What Will You Do with Your One Precious Life to Create a Legacy?

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world. Glad you're with us.
With us today is doctor Mark Munos.

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He is a tenurre full Professor of
Management and International Business at Milliken University.

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As terman and CEO of international management
consulting firm Munos and Associates International, he

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directs research and business development projects for
clients all over the world. In addition

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to publishing several articles and journals is
he has authored or co authored more than

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twenty books, including the one with
be talking about today Creating a business and

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personal legacy. You joyed today from
Decatur, Illinois. Doctor Munio is welcome

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to Working on Purpose. Hi,
thank you for having me today, Alice,

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you are so welcome. I want
to also call out and share that

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we were brought together because we were
both featured on the India Chamber of Commerce

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some months ago and that's how we
found each other. And of course it

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was sort of a gravitational poll to
one another. So it has to start

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with a course, I have to
ask why you became a professor and author,

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because I have a suspicion that's part
of the poll here. That's right.

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Well, I've spent about fifteen years
in industry prior to becoming an author,

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a professor and an author. You
know, I've had a career where

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I traveled in different parts of the
world and did all sorts of business,

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and just came a stage in my
life where I said, you know what,

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I have an MBA, I have
a PhD. Why didn't I just

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start giving back? You know,
why didn't I share my experiences and skills

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and help others learn and grow?
And so that motivated me to join the

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academ and to become a professor,
and eventually shortly after that I ended up

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starting to write books and yeah,
and hopefully over the years I've made some

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kind of impact both in both in
academ and in publishing. M Well,

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it's so interesting, right whatever we're
into each and of ourselves individually as human

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beings, it makes so much sense
to us, and we don't necessarily always

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understand why nobody else seems to get
this, and I love learning and growing

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too, and of course I devour
books on it. Like somebody said,

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you read books like I eat cookies, which I am love, right and

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so right for both of us,
learning and growing is really important, and

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I really appreciate that you've now spent
the last several years of your life dedicated

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to learning and growing and giving back
that same gift to others. Yeah,

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indeed, it's almost been twenty years. I think this year is going to

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be my twentieth year in the academ
Yeah, it's beautiful, it's beautiful.

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Well, well, of course,
when we first met, I think you

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would have easily gravitated to my space
of meaning and purpose. And then that's

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when you said, hey, I've
got I've got a new book out on

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legacy. I wonder if that would
be something worth chatting about on your show,

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And of course it is. So
you wrote it. You said to

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inspire people to live a life of
contribution, and of course I am completely

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with you on that urging people to
do So why is that important to you?

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Well, I think you know from
what I've seen in my travels and

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even in the academic setting, you
know, people have unique talents, abilities,

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resources, you know, and sometimes
some of them put them into good

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use and others don't. And my
thinking is, you know, we should

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have more and more people think about, you know, about their legacy and

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how do they really want to be
remembered. So the book is really more

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of a call to action to say, you know, don't just dream about

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your legacy, you know, pursue
it. You know, like you said

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where you're you know, we need
to think about we all have a purpose

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in life in some shape or form. I'm hoping that you know, this

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book and Legacy will inspire people to
really uncover their legacy and to take proactive

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ways to make an impact. Oh, Mark, So one of the great

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things that unites us is I and
I'll say more about this as we go

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on, but I wrote my first
book, Purpose Ignited, last It came

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out last last November, and it's
really about awakening. It's about a wakening

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passion and purpose. This next book
that I'm writing about is really about activating

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and much like you're talking about a
call to action. So we have that

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very much in common. And I
think one of the things that I found

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so fascinating about your book to really
help them. Along is your concept of

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memorial capacity. Would you explain what
that is and the five levels you talk

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about? Sure, you know,
I think you know. With regard to

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memorial capacity, I think there are
different ways by which different levels in which

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a person can be remembered, and
memorial capacity refers to the ability of an

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individual to be remembered in future generations. And in my view, there are

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five levels you know that exist.
Level one would be that of extraordinary memorial

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capacity. You know, those who
have made an impact, you know that

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that can be remembered over a thousand
years. So I'm thinking, you know,

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Jesus Christ, you know, would
be an example, or Sidharta.

