What Will You Do with Your One Precious Life to Create a Legacy?

What's working on purpose anyway? Each week we ponder the answer to this question. People ache for meaning and purpose at work, to contribute their talents passionately and know their lives really matter. They crave being part of an organization that inspires them and helps them grow into realizing their highest potential. Business can be such a force for good in the world, elevating humanity. In our program, we provide guidance and inspiration to help usher in this world we all want Working on purpose. Now. Here is your host, Doctor Elise Cortez. Hi there, welcome back to the Working on Purpose program. If fortune in again this week, great to have you. I'm your host, Doctor Elise Cortez during your Life from Dallas, Texas, which is home based for me Wave introduction of my management consultants specializing in meaning and purpose, organizational logo therapist, inspirational speaker, social scientist and author. There are many ways we can work together. You can find me at a lease coortest dot com or Gusto dashnow dot com. Learn how we can do that. I've also created some free download resources for you at both of those sites. If you've been tuning in for a while, you know this program is a thought leadership platform that enlightens and inspires listeners and viewers with insights from distinguished business leaders, authors and subject matter experts. By listening in, you're part of the movement to create inspirational leaders and enlivening workplaces where we can thrive and do business that betters the world. Glad you're with us. With us today is doctor Mark Munos. He is a ten year full professor of Management and International Business at Melikan University. As tourman and CEO of international management consulting firm Munyos and Associates International, he directs research and business development projects for clients all over the world. In addition to publishing several articles and journals is he has authored or co authored more than twenty books, including the one with Talking about Today Creating a Business in Personal Legacy. You join today from Decatur, Illinois. Doctor Munio is welcome to Working on Purpose. Hi, thank you for having me today, Alice, you are so welcome. I want to also call out and share that we were brought together because we were both featured on the India Chamber of Commerce some months ago and that's how we found each other. And of course it was sort of a gravitational poll to one another. So it has to start with a course, I have to ask why you became a professor and author, because I have a suspicion that's part of the poll here. That's right. Well, I've spent about fifteen years in industry, you know, prior to becoming an author, a professor and an author. You know, I've had a career where I traveled in different parts of the world and did all sorts of business, and just came a stage in my life where I said, you know what, I have an MBA, I have a PhD. Why didn't I just start giving back? You know, why didn't I share my experiences and skills and help others learn and grow? And so that motivated me to join the academ and to become a professor, and eventually shortly after that I ended up starting to write books and yeah, and hopefully over the years I've made some kind of impact both in both in academ and in publishing. M Well, it's so interesting, right whatever we're into each and each and of ourselves individually as human beings, it makes so much sense to us, and we don't necessarily always understand when nobody else seems to get this. And I love learning and growing too, and of course I devour books on it. Like somebody said, you read books like I eat cookies, which I am love, right and so right for both of us, learning and growing is really important, and I really appreciate that you've now spent the last several years of your life dedicated to learning and growing and giving back that same gift to others. Yeah, indeed, it's almost been twenty years. I think this year is going to be my twentieth year in the academ Yeah, it's beautiful, it's BEAUTIFU Well, well, of course when we first met, I think you would have easily gravitated to my space of meaning and purpose. And then that's when you said, hey, I've got I've got a new book out on legacy. I wonder if that would be something worth chatting about on your show, And of course it is. So you wrote it. You said to inspire people to live a life of contribution, and of course I am completely with you on that urging people to do So why is that important to you? Well, I think you know from what I've seen in my travels and even in the academic setting, you know, people have unique talents, abilities, resources, you know, and sometimes some of them put them into good use and others don't. And my thinking is, you know, we should have more and more people think about, you know, about their legacy and how do they really want to be remembered. So the book is really more of a call a call to action, to say, you know, don't just dream about your legacy, you know, pursue it, you know, like you said, or you're you're you know, we need to think we all have a purpose in life in some shape or form. I'm hoping that you know, this book and Legacy will inspire people to really uncover their legacy and to take proactive ways to make an impact. Oh, Mark, So one of the great things that unites us is and I'll say we're about this as we go on. But I wrote my first book, Purpose Ignited, last It came out last November, and it's really about a weakening. It's about a weakening passion and purpose. This next book that I'm writing about is really about activity and much like you're talking about a call to action. So we have that very much in common. And I think one of the things that I found so fascinating about your book. To really help them along, is your concept of memorial capacity? Would you explain what that is and the five levels you talk about? Sure, you know, I think you know. With regard to memorial capacity, I think there are different ways by which different levels in which a person can be remembered, and