Dec. 11, 2024

Want to be an Inspiring Leader Stewarding a Sustainable Future? Learn the Fine Art of Retreats

Want to be an Inspiring Leader Stewarding a Sustainable Future? Learn the Fine Art of Retreats

Business leaders have such profound impact on the organizations and people they lead. To cast an inspiring and sustainable future their stakeholders want, they must learn to find the inner peace from which to draw clarity, balance, and purpose. A...

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Business leaders have such profound impact on the organizations and people they lead. To cast an inspiring and sustainable future their stakeholders want, they must learn to find the inner peace from which to draw clarity, balance, and purpose. A powerful practice to cultivate such a state are solo retreats, which can range from “the occasional hour carved into the day to profoundly insightful weekends.” Guest: Fabrice Desmarescaux

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Elise Cortes.

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Welcome back to the Working and Purpose Program. Thanks for

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tuning in again this week. Great to have you. This

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show has been brought to with passionate pride since February

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of twenty fifteen. I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes. If

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you don't know me and we've not met before, I'm

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an organizational psychologist and logo therapist, speaker and author. My

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team and I at gusto Now help companies to enliven

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activated by meaning and purpose. Our mission is to help

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our clients create a destination workplace where people flock to join,

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are intrinsically motivated to perform at their best, can grow

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to their fuller potential, and are committed to stay in

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dynamic deliever on the company's mission, which all translate to

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higher profits. You can learn more better and how we

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can work together at gustodashnow dot com or my personal

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site Atliscortes dot com both US Today. Is Fabris Demarsco,

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who works with CEOs and business owners and their teams

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across Southeast Asia and Europe to help them reach higher

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levels of performance and consciousness. A partner and practice leader

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at Mackenzie and Company, he has practiced meditation, taught yoga,

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and led spiritual retreats for two decades. By integrating Eastern

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spiritual traditions with Western modern management and psychology. He raises

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his clients to new heights of clarity and productivity by

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focusing on what makes us fundamentally human, the desire to

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be happy, to connect with others, and to be true

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to our purpose. Over the years, he has worked closely

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with CEOs and business owners across Europe and Southeast Asia.

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He's the author of the Art of Retreats, a leader's

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Journey toward clarity, balance and purpose, which we're talking about today.

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He joins it today from Singapore, where he is thirteen

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hours ahead. It's five o'clock Wednesday night for me and

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it's six ame Thursday for him. I love how time works, Fabreez.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose, ViOn Venue.

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Thank you, thank you. Good morning to you at e IS.

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I want to celebrate this beautiful book that you brought

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into the world, Fabreeze. As I told you before we

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got on on air, I loved it. It's beautiful. I

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learned so much from you, and so will our listeners

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and viewers as we talk about it. Soank you for that.

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Thank you.

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Let's start if we will you. I appreciate that you

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also wrote a good bit about you and your journey,

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which I think is really essential. If you're going to

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write a book about retreats and transformation such, we need

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to know something about you. So will you start by

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sharing just a little bit about your own journey, especially

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you know, as your own questions about who you are

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and what you wanted to do in terms of work

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and service began to maybe transform for you. Then when

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you first sat out in your career, well.

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I was a business executive.

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I've been lucky to have the opportunity to work with

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senior leaders from a very young age. So all my

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career pretty much I've been an advisor to the top

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of the pyramid, as we could say, C suite executive, CEOs, etc.

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I as a consultant, then a partner at McKinsey. I

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left to become a banking executive. I ran a pretty

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large business in the banking industry, and then changed careers

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and went into advising leaders, recruiting them, advising them on

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their careers, and finally went back to McKinsey to lead

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the leadership development practice in Asia. So since the circle

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is closed in a way, I started my career as

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a business advisor. I went back to finish as a

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CEO advisor on topics of leadership. So that's me and

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that's the source of the book as well, to put

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my thirty five years of experience in perspective and to

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say what in addition to performance, which I think everyone

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takes for granted, the role of a CEO is to

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deliver performance.

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But when we do that, I think we.

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I will deliver revenue, I will deliver profits, I will

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deliver shareholder value at any cost. And that has led

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to some of the issues that we're facing today in

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the world. And so I like to balance performance with

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a quest for purpose.

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Why are we doing this? Is it good?

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Why should people care? How do we enable our organizations

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to flourish? And how are we in service of the

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greater good as well? So it's not an either or

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you know, tree hugging on one side or you know ruthless.

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We need to have both a drive for performance, because

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a business that doesn't perform is that's not good for anyone.

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sense of purpose and acting for the greater good. So

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that's my quest in a way, is to rebalance the

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energies in the world and work with my CEO clients

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all over the region and in the Middle East and

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in Europe to bring these dual lengths of performance and

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purpose in their lives and their organizations.

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Well, we are very much aligned their fabrics in terms

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of what we're out to do, and I want to

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also celebrate how important the work that you're doing is

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as well.

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hugely important, even more so as people expect more from

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their leaders, especially business leaders, and so that it takes

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an even stronger, more capable, competent, balanced in touch with

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himself or herself person to do that. And so I

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really appreciate that you really in your book talk about

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the importance of how leaders need to achieve greater clarity,

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balance and purpose when they combine both acting and being

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and especially taking time to partake of a retreat to

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be able to do that, which of course is the

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focus of your job. And so I appreciate that you say.