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Gautama might be an example. And
then the second level two would be very

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high memorial capacity. So these are
people who are remembered for their accomplishments for

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a period of over five hundred years. So I'm thinking William Shakespeare or Rembrandt,

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and that there's a level three high
memorial capacity. You know, people

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who are remembered for over one hundred
years for their remarkable achievements. I'm thinking

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musicians, authors, businessmen, inventors, politicians. I'm thinking Abraham Lincoln would

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be an example. And then there's
level four moderate memorial capacity. These are

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you know, and well loved personalities
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you know, around fifty years or
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professionals and entrepreneurs or even family members
like grandparents, you know, so

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those those would be at level four. And then level five is low memorial

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capacity. Those individuals who after you
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not because they have you know,
lack of skills or lack of resources,

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but perhaps they didn't do as much
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the world. So I'm really you
know, in the book, I'm trying

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to encourage people to really try to
go up closer to but we may not

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all be level one and level two, but you know, go up a

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little bit higher maybe and look at
ways by which you could really make broader

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and more meaningful impact, you know, in the lives of others. I

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think that that typology is extremely useful, Mark because really helpful to expand beyond

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their own spear of understanding, influence, thinking, et cetera, to really

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consider what could they do, as
I like to say, with this one

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precious life, and what I find
is that one amount speaking on these kinds

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of topics and really trying to inspire
people to live their biggest, best,

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highest self and contribution. There's fear
of that. People are like, well,

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I'm okay the way that I am. You know, this is a

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nice life, et cetera. I'm
like, and yes it is, and

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will you be happy with that when
your day finally comes and you're no longer

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here. So I really appreciate how
you've given us this perspective on what we

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can do in our lives, that
we really do have this capacity to really

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make a difference, well beyond what
we what we think we can, so

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really appreciate just it's just crisp,
it's clear, it's accessible. So thank

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you for that. And then if
you would next along that same line,

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you also speak about five aspects of
legacy that I also think is useful.

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Can you paint those for us?
Certainly in the book I mentioned this,

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I gave you some serious thought that
said, you know, what are ways

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which people are really come up with
their legacy? And you know, and

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I broken down I identified five areas
by which you know legacy can be implemented

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and applied. The first one Uh
is theft? You know, Uh,

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what is the theft of the impact
that we're making. So for example,

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if you save one a life of
a person, you know, if you're

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a doctor or a nurse or you
know, you save a life or that's

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a deep impact. You know,
there's a the impact that you've made is

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deep and it has a lot of
theft. Uh. If you've educated a

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person, you know, the impact
is again quite deep. The second one

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is scale. How many lives have
you touched or impacted? So, for

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example, if you're a best selling
author whose books you know on self help

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has impacted the lives of so many
people and changed the course of their lives,

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that's a huge scale of impact.
You know. So if you're a

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humanitarian who's donated a lot of money
and and the money was used to you

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know, to find cure for malaria
or some other things, and provided inexpensive

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drugs in developing nations, that's a
huge scale of impact. And then we

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also think about scope. I think
there are individuals who have a legacy impact

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across different levels. So I'm thinking
of let's say, an actress who did

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an amazing job in the entertainment industry
is very well recognized, but at the

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same time she also maybe has donated
a lot of money you know in the

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art you know as that as a
favorite philanthropy. And then at the same

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time, this person might have taken
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you know, doing three different,
multiple things across different levels, I think

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broadens the scope of impact. So
there are those that apply legacy in that

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way. And then there's this time, you know, the element of time

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when did you start making an impact? So I'm thinking, you know,

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a person who has started perhaps you
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age of you know, maybe during
the teen teenage years and continue continuing it

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throughout their entire lives would have a
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to you know, to further their
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to make in the world. And
then there's inertia, you know, the

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kind of energy you put into into
your legacy. So there may be you

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know, somebody who was put in
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forward is her legacy compared to one
who has done it, you know,

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who puts in hundreds of hours a
month to do so, you know,

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could have very different results with the
kind of impact that they are achieving.

