wait a second,

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what am I doing? You know, how did I get here? Is?

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Is? What are the mile markers
that are ahead of me? You

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know, I've checked off all the
boxes by society standards. I have it

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all, you know, which,
as working women coming up through those decades,

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we were often told you know,
you should have it all. You

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could have it all, and then
I just sort of ended up having it

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all, but also doing it all, being at all all the things,

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and really wondering to myself, could
I give myself the gift of space to

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figure out what exactly do I want
to do next? Do I want to

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stay here forever? Or you know, do I want to you know,

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maybe realize a new adventure? And
then who am I? What's my identity

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outside of HDTV? So much of
my identity I basically grew up at HGTV,

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so you know, it was really
hard to unravel my identity from that

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network. And as great and proud
as I was of it, and as

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glamorous as people found it to be, I still knew that there were layers

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to me underneath that I just wanted
to realize and explore. And I kind

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of wondered, you know, again, what if there was more for me

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out there? And that was the
question that just kept ringing in my head.

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And I knew I could shove it
down and just keep the golden handcuffs

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on and just sort of, you
know, you know, stay on autopilot

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and get through. Or I could
take a leap of faith. I really

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understand that I hit a few crossroads, and one of them was just in

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two thousand and three, one made
daughter was born, and that's when I

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decided to go these self employment route
so that I could still work, but

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on more of my terms. So
that was one. The other thing that

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I want to call out that about
what you just share that I think it's

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really critical that I've learned over the
years, Tracy, and that is that

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word more. What I have found
is when people start saying something like,

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but I want more, I think
there might be more, that's when there's

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that's the beginning of the niggle,
right. And so then you go on

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in your in your book and you
and this is really really critical to talk

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about. This is so important.
You go on and you say, if

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these crossroads crossroads could talk, they'd
ask you these kinds of these key questions,

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how did I get here? Why
do I exist? Where am I

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going? If you don't have clear
answers to these questions, you say,

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you'll likely wind up in the directed
midlife crisis, which is actually quite real.

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And so that the feeling of being
stuck with no answers can lead to

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depression or a desire to escape.
The desire can sometimes get lived out through

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counterproductive choices, like having an affair, hastily falling for divorce, or buying

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a red sports card, which,
by the way, I recognized in what

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happened for me, I didn't make
those choices, but somebody else did anyway.

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So but this is real stuff.
Happens when people are trying to find

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that meaning and they're less that significance. And so what I really appreciate is

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then you go on to say,
which brings us to the good news.

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The second half of life can actually
be brighter and more meaningful than your first.

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Yeah. Yeah, I think that
those kind of midlife crossroads are tricky

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for people because we are completely brainwashed
by society that youth is key. Everything

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about youth. Looking like you,
you know, you're a youthful, feeling

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youthful. Those you know, the
best years of our life, our college

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and our twenties, and so when
we hit midlife, we consciously or subconsciously

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try to go backwards, you know. So we you know, do all

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the things, and you know,
whether that's a sports car to make us

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feel young again, whether that's a
facelift, whether that's you know, whatever

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it is that is where we basically
are at that crossroads of either we're going

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to go backwards into crisis or we're
going to go forward into really leaning into

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our life and realizing a better second
half. But it's all you know,

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you've got to have that mindset and
awareness, and I really think unfortunately a

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lot of people, it's it's small
decisions, bad decisions that add up to

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really ending up on a path you
didn't intend to end up on. Yeah,

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So I want to build on this
because I think it's really really interesting.

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I was talking about this with my
running partner this morning. We run

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six miles every Tuesday and anyway,
so we had plenty of time to talk.

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But one of the things I came
to was, you know, I

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sort of feel like there's three general
paths people take when they get to this

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crossroads. One is the blow up
path, which is the midnight crisis when

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we make these series of choices that
are really hard on us. Another path,

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which is really kind of what happened
for me, was you start doing

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what you did, searching for significance, for something that's meaningful, and that's

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when I threw myself into my meaning
and work and identity research. I think

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the third path is what I would
call definitely the road more traveled, and

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it's sort of the straight and narrow, apathetic path of just kind of sticking

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through and going one foot after the
other, but just not feeling fulfilled,

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just kind of going through the motions. Yeah, I call that autopilot.

