The Renaissance Woman Helping People Work from Purpose

WEBVTT

1
00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:10.519
What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

2
00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:15.839
People ache for meaning and purpose at
work, to contribute their talents passionately

3
00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:20.679
and know their lives really matter.
They crave being part of an organization that

4
00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:26.239
inspires them and helps them grow into
realizing their highest potential business can be such

5
00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:30.519
a force for good in the world, elevating humanity. In our program,

6
00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:35.759
we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want Working

7
00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:53.479
on purpose. Now Here is your
host, doctor Elise Cortes. Welcome back

8
00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:55.960
to the Working on Purpose Program.
Thanks for tuning in again this week.

9
00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.079
I'm your host, doctor Elese Cortez, joining you live from Dallas, Texas,

10
00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:00.799
which is home bas from me.
By way of introduction, I'm a

11
00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:04.280
management consultant and I specialize in meaning
and purpose. I'm an organizational law with

12
00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:07.599
therapist, social scientist and author.
If you've been tuning in for a while,

13
00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:11.239
you know this program as a thought
leadership series that enlightens the inspires listeners

14
00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.719
and with insights from distinguished business leaders, authors and subject matter experts. And

15
00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.239
by listening in, you're part of
the movement to create inspirational leaders who make

16
00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.200
work a place we can thrive and
organizations that better the world. Glad you're

17
00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:27.519
here. Our guest today is Joanne
Hayman. She's the founder and CEO of

18
00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:34.560
Hayman Partners Wide and is widely recognized
as a transformative force for good, bringing

19
00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.560
a mission driven focus to institutions across
sectors, cultures, and countries. I

20
00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:44.400
affectionately refer to as the modern renaissance
woman as She's also served as the founding

21
00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:48.920
executive director of the Urban Zen Foundation
and has also served as the executive director

22
00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:53.560
of the International Center in New York, vice president of the Corporations of Yado,

23
00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.280
and Managing director of the Financial Services
Volunteer Corps, and as a senior

24
00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.200
advisor to the Golden Sachs Foundation and
the American Jewish War Service, among many

25
00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:05.000
other distinguishing endeavors. You joined you
today from New York City, Johanna,

26
00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.960
Welcome to Working on Purpose. Thank
you so much, Elise. I can't

27
00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:12.319
tell you how much I've been looking
forward to this conversation. You know,

28
00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.360
It's just great when I meet really
amazing like minded souls from across the globe

29
00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:19.639
who are doing amazing things to lift
up humanity, make the world a better

30
00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:24.240
place, increase fulfillment, and just
have fun in the process. Absolutely and

31
00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:30.199
having fun in the process. Yeah. Well, so let's also celebrate you.

32
00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:35.319
You have the glorious distinction Joanne of
being episode number three hundred on working

33
00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.120
on purpose. How cool is that? Wow? Lucky three hundred. Let's

34
00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:42.680
do something with that. Okay,
So to get started here, so our

35
00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:46.000
guests re viewers understand why I call
you a renaissance woman. Tell us a

36
00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.400
little bit about your background and kind
of where you've come from, just briefly,

37
00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.800
what makes you you some of those
things. Thank you, and I

38
00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:58.520
so appreciate the very kind label of
renaissance women. I myself as an omnivore,

39
00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:02.000
which may be a little bit closer
given appetites, you know, at

40
00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:06.680
least I am. I'm a very
curious person who is interested in it and

41
00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.360
enjoys many, many different things.
And when I look back at my career

42
00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:14.599
path and what led me to it, it wasn't a grand plan, it

43
00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:21.680
wasn't a scheme all laid out.
It was really following opportunity and passion and

44
00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:28.879
desire throughout the course of my education
and my career. I think I combined

45
00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:34.120
that curiosity with a decent enough appetite
for risk, and so have been able

46
00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:38.599
to move through a career that was
not only really rewarding, but ended up

47
00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:44.400
creating building blocks that led me to
where I am now. So I started

48
00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:47.319
off thinking that I was going to
be a lawyer, got to college,

49
00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:53.479
was introduced to a literature course that
blew my mind, and I didn't actually

50
00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:57.319
realize that one could spend a lot
of time in school picking apart text,

51
00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.759
and so we sort of delved into
literature. I had a chance to live

52
00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:05.960
overseas, and the early part of
my career was about this kind of international

53
00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:13.759
exploration and text exploration, and I
spent a lot of time working working in

54
00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:19.120
development, went back and got a
graduate degree in international political economy, and

55
00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:28.240
so got to exercise a lot of
these kind of questions and passions and connections

56
00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:32.120
that were very meaningful the first twenty
five years of my career. So please

57
00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:35.959
nobody do the math here, But
the first twenty five years of my career

58
00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:42.920
was all in not for profit organizations
and philanthropic institutions, and so I'm very

59
00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.600
much wired as a mission driven person
and had the opportunity to get in on

60
00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:53.879
the ground floor of some great organizations
or to participate in some turnaround. So

61
00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:59.199
I spent twenty five years in senior
management, probably when I shouldn't have been,

62
00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.120
but it was just kind of the
place that I landed, and so

63
00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:09.519
learned an awful lot about what it
takes to design and deliver programming and to

64
00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:15.759
grow an organization that can have a
sustained impact. And having been a first

65
00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:20.480
executive director in some places, a
turnaround specialist in others, I looked back

66
00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:26.600
and said, Okay, there's a
lot of experience here in this pro social

67
00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.560
sector, but I want to work
and live differently. And so, speaking

68
00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:36.439
of anniversaries, Hayman Partners opened its
virtual doors on November one, twenty ten.