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So in my view, there's the
five ways by which to think about our

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legacies and how we're impacting the world, depth, scale, scope, time,

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and inertia mm hmm. So of
course has cginning of this titlement as

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well as designed to get us thinking
about in the ways that we can really

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access and peel back the layers of
legacy. And then finally you talk about

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pathways, or you describe eight pathways, if you could discuss those next,

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Yes, those eight uh, you
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legacy pathways, but for a purpose
of pravity and simplicity in the book,

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I picked eight uh. And the
idea is to really encourage people to think,

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you know, which which of these
might best fit them, you know,

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depending on their life situation and their
goals in life. So the first

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legacy pathway I've identified is financial legacy. So this could be you know,

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a person perhaps who has extra financial
resources and decide to to you know,

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use those resources to do philantrophic work
or to donate to certain charities would be

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an example, but I'm thinking of
more like Bill Gates, you know,

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who has built quite a fortune and
then sharing a lot of that eventually in

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a later stage of his life,
you know, on philanthropic work. So

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then there's also social social legacy,
you know, by finding ways by which

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interaction across people can be developed.
So I'm thinking, you know, maybe

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a person who created a web platform
that allow social interactions to happen in a

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profound way. So I'm thinking Facebook
and Mark Zuckerberg would be an example of

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a social legacy. But there are
also political legacies. You know, maybe

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a political leader or a president of
a country who suddenly, you know,

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came up with decisions that changed the
course of a nation. I'm thinking Abraham

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Lincoln as an example. And then
there's intellectual legacy. You know, an

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inventor who created a product that industrialized
the world, So I'm thinking Thomas Edison

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would be an example of that.
And then there's spiritual legacy, a person

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who initiated a revolutionary spiritual movement.
Maybe Martin Luther or Mother Theresa would fit

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in that category. And then there's
cultural legacy, an activist perhaps who inspired

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non violent civil disobedience, so I'm
thinking Mahatma Gandhi would be an example.

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Physical could be one where you use
your physical attributes and talented skills uh to

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be remembered by. And I'm thinking
maybe an Olympian who has won twenty eight

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gold medals and became the most decorated
Olympia in the world. I'm thinking Michael

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Phelps, you know, so those
kind of things, and Leslie historical.

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Maybe an explorer who uncovered another part
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history. So I'm thinking Christopher Columbus
would be an example. So these are

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pathways. There are different multiple legacy
pathways, different things that we could use

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to make our own impact in the
world. Beautifully illustrated, Mark, thank

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you so much. And listeners and
viewers, by the way, as you're

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listening to this, if any of
you are feeling like, oh my gosh,

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you're talking about leaving a legacy like
Jesus Christ or Martin Luther King or

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Mother Teresa, oh my gosh,
wow, that's a big step on the

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path. That's all we're asking here. This is an illuminative journey. This

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isn't this is this is an invitation
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I'm Elice Cortes, your host,
joining Uli from Dallas, Texas. We've

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working on purpose. Thanks to jaying
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on purpose. If you haven't heard
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share with you that I've got my
first book at I'm way behind you,

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Doctor Munos. But I've got my
first book out. It's called Purpose Ignited,

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How Inspiring Leaders Ignite Passion and a
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November. It was my pandemic Baby. I'm very happy to share that with

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you, and I really wrote it
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and purpose, So that's why I
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us if you're desjoining the program.
My guest is doctor Mark Munoz. He's

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a full He's a tenured full professor
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So at this point we wanted to
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those fictional stories that you wrote about
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do a beautiful job of helping readers
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for themselves. And stories are so
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book, Mark, I was just
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right, stories are the way to
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to presence and inspire the possibility of
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they they're memorable. I can remember
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what I want to get to here
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to walk away with by having read
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get? Yes, well, you
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I'd like to highlight three characters in
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again these are all fictional but plausible
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at this one stage in his lives
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Let me try to find a way
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a philanthropic cost that he was interested
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who was you know, into politics. It was a politician, but then

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he wanted to change the course of
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the Philippines. And then there was
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in London who created a software to
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intelligence. And so the takeaway really
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you know, everybody has their own
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everybody is in a position, you
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in some shape or form, you
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what their interests are, and the
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make. In this world. So
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make an impact. And I'm along
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all of us to do that right. And one of the things that I've

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really gotten present to, especially in
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every single last one of us needs
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find whatever talents and gifts that we
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we need that desperately. We need
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we all want to live in.
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best to make that happen. And
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appreciated about your book is that you
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purpose and mission, which is of
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about, and what I'm talking about
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your perspective, is legacy important to
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I think we all have a purpose
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and we all have some seeds of
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to make a positive difference in our
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When we don't accomplish what we're set
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know, and I feel that we're
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what we're set to do. Uh, you know, we feel like we're

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lost. So i'd like to you
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it's important, of course to be
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like to take the conversation further and
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how do we really want to be
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your legacy? Uh? And I
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you know, and thinking about you
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is I think one way by which
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and a renewed sense of fulfillment.
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therapist, of course, as doctor
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what I know is that when we
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the existential vacuum, which is where
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find ways to amuse themselves to fill
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unless we could find a way to
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world, which is of course what
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course, one of the things that
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easy to read and easy to digest, is you actually talk about a plan.