memorial capacity refers to the ability of an individual to be remembered in future generations. And in my view, there are five levels you know that exist. Level one would be that of an extraordinary memorial capacity. You know, those who have made an impact. You know that that can be remembered over a thousand years. So I'm thinking, you know, Jesus Christ, you know, would be an example, or Sidharta Gatama might be an example. And then the second level two would be very high memorial capacity. So these are people who are remembered for their accomplishments for a period of over five hundred years. So I'm thinking William Shakespeare or Rembrandt, you know. And there's a level three high memorial capacity, you know, people who are remembered for over one hundred years for their remarkable achievements. I'm thinking musicians, authors, businessman, inventors, politicians. I'm thinking Abraham Lincoln would be an example. And then there's level four moderate memorial capacity. Uh, these are you know, shell and well loved personalities who continue to be in people's minds for you know, around forty year fifty years or so. So I'm thinking, you know, professionals and prepreneurs or even family members like grandparents, you know, so those those would be at level four. And then level five is low memorial capacity, those individuals who after, you know, shortly after their passing are forgotten, not because they have you know, lack of skills or lack of resources, but perhaps they didn't do us much and trying to make an impact in the world. So I'm really you know, in the book, I'm trying to encourage people to really try to go up closer to but we may not all be leveled one and level two, but you know, go up a little bit higher maybe and look at ways by which you could really make broader and more meaningful impact, you know, in the lives of others. I think that the typology is extremely useful work because it really helpsable to expand beyond their own sphere of understanding, influence, thinking, etc. To really consider what could they do as I like to say, with this one precious life. And what I find is that when I'm out speaking on these kinds of topics and really trying to inspire people to live their biggest, best, highest self and contributions, there's fear of that. People are like, well, I'm okay the way that I am. You know, this is a nice life, et cetera. I'm like, and yes it is. And will you be happy with that when your day finally comes and you're no longer here. So I really appreciate how you've given us this perspective on what we can do in our lives, that we really do have this capacity to really make a difference, well beyond what we think we can, so really appreciate it's just crisp, it's clear, it's accessible. So thank you for that. And then if you would next along that same line, you also speak about five aspects of legacy that I also think is useful. Can you paint those for us? Crittly? In the book I mentioned, I gave you some serious thought that say, you know, what are ways which people really come up with their legacy? And you know, and I broken down identified five areas by which you know legacy can be implemented and applied. The first one, uh is deft. You know, what is the depth of the impact that we're making. So for example, if you save one a life of a person, you know, if you're a doctor or a nurse, or you know, if you save a life or that's a deep impact. You know, there's a the impact that you've made is deep and it has a lot of deft. If you've educated a person, you know, the impact is again quite deep. The second one is scale. How many lives have you touched or impacted? So, for example, if you're a best selling author whose books you know on self help has impacted the lives of so many people and changed the course of their lives, that's a huge scale of impact. You know. So if you're a humanitarian who's donated a lot of money and and the money was used to you know, to find cure for malaria or some other things, and provided inexpensive drugs in developing nations, that's a huge scale of impact. And then we also think about scope. I think there are individuals who have a legacy impact across different levels. So I'm thinking of let's say an actress who did an amazing job in the entertainment industry and is very well recognized. But at the same time she also maybe has donated a lot of money, you know in the art, you know, as that is a favorite philanthropy. And then at the same time, this person might have taken the lead in fighting world hunger. So you know, doing three different, multiple things across different levels, I think broadens the scope of impact. So there are those that apply legacy in that way. And then there's this time, you know, the element of time, when did you start making an impact? So I'm thinking, you know, a person who has started perhaps you know, doing political activism at the age of you know, maybe during the teen teenage years and continue continuing it throughout their entire lives would have a lot of time that they would put in, uh to know, to further their you know, the impact that they want to make in the world. And then there's inertia, you know, the kind of energy you put into into your legacy. So there may be you know, somebody who has put in maybe an hour or two a month to forward is or her legacy compared to one who has done it, you know, who puts in hundreds of hours a month to do so, you know, could have very different results with the kind of impact that they are achieving. So in my view, there's these five ways by which to think about our legacies and how we're impacting the world, depth, scale, scope, time, and inertia. Of course, it's beginning of this segment Ability decided to get us thinking about the ways that we can really access and peel back to layers of legacy. And then finally you talk about pathways, or you describe eight pathways if you could discuss those next, Yes, those eight uh. They're actually perhaps more than eight legacy pathways, but for a purpose of previty and simplicity in the book eight uh. And the idea is to really encourage people to