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Yeah, you're really just operating on
autopilot. And you know, as we

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know, with autopilot, you've got
to be the one that switches the gear

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off and you have to go manual. And so, you know, some

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people know and figure out and are
able to find the space to figure out

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how to go manual and learn to
lean into their lives, or they just

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stay on autopilot. And what's interesting
is that oftentimes, you know, people

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will wake up at like seventies seventy
five and they'll think, oh, my

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gosh, what just happened. And
one of the highest rates of suicide are

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men and that are seventy five years
old and their seventies. And for a

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lot of women, there's a spike
in suicide between the ages of forty five

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and fifty five because they're not only
experiencing sort of this apathy, they're also

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going through hormonal changes, and so
they're you know, chemically having struggles as

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well, and so it's a it's
a very tricky time and so you know,

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one of the reasons I wrote the
book was hoping that it would be

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one of those switches, one of
those you know, pathway to really getting

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off autopilot or or not making the
mistake of going down the crisis road.

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I think your work, my work, our work is really really so so

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important because it's not just even about
the fulfillment piece of it. It's you

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know, of really being fulfilled in
your life and realizing our potential and living

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your purpose to do work. But
it's about true vitality. I mean,

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just in the last two weeks,
Tracy person in my im not immediate but

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general friend networked death by suicide and
he said that, you know, this

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was he just didn't he didn't feel
like he was doing something worthwhile his life

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work wasn't wasn't wasn't meaningful, and
he's no longer with us. I mean,

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this is this is a true casualty
that's happening when we can't really surface

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the level of meaning and certificans that
we're looking for. It is just really

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critical work that you know, both
of us are investing our lives, know

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into. Yeah, absolutely, that's
so tragic, and it's sadly it's not

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uncommon, especially now post pandemic.
We're in a very kind of lonely,

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stressed, anxious society where anxiety is
the number one mental disorder that is diagnosed

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today, the number one. So
we're you know, a very anxious,

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you know, kind of tortured society. And and we're all looking for that

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light, you know, the light
that's going to illuminate for us the meaning

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and purpose that we all are innately
designed to have and to feel and to

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realize for ourselves. Yeah, and
I really appreciate it, you know.

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And it's just one of the things
that you said so stacincly in your book.

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You say, the common pursuit of
success as a roadmap many have traveled.

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The pursuit of certificates is one few
have traveled. And I think that's

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really true. And but even just
you know, learning that, you know,

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when you accept that this is what
success looks like, to go and

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slog these crazy, crazy hours and
make, you know, whatever money that

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think we're really starting to wake up
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about in the book that are common
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wealth we accumulate. Our power today, Like I see this even with my

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teenagers and their generation. How many
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big is your platform, how many
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these things, you know, I'm
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a title at work or having a
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significance, to really realize our positive
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we're after the things that society is
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we've been we've plugged into the engine. Yeah, yes, all right,

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My guest is Tracy Schubert Barrett.
She's the author of What If There's

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More? Finding Succeeded Against Beyond Success. So before I get into what you're

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doing today, I want to set
it up here with something you did beautifully

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in the book, and you know
you've suppose you can't really talk about any

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kind of leaders without bringing up Peter
Drucker at some point. But you talk

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about how, of course he is
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was the author of thirty nine books, you say, two thirds of which

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he wrote after the age of sixty
five. When you say he gave his

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last lecture not long before he died
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he believed that the best years of
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and ninety sounds good to me and
that and of course that played out for

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him. While you say so operating
from the best is yet to come,

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and tell it. It can give
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carry things over to the finish line
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really believe in that. I think
that's true. I think you're an example

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of that. I think I'm an
example of that. I had Cynthia Covey

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Holler on my program and she wrote
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Stephen Covey, called Live Life and
Crescendo. Your most important work is always

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ahead of you, which echoes this. So if you could just speak a

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little bit to this idea, because
so many people, as you say in