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You talk about that some key aspects
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you share at least a few of
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and our viewers starting down that path. Yeah, I think a common mistake

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about in legacies that you know,
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the problem. You know. We
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in life and all that. And
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let's stop this pass. Let's give
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pursue our legacy the way we pursue
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you start a business, we plan, right, We're supposed to create a

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business plan where we look at the
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mission, we look at the marketing
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the financial side, we prepare,
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you think about legacy and you think
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about things. You know, I
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look at the different angles, different
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make sure that it's successfully executed.
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to make sure that you talk about
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know, and I talk about this
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that you know, it's it helps
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the process of aiming, of strategizing, of planning, I mean to plan

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to be of service, plan to
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it's not And this is really important. I thought about this as I was

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crafting the conversation for the show.
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as being a byproduct to really being
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planning to matter is important from my
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people to do that. So one
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in your book that's related to this
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importance of creativity. Say more about
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noted that in business and even in
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of the box thinking. It's innovative
and creative approaches really lead to amazing results,

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you know, and so the same
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when we're you know, for example, if a company you know or executive

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and a company besides to all right, let me try to create a artificial

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intelligence product that will help farming,
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to be used in expensively by farmers
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we suddenly, you know, out
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can now be implemented and used by
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creative thinking to really make an impact
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things that most of us have gotten
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year now is that if we've learned
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get things done right and things that
maybe we're always there, but we just

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couldn't see them. And so I
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add on to what you talk about
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really looking, you know, like
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I mean, what does that view
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we just do things a little bit
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different to us. And I just
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to really think about that, that
there really are a multitude number of ways

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to get things done, but most
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autopilot and that's what we already know
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years, and that's so limiting.
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about the importance of harnessing that creativity. Anything else do you want to add

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to that? I think, uh, I think we really again be intentional

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in being creative and understand that,
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new doors and new perspectives. And
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your view of you know, looking
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and I think would be a good
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really know because of my research is
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all want to know that we don't
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nobody notices that we are here,
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big, important part of that is
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one of the things that I really
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engaging others. And for some of
us, myself included, that does not

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come naturally. Right. I love
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I love teamwork, but it's not
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our strategic plan. Yeah, you
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at least, one of the things
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only do so much by pursuing our
legacy plans alone. So an analogy I

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would use is, you know somebody
who's just roaming a canoe by himself or

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herself, but if you have four
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you'll go farther faster. So the
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we got to find ways by which
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to do it, to join us
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engage you know, many other stakeholders. You know, for example,

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if you are you know, your
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know, maybe you could engage suppliers, sponsors, the government, academ you

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know, broaden the scope of engagement
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people rowing that cano with you,
you know, and taking your legacy dreams

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forward in a faster and more efficient
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I just have to shime in as
a Gallop certified strengths coach. And so

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this is where the idea of listeners
and viewers. If you're like, well,

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you know, yeah, I'm really
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really good at execution one or the
other, Well, that's where you bring

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to other people who have other skills
and strengths and tells that you don't have.

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I am really good. I used

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to be really really good at really
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years I've taught myself more to create
and think and cogitate but when I really

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get stuck and I don't know how
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my friends, my strategic thinking friends
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can't, and I borrow them and
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you bring those people that want to
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bring that game and ball over the
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to really create this. So I
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that there's absolutely nothing wrong with you
needing and wanting other people to be involved.

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In fact, really to really make
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talking about, You're probably absolutely going
to need that. Anything else you want

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to say about that, doctor Munihou, yes, sal Is yes. You

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know, just like in a company, when you do a startup, you

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will hire maybe an accountant, you
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skill sets that you don't necessarily have. And so again, having different talent

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on board can help steal some of
the implementation gaps that you might have and

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could heighten the chances of the success
of your legacy project. Excellent and beautiful.