think, you know, which which of these might best fit them, you know, depending on their life situation and their goals in life. So the first legacy pathway I've identified is financial legacy. So this could be you know, a person perhaps who has extra financial resources and decide to to you know, use those resources to do philanthropic work or to donate to certain charities would be an example. But I'm thinking more like Bill Gates, you know, who has built bite a fortune and then sharing a lot of that eventually in a later stage of his life, you know, on philanthropic work. So and then there's also social social legacy, you know, by finding ways by which interaction across people can be developed. So I'm thinking, you know, maybe a person who created a web platform that allowed social interactions to happen in a profound way. So I'm taking Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg would be an example of a social legacy. But they're also political legacies. You know, maybe a political leader or a president of a country who suddenly, you know, came up with decisions that changed the course of a nation. I'm thinking Abraham Lincoln as an example. And then there's intellectual legacy. You know, an inventor who created a product that industrialized the world. So I'm thinking Thomas Edison would be an example of that. And then there's spiritual legacy, a person who initiated a revolutionary spiritual movement. Maybe Martin Luther or Mother Theresa would fit in that category. And then there's cultural legacy, an activist perhaps who inspired non violent civil disobedience, So I'm thinking Mama Gandhi would be an example. Physical could be one where you use your physical attributes and talents and skills to be remembered by. And I'm thinking maybe an Olympian who has won twenty eight gold medals and became the most decorated Olympian in the world. I'm thinking Michael Phelps, you know, so those kind of things. And lastlie historical, maybe an explorer who uncovered another part of the world or changed the course of history. So I'm thinking Christopher Columbus would be an example. So these are these are pathways. There are different multiple legacy pathways, different things that we could use to make our own impact in the world. Beautifully illustrated, Mark, thank you so much. And listeners and viewers, by the way, as you're listening to this, if any of you are feeling like, oh my gosh, you're talking about leaving a legacy like Jesus Christ or Martin Luther King or Mother Teresa, oh my gosh, wow, that's big step on the path. That's all we're asking here. This is an illuminative journey. This is this is an invitation for you to step into what I call step into your shine and give your very very best. This is what this conversation is about. And on that note, let's grab our first break. I'm Elise Cortez, your host, joining you live from Dallas, Texas. We've been in the air with doctor make Doctor Mark Muno is talking about the importance of the legacy seeing with us. We'll be right back. Doctor Elise Cortez is a management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational speaker and author. She helps companies visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to at a lease to speak to your organization, please visit her at Elise Cortez dot com. Let's talk about how to get your employees working on purpose. This is working on Purpose with doctor Elise Cortez. To reach our program today or open a conversation with Elise and send an email to Elise ali Se at Elise Cortez dot com. Now back to working on Purpose. Thanks for jay with us, and welcome back to working on Purpose. If you haven't heard me say this, I'm very excited to share with you that I've got my first book out. I'm way behind you, doctor Munos, but I've got my first book out. It's called Purpose Ignited, How Inspiring Leaders Ignite Passion and Elite Cause. It came out of November. It was my pandemic Baby. I'm very happy to share that with you, and I really wrote it to turn readers onto their passion, inspiration and purpose, So that's why I wrote it. It's something for all of us if you're just joining the program. My guest is doctor Mark Munos. He's a full He's a tenured full professor of Management and International Business at Millikan University. So at this point we wanted to get into really moving into more of those fictional stories that you wrote about in your book, which I really think do a beautiful job of helping readers get access to what this could look like for themselves. And stories are so powerful. Right as I was reading your book, Mark, I was just like, Oh, this is brilliant, right, stories are the way to go. And you wrote eight fictional stories to presence and inspire the possibility of legacy for the readers. And of course they they are memorable. I can remember sever of them already. So I guess what I want to get to and here is what do you most want your readers to walk away with by having read those stories. What do you hope they get? Yes, Well, you know, as you read a book, I'd like to highlight three characters in the book, Jack Wilson. You know again these they're all fictional but plausible scenarios. Well, the individual who suddenly, at this one stage in his life set enough is enough. I made enough money, Let me try to find a way to make a global impact and found a philanthropic costs that he was interested in. And then there's Philip court Gomez who was you know, into politics. He was a politician, but then he wanted to change the course of politics in a country, in that case the Philippines. And then there was a case of Heavy Roberts, a student in London who created a software to try to mitigate the negative influences of artificial intelligence. And so the takeaway really I wanted to show through these stories is, you know, everybody has their own talent, skills and abilities, and everybody is in a position, you know, to make some sort of impact in some shape or form, you know, depending on where they're strong at, where what their interests are, and the kind of change that they want to make. In this world. So it's not just we're