69
00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:42.360
So I'm about to celebrate my tenth
anniversary on Sunday, and I kind

70
00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:47.319
of looked at the aggregate of everything
I had learned and done and observed in

71
00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.120
twenty five years and said, how
can I continue to be of service,

72
00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:55.680
but to do it in a different
way. And so I created Hayman Partners

73
00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:03.319
as a consulting practice to try to
bring that collected experience and perspective and to

74
00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:09.680
do it and sit next to somebody
who was doing the same thing so really

75
00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:13.759
sort of at their right hand.
I had the good fortune during this transition

76
00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.839
of meeting a woman who became my
coach, and so I saw up close

77
00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:21.120
and personal the power of coaching.
So for the past ten years, after

78
00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:25.439
having gone through a training program with
her company, I've been able to weave

79
00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:31.000
together the consulting and coaching in a
way that I believe can be truly beneficial

80
00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.319
to individuals and teams as they go
out in the world and try to do

81
00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:40.319
something extraordinary. That was breathtaking and
stunning too. Winn, thank you for

82
00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.920
increase start, Wow and listeners.
If you always think about that, right,

83
00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.959
how can you take your fullsome total
person and bring that into the world

84
00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.920
and be of the highest value and
have great jobs upon the same time.

85
00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.879
I mean, that's what we're going
for here. So what a way to

86
00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:56.680
start. So I don't know if
you can do this or not doing a

87
00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:59.439
try. I just wanted to see
if you could take a few of the

88
00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.519
pearls, some of the things that
you pull from your study or your resources

89
00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:08.240
that you think particularly inform the way
you do your work. Absolutely, So,

90
00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.800
I mean I don't want to overdo
the talk about curiosity. It's such

91
00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:17.639
an important thread. But there are
a number of resources that I draw that

92
00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:25.319
are both textual and their practices and
their people. So I am a yoga

93
00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:30.240
practitioner and I meditate, so there's
a lot in terms of contemplative practices that

94
00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.759
I bring to my work, which
really helps me with noticing, listening,

95
00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:40.600
and paying attention both to myself and
to whomever I'm working with, and to

96
00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:46.560
also encourage them to do the same. I'm also constantly reading. There are

97
00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:51.560
I can't even list the number of
extraordinary writers and thinkers who I tap into

98
00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:58.199
on a regular basis. But there
is a school of management that you may

99
00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:03.000
be familiar with called adaptive leadership that
I am very much enamored with and try

100
00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:09.560
to tease out a number of the
most accessible practices and make those available to

101
00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.560
my clients. I also went through
my friend Seth Godin's All to MBA program

102
00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:18.279
a number of years ago, which
is amazing and if you've got enough thirst

103
00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:22.399
to drink from a fire hose,
I highly recommend it. And it was

104
00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.800
just, you know, an entryway
to yet another large number of thinkers and

105
00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.240
writers and practices. So I'm very
happy to list them, you know,

106
00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:35.879
after the show and people can see
some of my favorites, but I think

107
00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:41.480
that this adaptive leadership, the contemplate
practices, and then a resource that I

108
00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:50.440
draw on a lot is parenting.
So and I'm very fortunate that I've raised

109
00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:52.960
my children with my husband, who's
an extraordinary parent. And there's so much

110
00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.080
we learn from our children. There's
so much that we learn in trying to

111
00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:03.559
help shape them and do what good
coaches do, which is not always tell

112
00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:07.039
you what to do, but help
you figure out what you want to do.

113
00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:15.159
And so I use that as a
touchstone in my own work and encourage

114
00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.840
others to do the same as well. Join this gorgeous and I line on

115
00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:20.519
so much of that too. There's
a reason I continue hosting this radio show

116
00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:26.000
because I'm also feeding my voracious appetite
to learn and grow and remain curious.

117
00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.440
So I get a lot of what
you're saying. Okay, so next let's

118
00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:33.879
dive into for listeners of yours that
don't really understand what we mean by transformational

119
00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.759
growth, I'd like to hear your
definition of that first, you would,

120
00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.639
sure, so For me, transformational
growth isn't about just solving a problem or

121
00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:48.279
acquiring a skill. It's becoming the
person or organization you were meant to be.

122
00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.200
Yes, I love that me too. That's what I call it too.

123
00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:54.799
Okay, So why this space?
You and I are working in the

124
00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.840
same camp. Why this We're not
aeronautical engineers, we're not marketing extraordinaries.

125
00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.840
I guess we kind of are.
Really we're not accounts. Were on that

126
00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:07.679
too, But we're in transformational growth. Why this space? You know,

127
00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:13.240
I feel that the world is calling
us to be in this space. And

128
00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.080
this was even pre COVID, and
we can talk about what the COVID moment

129
00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.279
is asking of all of us.
But I think for many people, and

130
00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:24.840
I want to be really clear here, at least for people who are in

131
00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.799
a position to make choices. And
not everybody can make choices about their career

132
00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.759
and their life, but for those
people who are in that very fortunate position

133
00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:43.879
to make choices, for transformational growth
is the opportunity to really step into your

134
00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:48.519
purpose a greed. And also I
want to be really clear. We don't

135
00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.679
all know what our purpose is all
the time, right, It's not as

136
00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:52.159
the business thing this sort of like
stuck to our forehead and be like,

137
00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:54.519
oh yeah, just look in the
mirror and it's there. It requires some

138
00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.399
work to get there. But I
think at least I am in this space

139
00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:03.720
because if you're going to do the
work, do the work that matters,

140
00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:09.480
work smart, work well, work
for something that has meaning and sustainability that's

141
00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:11.960
bigger than you. Well, let's
do grab what you just said. What

142
00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.200
is COVID calling of us. I
think it's calling us to be nimble,

143
00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.720
to be open, to be okay
with not having the answers. There's no

144
00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:30.879
playbook for this. And I'm not
talking about the extraordinary scientists and others who

145
00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.960
are working for Q. I'm talking
about not having answers as either as individuals

146
00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.360
or as leaders in companies or leaders
of our own lives. I think it's

147
00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:46.919
saying, get comfortable with not knowing
the answer, Get comfortable with trying some

148
00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:52.919
things and seeing how they work.
Suspend judgment, see how things go,

149
00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.480
and also listen in a way maybe
we haven't listened before to other people.