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I want to talk more about the
implementation piece. That's the next piece

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we're going to tackle. But let's
grab our last and final break. I'm

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a Last Cortez, your host.
You're on the doctor Mark Munya, who's

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the chairman and CEO of International Management
Consulting from Munno's and Associates International, where

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he directs research and business development projects
for clients all over the world. He

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is also a prolific author of over
twenty books and articles that he has written

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or co authored. Stay with us. After the break, we're going to

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talk about that little persnikety implementation issue. Stay with us. We'll be right

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back. Doctor Elise Cortes is a
management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose and

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inspirational speaker and author. She helps
companies visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and

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develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused
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your organization, please visit her at
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on Purpose. Thanks for staying with
us, and welcome back to Working on

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Purpose. I'm doctor Elise Cortes,
your host. Another thing I want to

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share with you, if you haven't
learned this already by being listening to the

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programs, is also during the pandemic, I launched Gusto now, which is

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an e learning platform, which is
where I've been able to host my vitally

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inspired Living and Leading from Purpose program. And because I love languages now we're

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also doing that in Spanish and Portuguese. You can get a discount actually as

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a listener by using WOP twenty.
That's a twenty percent discount when you start

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with one of our classes. So
you see you there. It's great job,

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so fun if you're just joining us. My guest today from Dicator,

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Illinois doctor Mark Munos. He's a
ten year full professor of management and International

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business at Milcan University. And we
were talking before about the importance of implementation,

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right, So it's one thing to
have a really great idea, but

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where the Robbert really needs the roads
to make it happen. So you talk

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about implementation in your book, say
more about that. Yes, really,

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execution is key. So great legacy
ideas can be implemented in the wrong way

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or at the wrong time. So
therefore, you know, really planning ahead,

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thinking about the timing, preparing for
it, I think would be a

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good way forward. So we need
to prepare a well well thought out plan

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to implement our legacy to really make
the impact that we really want, is

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what I'm thinking, Alice, and
I think again back to our previous points,

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you're probably going to need some help
to actually really fully bake that out.

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If you're not used to creating a
strategic plan. Again, get some

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help. There's nothing wrong with asking
for help. In fact, most of

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us who recognize that we can't do
it alone do it all the time.

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Hi can you help me? Hi? What's your name? Can you help

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me? I've gotten really good at
that myself. And then, of course

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the next thing that you talk about, and this is so important, is

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to stay at the course, stay
with it, don't give up on it,

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because the going will absolutely get tough. Yeah, definitely, you know,

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any initiative, legacy planning included will
have obstacles to success. You know,

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there's no easy route when pursuing groundbreaking
and impactful initiatives. I would really

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recommend staying the course even when the
going gets rough, you know, and

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the timing may not be great at
the moment. But with perseverance, you

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know, legacy goals can be achieved
down the road. Patients, perseverance I

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think would be important too. Yeah, and again I want to go back

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in presence. I mean, what
we're talking about here, listeners and viewers

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is really it's big stuff. It's
heavy stuff, and it's that thing that

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we're both asking you to do is
to stretch beyond yourself and be a bigger

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service to the world than you think
you maybe can be today. It's the

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stretch that matters, and actually there's
actually life in this stretch. That's what

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I would tell you as a logo
therapist is even if you don't actually make

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your plan come entirely true, the
stretch and reach are more will actually give

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you more likelihood that you'll get there
and you'll be more alive in the process.

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So just really want to encourage you
to do this, right, to

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consider this. This is needy stuff, but this is where this is the

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essence of life. So that's why
I wanted to have doctor Munoz on the

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show. Is what he's talking about
is really important, and he's written something

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that makes it much more accessible for
you to get there than maybe what it

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sounded like on the outside of the
show. So my two cents on that.

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Now, let's talk about planning your
legacy. You actually talk us through

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a few of if you would,
to the extent that you can. You

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talk about eight areas people need to
take into consideration as they consider their current

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and accessible resources for these. Can
you presence some of those? We should

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have time for most of them if
you can get to them. Yeah,

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definitely. So we have all you
know, different pathways and different resources.

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So when we think about legacy,
uh, you know, uh, let's

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say financial legacy as a start.
You know, let's look at that as

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an example. U. There are
key questions we need to think about and

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how we can execute this well.
So you might want to think about how

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much resources do I have at the
moment, you know, how can I

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leverage these resources to make an impact? We want to think about what other

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resources do I need to attract?
Who would benefit from these resources the most

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and what should I prioritize and what
should be the impact? So, you

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know, giving it some really strategic
thinking behind. Putting some strategic thinking behind

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it could help you, you know, really push the envelope on. With

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regard to these legacy plans, Let's
talk about a little bit about social legacy.