a handful of people. You know, anybody can, as long as they're willing, can really make an impact. And I'm alongside of you, Mark, I'm imploring all of us to do that right. One of the things that I've really gotten present too, especially in this pandemic, is I really believe that every single last one of us needs to reach deep within to be able to find whatever talents and gifts that we have and bring them to the world because we need that desperately. We need to be able to create the world that we all want to live in. It takes each one of us bringing our best tis to make that happen. And so one of the things that I also appreciate about your book is that you talk about how legacy needs to align with purpose and mission, which is of course when you just sort of started talking about and what I'm talking about, but same word about that. Why from your perspective, is legacy important to align with purpose and mission? Yeah? I think we all have a purpose and mission in life, you know, and we all have some seeds of goodness in our hearts, and we want to make a positive difference in our world. In some shape or form. When we don't accomplish what we're set to do, we become unhappy, you know, and I feel that we're you know, we're when we're not really accomplishing what we're said to do. Uh, you know, we feel like we're lost. So i'd like to you know, that's kind of why I think it's important of us to do to think about our purpose. But I'd like to take the conversation further and to expanded thinking into all right, how do we really want to be remembered? You know? What is your legacy? Uh? And I think aligning one's purpose with a legacy, you know, and thinking about you know what, how we want to be remembered is I think one way by which we can find a renewed sense of happiness and a renewed sense of fulfillment. And from my work as a local therapist, of course, as doctor Pritter Frankel's working existential psychology, is what I know is that when we don't register that, we experience what's called the existential vacuum, which is where depression set saying we're app these sets in. People find ways to amuse themselves to fill that hole. And it's usually not productive unless we could find a way to actually be of service to it to the world, which of course what we both stand for. And so of course, one of the things that I appreciated about your book, which is easy to read and easy to digest, is you actually talk about a plan. You talk about that some key aspects of a strategic legacy plan. Would you share at least a few of them to get our readers and our listeners and our viewers starting down that path. Yeah, I think a common mistake about in legacies that you know, people have great ideas, but execution is the problem. You know. We see that in business, we see that in life and all that. And so my suggestion is, all right, let's stop that, sposs. Let's give this some thought. And what if we pursue a legacy the way we pursue a business, you know, and when you start a business with plan, right, we were supposed to create the business plan where we look at the management team, we look at our vision, mission, we look at the marketing side of things, we look at the financial side, we prepare, you know, and so when we're what I'd like the readers to do, and of course our listeners is when you think about legacy and you think about implementing it, you know, think about things. You know, I take a plan carefully, you know, look at the different angles of different elements on the implementation part of it to make sure that it's successfully executed. M And again, why I wanted to make sure that you talk about this mark is that one thing that I know, and I talk about this in my speaking in my programs, is that you know it's it helps us so much if we even just start the process of aiming, of strategizing, of planning, I mean to plan to be of service, plan to piece of something in the world, and it's not And this is really important. I thought about this as I was crafting the conversation for the show. Is in some ways I think of legacy as being a byproduct to really being of servers to the world. However, planning to matter is important from my datage point. I want I want more people to do that. So one of the other things that you speak about in your book that's related to the no show of a strategic legacy plan is the importance of creativity. Say more about that. Yes, you know, I noted that in business and even in life you know, sometimes it's out of the box thinking. This innovative and creative approaches really lead to amazing results, you know, and so the same can be applied to legacy. So when we're you know, for example, if a company, you know, our executive on a company decides to all right, let me try to create a artificial intelligence product that will help farming, you know, that will help improve agriculture. And let me come up with a product or service that will allow this to be used inexpensively by farmers all over the world. So that gesture, we suddenly, you know, out of the box thinking, creative app which can now be implemented in us by many people and could have a huge impact. So that's one example by which you know, we can use innovative thinking, creative thinking to really make an impact in some shape or form. M I want to add to that, doctor Munius, and that is that I think one of the things that most of us have gotten from living in this pandemic for about a year now is that if we've learned nothing, it's to find different ways to get things done right and things that maybe we're always there, but we just couldn't see them. And so I guess what I would want to say to add on to what you talk about about creativity and innovation is the importance of really looking, you know, like literally have you looked under your desk? I mean, what does that view look like? It's amazing what happens when we just do things a little bit differently, how the world suddenly appears very different to us. And I just want to encourage all the listeners and viewers to really think about that, that there really are a multiple, multitude number of ways