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And the higher they go in any organization, the greater

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the rewards for marrying action and contemplation.

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Yeah, which is a paradox because the higher you go,

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typically the more the busier you're going to be, and

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there's going to be destructions from old pots.

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Right.

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So, let's take a a minute to reflect on the

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role of a CEO, and I'm talking CEOs of the

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CEOs I work with ten to be at the head

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of very large organizations. Right, So we're talking ten twenty

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thirty thousand employees and capitalizations of ten fifty billion dollars.

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So, but I think everything I say applies to much

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smaller businesses as well. This is a question of scale,

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but the nature of the role remains the same. And

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first and foremost, the CEO has the ultimate responsibility for

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conducting the business and is the steward of the organization

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into the world. So it doesn't matter whether you have

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three employees or even if you're self employed and or

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you lead fifty thousand employees. You have access to power,

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you have access to resources, and therefore you have a responsibility,

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and that responsibility we have to see thats going beyond

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just delivering value for the shoholders. Okay, so the role

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of the CEO has anumber of fassets, but a few

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think of it. Right, there's there's a business component, So

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how do we make money? How do we steer the

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organization into the future and navigate the changes in the environment,

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the markets, competitors, changing tastes of customers, technology, et cetera.

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So that that already is highly cognitive. Right, we need brains,

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we need strategy skills, we need visionary skills, et cetera.

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Then you need an organization. So that's human beings, you know,

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these annoying things that have.

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Their need and there are you know, genders, yes.

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And I think the problem starts when you have one employee,

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and then that's on. Of course, when you have ten

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thousand employees, you have human resources department, et cetera. But

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that doesn't make it any easier because the human resources

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people themselves up people, so you know, et cetera. And

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then you have the market. So you have your customers.

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In many industry, now there's regulators, there's competitors that you

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need to deal with and you need to know them.

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You need to build relationship with your partners, your suppliers,

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your customers, and then you have your shareholders and broadly speaking,

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the investor community at large. Now, if you run a

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family business. You know, you're the main shareholder, your family

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is the shareholder, or you and your friends, or you

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have a small capital table with a few venture capitalists.

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But as the company gets larger and you go through

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IPO and you're publicly listed, then you need to deal

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with shareholders.

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So it's a.

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Complex job that requires many different skills and needs to

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activate the left brain and the right brain. Right, A

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lot of CEOs are just trying to use the left brain.

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So very analytical, very number driven. You know, facts are facts.

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There's only one truth, and that truth is given by

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the immediate numbers that I have in front of me.

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That in my view is not has always hasn't always

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been like that, right, So it's a product of maybe

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the last forty years. You know, the greed is good,

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the product of the eighties. You know Jack Welsh at

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ge et cetera. You know, we'll do anything to deliver

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value at the expense of everyone else. So my employees

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are a commodity. I can sacrifice them any time I want,

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I can hire them, i can fire them. I'll cut

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the bottom ten percent. What happens in the environment, frankly,

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is not my problem.

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So I can use the world's resources, do anything I want,

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you know, exploit cheap labor in China or in Vietnam

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or et cetera.

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Not my problem.

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If I use kids, twelve year old kids to work

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in my factories, not my problem, because oh, you know what,

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it's a supplier we cannot control, or supplies, et cetera,

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et cetera. So I think we're all familiar with the

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excessies that being excessively left brain focused analytical.

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I just look at the numbers.

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I think we're now starting to see fifty years later,

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you know the damage that this approach can bring. But

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this is a whole system, right, The whole system has

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moved in that direction, and today people take it for

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granted that if you want to be a good CEO,

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you have to deliver the.

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Value and at any costs.

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I don't think the discourse that we have on ESG

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or anything like that has really moved a needle. Quite frankly,

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it's a lot of leap service. You know, one nice

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page with a forest, picture of a forest on indiannual report.

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I think today we were in a system that predominantly

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is left brain analytical, focused on numbers and doesn't take

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the whole picture in consideration. It's not a holistic approach.

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So I think what you're saying and correct me if

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I'm wrong at is But and what I'm working for

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is to say, let's re establish a holistic view of

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leadership which existed before you know, the capitalism. You know

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days of capitalism. And of course if you go way

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before capitalism, then it was a different system.

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being within our communities. And how do we bring this

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for nine and a half years, and it's evolved tremendously

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lifting life, and it later got more bureaucratized and financialized,

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et cetera. So, yes, there's a lot of us working

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on this together. The economist believes that about fifteen percent

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growth that you're talking about. Part of what I care about,

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like you to advance this conversation that I think is

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so critical and keep teaching people, keep lifting people, keep

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there's you're familiar with the philosopher Ken Wilbur and he's

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not the only one. There's a tipping point, rich and

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want right that that tipping point then will will drive

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So I'm hopeful, look very to come back to me.