150
00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:05.200
Observe what is going on, how
is your team doing, how is your

151
00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:11.039
family doing, don't make any assumptions, ask questions, and so it's creating

152
00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.519
an opportunity for stronger bridges to be
built if we're willing to do the work

153
00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.519
beautiful. I love that. I'm
completely aligned with that, Joanne. Okay,

154
00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:22.159
so now I'm willing in to beat
that. A lot of people who

155
00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.120
are actually listening to this, are
watching this, are on because they want

156
00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:31.720
to understand the possibility of going from
a job to working from purpose. And

157
00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.759
so you have a lot of your
work focuses on helping people transition from jobs

158
00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.159
to work a purpose. And so
I don't know what you when you talk

159
00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:41.080
about jobs, what you mean by
that, if that's a job or something

160
00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:46.480
else. But why this particular work. Why go from a job which which

161
00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.679
is perfectly great for a lot of
people to working from purpose. It's a

162
00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:52.600
great question, and I'm going to
give you an answer. I don't know

163
00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.519
if this is what you were anticipating. You might stay in the same job

164
00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:01.600
and still work from purpose. Yes, ma'am. Is not just about saying,

165
00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.440
oh, go get a better job, go do that thing. You

166
00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.840
might find that thinking about the work
you do differently and having that unbelievably important

167
00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:15.840
mindset shift can get you into purpose
where you are not always. There may

168
00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:20.639
be those times when yes, shifting
a position, a company and industry is

169
00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.320
what is in order, or it
may be, how do you take a

170
00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.639
step back and say, what am
I really doing here? How am I

171
00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:35.240
showing up? Am I making the
kind of contribution that I'm capable of?

172
00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:43.159
And so working from purpose is not
just or only about changing the external environment,

173
00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:48.519
is changing the internal environment? Agreed? Agreed completely. I have to

174
00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.000
quickly share with you because you just
brought this up. You're so right that

175
00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.519
attitude, that internal mindset change is
so important. My research on modes of

176
00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:58.879
engagement, which I found fifteen modes
of engagement when I looked at levels of

177
00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:05.399
meaning and how the work either informed
or detracted from the person. In my

178
00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:09.399
research, I interviewed a chef who
wanted to interviewed him Joanne. During the

179
00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:13.240
course of the ninety minute conversation,
he fell into tears five times. He

180
00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.000
was so miserable in his work.
He hated his job, he hated his

181
00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.840
boss. He was screaming. He
felt like, I'm working all the time

182
00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:22.799
and my family isn't I work Friday
and Saturday night. I'm stuck in this

183
00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.200
job because I make a lot of
money and I've got to pay my ex

184
00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:28.879
wife. I mean, he just
was it was awful. He was in

185
00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:33.320
the least possible mode that you could
experience full film and actually negatively impacting his

186
00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:39.519
identity called existential crisis. So you
can imagine how I felt when I thought

187
00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:41.919
about I'm going to Part of my
design was I have to come back and

188
00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.759
share the results with these people and
see if they agree with my assessment of

189
00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.639
how they were doing at the time, and that was it was part of

190
00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:54.200
my you know, my collaboration and
check process. So I was not looking

191
00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:54.960
forward to the call with this guy. Mean, who do you do you

192
00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.759
want to tell somebody? Look,
you're an exidential crisis. So the call

193
00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.799
ca and he goes, Oh,
Lee, I'm so glad to hear from

194
00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:07.600
you. I've gone from exoso crisis
all the way up to conflicted fit.

195
00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:13.320
I'm such a better place, he
goes. He goes, here's what happened,

196
00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.240
He goes, After you shared the
transcript with me of my interview,

197
00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.200
I shared with my wife and my
mom, who sobbed when they read it

198
00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.240
because they had no idea how badly
I felt, and so they changed their

199
00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:26.879
connection with me and their support of
me, and I began to see,

200
00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:28.759
look, you know, my boss
is still going to be a jerk.

201
00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.159
He's still going to yell at me. I'm still gonna have the same crappy

202
00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.559
hours, but you know what,
I make a lot of money and I

203
00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.480
can send my kids to college and
they think where I work is pretty cool,

204
00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:39.559
so they're proud of me. So
even though he was not really in

205
00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.759
a fulfilled place, still he was
doing the right work, but in the

206
00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:48.120
wrong place. He only changed how
he was connected to his work as experience.