to get things done, but most of us tend to go back on our autopilot and that's what we already know and that we've been doing for years and years, and that's so limiting. It may not get you there. So I just really want to encourage and build on what you said, doctor Muneau, is about the importance of harnessing that creativity. Anything else do you want to add to that? I think I think we really again be intentional in being creative and understand it. You know, creativity can really open up new doors and new perspectives. And yeah, I like you. I like your view of you know, looking at different angles, taking on different perspectives, and I think would be a good way to find exciting legacy pathways. Yes, yes, to matter. Right. One of the things that I really know because of my research is that most everybody wants to matter. We all want to know that we don't get through the end of this life and nobody notices that we are here, right, And so a part of a big, important part of that is that we are social beings. And so one of the things that I really appreciate about your plan is the importance of engaging others. And for some of us, myself included, that does not come naturally, right. I love people, and I love synergy, and I love teamwork, but it's not necessarily the first thing that I go to. So talk more about how we can leverage the notion of engaging others for our strategic plan. Yeah, you know, when I was thinking about legacy, at least, one of the things that I notice is that we can only do so much by pursuing our legacy plans alone. So an analogy I would use is, you know somebody who's just rowing a canoe by himself or herself, but if you have four or five people rowing that canoe together, you'll go farther faster. So the same with legacy planning. You know, we've got to find ways by which we could maybe have a committed team to do it, to join us in our journey, and better yet, engage you know, many other stakeholders, you know. I So, for example, if you're you know, your company is doing a social enterprise, you know, maybe you could engage suppliers, sponsors, the government, academ you know, broaden the scope of engagement with others so that you will have more people rowing that canoe with you, you know, and taking your legacy dreams forward in a faster and more efficient way. Now Here, I just have to time in as a gallop certified Strengths coach. And so this is where the idea of listeners and viewers. If you're like, well, you know, yeah, I'm really am good at ideas or I'm really good at execution one or the other, well that's where you bring another people who have other skills and strengths and talents that you don't have. Like for me, for example, I am really good. I used to be really really good at really just getting things done. And over the years I've taught myself more to create and think and cogitate. But when I really get stuck and I don't know how to bring something forward, I go to my friends, my strategic thinking friends who can see a different way that I can't, and I borrow them and I leverage them and we work together. And those of you that are really strong and great ideas but short on execution, you bring those people that want to get something done. They need to bring that game and ball over the line. That is what it takes right to really create this. So I just really wanted to call out the notion that there's absolutely nothing wrong with you needing and wanting other people to be involved. In fact, really to really make the difference that doctor Munos and are talking about, You're probably absolutely going to need that. Anything else you want to say about that, Doctor Munis, Yes, yes, you know, just like in a company, when you do a startup, you will hire maybe an accountant, you will hire a marketing person because those are skill sets that you don't necessarily have. And so again, having different talent on board can help steal some of the implementation gaps that you might have and could heighten the chances of the success of your legacy project. Excellent and beautiful. I want to talk more about the implementation piece. That's the next piece we're going to tackle. But let's grab our last and final break. I'm at least Cortez your host. You're on there with doctor Mark Muno, who's the chairman and CEO of International Meashmak Consulting from Munyo's and Associates International, where he directs research and business development projects for clients all over the world. He's also a prolific law author of over twenty books and articles that he has written or co authored. Stay with us after the rake, we're going to talk about that that little perspectym implementation issue. Stay with us. We'll be right back. Doctor Release Cortez is a management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational speaker and author. She helps companies visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite a lease to speak to your organization, please visit her at a lease Cortez dot com. Let's talk about how to get your employees working on purpose. This is working on purpose with doctor Elise Cortez to reach our program today or open a conversation with Elise and send an email to Elise ali Se at Elise Cortez dot com. Now back to Working on Purpose. Thanks for staying with us, and welcome back to Working on Purpose. I'm doctor Elise Cortez, your host. Another thing I want to share with you if you haven't learned this already by being listening to the program, says Also during the pandemic, I launched Gusto now, which is an e learning platform, which is where I've been able to host my YOL inspired Living and Leading from Purpose program. And because I love languages, now we're also doing that in Spanish and Portuguese. You can get a discount actually as a listener by using WOP twenty. That's a twenty percent discount when you start with one of our classes. So you see you there. It's great gobs of fun if you're just joining us. My guest today from Dicator, Illinois doctor Mark Munios. He is a ten year for professor of Management and International Business at Melikan University. And we were talking before