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working on this. But the fact that I have the

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possibility to do this work within McKinsey, yes, you know,

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in the past we said, oh you know McKinzie. Okay,

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one of the best firms in the world for strategy, quality, excellence,

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I am your host, doctor Elise Cortes. We do there

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on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes. Like Fabrise,

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my own books. My last one came out in March

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of twenty twenty three. It's called The Great Revitalization. How

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activating meaning and Purpose can radically inliven your business. And

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I wrote it to help business leaders understand the changed

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workforce land, what do they want and need from their

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work and from their leaders. And then I offer twenty

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your culture to create it. You can learn more antalyscoretest

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joining us. My guest is Fabrice day Moresco is the

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author of the Art of Retreats, The Leader's Journey toward clarity,

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balance and Purpose, which we've been talking about today. So

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now we want to get into this idea of retreats.

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I think a lot of people if they heard that word,

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Fabrice would imagine it means something very very different. Then

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maybe you initially intense. So first a definition, your.

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Definition retreat is a parenthesis in your busy life.

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That's the simplest definition, right. So it's not taking time off.

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It's not a vacation because I don't know what most

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people do on their vacations, but you know, there's associations

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of being with friends of family and playing and having

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fun and puttying and going to restaurants, et cetera. So

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that's not it a retreat that there's four criteria simple

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So you're going to go on your own Now, doesn't

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mean you go in the middle of the desert and

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the nearest human being is five hundred kilometers away. That's

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not what it means. You could be alone on your

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own in sitting in a coffee shop, for example, but

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you're alone, right, So that's point number one. Point number

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two in silence, again, you don't go into a sound

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proof chamber, but you disconnect the devices and so that

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you can start hearing yourself think, and more importantly, you

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can start with a little bit of time and a

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little bit of quiet, you can start hearing the voice

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of your soul.

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feel the good vibes of the space. So for some

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people it will be being in a park or for rest,

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other people, it could be their favorite coffee shop with

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that means, right, that there spaces that resonate with us

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where we feel. You know, sometimes you walk into a

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the vibes are good, right, my energy settles and I

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could spend time here. And sometimes you're in a place

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a space that is conducive for you to feel relaxed

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and where you can feel safe and open. And the

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last s is, you know, be prepared to connect with

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your soul. So be open, be open to whatever is

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going to come at because we have since young, we

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have shut that access to our inner source of wisdom

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because the teachers and the professors and the business world

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the truth of the numbers.

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Different sources of wisdom and if we just attuned to them, right,

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we find our in our wisdom. So you find these

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traditions of retreat in the Hindu traditions. You know, you

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read the Upanishads and you read the bag of a Gita,

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Find that it's.

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Center and in central in the Buddhist tradition of course,

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right to take time in retreats and the Thai forest

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tradition where you retire to the forest for the rain

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season for a couple of months. Right, But it's also

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been central in Christian traditions as well, and there's always

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been people who took time and go on retreats, you know,

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the Desert Feathers, and then later on you know the

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Christian mystics, Mystery cut and more recently Thomas Merton, et cetera.

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Tradition everywhere you look, right, it's true in Islam as well,

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with the Sufi tradition. Everywhere you look, there's been this

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body of wisdom that says you can be in the world,

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and occasionally you retire from the world and you will

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reconnect with your inner source of wisdom, your soul. So solitude, silence,

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a conducive space, and the willingness to reconnect with your soul. Now,

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so it is work in a way, but it's not

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the work that you're going to do in a cubicle

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That's why I call it in a journey, because you

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will bring the awareness to what's happening inside, and you

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will discover new sources of inside, new sources of wisdom.

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That you probably never knew you had. And the book

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is a guide.

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So obviously, if you've never done a retreat, don't start by,

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you know, shaving.

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Your head and wearing a white roll.

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Keep going away from two weeks.

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No no, no, no, Take one hour, Take two hours.

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and I absolutely discourage people from using tablets or their

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phone to take notes, because I'm kind of it are

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going to come, So take a proper pen and take

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a proper paper, you know. And I always encourage my

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clients buy yourself a nice note book, you know, because

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you will continue writing in it, and years later you'll

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come back and you'll see, oh, these are the patterns

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you know. Years ago, I already knew that, but but

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now I cannot ignore it anymore. There's so much that

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comes up in these retreat so I guide the reader

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in baby steps, How to do it, the logistics, how

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to convince your your your family or your office colleagues

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that you know, yes, it's important that I take two

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days and I be completely disconnected, and how to prepare

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for it. And then once you're in your retreat space

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wherever that is, and however long want to do it

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two hours, half a day, one day, two days. Maybe

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at the beginning, don't go for too long because you know,

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it's like go to the gym, right, I mean, don't

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go to the gym if that's the first time. Don't

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go for a three hour workout because you're going to die, right,

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So go for the first time right, and start appreciating it.

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So let go of your attachment to outcomes. Maybe you're

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not going to have any elimination the first time, you know,

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maybe you're not going to be able to walk on

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water straight after your first retreats, but you're going to

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see the difference if you repeat the process.

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And so that's that's what it is.

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It's beautiful. I also enjoy facilitating retreats. So I am

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every word that you have said. I'm in a complete agreement. Okay,

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lot of exposure to retreats and maybe you start familiar,

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few of the things that you show in your book,

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first of all, and I think that's one of the

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most important is how distracted are you?

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How scattered are you?