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So, you know, the key
questions to ask yourself would be what

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is the current state of my social
capital, how can it be enhanced?

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What partnerships and alliances can be helpful
in helping me move this forward? So

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those kind of you know, strategic
questions that will help you think and refine

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your implementation I think is going to
be important. And then as another example

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would be intellectual legacy for example,
so we can think about what is my

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intellectual strength? You know, how
can I leverage the strength to make an

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impact? What training, development and
resources do I further need to get this

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done right? You know, who
should I partner with? You know,

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who should I talk to? Who
should I ask as you mentioned earlier,

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and of course what should I really
focus on to make the biggest, deepest,

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the most impactful, uh, you
know, way forward? So those

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are some things to kind of think
about with regard to legacy planning excellent.

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And I also appreciate Mark that you
what by asking those questions already out of

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the gate, what you're doing for
people who are reading your book or listening

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to us today is taking them outside
of whatever they know today and stepping into

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another remot possibility. And that's of
course where so much, so much mystery

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and magic happens. And so I
really want new listeners and viewers to listen

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to those questions because they're very powerful
to help you step out of whatever limitations

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or restrictions that you think you have
today. Really important. Okay, so

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you know that I can't not have
you on my radio show and talk about

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legacy without asking you what yours is? What are you crafting for yourself?

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You knew that you were not going
to be able to escape without asking getting

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asked that question? Right, I
found that was coming. Yeah, it's

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coming. It's inevitable. So what
do you, doctor Munus, What kind

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of legacy are you about to leave? Oh? Well, all right,

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I think it's actually some thought too
at the conclusion of the book, You

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know, Alice, I think I'm
leaving behind an intellectual legacy out of the

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different types that I mentioned as I've
been an educator for almost years now,

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and uh, and I'm hoping that, you know, the lessons I taught

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in the classroom, uh, the
skill sets I've taught to students will be

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remembered and we will be put to
good use and uh, you know,

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could help them grow and maybe become
better persons down the road, uh and

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successful people down the road. And
I'm hoping that as an author, the

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books that I've written can help you
people again be educated and to live better

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lives as well. Uh. And
you know, and hopefully, uh,

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these efforts you know, in teaching
and writing would be in my own small

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way, my legacy as well.
So and this book, out of all

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the books that I've written, uh, this has been my personal favorite.

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You know, many of the books
that I wrote are really written from the

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brain rather than anything else. This
book, I felt, I just let

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it flow. There was no very
little. There's some research, but not

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as much as the others. So
this was written from the heart and what

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I really felt like a message I
wanted to convey, you know, to

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my readers and hopefully in some way
change their lives and help encourage them to

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make an impact on the lives of
others too. That's delicious and right up

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my alley of course. As you
know. So I want to present something

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for our listeners and what you just
did there at DOCUMENTOS that's really really important.

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I didn't ask the question, not
right, why is this important?

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But you answered it. And what
I would have to clean underneath that is

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that you have a there's some values
that are present there for you. So

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I would say that you value learning, growing, intellectual endeavor, contribution.

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Is any of that right? Oh? Absolutely, yes, okay, okay.

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So this is why this is important
for us to talk about, especially

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from the vanished point of as I
said before, about that there's actually meaning

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to be registered in the pursuit of
giving and leaving this legacy. So for

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you listeners and viewersho've not heard me
say this before, I'm going to share

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with you because we've got some time
to do this. There are from a

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logo therapeutic vantage point, there's three
sources of meaning that we have available to

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us all the time as human beings. And by the way, according to

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logo therapy and I would agree with
this, our number one pursuit in life

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is meaning. That's what we're all
out to get and be into experience is

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meaning. So these three sources of
meaning, and doctor Munos, you just

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spoke to them, although maybe not
intentionally, but I can use your story

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now as a way to teach is
that the first source of meaning that we

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have access to is creative, our
creative values, our creative contributions, and

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that's what we give of ourselves to
the world. But the reason that becomes

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meaningful is because we value that which
we contribute. So if I contribute,

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for example, I could contribute it
pretty fantastically typewritten manuscript written by someone else

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that would not be meaningful to me
because I didn't create it from myself.

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I did it. I have a
talent that I used to be able to

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bring somebody else's work to the world
that wouldn't be valuable or meaningful for me.

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So the first one that creative.
Then I translate that to passion.