207
00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.519
So it was just from his mindset, just like you were saying,

208
00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:56.039
so powerful, right, so powerful. So we are sisters from a different

209
00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:00.240
mother. I'm sure of it.
But let's grab our first break. I'm

210
00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.279
Elise Cortez with her on the earth
Joanne Hayman. She is the founder and

211
00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.720
CEO of Hayman Partners and is a
widely recognized as a as a transformative force

212
00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.879
for good, bringing a mission driven
focused institutions across sectors, cultures, and

213
00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.519
countries. She jogs today from New
York City. We've been talking about how

214
00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.919
it is she got into this camp
and now she brings her full person to

215
00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.399
it. After the break, we're
going to talk more about some of the

216
00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.759
tools and messages that she uses in
her work to bring her people fully alive,

217
00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:29.279
stay with us. We'll be right
back. Doctor Elise Cortes is a

218
00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:34.639
management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose
and inspirational speaker and author. She helps

219
00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:41.639
companies visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders
and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused

220
00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:48.919
cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance,
and commitment within the workforce. To learn

221
00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.159
more or to invite Elise to speak
to your organization, please visit her at

222
00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:57.240
elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about
how to get your employees working on purpose.

223
00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:08.720
This is working on purpose with doctor
Elise Cortes. To reach our program

224
00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:15.000
today or open a conversation with Alise, send an email to a lease Ali

225
00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:29.160
s at elisecortes dot com. Now
back to working on purpose. Thanksteresting with

226
00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.559
us, and welcome back to working
on purpose. If you aren't already aware,

227
00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:37.079
we've blaunched the gusto now site.
It's a transformation e learning platform dedicated

228
00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.519
to awakening meaning, passion, inspiration, purpose, and individuals and leaders.

229
00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:45.039
It features leadership and professional development courses
in English, Spanish and Portuguese. You

230
00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.319
can learn more at gustodashnow dot com, and while you're there, subscribe to

231
00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.160
the newsletter listed at the bottom of
the homepage and staying form of these radio

232
00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:57.319
episodes and to get access to our
proprietary tools, videos and resources if you're

233
00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.480
just joining us. My guest is
Joanne Heyma, founder and CEO of Hayman

234
00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:06.279
Partners, and she's widely recognized as
a transformative force for good, bringing a

235
00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:10.799
mission driven focused institutions across sectors,
cultures, and countries. I'm your host,

236
00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:14.319
Doctor Lea's Cortes. So, Joanne, I want to get into this

237
00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.880
segment here talking some of it about
some of the core things that you stand

238
00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.880
for, and I got some more
conversations and also by looking at your videos,

239
00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:23.759
your blogs, et cetera. So
I know that one of the things

240
00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:27.039
that you do when you coak people
as you have them, start with addressing

241
00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:33.920
the impact they want to make.
Why start there? I think one of

242
00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.279
the smartest things you can do is
not just start with sort of right up

243
00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:40.160
in front of your face, but
where do you want to end up?

244
00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:45.240
So I encourage my clients again,
whether I'm working with an individual or with

245
00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:49.200
the team, what why why are
you doing this? What is it that

246
00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:55.480
we're looking to accomplish? You know, over time with effort with resources.

247
00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:57.480
And so if you if you start
with that and you have that as your

248
00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:03.440
north star, then you can develop
strategies for how to get there. And

249
00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:07.000
so if you know where you're going, it's much easier to figure out what

250
00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.960
you need to do and that need
to do right. If you're an organization,

251
00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.880
can be a series of products or
services, or programs, or strategic

252
00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:21.359
alliances, lots of different things.
If you're an individual, developing particular skills,

253
00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.319
relationships, doing research, taking risks, as I mentioned before, and

254
00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:32.160
so starting with the end point is
very important. Now, impact is to

255
00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:34.680
me one of the sort of the
juiciest kinds of end points, because that

256
00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.599
is, gosh, why are we
here? Right? You talk about purpose,

257
00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:44.319
I talk about impact very similar things. I believe that all of us

258
00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.519
can have a positive impact on the
world if we are intentional about it.

259
00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.680
And so it's about setting that intention, not in a woo woo way,

260
00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.599
although we can go woo woo,
right we want to, but we're really

261
00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.079
in a very practical way. What
is the impact I'm looking to have?

262
00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:06.400
What is the impact we are looking
to have? And then okay, now

263
00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:10.200
we design the steps to get there. I like it and again I'm aligned.

264
00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:12.119
Okay, So another thing that you
talk about, which again I'm fully

265
00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.599
aligned with, is you talk about
the necessity of obstacles and stress along the

266
00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.680
journey to growth. Why do you
think they're important to us and how do

267
00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.119
they serve us? And I love
that Woe could smile, by the way,

268
00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:27.279
whenever it was behind that smile,
I liked it for a long time.

269
00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.559
So, as I mentioned at the
start of this discussion, I was

270
00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:34.240
a student of literature. So if
you know, like there's no great story

271
00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:37.559
that you read, it's just like, oh easy PC and everything's fine,

272
00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:41.160
and there's so conflicate we get to
the end. I mean, how boring

273
00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:45.400
would that be. Obstacles are important
because they teach us something. They teach

274
00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.880
us something about ourselves, they teach
us something about other people, they teach

275
00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.519
us something about the world, and
they offer us an opportunity to grow.