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So imagine that you need to work on a presentation

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and you know so it could be a presentation to

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your investors you want to give them an update, or

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it's a presentation for a very important client that you

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would like to sign. So whatever it is, right, can

465
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you block time and work? And do you know what

466
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:33.880
car Newport calls deep work?

467
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:34.920
Right? Can you be.

468
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Uninterrupted for a longer period of time? One hour, two

469
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:43.160
hours without interruptions? And most people the truth is the can't.

470
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:47.200
They can't because first of all, there's plenty of notifications

471
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.559
that keep coming on their devices that distract them, so

472
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:53.599
they haven't had the discipline to turn off all the notifications.

473
00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.559
They're also uncomfortable to say hey, two hours, you know,

474
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:58.880
maybe I need to check on my email every fifteen

475
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:02.400
minutes just in case is something important has happened and

476
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:06.799
you wonder what could could happen, But anyway, exactly, So,

477
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:10.039
a lot of people are very uncomfortable blocking, say two

478
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:14.440
hours to do deep work. And so this is the

479
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.559
first time that you that you need to retreat, right,

480
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.799
if you're constantly checking your phone.

481
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:19.960
One one.

482
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:25.440
Tip I give to my clients is look at how

483
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:28.759
many times you pick up your phone. There's an indicator

484
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:32.000
on on on you know, Android and iPhones that says, okay,

485
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.920
how many times did you unlock the phone or how

486
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.519
many times did you up in a day?

487
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:35.799
Right?

488
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:39.880
If it's above one hundred, you're in the you're in

489
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:43.880
the red zone, my friend. If you cannot leave without

490
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.319
checking your phone more than a hundred, you know, less

491
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.559
than one hundred times a day, you're in the danger zone.

492
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:50.720
So that that's a sign. Right.

493
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.559
Sometimes we feel it, we feel that there's something right

494
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:58.200
and and look, quite frankly, it could be also the

495
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:01.640
early signs of burnout, right, because we're not very good

496
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.640
at noticing what's happening. Right, But you don't want to

497
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:09.519
wait for a day where you cannot get out of bed, right,

498
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:12.559
so pick up the signs that you need to rest.

499
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.519
And rest doesn't necessarily mean go out with your friend

500
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.920
and party all night. Rest means take time to regroup

501
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:23.720
and be by yourself and start reconnecting with yourself. Because

502
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.440
we're in the corporate world, we're very desembodied, right. Essentially,

503
00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:31.960
it's like, we bring this to work, right, rest doesn't matter.

504
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:34.519
We ignore the body, right, so we bring our heads

505
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:39.319
and the body is simply a complicated device that can

506
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:40.920
bring your head from one meeting.

507
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:41.880
Room to another meeting room.

508
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:45.839
Well said, And we've lost the ability to connect and

509
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:50.039
notice the physical sensations, notice the feelings, notice the emotions,

510
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.640
notice the level of energy in our body. Right, So

511
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.920
we're not attuned to the cycles in our body, the

512
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:01.119
need to sprint sometimes and then recover, sprint and recovery.

513
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.759
We think, you know, life is a marathon, but it's not.

514
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.519
You need every time. So you know a few of

515
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.640
the symptoms in the book I least ten ten. You

516
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.599
know it's a it's a little bit of a funny

517
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.119
way to get studied, right, but it's like yes or no.

518
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:15.839
You know, you.

519
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.160
Feel like you're you know, submitted to the conditions of

520
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.240
your environment instead of being on top of it, for example. Right,

521
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.359
So it's a simple quiz to say, hey, you know,

522
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:31.079
if you get too many yes, maybe you should consider

523
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:36.759
creating that parenthesis that I call retreat.

524
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.720
I think it was really important for us to bring

525
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:40.119
this up because lot of people are publy like I

526
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:42.039
don't need that. I don't have time for that. But

527
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.039
when we're confronted with that list and you start to

528
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.000
realize that you've just checked five, six, seven, eight of

529
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.359
those ten, maybe we should look into this. So thank

530
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.359
you for sharing as beautiful as you did about just

531
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.160
some of the sciences that might indicate we want to

532
00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:59.480
go next. And you started opening earlier, but it's just

533
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.400
so BEAUTIFU Well, I just want to take us into

534
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.839
this space here, Fabres. You know, one of the things

535
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.279
that I really love about doing retreat work myself too

536
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.559
is the notion that one of the s is that,

537
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.200
of course the soul piece the spirit piece to it.

538
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.720
And so this idea, this need for contemplation, of course

539
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.160
with action. You say, connecting with the soul cannot happen

540
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.240
in a noisy world. Completely agree, And you need to

541
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:24.759
let your life speak, and then, of course you then

542
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:29.680
reference Parker Palmer, who I also know of it as well,

543
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.000
and what he wrote, which is so beautiful we have

544
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.200
to read it out loud. He wrote, the soul is

545
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:39.559
like a wild animal, tough, resilient, savvy, self sufficient, and

546
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:43.000
yet exceedingly shy. If we want to see a wild animal,

547
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.400
the last thing we should do is to go crashing

548
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.039
through the woods, shouting for the creature to come out.