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your book, our program to you
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at fifty five or sixty two or
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highly associated with mortality. So can
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of the best years or from sixty
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I think you know, when we
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know, we can put it in
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to an end, you know.
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the paycheck, it's to enjoy the
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of mastery of somebody who who enjoyed
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positive impact he was able to have. You know, I talked about in

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the book how it was just right
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know, mentoring some students, you
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him so much joy his work.
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to let go of our work now. I think as we age and progress

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through the stages of our life,
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or as hard, or we feel
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to realize in our later decades kind
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that you know, And also I
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and having that wisdom mindset and contentment. It's very important to have the proper

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mindset as you age and as you
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as far as work is concerned.
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spot, when you know how you're
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your values, and you find work
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and you can have a positive impact. And it does not have to be

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large. It could just be small
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or just between the one other person
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each day, or it could be
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not matter. But when you understand
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have a positive impact, then work
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we can find the power in it
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a way that makes us not want
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us always, you know, wanting
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all of my mentors that are further
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that are still engaged. There is
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they feel younger. They don't talk
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it's this awful, horrible thing.
They really look at each day as a

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gift, as one more day to
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I said to you before we're gotting, I'm just going to go ahead and

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repeat it. So you know,
as I mentioned, I read part of

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your book when I was at the
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I'm on the bicycle and you know, I'm reading your book and I'm

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underlying my pencil and such, and
every once in a while I'm like,

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yes, that's right, that's exactly
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and of course the other people in
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she she's backs back, So you
don't me in public Tracy. But it's

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okay. I love that. I'm
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Okay. So well, now then
that situations beautifully for you to share just

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how it was that you were able
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own dreams, your own passions,
your own talent, your purpose. Tell

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us about how that came to be
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it happened organically. It's you know, like I said, I left AHTV

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kind of the top of my game. You know, there there was no

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apparent reason to anybody for me to
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it wasn't There was no push.
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boss, there was no layoff,
there was no any of that. It

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just it was time for me to
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was no push, but there was
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pulling me that that was really saying, you know, there's something else out

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there. I didn't know what it
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came my way. And what happened
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out to me, mainly from the
media industry, that we're like, hey,

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can you help me with this?
Can you coach me on this can

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you you know, I need to
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best use of those decades of corporate business

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experience, married with the fact that
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early on in my career at HGTV, mainly because we didn't have management training

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and that type of stuff. Early
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really want to get an NBA,
already have a business degree. I'll go

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and you know, work on a
psychology degree. And it was the best

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decision I ever made. And so
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the time was doing strategic planning,
and he's like, why don't we start

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a business consulting firm. You can
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do strategic planning, and and it
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this day, sitting on the couch
ten years ago having this conversation, and

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we you know, looked up Navigate
the Journey, because I was like,

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you know, it's not about the
destination, it's the journey. And I

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really want people to understand that in
business and in life, and if we

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can come alongside them and help them
get to where they really want to go.

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Then I think it would be perfect
for us because we're at this stage

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in our career where we're ready to
pay it forward, where we're ready to

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really be the wind beneath other people's
wings, you know, help them succeed

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and realize their dream and their potential. And we just got super excited about

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it. And we've built it just
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like one coaching client. We you
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and it was just little by little
we built the company and we are

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just loving every minute of it today. We just love coming into people's worlds

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and helping them, you know,
realize greater significance through their work, you

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know, through being a good leader, but also in their life in general.

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And you're ten years in now,
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about Yeah, it's it's amazing.
Well, so many things that I loved

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about what you put forth in the
book that I thought were just so elevating

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and educational. One of them,
of course, is your focus on one

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perspectivity and so you talk about how
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life of significance. Will you talk
about each one of those? Yes?