about the importance of implementation, right, so it's one thing to have a really great idea but whether Rubbert really meets the roads to make it happen. So you talk about implementation in your book, saying more about that. Yes, really execution is key, you know, so great legacy ideas can be implemented in a wrong way or at the wrong time. So therefore, you know, really planning ahead, thinking about the timing, preparing for it, I think would be a good way forward. So we need to prepare a well thought health plan to implement our legacy, to really make the impact that we really want, is what I'm thinking, Alice, and I think again back to our previous point. So you're probably gonna need some help to actually really fully bake that out. If you're not used to creating a strategic plan. Again, get some help. There's nothing wrong with asking for help. In fact, most of us who recognize that we can't do it alone do it all the time. Hi can you help me? Hi? What's your name? Can you help me? I've gotten really good at that myself. And then, of course the next thing that you talk about, and this is so important, is to stay the course, stay with it, don't go up on it, because the going will absolutely get tough. Yeah, definitely, you know, any initiative. Legacy planning included, will have obstacles to success. You know, there's no easy route when pursuing groundbreaking and impactful initiatives. I would really recommend staying the course even when the going gets rough, you know, and the timing may not be great at the moment, but with perseverance, you know, legacy goals can be achieved down the road. Patience, perseverance I think would be important too. Yeah, and again I want to go back in presence. I mean, what we're talking about here, listeners and viewers is really it's big stuff. It's heavy stuff, and it's it's that thing that we're both asking you to do, is to stretch beyond yourself and be a bigger service to the world than you think you maybe can be today. It's the stretch that matters, and actually there's actually life in the stretch. That's what I would tell you as a logo therapist is even if you don't actually make your plan come entirely true, the stretch and reach are more will actually give you a more likelihood that you'll get there and you'll be more alive in the process. So just really want to encourage you to do this right to consider this. This is this is needy stuff, but this is where this is the essence of life. So that's why I wanted to have doctor doctor Munos on the show. Is what he's talking about is really important and he's written something that makes it much more accessible for you to get there than maybe would it sounded like on the outside of the show. So my two cents on that. Now, let's talk about planning your legacy. You you actually talk us through a few of if you would, to the extent that you can, you talk about eight areas people need to take into consideration as they consider their current and accessible resources for these, can you presence some of those we should have at time for most of them if you can get to down, yeah, definitely. So we have all, you know, different pathways and different resources. So when we think about legacy, uh, you know, let's say financial legacy as to start, you know, let's look at that as an example. They are key questions we need to think about and how we can execute this well. So you might want to think about how much resources do I have at the moment, you know, how can I leverage these resources to make an impact? We want to think about what other resources do I need to attract, who would benefit from these resources the most? And what should I prioritize and what should be the impact? So, you know, giving it some really strategic thinking behind. Putting some strategic thinking behind it could help you, you know, really push the envelope on with regard to to these legacy plants. Let's talk about a little bit about social legacy. So you know, the key questions to ask yourself would be what is the current state state of my social capital? How can it be enhanced? What partnerships and alliances can be helpful in helping me move this forward? So those kind of you know, strategic questions that would help you think and refine your implementation. I think it is going to be important. And then another example would be intellectual legacy for example, so we can think about what is my intellectual strength? You know, how can I leverage the strength to make an impact? What training, development and resources? Though I further need to get this done right, you know, who should I partner with? You know, who should I talk to? Who should I ask as you mentioned earlier, and of course what should I really focus on to make the biggest, deepest, most impactful. Uh? You know way forward. So those are some things to to kind of think about with regard to legacy planning. Excellent, And I also appreciate Mark that you by asking those questions already out of the gate, what you're doing for people who are reading your book or listening to us today is taking them outside of whatever they know today and stepping into another remo possibility. And that's of course we're so much, so much mystery and magic habits, and so I really want new listeners and viewers to listen to those questions because they're very powerful to help you step out of whatever limitations or restrictions that you think you have today. Really important. Okay, so you know that I can't not have you on my radio show and talk about legacy without asking you what yours is? What are you crafting for yourself? You knew that you were not gonna be able to escape without asking getting asked that question? Right, I found that Yeah coming, Yeah, it's coming. It's inevitable. So what do you cret in document news? What kind of legacy are you about to leave? Oh? Wow, all right, I think it's actually some thought too. At the conclusion of the book, you know, Alice, I think I'm leaving behind an intellectual a legacy out of the different types that I mentioned, I've been an educator for almost years now, and uh, and I'm hoping that you