549
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.440
But if we are willing to walk quietly into the

550
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:53.519
woods and sit silently for an hour or two at

551
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.880
the base of a tree, the creature we are waiting

552
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.000
for will emerge, and out of the corner of an

553
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.839
eye we will catch a glimpse of the precious wilderness

554
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:07.000
we seek. That are so beautiful, so compelling. And what

555
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.839
can happen and what can happen in a retreat?

556
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:18.039
Well, I'm on the one hand, I want to say

557
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.920
all the good things that happen on retreats because I

558
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:24.480
want people to experiment and experience that for themselves. On

559
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.839
the other hand, I don't promise anything because it's going

560
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:29.079
to be different for everyone.

561
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:30.680
And I also want.

562
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:39.079
Your listeners to let go of this attachment to outcomes.

563
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.279
You know, I don't go on a retreat.

564
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:43.039
Once I was speaking with a client and he says,

565
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.480
you know, I, Fabris, I really want to learn to

566
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.880
meditate because I want, you know, to be able to

567
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.880
be shop and have develop new insights, and I want

568
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.480
to be like you know, I said, no, let go

569
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.200
meditate for the sake of meditating, and I would say

570
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.000
the same for retreats. Go on retreats for the sake

571
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:04.240
of going on retreats, and let go of any expectations

572
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:04.759
that you have.

573
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.680
Yes, totally agree, because.

574
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Then, first of all, whatever happens will happened for you

575
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.279
and may not happen for someone else. The insights that

576
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.480
you will get from a retreat will be your own,

577
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.359
and so I cannot tell you what insights you're going

578
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.880
to get. You know, it could be insights about how

579
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.759
you need to take care of yourself and realizing that,

580
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.519
oh my god, for so long I have not taken

581
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:31.920
care of myself. I haven't listened to myself. I'm doing

582
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:37.119
this job, you know, and I've been massively successful. Occasionally,

583
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.200
the senior executives who come to me for career counseling,

584
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.720
right and they say, February have been massively successful. I've

585
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:44.480
made more money than I thought I would ever make

586
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.839
in my life. That is something missing, and I don't.

587
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:48.240
Know what that is.

588
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.640
I said, well, let's let's find out. But you need

589
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.200
to start listening to yourself to know what is missing. Right,

590
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:58.119
And it's not a realization that we're deficient in any way.

591
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.920
I think, you know, just beautiful souls and we've done

592
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.319
our best. You know, we followed the education that for

593
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.759
many of us, our parents had for us. There's elements

594
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of social conditioning.

595
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You know.

596
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Where I live in Asia, it's great to be a

597
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.839
doctor or a lawyer, or an accountant.

598
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Or an engineer.

599
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.519
So the parents tend to push their kids into these, uh,

600
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.839
these careers that may or may not be for them, right,

601
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.000
So what what? You need time to discover that you

602
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:33.640
know and be a little bit kind with yourself, realize

603
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.440
that you've done the best. But maybe now is the

604
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.279
time to start realizing what what What is the next

605
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.680
phase of your life that you really want to live

606
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.440
that is really connected with who you are. So it

607
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.640
could be a number of things. It could simply be resting.

608
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:49.759
I mean, some people go on and retreat and they

609
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.640
sleep all the time because they're so sleep deprived. You know,

610
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.160
we have this match of thing that sleep is overrated

611
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.319
and I can survive on five hours a night. And guys,

612
00:32:58.359 --> 00:32:59.880
you know this is going to be an old either

613
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.559
and we need to deliver this presentation two more sure whatever, it.

614
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.400
Just doesn't work. It just doesn't work like that. And

615
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:08.839
I think.

616
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.400
That there's a new science of sleep, you know, Matthew

617
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.000
Walker and all these guys that tell you, you know, you

618
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:18.079
need your sleep, and if you don't get your sleep,

619
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.240
you will pay for that. You will pay a very

620
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.640
very very heavy price because in the short run, it

621
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.400
diminishes your cognitive abilities. So being sleep deprived is like

622
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.319
being drunk. You make the same bad decisions when you're

623
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:35.039
sleep deprived as if you're drunk. A longer term, it

624
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:39.799
will affect your neurocognitive faculties and you will have neurodegenerative diseases.

625
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.680
So some people go and retreat and they sleep.

626
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:43.400
Yeah.

627
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.920
Yeah, if that's the only benefits you get from a retreat,

628
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.519
you know you can send me a thank you note.

629
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I appreciate how you've situated that we don't understand how expectations.

630
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Just come in and participate. Let's go ahead, and grab

631
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.039
our last break. I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez, who

632
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.519
are in the air with Fabriece Damira da Morisco, who

633
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.159
works with CEOs and business owners and their teams across

634
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.760
Southeast Asia and Europe to help them reach higher levels

635
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.679
of performance and consciousness. We've been talking a bit about

636
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.719
why retreats are important to components of them, how to

637
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.480
recognize when you might actually meet or benefit from one.

638
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.719
After the ray, We're going to talk about what Fabries

639
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:24.519
calls the retreat Manifesto and how to even start designing

640
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:26.719
a retreat for yourself. We'll be right back.