276
00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:59.279
So back to your question about transformational
growth, it's very hard to grow if

277
00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:04.720
everything just comes to you. If
there is if there is no if there

278
00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.400
is no p in the you know, the princess in the pea bed,

279
00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:14.599
if there's no there's no lag across
the path, if there is no stream

280
00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:18.559
that you have to afford. We
learn who we are and we learn what

281
00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:22.640
we're capable of when we face and
overcome adversity. Now, I'm not saying

282
00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.359
we should be inviting it in all
the time. It's nice to have a

283
00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:27.559
day, a week, a month, or a year without too much of

284
00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:34.279
it. But if we see adversity
as having something to teach us again,

285
00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:38.039
I'm going to go back to what
we were talking about about mindset, then

286
00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:44.160
we're like, Okay, what do
I need to learn about myself, a

287
00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:47.880
person, a situation in the world, et cetera. M hm. So

288
00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.920
that aligns with my my workmen and
logo therapy, which teaches that we need

289
00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.559
attention between who we are today and
who we're trying to become tomorrow. We

290
00:21:55.640 --> 00:22:00.880
need that. It's actually essential for
right, so again to mention each other's

291
00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:03.759
sense. And so it's probably pretty
scary listeners and viewers. This is going

292
00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.799
to be a freaky. This is
a pre Halloween show right now. You

293
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.000
need to laugh, yeah, laugh
like something crazy. Okay, So then

294
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.759
we have to go into curiosity.
And I love how you said this in

295
00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.240
one of your blogs. By the
way, your side is beautiful. I

296
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:21.759
love all the resources as fantastic,
Joanne, thank you, You're welcome.

297
00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:26.960
So you remind us to nurture curiosity
as everything today is about business as unusual,

298
00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.559
you say, which I love.
And we've been asked to live and

299
00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:33.839
work completely differently, say more about
that. So, as I mentioned earlier,

300
00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:40.759
curiosity to me is just a wonderful
characteristic. It helps you engage with

301
00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:45.559
the world in ways that are always
rich and new. It helps you engage

302
00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.039
with other people the way that it's
open and honest. And so we are

303
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:55.160
being asked to live and work very
very differently now remotely, certainly for many

304
00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:59.200
people, as I said, as
we discussed earlier, with uncertainty, and

305
00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:03.480
so I think that there is an
invitation here to learn how to be agile,

306
00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:11.079
to learn how to be flexible,
to learn how to learn again.

307
00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:14.880
And so if these problems, and
they are problems, I don't want I

308
00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.799
don't want to sugarcoat the fact that
this is this is a really difficult time.

309
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:25.119
But if we can say, if
we can acknowledge that and say what

310
00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:26.720
am I learning about myself? I'm
going to go back to what I said

311
00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.000
before. What am I learning?
What am I learning about we're working remotely?

312
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.799
What am I learning about how much
I need to be near colleagues.

313
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:40.079
What am I learning about the need
for human touch? What am I learning

314
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:44.680
about how much I can do on
my own? And so acknowledging even when

315
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.440
part of the learning is something that
we miss or that we're sad about,

316
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:55.400
that's vital information. That's vital information
for constructing what comes next. And so

317
00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.519
I mentioned that I absolutely love adaptive
leadership as a model. One of my

318
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:06.359
favorite, I think really easy to
grasp approaches is if you think about,

319
00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:10.720
how do I focus on what is
absolutely essential for who I am, what

320
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:12.559
I do or again this as an
individual or a company can do this?

321
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.799
What do I want to emerge out
of this crisis? So essential? Who

322
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.720
do I want to be? Who
do we need to be out of it?

323
00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.000
And then in order to do that, what do we need to eliminate?

324
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.200
What do we need to let go
of what no longer serves? So

325
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:34.799
curiosity isn't just about oh that's cool, let me explore that's a piece of

326
00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:41.240
it, but it's also what may
no longer be necessary? Yeah, and

327
00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:47.880
can I give myself permission to say
thank you and goodbye? Joanna so eloquent

328
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.279
and beautiful, completely love that and
agree of course. And now something that

329
00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:56.799
I haven't really said before and don't
really position by completely alignment that you say

330
00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:03.240
is embracing the notion to clear yourself
a contribution. That's so beautiful. Say

331
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.480
more about that and how that works. So, as I said, I

332
00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:15.640
have a real sort of mission driven
wiring about me, and I believe that

333
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.480
all of us can be a contribution
in the world. And contribution is I

334
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:23.279
think we have a very reductivist way
of thinking about it sometimes in the United

335
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:30.880
States, like a financial contribution,
and certainly financial generosity is incredibly important.

336
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.240
It's important in laws of a different
ways, in particular course of the not

337
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:40.440
for profit and philanthropic sector. So
there's the contribution of money, there's the

338
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:47.559
contribution of your time and talent.
There's a contribution of your attention. And

339
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:52.000
so all of us, if we
think of declaring ourselves a contribution, we

340
00:25:52.839 --> 00:26:00.440
unlock our own innate generosity, which
I believe most people have. And the

341
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:07.400
exercising of that generosity gives you something
wonderful to be proud of and connects you

342
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:15.519
in meaningful and sustainable ways with people
with opportunities, with issues, with communities,

343
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:19.799
you name it. You know what
I love about that is that also

344
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:25.920
absolutely by definition that means you're focused
on other people, helping other people,

345
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:29.160
and of course, from my vanished
point, you can't do purpose without being

346
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.559
of service to other people. So
I love that as well. And then

347
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:34.680
of course we have to talk about
this notion of how you distinguished being valuable

348
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:42.359
versus invaluable, talk about that.
So it was a really wise healer who

349
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:47.279
shared this with me a number of
years ago and she said to me,

350
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:51.759
you know, Joam, you're so
focused on being invaluable that you don't actually

351
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.839
know your own value. And wow, that really put me back on my

352
00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:00.960
heels and I had to unpack that
to understand it. And the difference is,

353
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.319
if you think about it, when
you feel like you need to be

354
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.160
invaluable, you're always I'll do that, I'll do that. You're volunteering,

355
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:11.680
You're doing anything because you feel that
your worth is tied to being available all

356
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:17.920
the time saying that volunteering being invaluable, yeh, she'll do it, no

357
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.240
problem, right. I've been that
person for long, for many many years.