know, the lessons I taught in the classroom, uh, the skill sets I've taught the students will be remembered and we will be put to good use and uh, you know, could help them grow and maybe become better persons down the road, uh and successful people down the road. And I'm hoping that as an author, the books that I've written can help you know, people again be educated and to live better lives as well. Uh. And you know, and hopefully, uh, these efforts you know, in teaching and writing would be, in my own small way, my my legacy as well. So and this book, out of all the books that I've written, this has been my personal favorite. You know, many of the books that I wrote are really written from the brain rather than anything else. This book, I felt, I just let it flow. There was no you know, very little. There's some research, but not as much as the others. So this was written from the heart and what I really felt like a message I wanted to convey you to my readers and hopefully in some way change their lives and help encourage them to make an impact on the lives of others too. That's delicious and right up my alley of course, as you know, So I want to present something for our listeners or what you just did there, doctor Munos, that's really really important. I didn't ask the question, not right, why is this important? But you answered it, And what I would have to clean underneath that is that you have a there's some values that are present there for you. So I would say that you value learning, growing, intellectual endeavor, contribution. Is any of that right? Oh? Absolutely, yes, okay, okay, So this is why this is important for us to talk about, especially from the banished point of as I said before, about that there's actually meaning to be registered in the pursuit of giving and leaving this legacy. So for you listeners and viewers you have not heard me said this before, I'm going to share with you because we've got some time to do this. There are from a logo therapeutic advantage point, there's three sources of meaning that we have available to us all the time as human beings. And by the way, according to logotherapy, and I would agree with this, our number one pursuit in life is meaning. That's what we're all out to get and be into experience is meaning. So these three sources of meaning, and Dr Minos who just spoke to them, although maybe not intentionally, but I can use your story now as a way to teach is that the first source of meaning that we have access to is creative, our creative values, our creative contributions, and that's what we give of ourselves to the world. But the reason that becomes meaningful is because we value that which we contribute. So if I contribute, for example, I could contribute it pretty fantastically typewritten manuscript written by someone else that would not be meaningful to me because I didn't create it from myself. I did it. I have a talent that I used to be able to bring somebody else's work to the world that wouldn't be valuable or meaningful for me. So the first one that creative. Then I translate that to passion. So what I hear in your work, Doctor Munius, is you are passionate about creating this legacy that allows you to express your own intellectual abilities and your capacity to learn and grow in such a way that it secondarily to the next source inspires others. Okay, So then our second source of meaning is those those experiences and encounters that are meaningful that again that align with our value system that regised for us as meaningful. And so this experience alone with for me is an inspiration because you've given something to me, dartor Munus. By reading your book and by sharing with my listeners, you gave me an experience that's meaningful to me. And so what I would say is that you, being an author and a speaker and what you're doing across the world with you with your consulting, is a way for you to inspire others to come along with you, to create their legacy and to live it. So that's the that's the experiential inspirational vein. And then the last source of meaning is attitudinal and that's the stance that we as individuals take against anything that that confronts us in life, that we always have the freedom and the responsibility to choose that attitude. And that's of course the mindset piece. So I hear you. You said the beginning of the show that you had spent several years in industry in the last twenty years now in academia. And so you're you've chosen this path to make the difference through this path, that that is an attitudinal choice. So now that I've said those those three sources of meaning, I've just been curious how that landed for you. What did you get from your own experience in this legacy that you're out to create? Well, well, is that the insight I gathered analysis. I'm glad I took this path. You know, I feel I feel happy, and uh, you know if I did not. You know, I do multiple things. I think, I do business, I write and and and I teach, and so there are different pathways by which I tried to make an impact in others lives and and all of them make me happy. And I could I couldn't, uh do you know, just ignore one in other it has to somewhat come together. All these three are happening simultaneously, and they all bring me some level of joy. And I think the convergence of these three allow me to kind of, you know, make a unique contribution, perhaps because there are things that I could say in the classroom that were you know, developed from my business experiences. And there's things in my in my business that I could take from what I've learned in the classroom, and they're you know, obviously in my books there are experiences from both areas that I could bring together. So although it wasn't intention, I just followed my interest and what I was, you know, I felt passionate about, and then and then use them in some way to help others. I think that's kind of where it all list and hopefully that's the way I will be remembered as well. So a last week on radio, so we talked with Brandon Peel, who is a purpose guide and he also does this really amazing thing where