641
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Doctor Elise court Haz is a management consultant specializing in

642
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meaning and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author, she helps

643
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companies visioneer for a greater purpose among stakeholders and develop

644
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purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment,

645
00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:00.159
performance and commitment within the workforce. To learn more or

646
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:03.239
to invite Elise to speak to your organization, please visit

647
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her at Eliscortes dot com. Let's talk about how to

648
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get your employees working on purpose. This is working on

649
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Purpose with doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today

650
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.519
or to open a conversation with Elise, send an email

651
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to Elise A. L Se at Eliscortes dot com. Now

652
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:28.519
back to Working on Purpose.

653
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:35.320
Thank you for stating with us, and welcome back to

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Working on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes. I

655
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.159
mentioned in the last break that my latest book came

656
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:41.920
out in March of twenty twenty three. It's called The

657
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:44.760
Great Revitalization. What I did for you is I created

658
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.480
a three page assessment that will help you understand the

659
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.039
extent to which your current culture is meeting the needs

660
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:51.360
of today's discerning culture.

661
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It's free.

662
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.880
You can find it on my website at gustodeshnow dot

663
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:58.000
com if you're just now joining me. Now my guest

664
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.599
is Fabrize day Moresco. He's the author of the Art

665
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.079
of Retreats, a leader's journey toward clarity, balance and purpose.

666
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:06.480
So one of the things you.

667
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.280
Talk about that I think is really there are many, many,

668
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.000
many things about your book and more that we could

669
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.719
have talked about, but this idea of a retreat manifesto.

670
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.440
Will you share some of the fundamental elements the pillars

671
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:16.760
of your retreat manifesto?

672
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:22.400
Well, the retreat manifesto is in a way, why would

673
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.320
you want to go and retreat and how to do it.

674
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.480
So we talked about the four essays, right, so solitude, silent,

675
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and space and spirits.

676
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And then there's a number of.

677
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Topics that you can explore during a retreat, and in

678
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.679
the book I least seven topics. Now, of course the

679
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:46.679
list could be much longer, but I think there's seven

680
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:51.119
topics that people can start exploding for themselves, right, And

681
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:54.840
one that I find particularly important is actually the first

682
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.920
theme that I mentioned in the book, which is is

683
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this a journey or is this a destination? In the

684
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.960
corporate world, everything is about the destination. It's the first

685
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:10.199
target for the month, coffee target for the year, it's

686
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.679
the market cap target that you have in your stock options.

687
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:18.320
So there's always this notion that you know, we're going

688
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:22.960
to work very hard to achieve the target and then

689
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:27.480
we will be happy. Now the reality is, of course,

690
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.400
absolutely not that we will work very hard to achieve

691
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.000
our target. We will achieve it or not, and then

692
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:39.599
we will set another target. And so we're constantly in

693
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:43.400
search of a target. We're constantly in a way unhappy

694
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:48.760
by the current state of where we are, and we

695
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:53.920
have this myth that we will be happy when, but

696
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.639
we will be happy when never never arrives.

697
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:58.960
And so corporations breed.

698
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:05.239
Dissatisfaction and happiness and a sense that I'm deficient because

699
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I haven't reached the target that has been set for me.

700
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And so I think reflecting on turning this around and

701
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.199
to say, you know what, there's no destination, It's just

702
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:19.039
a journey. And given that this is a journey, how

703
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:20.519
do you want to leave that journey? Do you want

704
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.719
to leave that journey in a constant state of dissatisfaction

705
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:28.639
and feeling insufficient and feeling that you know today is

706
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.320
not good, but tomorrow might be better once you achieve

707
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.239
your target. Or do you say, look, I'm going to

708
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.239
live every day and try to maximize every day and

709
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.400
be joyful and find purpose and meaning in every day

710
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:44.239
I work, and I will will not achieve my targets.

711
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.360
That doesn't change anything. You still have to work hard

712
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.760
and you still have to be smart, but find meaning

713
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.079
in every day you work.

714
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.360
And so that is the first reflection.

715
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:55.679
When I bring this to my client, I tell you

716
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.119
there's a light bulb going off because they say, yeah,

717
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.840
absolutely right, Why don't we find the beauty and the

718
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:05.440
goodness and the truth in every day that we live,

719
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:09.719
and how can we start creating this sense of joyful

720
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.159
fulfillments that we can have in in in our organization.

721
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.880
So that's one thing. Another thing that I like is

722
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:21.400
the to to discuss and that's very uncomfortable and a

723
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.159
lot of clients at the beginning find it difficult.

724
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:24.440
Is the.

725
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.079
Realization that you are going to die? Yes, yes, we

726
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.559
tend to forget that. We know it intellectually, we know, right,

727
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.320
So if I if I tell you, Alice, are you

728
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.719
aware that one day you know your life will be over?

729
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.800
Of course, Fabrice, I know. But do we live our

730
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.920
lives as if we really knew, or do we live

731
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.840
our lives as if this is you know, a hypothetical

732
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:50.519
scenario that will happen one day.

733
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:51.960
But I don't need to worry about that.