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Yeah. So I always say,
no matter you know, what stage or

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anything, I'm on that there is
power and perspective that we under utilize the

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power in our mind, you know. And I love all the kind of

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research around that. And when we
can get our perspective right, it alters

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the way we see the world and
the way the world sees us, and

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it's so important. And so I
what I tried to do in my book

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was boil down kind of the three
you know mindsets. I think that are

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super helpful for people when they're at
a cross roads and they're thinking about their

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future. And the first one's longevity. You know, I think the first

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thing we need to realize and really
you know, ingrain into our brain,

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is that we have a long,
healthy life ahead of us, you know,

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if we choose. And I know
that there are a lot of things

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in life that we don't control,
but putting those aside, if we can

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believe instead of you know, we've
all been taught sort of like carpetium,

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like this day could be your last, and I think it really feeds into

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kind of this hustle culture and this
like franticness versus you know, kind of

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resting in and believing that we have
decades ahead and we are you know,

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I have a lot of research in
the book about you know, longevity stats

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and what people are living until and
how people are living longer and they're living

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healthier longer, and we have more
options ahead of us to really engage in

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a healthy lifestyle. And I just
love that. I think that's the most

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important of the three, really is
because once you believe that, then all

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of a sudden, you're willing to
take another risk. You're willing to to

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maybe try something new, You're willing
to double down where you are, or

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fall back in love with your company
because you understand that they're decades ahead instead

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of days. And then secondly,
I want to comment on that one because

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it's just it's just so great.
Two things. One I remember eight years

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ago I was in a leadership development
workshop for myself. The speaker was a

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futurist and she said, she said, there were about eighty five of us

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women in the crowd, and she
said, if you're if you're fifty years

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old and in pretty good health,
you've got a pretty good chance of living

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to one hundred. I had immediate
thoughts. The first one was awesome,

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I had more time to go after
all my dreams and my goals and make

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them happen. The second immediate thought
was, oh, crap, I better

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take better care of this card because
that's going to get me there, you

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know, which is so important.
If you have a long jetty long jevity

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mindset, then you want to also
take good care of yourself. And then

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the second thing I wanted to comment
on is that also really speaks to why

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you gave the Peter Drucker quote of
you know, the best can be so

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far ahead of you, that there's
so much you can do in those years,

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those sixties, seventies, eighties,
and nineties that people haven't traditionally thought

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of that way. And I stand
to celebrate that too. And that's the

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path. I want to be.
The woman in the purple outfit in the

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hat, you know, bringing her
bicycle into town for things, and she

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knows all the people in the town
and she's going to deliver a lecture later

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on at eighty five. That's where
I'm going. I love that picture.

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I think that's fabulous, and I
think that picture in your mind, you

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know, envisioning that is what is
going to keep you young and healthy.

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And I think that they're there are
so many examples of this out there now

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of women and men that we can
see that have said, you know what,

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I you know, the heck with
agism. I'm not You're not putting

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me out to pasture. I have
a lot to give. And you know,

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I think America has been behind on
this, you know, really holding

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up its elders and holding up the
wisdom and the experience and knowing that there's

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so much for the generations ahead to
really pour back into the workplace and that

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you know, maybe we need to
have more older workers around more and speaking

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into the lives of these people who
are coming up now on these generations.

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There's so much richness in that.
Absolutely, Tracy right there with you.

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Let's keep championing that. Okay.
So then the next mindset, the next

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mindset is wisdom. So the wisdom
mindset, really, you know what I

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say, And what's most important about
this mindset is is that when you,

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as you age, wisdom isn't a
given. You know, we all think,

427
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oh the older, the wiser.
Now I think we all know some

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older people that aren't so wise.
Wisdom has to be pursued. We really

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need to have that learner mentality.
And this is why I loved when you

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were like, I'm going to read
your book, and I know how much

431
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you read and you you absorb,
and what that does is help you grow

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in wisdom, grow in knowledge.
It's that intellectual health. And I think

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right now we're living in a society
where you know, truth is fractured,

434
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you know, integrity is vague.
You know people really going after wisdom and

435
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really trying to to know more and
be more curious than certain. You know,

436
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:52.839
it's it's not happening as much.
But if we can all recommit to

437
00:30:52.920 --> 00:31:00.880
it, I think we'll see a
resurgence of goodness and positivity and significant lives

438
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:06.680
happening all around us. So I
really love the idea of the pursuit of

439
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:11.599
wisdom, and I think we all
should adopt beautifully rendered And then you have,

440
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.200
of course the contentment mindset, which
I have not actually heard it described

441
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.559
that way. So yeah, so
you know, there's a million books on

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00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.079
happiness. I think everybody's chasing happiness
I talk about in the book, and

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I kind of try to flip that
on its head, that happiness is very

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circumstantial. You know, I think
that we can really trick ourselves from a

445
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psychological standpoint to say, oh,
I want to have a happy life,

446
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And what we really need to be
saying is I want to have a content

447
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life. Because life isn't going to
be happy one hundred percent of the time.