358
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:26.559
I speak from experience and pain,
and that transformational growth we were referring

359
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.920
to valuable is saying hmm, I'm
really good at this, and I'm going

360
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:37.880
to marshal my resources and I'm going
to focus on where I have value as

361
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:42.839
a friend, as a family member, as a coach, as a team

362
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:49.599
member, and not worry about being
everything to all people I e. Invaluable.

363
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:56.039
I'm going to really work on understanding
my value and then offering it.

364
00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.640
I think that's so that takes a
little bit, a little bit or a

365
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:00.960
lot of it to work to will
be able to distinguish that which I know,

366
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.359
which is part of the work that
you do, and then another part

367
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.599
of your work that I really find
quite quite interesting and useful that I don't

368
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:12.079
see a lot of people doing per
se. Is you focus on integrating work

369
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:18.680
and life. Yes, one of
my favorite topics. I want to say

370
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.640
that you can't. I don't talk
about integration without talking about boundaries. Think

371
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.759
of them if you're holding a Barbelle. I think I have integration on one

372
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.519
side and boundaries on the other,
because if you have too much of one

373
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.480
and not enough of the other,
you're really out of whack. So when

374
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.640
I say integration and actually what people
say to me, are you a life

375
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.799
coach or an executive coach. I
say yes because I call it. I

376
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:47.640
call it integrative coaching. So I've
taken a leaf from the playbook of integrative

377
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:52.920
Medicine, which takes the best healing
practices from Eastern and Western medicine and brings

378
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:59.599
them to a patient. I bring
the best of what I have found in

379
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:04.119
person and professional development practices and approaches
and bring them in service of my clients.

380
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:11.519
So integration, to me, is
not about having, you know,

381
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.319
picking up the phone at midnight.
Integration is not about you know, walking

382
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:22.200
the dog while you're having a conference. Called integration is about understanding that you're

383
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:27.559
bringing a whole self to work.
If you're integrating your skills and your talents

384
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:33.319
and your perspective and everything you've seen, done or experience is going to filter

385
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:38.640
into the workplace. So integration is
an important concept for me in terms of

386
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:44.279
understanding that who you are as a
person and what you do as a professional

387
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:49.000
are linked. Boundaries are critically important
to that though. Right when is the

388
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:52.920
end of your workday? Right?
How do you carve that? Where is

389
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:59.559
the edge of your workspace now?
And your home spaces are a very important

390
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.920
part sort of the container. If
you will a lease in which integration can

391
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:11.559
happen literally or figuratively spilling out all
over the place. Fantastic, Joanne,

392
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.079
I Elie Cortes, your host were
under with Janne Hayman. She is the

393
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.440
founder and CEO of Haman Partners,
widely recognized as a transformative course for good,

394
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:25.319
bringing a mission driven focus to institutions
across sectors, cultures, and countries.

395
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:27.119
Tudors from New York City, Stay
with us, We'll be right back.

396
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:33.920
Doctor Elise Cortes is a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational

397
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:40.759
speaker and author. She helps companies
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop

398
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:47.960
purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures
that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment

399
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.240
within the workforce. To learn more
or to invite Elise to speak to your

400
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.119
organization, please visit her at elisecretes
dot com. Let's talk about how to

401
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:07.759
get your employees working on purpose.
This is working on purpose with doctor Elise

402
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:12.640
Cortes. To reach our program today
or open a conversation with Alise, send

403
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:21.200
an email to a lease Alise at
elisecortes dot com. Now back to working

404
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:30.400
on purpose. Thanks for stating with
us and welcome back to Working on Purpose.

405
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.240
I've got another announcement for you,
so exciting. My book Purpose Ignited,

406
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:40.599
How Inspiring Leaders ignite passion and Elevate
Cause is due out November seventeenth on

407
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.359
Amazon. You can order it now. The book is really designed to transform

408
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:48.319
readers into inspirational leaders who radically all
to the workplace and how business is done

409
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.759
for the better. Register on gustodashnow
dot com. On the events tap and

410
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.559
join me for the virtual launch Monday, November sixteenth or on from twelve to

411
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.440
two Central. I'll be sharing some
of the key learnings from the book,

412
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.440
getting it needs into break breakoup groups
by their chapter interest, whether that's meaning

413
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:07.000
identity, passionate, inspiration or purpose, and giving away a few free books

414
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.240
and other prizes. It's you there. Joining us back again is Joanne Hayman.

415
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.440
She's a founder and CEO of Hayman
Partners. Is widely recognized as a

416
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.720
transformative course for good, bringing a
mission driven focus to institutions, cross sectors,

417
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:22.079
cultures and countries. I'm your host, doctor Luce Cortes. All right,

418
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:23.720
Joanne, we're in the home threats
already. This goes so very fast,

419
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.960
so in this segment, I wanted
to talk about the application of your

420
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:30.799
work. And so we've been talking
about just how fun it is, how

421
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.480
great it is. But I want
to help our reader, our listeners,

422
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.839
and our viewers understand just the impact
that you are making with your with your

423
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.319
the people that you're working with.
And so, first to start off here,

424
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:45.200
I appreciate that you delineate on your
blog that there are eight universal elements

425
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.720
to describe successful transitions. I don't
know if you can list all of them

426
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.599
or if you're prepared, but can
you name at least a few? Nope,

427
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:53.559
I have my notes, let's do
it, Okay, let's do it,

428
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.640
or something that if anybody's interested in
knowing a little bit more, just

429
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.640
pop onto my website and it's all
there. So I came to this after

430
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:07.200
many years of work and looking across
the clients with whom I work about.