734
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:57.599
And so, you know, through very simple exercises coloring you know,

735
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.679
the squares and seeing how many square you have left

736
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.559
based on your life expectancy, realizing that you have a

737
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:08.480
finite number of hours and days and you know, brings

738
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.519
the realization that oh, my time is precious and so

739
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.400
what am I going to do with my precious time,

740
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.840
and how do I want to make it meaningful? So

741
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.880
that's that's one of the meditations. And you know, and

742
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.159
I drave heavily from spiritual various spiritual traditions, so I'm

743
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:32.119
not advocating one spiritual tradition over another, but I draw from,

744
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.800
of course, thousands of years of experience of human beings

745
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.559
who have done these reflections and these retreats and bring

746
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:40.679
that into the book.

747
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.599
Yes, I thought your death chapter was really powerful for Reece.

748
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.480
And you know, of course in my work around purpose,

749
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.320
what I really also discovered along my path is, you know,

750
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.239
a big reason that purpose is so powerful is because

751
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.039
we are mortal and we don't know when the exit

752
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:59.719
ramp is coming. So that gives us an urgency to

753
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.960
even a manner that we really value and in the

754
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:04.760
way that we can make the best impact that we want.

755
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.239
So it's critical actually that we die. It's just so

756
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.719
I thought your chapter was really really powerful and poignant.

757
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.239
And yes, people are a little squeamish when we talk

758
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.119
about death, but it's so important. So some of the

759
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.519
things that are interesting that I think will help our

760
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.039
listeners and viewers understand what we mean by a retreat

761
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:25.599
can you talk about some of the things that you

762
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:29.400
like to see in retreats how you would design them.

763
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:34.960
Well, I so I can tell that myself for just

764
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.519
one minute. That that will just give an example. Right,

765
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.960
So I have two three places where I like to

766
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:41.639
do retreats.

767
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:41.880
Right.

768
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:47.599
I have a small village in the Spanish Central Mountains.

769
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:49.880
Yes, there's really nothing fancy.

770
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.360
I don't picture like mac mentioned and no, no, it's

771
00:41:54.599 --> 00:42:00.440
very very small, very humble village. I'm probably, you know,

772
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.440
one of the few people who's not from Spain there.

773
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.360
But the place is beautiful. So when I go there,

774
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.760
in a way, I switch from you know, the sophisticated

775
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:18.000
life of the in the c suite of Asia and Singapore,

776
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:20.960
you know, shiny glass buildings, et cetera, and I go

777
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:22.079
to a very simple life.

778
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.079
That is a very powerful reset.

779
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:28.400
Yes, absolutely, I suspect that a lot of the people

780
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.360
who listen to us will have a similar experience. You know,

781
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:34.039
maybe maybe we live in a big city, we work

782
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.519
in an office tower, et cetera. We have this fast pace,

783
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.480
you know, twenty four hours a day kind of lifestyle,

784
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:42.639
and then we have an opportunity to do a reset.

785
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.199
I think that's very powerful to reconnect with what is

786
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.559
simple and true in life, and the connection with nature

787
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:54.880
I personally find very very important. Right nature brings down

788
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.480
a level of agitation and business. And you know, whether

789
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.000
it's the mountain, the forest, the sea, the lake, whatever

790
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.840
it is, you know, reconnecting with nature and observing nature

791
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.519
will really help bring new insights. So that that's that's

792
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:15.519
a place where I do retreats. I also have a

793
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.199
go to the south of France and that's near the sea,

794
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:22.440
so so it's the Also I find the sea extremely coming.

795
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.719
You know, being near a body of water also will

796
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:29.360
bring your energy into a different space and will open

797
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.480
up new insights. And then I do retreats at home.

798
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:35.880
I also spend a lot of time on planes, you know,

799
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:40.400
traveling for my for my for my work, and I

800
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.280
find planes, you know, not not short flights, but when

801
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:47.440
I have a longer flights, I find it's a very

802
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.639
very good place to do a retreat too, because you're

803
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:55.119
not going to be interrupted, right if you don't, you

804
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.719
don't have to connect to the plane Wi Fi, So

805
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.039
leave your phone aside and just be by yourself and

806
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.920
start observing what's happening and maybe jutting down some.

807
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.239
Notes in your journal. So that's that's how I do

808
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:10.440
my retreats.

809
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:14.119
HM, and I like also I also very much align

810
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.280
with some of the things that the activities. You know,

811
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:21.320
obviously time for contemplation, meditation, journaling you mentioned already, time

812
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.920
to reflect. We just don't tend to do that in

813
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:26.840
today's hyper busy world where we take a lot of

814
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.599
pride in being busy, as you said, the Shiwi Americans,

815
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:33.599
as you said accurately, creative activities. I love just to

816
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.840
be able to add the creative function into retreats as well,

817
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.079
taking time for walks, good meals. You talked about, being

818
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:44.719
very mindful of how you're eating, resting your utensil between bites,

819
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.360
just really you know, things that you can do that

820
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.760
really radically alter your experience of the every day and

821
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.320
some of the rituals that you you know, we might incorporate.

822
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.000
So those are just some of the things that I

823
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.280
thought we could sprinkle out to our listeners and viewers

824
00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:59.639
to get them thinking about what are they actually also

825
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:04.440
doing when they've taken themselves away. So a beautiful list.