448
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.480
Not every day is going to be
a good day, not at all

449
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.839
the moments within a day are going
to be good. And so when we

450
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look at our life as a whole
and we just say, hey, what

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00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.720
I really desire is a full and
satisfying life, a life that I can

452
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feel content in. What that does
is it gives us room for the ups

453
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and the downs. It helps us
to see and rejoice the triumphs. But

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it also helps us to see that
the trials and the hardships are there for

455
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a reason, and we can grow
and we can learn and we can mature

456
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through those. So I just talk
about how contentment I think is really an

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antecdote for that endless chase of happiness. Beautiful, Tracy, let's let our

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listeners and viewers chew on that producing
moment. We've been on air with Tracy

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Schubert talking about her new book,
What If There's more finay Ctificants Beyond Success.

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After the break, We're gonna first
thing we're going to talk about is

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the number one reason people do not
live out their true purpose. Stay with

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us, will be right back.
Doctor release Cortez as a management consultant specializing

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in meaning and purpose. An inspirational
speaker and author. She helps companies visioneer

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for a greater purpose among stakeholders and
develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures

465
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that elevate fulfillment, performance, and
commitment within the workforce. To learn more

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or to invite a lease to speak
to your organization, please visit her at

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Elise Cortez dot com. Let's talk
about how to get your employees working on

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00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:34.720
purpose. This is working on Purpose
with doctor Elise Cortez. To reach our

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program today or to open a conversation
with Elise, send an email to Elise

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ali Se at Elise Cortez dot com. Now back to working on Purpose.

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Thanks for staying with us, and
welcome back to working on Purpose. I'm

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your host, doctor Elise Cortez.
I mentioned in the last Break that my

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last book, which is out in
March. At twenty twenty three which is

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the great revitalization. How activating meaning
and purpose can radically enliven your business.

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It's now out. Now what I've
done is I've created an organizational assessment for

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you. It's sitting on my website
at least corotest dot com, and you

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00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.679
can you can download that assessment and
you can learn the extent to which your

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company's leadership and culture meet the standards
of today's workforce. It's free. Check

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it out if you're just learning the
program. My guest is Tracy Schubert Barrett.

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She is the author of what If
There's More? Finding Sigificates Beyond Success.

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Okay, so now we have to
go into and of course I knew

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I knew the answer to this question, but I'm guessing a few of our

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listeners and viewers don't. So talk
a bit, if you would, about

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the number one reason people do not
live up their true purpose. Yeah,

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so I talk about that in my
experience and with the people that I coach.

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The thing that comes up at time
and time again is the fear of

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not having enough money, not making
enough money, and especially in corporate America,

488
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you know, the golden handcuffs whole
phrase, and being coined is by

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no accident, right there? A
people work? Yes, it works,

490
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it works, and yeah, it's
it's it's hard, it's I don't take

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anything away from the fact that it
is scary. It's scary to make a

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change or a pivot when you have
great responsibility you know, families and mortgages

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and all of those things. And
so I try to affirm people where they

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are. But then what I want
people to do is really examine what do

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they need? Yes, you know, what really do they need? And

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is are things like money, power, title, fame, loving them back?

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Are those the things that are really
serving them back? Because when we're

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just serving them day after day after
day, you know that that is a

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hard road to go down because you're
not going to find a lot of satisfaction

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and fulfillment in it. Beautifully said, Okay, so now because I found

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the same thing. I mean,
I've jumped off the cliff to pursue the

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meaning and purpose of routing and I
did that. I focused on that and

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live two eighteen. When I did
that, Tracy did not have a single

504
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.280
client that said I want to work
with you. I was convicted that I

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00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.280
need to do this. I need
to draft my own first book, create

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00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:12.480
my own leadership program, and start
a nonprofit. And I did that and

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00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.920
it was just to be true.
But it was a huge leap of fake

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00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:20.079
And but the crazy things you can
do HI on purpose, right, crazy

509
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:24.119
things you can do. But I
understood though, you know I could.