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So what I hear in your work, doctor Munhoz, is you are passionate

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about creating this legacy that allows you
to express your own intellectual abilities and your

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capacity to learn and grow in such
a way that it, secondarily to the

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next source, inspires others. Okay, so then Our second source of meaning

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is those experiences and encounters that are
meaningful, that again that align with our

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value system, that reaised for us
as meaningful. And so this experience alone,

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for me is an inspiration because you've
given something to me, doctor Muneis.

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By reading your book and by sharing
with my listeners, you gave me

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an experience that's meaningful to me.
And so what I would say is that

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you, being an author and a
speaker and what you're doing across the world

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with your consulting is a way for
you to inspire others to come along with

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you, to create their legacy and
to live it. So that's the experiential

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inspirational vein. And then the last
source of meaning is attitudinal and that's the

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stance that we as individuals take against
anything that confronts us in life. And

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we always have the freedom and the
responsibility to choose that attitude. And that's

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of course the mindset piece. So
I hear you. You said the beginning

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of the show that you had spent
several years in industry in the last twenty

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years now in academia, and so
you're you've chosen this path to make the

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difference. Through this path, that
is an attitudal choice. So, now

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that I've said those three sources of
meaning, I've just been curious how that

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lended for you. What did you
get from your own experience in this legacy

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that you're out to create. Well, one is that the insight I gathered

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alicis I'm glad I took this path. Yeah, I feel happy, and

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uh, you know if I did
not. You know, I do multiple

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things that I do business, I
write, and and and I teach,

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and so there are different pathways by
which I try to make an impact in

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others lives, and and all of
them make me happy. And I could

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I couldn't uh uh do you know
just ignore one? You know, there

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00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.840
it has to somewhat come together.
All these three are happening simultaneously, and

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they all bring me some level of
joy. And I think the convergence of

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these three allow me to kind of, you know, make a unique contribution,

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perhaps because there are things that I
could say in the classroom that were

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you know, developed from my business
experiences. And there are things in my

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in my business that I could take
from what I've learned in the classroom,

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and they're you know, obviously in
my books, there are experiences from both

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areas that I could bring together.
So although it wasn't intention, I just

591
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followed my interest and what I was, you know, I felt passionate about

592
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and then and then use them in
some way to help others. I think

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that's kind of where it all is, and hopefully that's the way I will

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be remembered as well. M So
a last week on the radio, so

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we talked with Brandon Peel, who
is a purpose guide and he also does

596
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:28.159
this really amazing thing where which he
and I are aligning on, where he

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00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.840
talks about, you know, the
the awareness of the cosmos and that there

598
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:36.679
is this interactivity between all beings and
the cosmos, which I completely align on

599
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.679
and part of my next book will
address that as well. And so what

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I when you talk about what you
just said there, docum window, is

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what I hear at work is what
I would call the divining rod at work

602
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.400
right, which I you know,
it worked in my life too, where

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I just followed. When we when
we're really clear about who we are,

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and we're obedient to that which is
arising within us, that which is called

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00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.119
and whispering in our ears saying hey, do this, this is important to

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you. It's when we ignore that
when I is when I think we get

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00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:07.800
ourselves into trouble and we lose the
anchor to fulfillment and purpose and meaning.

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So what I hear you say is
that you were you were just obedient to

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that internal source, whatever that is
for you. Alice, you are spot

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00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.519
on, and it's it's just mind
bobbling. You really got it. I

611
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:27.800
mean, it's that that's really the
truth. It seems like I'm just obeying

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00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.559
orders. I'm just following what I'm
supposed to do. In fact, Alice,

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you know this book, uh,
you know, creating a personal and

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business legacy. There were three instances
where this book may not have happened.

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You know, there were and all
of these instances just melted. You know,

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there were the roadblocks, and then
it just melted away. You know,

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a roadblock, it just melted.
It's just you know, and then

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a publisher just supported it. I
wasn't so short it was gonna be books.

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Some said it was too short,
some said, you know it was

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uh it was not right there there, Alley, because it wasn't exactly business.

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It was a little bit different from
from my typical publishers. But then

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I found the right publishers. You
know what, when we're thinking about developing

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employees and and looking at their you
know, career development, this is a

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perfect book. So you know,
uh, it just it just so upened

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and and it just made me understand
at that point in time that this book

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was meant to be. And it's
uh, you know, it's hopefully you

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know, you know what what I
when I write books, Alice, it's

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a lot of work, as you
know. Uh, but at the end

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of the day, my my thinking
is if my book just impacts one life,

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just one, I'd be very very
happy and I feel very very fulfilled,

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you know. And but as you
said, I'm just obeying orders.