which he and I are aligning on, where he talks about, you know, the the awareness of the cosmos and that there is this interactivity between all beings and the cosmos, which I completely aligned on and part of my next book will address that as well. And so what I when you talk about what you just said there, Dr Munds, what I hear at work is what I would call the divining rod at work right, which I you know, it worked in my life too, where I just followed when we when we're really clear about who we are and we're obedient to that, which is arising within us that which is called and whispering in our ears, saying, hey, do this, this is important to you. It's when we ignore that, when I it's when I think we get ourselves into trouble and we lose the anchor to fulfillment and purpose and meaning. So what I hear you say is that you were you were just obedient to that internal source, whatever that is for you. Alice, you are spot on, and it's just mind boggling. You really got it. I mean, it's that that's really the truth. It seems like I'm just obeying orders. I'm just following what what I'm supposed to do. In fact, Alice, you know this book, uh, you know, creating a personal business legacy. There were three instances where this book may not have happened. You know, there were and all of these instances just melted, you know, the way they were roadblocks and then they just melted away, you know, a roadblock, It just melted. It's just you know, and then a publisher just supported it. I wasn't so short. It was going to be books. Some said it was too short, some said, you know it was uh, it was not right their their alley because it wasn't exactly business. It was a little bit different from from my typical publishers. But then I found the right publishers. You know what. When we're thinking about developing employees and looking at their career development, this is a perfect book. So, you know, it just it just so happened, and it just made me understand at that point in time that this book was meant to be. And it's uh, you know, it's hopefully you know, you know what I when I write books, Alice, it's a lot of work, as you know. But at the end of the day, my thinking is if my book just impacts one life, just one, I feel very very happy and I feel very very fulfilled, you know. And but as you said, I'm just obeying orders. Yeah, and so two things. That's so beautiful what you just presenced. And I want you to listen, listeners and viewers that you just notice what happened when you shared that, how you could just see him his whole soul was coming through what he was saying. That's what that's just it's so beautiful to witness when when you're working from passion and purpose, that's what it looks like. That's what it feels like and it's there's so much we can do from that. And so that whole notion of just being pure and true to what it is trying to come through you to give that to the world, that's the gift. And so I just want to say thank you for honoring that. Dr Munews. Thank you. We are we are the beneficiaries of that. Because you followed through and you listen to that, and you were obedient and you did the hard work and persevered and implemented and followed it through. We now are the beneficiaries of that. So thank you for following your heart and your spirit and your soul and your purpose. Thank you for your added insights, Alison, bringing clarity to some of these. You know, at times, you know, I'm not so sure how it happened or why it happened, but I think your insights today is just kind of enlightened me quite a bit and said, you know, maybe I ought to be reading your book too. I think there's just so much synergy between what we're doing. Yeah, I do too. And again, you know, we we were paying attention, we thought we were obedient to this internal rebinding round and here we are together and we created something that didn't exist before, and I'm grateful that you got some new insights. I love doing that with people. It is part of my gift, and I appreciate that you took it in the contributor contributive spirit in which I intended it. So thank you for that. And here we are already at the end of the show. I don't know how fast. It just always evaporates, especially when we're having fun. So you know, doctor Munos, that this show is listened to by people across the globe, and we're all in it really to try to help create environments where people can experience that meaning in their lives and their work, and where inspirational leaders make a difference to people and we help raise the bar of business. Having said that, when do we leave our listeners with today, Well, Alice, I think you know, whatever a role is in society, wherever in the world we are, we all have talents, we have interest, we have resources that would enable us to make an important and lasting impact on society. We can do this at a personal level or even in a corporate level. We are all in a position to make a difference. And at times, you know, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who make things happen. So I would encourage everybody to make an effort to make things happen, to pursue their legacy dreams and make it a reality. And I would like to know to encourage everyone to do it as soon as possible, as early as possible, and I'm very I'm fairly sure that if you do that, then you would find a new sense of happiness and a renewed sense of fulfillment. Thank you, Alice. Oh my gosh, what a delicious way to finish the show, Doctor Winyos, Thank you so very much for sharing your heart, your soul, and your purpose with us today. For our listeners who might want to contact you, what's the best website for them to visit? And altim we find you through. Oh, they could find me at the Melican University website. You know www dot Mellican M I L L I K I M dot EEDU do a search for doctor Minos. You'll find me excellent. I think that some people will want to follow up with this conversation. Thank you so much for joining us today last week. If you missed the show live, you can always catch we recorded podcasts. 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