510
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I had myself where I didn't have, you know, I had learned how

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to consolidate, so I knew how
to make that leap. But to your

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point, I really appreciate an an
applaud the choice of how difficult it is

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to pursue that when you're standing on
a big, nice, comfortable paycheck that

514
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keeps showing up every single other week. Yeah. Yeah. It was scary

515
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:52.320
for us as a family walking away
from HTTV and and knowing that we were

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going to lose a huge portion of
our income and and trying to really sit

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down and realize with as much honesty
and frankness as we could, like,

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00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.599
what are we willing to give up? And you know, what are we

519
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.039
you know, what is the space
and time we're willing for me to realize

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00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.480
something different? And what are our
priorities? And can I put those things

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first? The children that I really
wanted to be spending more time with and

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in our home. And you know, I think it was hard for a

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lot of people around me to understand
or accept, and I think it was

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scary for other people to see me
do it. I got many calls where

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people, you know, especially women, were like, you can't do this,

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You're you know, it's it's going
backwards and making me feel guilty.

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Are people saying, you know,
what does that mean for the rest of

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us? And it wasn't like I
was making some big judgment on the world.

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I just decided I was going to
do something for me. I was

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going to make a decision based on
on my terms and what I wanted from

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my life. It was not this
sweeping statement for the world. But what

532
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:08.800
it showed me by doing it was
what was underneath other people's motives and they

533
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:14.719
were really feeling and when they watched
me make that choice, what emotions it

534
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brought up in them, And that
to me was fascinating, fascinating. I'm

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a social scientist, and so for
me, what that really speaks to is

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that you know that you you challenge
their norms and their choices, and you

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know you're you're leaving the nest,
and you know whenever you know your tribe

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or a person in your tribe starts
to try to get away, you know,

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there's a tendency to want to bring
them back in. And that happens

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all over the world in all kinds
of cultures, all kinds of religions.

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It's fascinating. Yeah, yeah,
that's so interesting. Yeah right, I

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know you would love that with your
education. So speaking of that now,

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there's an element two to that of
identity, which I want to cover off

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next. And you talk about in
your book how James clear Rights in his

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book Atomic Habits, he and you
quote him, is saying, don't just

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read a book or have a reading
routine, become a reader. Don't just

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00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.920
run a marathon or work out regularly, become a runner. To fulfill your

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potential, keep expanding and elevating your
identity. You will stick with You will

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00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.880
stick with your life vision. When
it becomes part of who you are rather

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than just a goal, you're upset
for yourself. So and when it becomes

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a lifestyle, it becomes a mindset. I think that is incredibly powerful,

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Tracy. What you did in those
short bits of how you've strung that together

553
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:30.199
his work and your perspective on it
is critical. Thank you. Yeah,

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00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.599
I just feel again back to mindset
and back to how we're seeing our work

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and seeing our life. And and
you know this really plays into that again,

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that whole idea around mastering a craft. You know, we see this

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if you watch like Chefs Table,
or you've seen you know Zo, you

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00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.800
know, Dreams of Sushi or any
anybody who's I think chefs are just really

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00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.719
kind of a great example because there's
so much art and you know, even

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though they can become these great admired
chefs, they it's still not enough for

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them. It's like, what's next, What's next? And I think when

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when we look at the things that
we try to master, or we look

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at the things we want to do, you know, maybe it's it's just

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a hobby as well. You know
that that really helps alter our mindset when

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we say, you know what,
I'm not gonna just read a book.

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I'm a reader. I'm not just
going to run with my friend every once

567
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in a while. I'm a runner. And and that changes my mentality.