431
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.359
You know, there clearly are some
things here what can I tease out to

432
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:13.920
help people? So there are really
eight things that I believe This is my

433
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.720
opinion and my experience. I don't
claim it to be any more universal than

434
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:23.200
that. So the first is know
thyself right a successful transition it starts with

435
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:27.759
really knowing yourself, what makes you
happy, what makes you sad? What

436
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.559
kind of work environments bring out the
best in you? Which ones joke?

437
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:38.079
Just ruthless honesty about who you are, where you glow, where you're frustrated,

438
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.359
et cetera. Step two, Face
your fears. We all have them,

439
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.240
you know, just like they say
you don't have secrets, secrets have

440
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:52.599
you the same thing with fear.
We all have it. There's nothing to

441
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.920
be ashamed of, but you have
to acknowledge it. And is your fear

442
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.799
related to financial security very real?
Right worth exploring? Is your fear related

443
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:08.239
to imposter syndrome? Not worth exploring? Worth working through? So there are

444
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:12.719
all different kinds of fears. We
all have them, but really understand what

445
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.960
they are and face them because chances
are they're not necessarily going to be a

446
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:22.480
barrier to transition. But there's something
you need to know about. Three.

447
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:28.039
Ask smart questions right, really inform
yourself if you want to transition to a

448
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.480
new position, a new company,
a new industry, becoming a solopreneur.

449
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:37.920
As I did, start to ask
smart questions about people who have something valuable

450
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:45.440
to say, and these people should
be people who have direct experience with what

451
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.519
you are interested in. So I'm
not talking about Google research your website.

452
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:53.800
I'm talking about person to person conversations
where you can get some really important insights.

453
00:34:55.000 --> 00:35:00.079
Next, take small steps every day. I am a huge fan and

454
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.400
you'll see it all over my website
of James Clear and Atomic habits. One

455
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.400
of the things that's very important,
especially if you're feeling stuck, is to

456
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.639
take small steps. And I work
with my clients on how to break that

457
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.079
down. And the small step may
be scheduling that informational interview. The small

458
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.000
step may be working on your bio
or your LinkedIn summary. So the small

459
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.000
steps may be interactive or they may
be internal. But it's very important to

460
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:30.119
do small things every day gain some
momentum. The next is request feedback,

461
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.800
and by this I mean talk to
people who know you well and really listen

462
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.840
to what they say. Hey,
where do you think I show up well?

463
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.760
Where do you see me not performing
at my best? Where have you

464
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.360
seen me happy and aligned? Where
have you seen me may be shut down,

465
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.719
so ask people who know you to
hold up a mirror to you.

466
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.280
That can be very helpful. The
next is I say, sort of carpe

467
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:57.599
DM, you're going to have to
be ready to seize the day. At

468
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.000
some point. You are not going
to have perfect information, because there's no

469
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.360
such thing. So you have to
get comfortable to the fact that at some

470
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:10.000
points you're going to take a leap
and try to assess. You know what

471
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:14.920
that comfort level could be. Maybe
a little bit of discomfort in terms of

472
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.559
what you're used to, but know
that seizing the moment is going to be

473
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.679
important. Next, create a system
for accountability. Right of course, I

474
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.400
think coaches are great for this,
But if you don't have a coach,

475
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.840
that's fine. Who within your circle, your closest circles can hold you accountable

476
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:32.679
and say, hey, Elise,
you said you were going to work on

477
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:37.199
that LinkedIn bio. I don't see
it. How's it going? You know

478
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.719
those three people that you were going
to have conversations with, what did you

479
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.320
learn it? Sometimes it's health.
In fact, it's almost always helpful for

480
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.480
us to have people who can help
us be accountable, not to what they

481
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.440
say we should do, but to
what we say we want to do.

482
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.480
And then, lastly, for goodness
sake, have a sense of humor,

483
00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:00.840
right, have laugh A laughter is
so good, so good for us physically,

484
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.840
emotionally and in every way possible.
You have to have a sense of

485
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.840
humor. You're going to make mistakes. Not everything's going to be perfect.

486
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:12.760
You might be silly. It's fine, and invite laughter into the process and

487
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.119
it will not only be more joyful, it'll probably be more successful. All

488
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.800
right, Listeners and viewers to hear
that that was a special gift for you,

489
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.960
So please take that and go for
it. If you didn't write it

490
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:24.280
down, just come back and listen
to it again as well. Worth going

491
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:28.519
through those steps. And there's also
something on her on her website as well

492
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.159
her blog that talks about that.
So you're you're not alone, You're not

493
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.239
miss okay. I asked you to
prepare and kind of think about something,

494
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.119
maybe a case with a client that
you'd work with, and I wanted you

495
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.920
to talk about what his or her
life look like before you were working together

496
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:47.159
and what was it like after.
So this was a great it was a

497
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:50.800
great question, ptliaust I really am
glad that you asked it, and I

498
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.559
let me go on a chip down
memory late and so I chose a client

499
00:37:54.000 --> 00:38:00.400
who is she was extraordinary when she
came to me, but she was a

500
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.119
founder. I work with a lot
of founders or first time executive directors,

501
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.639
president CEOs or C suite. She
was a founder and executive director of an

502
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:14.079
extraordinary organization and was having a very
hard time showing up as a very powerful