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Yeah, and so two things.
That's so beautiful what you just presenced.

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And I want you to listen,
listeners and viewers that you noticed what happened

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when you share that, how you
could just see him his whole soul was

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coming through what he was saying.
That's what that's just it's so beautiful to

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witness when when you're working from passion
and purpose, that's what it looks like,

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that's what it feels like, and
it's there's so much we can do

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from that. And so that whole
notion of just being pure and true to

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what it is trying to come through
you. To give that to the world,

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that's the gift. And so I
just want to say thank you for

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honoring that doctumu, and thank you
are we are the beneficiaries of that.

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Because you followed through and you listen
to that, and you were obedient,

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and you did the hard work and
persevered and implemented and followed it through.

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We now are the beneficiaries of that. So thank you for following your heart

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and your spirit and your soul and
your purpose. Thank you for you're added

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00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:47.000
insights, Alison, bringing clarity to
some of these You know, at times,

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you know, I'm not so sure
and how it happened or why it

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happened. But I think your insights
today just kind of enlightened me quite a

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bit and said, you know,
maybe I love to be reading your book

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too. I think there's just so
much synergy between what we're doing. Yeah,

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I do too. And again,
you know, we were paying attention,

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we thought we were obedient to this
internal debinding around and here we are

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together and we created something that didn't
exist before. And I'm grateful that you

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got some new insights. I love
doing that with people. It is part

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of my gift and I appreciate that
you took it and the contributed contributive spirit

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in which I intended it. So
thank you for that. And here we

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are already at the end of the
show. I don't know how fast.

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It just always evaporates, especially when
we're having fun. So you know,

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doctor Munoz, that this show is
listened to by people across the globe,

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and we're all in it really to
try to help create environments where people can

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experience that meeting in their lives and
their work, and where inspirational leaders make

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a difference to people and we help
raise the bar business. Having said that,

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what do we leave our listeners with
today, Well, Alice, I

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think you know, whatever a role
is in society. Wherever in the world

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we are, we all have talents, we have interests, we have resources

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that would enable us to make an
important and lasting impact on society. We

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can do this in a personal level
or even in a corporate level. We

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00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.480
are all in a position to make
a difference. And at times, you

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know, there are people who watch
things happen and there are people who make

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things happen. So I would encourage
everybody to make an effort to make things

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happen, to pursue their legacy dreams
and make it a reality. And I

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would like to, you know,
to encourage everyone to do it as soon

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as possible, as early as possible. And I'm fairly sure that if you

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do that, then you would find
a new sense of happiness and a renewed

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sense of fulfillment. Thank you,
Alice. Oh my gosh, what a

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delicious way to finish the show.
Doc to Mrinyos, thank you so very

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much for sharing your heart, your
soul, and your purpose with us today.

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For our listeners who might want to
contact you, what's the best website

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for them to visit and ultimately find
you through? Oh, they could find

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me at the Melican University website www
dot Millican m I L L I k

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I m dot edu. Do a
search for doctor Minows. You'll find me

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excellent. I think that some people
will want to foll up with this conversation.

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Thank you so much for joining us
today last week. If you missed

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the show live, you can always
catch up. We record a podcast.

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We're on the air with Brandon Peel, a purpose guide and the author of

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Planet on Purpose. Your guide to
genuine prosperity, authentic leadership, and a

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better world. We talked about some
of the science behind purpose, why it

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works, and even looked at the
purpose of the United States and other nations

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as they re evaluate why they're here. Fascinating, very very meaty conversation.

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Next week, we'll be on the
air with Robert White talking about his book

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Living an Extraordinary Extraordinary Life and hit
what he's learned by his thirty years in

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the personal effective effectiveness training business.
See you there, a number that works

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at least or third of our life. So let's work on purpose. We

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hope you've enjoyed this week's program.
Be sure to tune in to Working on

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Purpose, featuring your host, doctor
Elise Cortes, each week on the Voice

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America Empowerment Channel. Together, we'll
create a world where business operates conscientiously,

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leadership inspires impassioned performance, and employees
are fulfilled in work that provides the meaning

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and purpose they crave. See you
there, Let's work on Purpose.