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It gets me putting on the sneakers
to run much more often. And I

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think, you know, when we
see people like older senior citizens that have

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taken on this mentality, we also
see more vitality in them, you know,

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when they say, you know,
they're still taking on a craft or

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they're taking on you know, some
sort of athletic stance or whatever. We

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see that they then have more reason
to live. So it really helps us

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beyond work to have meaning and purpose. You know, I agree with every

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00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:14.400
single less utterance of that. I
think one of the things that that you've

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done really exceptionally well in your book
is the way that you help people come

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to their life compass, you know, and defining your unique talents, your

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00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.119
passions, your personal core values,
in your in your purpose, and you

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00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.360
really go on this. This is
where I think you really separate yourself from

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00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.079
a lot of people that are in
this space, Tracy, because what you

581
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.840
do is you go on to to
iterate and listen to this ladies and gentlemen,

582
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.079
this is critical. She says.
Your unique talents are your what,

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00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.679
your passions are your aware, your
core values are your how, and your

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00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:51.800
your core purpose is your why.
I think that is so incredibly compelling and

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00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.079
so specific, and what a way
to be able to help isolate this for

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00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:59.440
people to get them on a path
where they can really see who they are

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00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.440
and where they want want to go. Tracy, just kudos, thank you.

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00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.840
So this is part of you know, I I outline this in the

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00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:10.840
book of Strategic Life Map, which
is a curriculum that I've created where people

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00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:16.400
can take some tried and true,
you know, strategic planning concepts like mission

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00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:22.320
vision, you know, values,
and I put it into a compass and

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00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.320
say, this is the compass that's
going to illuminate your path and if you

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00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.880
can stay true to who you truly
are. And I believe we're all uniquely

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00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.280
made, just as unique on the
outside of our fingertips as we are on

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00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:38.280
the inside. And you know,
when we can push past things like you

596
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:42.599
know, our self limiting beliefs or
how other people we believe view us,

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00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:46.440
and we can really get deep into
understanding who we are, then we can

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00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:52.159
start to own what we can do. And so, you know, I

599
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:58.119
just love the idea that that our
talents are really what we can you know,

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bring to the world, and and
our passions are where hurt is,

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00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:05.960
you know, and our and our
core values are how we want to behave,

602
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:07.199
how we want to interact, how
we want to show up to the

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00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:12.599
world and be received. And you
know, those keep us safe, you

604
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.599
know, and and they're a filter
when things, you know, people roll

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00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.119
up against us wrong. And and
then the purpose is why we exist?

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00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:23.800
You know that is a big question. So many people are wrestling through and

607
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.920
you know, it's it's it's a
big question. I get it. And

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00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.920
I think one of the reasons I
wrote the book I wish I had at

609
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:36.719
my crossroads because I had these questions, but I had no framework to answer

610
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.039
them. Yes, and so you
know, having the Strategic Life Map framework

611
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:44.199
and now it's an online course because
I just wanted to reach as many people

612
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.079
as possible. You know. Now
there's a framework out there where people can

613
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:52.599
go deep and and really figure these
things out for themselves and create that that

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compass and that vision for the future
and be able to really lean into the

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idea of a significant life. Beautiful. Okay, So next, what I

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want to do is I want to
read a short passage here and then ask

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you to comment on it, because
even just the way that you wrote it

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is so so incredibly compelling, and
I don't want to lose anything in the

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translation. So you say, a
defined mission can also fill people with dry

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and ambition for something greater than themselves. It pulls us out of an individualistic

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success only mentality and pushes us toward
a more collective view of the world.

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A lack of mission leads people to
despair, dysfunction, and alienation. It

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is a personal purpose that gives us
more solid footing and a clear avenue to

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connect with others. It also helps
us to find a wonderful satisfaction of being

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useful to all those around us.
People feel the very best about themselves when

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they give the very best of themselves
to others. It's so beautiful. Thank

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you, thank you. I really
think that one of the things when I

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was writing the Bog, I was
thinking, gosh, I really hope people

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don't think. What I'm trying to
do is make you more full of yourself.

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You know that that knowing yourself more
deeply. And I'm not trying to

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really say, you know, oh, you know, build your head up.