826
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:10.480
Yeah, and the book is a guide, so it's suggestions

827
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:11.239
of what you can do.

828
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.119
I think we have every one of us, we have

829
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:18.599
our inner wisdom. We know what we need if we

830
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:19.480
just pay attention.

831
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:23.760
Yes, And so, for example, what rituals will help you

832
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:28.159
transition from the state of busy and work to the

833
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:33.960
state of retreat and inner journey. So for me, I like,

834
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.840
for example, lighting a candle, and just the act of

835
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:41.039
lighting a candle signals to me that I'm transitioning from

836
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:44.079
the space of you know, I've been checking my emails,

837
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.559
I've been on the phone with colleagues or with clients.

838
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.559
You know, I've been serving my purpose. You know, there's

839
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.519
nothing wrong with working. By the way, I don't want

840
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.840
to tell people, you know, quit your work and retire

841
00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:00.199
in the mountain and you know, become a good shepherd. No,

842
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.559
keep your jobs, you know, serve your purpose, but take

843
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.760
time occasionally. Right, So what is the gateway? What is

844
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.440
the ritual that signals that you're transitioning from being in

845
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.639
the world to being on retreat.

846
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:16.719
And then once you're on retreat.

847
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.840
I think creative activities are great because they activate the

848
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.760
right side of the brain. They bring you into a

849
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:26.679
different space. So it could be reading poetry, singing, listening

850
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:30.559
to music, writing with the stream of consciousness. You know,

851
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:36.199
write as if no one will ever read what you write.

852
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.320
When we start journaling, we're very self conscious.

853
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:40.360
How can I read? You know what if my kids

854
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:41.119
find my journal?

855
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:44.760
You know, I be so embarrassed, you know, burn it

856
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.400
after the retreat if you want, I don't care. Start

857
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:53.440
start letting your stream of consciousness flow. Yeah, it's a

858
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.559
habit once you get into the habit of tuning in.

859
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.159
My God, this is so rich that you won't be

860
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:01.239
able to do without it.

861
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:01.480
Right.

862
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.400
Let go of that ideology of business that I must

863
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.719
be busy because if I take time for myself, I'm deficient. No,

864
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.360
if you take time for yourself, you're actually doing a

865
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:12.519
service to everyone else.

866
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:14.559
That's exactly right. Thank you for saying that. I was

867
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.039
going to encourage you to say something like that. So

868
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.280
it happens so fast. For this show goes so quickly,

869
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.559
especially we're having such a rich conversation. Say, in about

870
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:25.800
thirty seconds, what would you like to leave our listeners

871
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.239
with around the world who are looking for this kind

872
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.559
of experience and to elevate who they're being in the

873
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:31.960
world and their impact.

874
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:37.719
Well, Number one, be kind to yourself. Number two, experiment

875
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.320
if you've never done retreats. If you're not used to

876
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:45.159
connecting with yourself, baby steps, Take one hour, don't do

877
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.480
anything fancy, just take one hour by yourself. Bring another book,

878
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:55.400
a pen, disconnect the phones, no agenda, and see what happens.

879
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:59.159
Tune in, listen to your thoughts, Notice what's happening.

880
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:03.480
Start small. That's what I would really like to live.

881
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.559
And if you're used to doing longer retreats, and then

882
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.800
by all means, you know, give yourself permission because you're

883
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:11.000
doing yourself.

884
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:12.000
And you're doing the world a favor.

885
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:13.880
When you do that, you will come out of the

886
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.800
retreats so enriched and so so clear about your purpose

887
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:20.760
that you're doing actually a service to the world.

888
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.719
That is a beautiful way to finish Fabreeze. I'm so

889
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.000
grateful that you came into my path. I'm grateful for

890
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.320
what you taught me in your book. That we get

891
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:31.360
to share you with our listeners and viewers around the world,

892
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.079
and they now too will be elevated by you. Thank

893
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:35.679
you for coming on working on purpose.

894
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:37.800
Thank you, Eddis. I really enjoyed it.

895
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:40.519
Listeners and viewers, you're going to want to learn more

896
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.440
about this man. So I recommend that you check out

897
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.800
his website. You can there find information about his book,

898
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.719
The Art of Retreats. You can also learn about more

899
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.760
of the work that he does elevating consciousness and performance

900
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.800
and facilitating retreats his website. His personal website is his

901
00:48:54.880 --> 00:49:00.159
last name dem Moresco, which is spelled des mar E

902
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:06.199
Scauxdamoresco dot com. Thanks for tuning in. See you next

903
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:10.000
week for another nourishing educational conversation on creating destination workplaces

904
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.320
where people thrive, leaders inspire greatness, and business is done

905
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.519
that betters the world. And remember, work is one of

906
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:17.840
the best adventures and means of realizing our potential and

907
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:20.719
making the impact we crave. So let's work on Purpose.

908
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.480
We hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure to

909
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.159
tune into Working on Purpose featuring your host, doctor Elise Cortes,

910
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.599
each week on W four CY. Together we'll create a

911
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:38.239
world where business operates conscientiously, leadership inspires and passion performance,

912
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:41.119
and employees are fulfilled in work that provides the meaning

913
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:44.960
and purpose they crave. See you there, Let's work on Purpose.