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What I'm trying to do is that
when we really understand how we can

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impact the world, what happens is
we stop looking inward and we start looking

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outward, and then we start to
look around with how can we serve others

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with our gifts and our talents,
and then when we start to do that,

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we realize, oh my gosh,
this feels really good, This feels

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really fulfilling, This makes actual sense, you know. And and we think

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about like Maslow's hierarchy of needs,
and we think about getting up to self

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actualization, which is that basically reaching
your full potential and have a filling life.

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I think what keeps us from getting
there is when we just serve ourselves

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and we're just serving ourselves and we're
just trying to, you know, to

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accumulate, accumulate. But then when
we can push past that and start to

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realize we can serve others, and
then we just get a taste of what

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that feels like, we're altered,
we're changed. As a logo therapist,

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which of course is focused on the
idea that meaning is our chief source of

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concern, it's also our chief source
of energy. What that puts forth is

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the idea that of the importance of
self transcendence, which is exactly what you're

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talking about, which is the one
of the best ways we can achieve a

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state of vitality. And so when
it's both of us know that purpose is

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always about serving other people, so
we combine this notion of who do we

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want to help and how can we
uniquely serve them through our purpose? And

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now we've really got something pretty special. Yeah. Yeah, And I think

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you know, it takes a lot
of self awareness to get there. It

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takes a lot of pausing for a
second and really knowing that, you know,

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making your work matter is one of
the most important steps you can you

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can take to finding purpose in life
in general. And really, you know,

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I think so many people struggle,
and I'm sure you see this all

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the time in your work, struggle
in the workplace because they think that the

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promotion is going to make it better, or the when they finally the boss

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they don't like leaves, it's going
to be better, or find you know,

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when the company sold, it's going
to be better. That there's always

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something that's you know, going to
make it better. And they're not looking

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within, They're not looking like what
change can I make? How can I

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change my perspective? How can I
have a positive impact in what I'm doing?

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How can I see this work differently? And you know, I don't

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want anybody to read my book and
hear my message and think that the only

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answer is to leave. It's not
right. You know. There's a lot

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of people who go through my process
and they fall back in love with their

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hate. They see it in a
whole new light and they think, oh

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my gosh, I've been missing the
mark. There's so much I can do

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where I am, and that is
also just as beautiful for me to see,

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you know, than the person who
wants to take a leap of faith

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and do something different. So you
know, it's really all about perspective and

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seeing things differently. Tracy, that
is a beautiful way to close the show.

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We It's amazing the time evaporated with
you. This was beautiful. I'm

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so happy that I get to share
with my listeners and viewers. Thank you

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for being a guest. I'm working
on purpose. Well, thank you.

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I've loved every second of it.
Thank you. They're so welcome me too.

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Listeners, viewers. If you will
learn more about this amazing woman,

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Tracy Schubert Barrett, the work she
and her team do it navigate the journey

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or the book she has just got
out. What if there's more? Start

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by visiting her website. It's Tracy
Schubert Barrett. Let me spell that for

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you. So It's Tracy t r
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r T Barrett b a are Ett, Tracy Schubert, Barrett dot com.

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Last week even missed the live show
We Can Always Catch to be Reported recorded

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podcast. We were on Airwick Kent
Gregoire talking about the work he does,

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unleashing entrepreneurial spirit for good and anchored
at stakeholder capitalism Principles. Next week will

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be on the air with Steve Farrell
talking about his journey and how he co

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founded and led two high growth technology
companies in Silicon Valley and the way that

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he shares his journey from the pursuit
of wealth and traditional success toward a more

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fulfilling life of caring and service to
others. Will be conversing on his new

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book and new Universal Dream, my
journey from Silicon Valley to a life and

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service of a community. It will
be a perfect build on today's conversation with

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Tracy. See you there and remember
work is an essential part of our lives.

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Ultimately the way we spend our lives
and can be one of the best

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adventures and means of realizing our potential
and making the impact we crave. So

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let's Work on Purpose. We hope
you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure

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to tune into Working on Purpose,
featuring your host, doctor Elise Cortez,

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each week on W four CY.
Together we'll create a world where business operates

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conscientiously. Leadership inspires and passion performance, and employees are fulfilled in work that

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provides the meaning and purpose they crave. See you there, Let's work on Purpose.