503
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:20.719
presence with her board of directors.
And like me, she's a petite woman,

504
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.320
looks young for her age. I
don't know that I still look young

505
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:27.480
for my age, but I used
to and was really grappling with how do

506
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.000
I show up as my authentic self. I don't want to pretend to be

507
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:37.400
anybody else, but I need them
to understand the gravitas of who I am,

508
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.159
of what I'm looking to do,
without changing, without without being,

509
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:49.000
without pretending to anything else. And
so we worked a lot on understanding what

510
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.920
she's awesome at at, focusing in
on the vision and focusing on the impact

511
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:59.559
she was looking to have, and
then it being unapologetic about asking for what

512
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.679
she needs from her board in service
of the vision, in service of the

513
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.960
mission. And so now, as
I said, she was spectacular when she

514
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:10.960
got to me. But what we
worked on and the transformation that I was

515
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:17.880
able to witness, was stepping into
her own power with no apologies whatsoever,

516
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.719
with great clarity, and it will
come as no shock that this organization has

517
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:28.519
gone on to become very, very
successful. She has raised an enormous amount

518
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:34.400
of money, She's impacting the lives
of scores of people in the community that

519
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:40.039
she serves. And it was really
about owning, owning her power, owning

520
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:45.679
her voice, owning the appropriateness of
asking for what was needed, whether that

521
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:52.320
was attention or resources or authority.
A couple of things. First, I

522
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.000
wrote down if you saw me writing, I love the word gravitas. That

523
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.760
is such a great word, right, So when we can help the people

524
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.159
that we served to declare or access
their own gravitas, like, that's a

525
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.519
real gift. Right. So I
think that so much of the work that

526
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.360
we do jo In is we're catalyzers, right, we're storers, And so

527
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.519
people come to us whether or not
they are seeking transformation, but they often

528
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:20.320
they get it oftentimes. But why
do you think people don't seek transformation?

529
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.760
When is it that stopped from wanting
that growth, from reaching out and asking,

530
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.440
hey, j N, will you
coach me? At least will you

531
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:29.679
coach me? I think that it
goes back to what we were talking about

532
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:34.079
a couple of minutes ago about fear, and I think for many people there

533
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.960
is fear of being just as successful
as we as we actually can be.

534
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.559
Maybe that comes to the level of
attention that we're not sure we're ready for

535
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:50.280
transformation. As I said, and
I was talking about those three e's,

536
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:54.519
does require eliminating things. Maybe what
you have to eliminate and let go of

537
00:40:54.679 --> 00:41:00.440
is a story of yourself. Maybe
what you have to eliminate and let go

538
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:07.760
of is a having pursued a career
path that wasn't really authentic who you are.

539
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:13.119
Maybe there is a sunk cost of
a degree you earned that wasn't really

540
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:17.960
something that you were passionate about,
and so that it's hard. It's hard

541
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.800
to let go of some of these
things. And I think that that's why

542
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:28.719
transformational growth doesn't happen sometimes, is
that, first of all, we don't

543
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:35.480
recognize what I'm discussing, and that
we don't kind of have empathy for ourselves.

544
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.000
That going through this process and shedding
something could involve some sadness or some

545
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:46.400
saying goodbye, but it's in service
where we want to go. You know,

546
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.679
you reminding me. I don't know
if you know Norman Wolf, but

547
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.760
he was on my radio show a
few weeks ago, and he was talking

548
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.440
about and I completely aligned with this
as an identity researcher, that in order

549
00:41:55.519 --> 00:42:00.320
for us to grow, the old
identity must die. Well, that's kind

550
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:02.760
of scary for a lot of people. Death is a scary thing as it

551
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:06.360
is, right, So you know
we're talking what we're talking about here is

552
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.480
already scary. So listeners and viewers, what we're trying to get to here

553
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:13.599
is we recognize how hard this work
is, right, I always say to

554
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.400
people, growth never happens when you're
sitting comfortably on the couch with your feet

555
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:21.239
up watching a great movie. It
never happens then, right, It's always

556
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.599
when things are really hard and it's
just it's hurts, it's uncomfortable, right,

557
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:31.599
and who wants to go through that
except when there's something bursting right right,

558
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.639
right, It's about trying to erupt
exactly. And so there is this

559
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:39.719
resistance to growth, and so what
are some of the things that we can

560
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.599
do to overcome that then make us
more prepared, make us more pliable.

561
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:52.039
You know. Part of it starts
with dreaming love that really dreaming like what

562
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:57.480
if? And not dreaming in a
fantasy way, but dreaming in augh.

563
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.360
You know, it's like it's like
getting back at least too, that that

564
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.880
childlike sense of possibility and wonder and
you know, what did you dream of

565
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:14.960
being? And maybe that's something that
will find its way into your day to

566
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.360
day life and your pay job.
Maybe actually that you can find its way

567
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.440
to how you spend your free time. I think that's something also that we

568
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.079
don't talk enough about when we're talking
about workplace purpose and satisfaction, which of

569
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:29.400
course is where you and I spend
you know, ninety five percent of our

570
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:34.360
time. But it may be that
some of these things that give us joy

571
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:40.679
and purpose are avocational and not vocational. And that's okay. If you think

572
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.519
about your life as having chapters,
and if you think of your career as

573
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.599
having chapters, it may be that
that something is not going to be as

574
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:53.800
prominent a protagonist in this chapter,
but may come out a little bit later.

575
00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.280
Well. I love anyway, just
starting with the notion of dreaming,

576
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:00.960
as you're saying, because what that
does, as it opens possibility, it

577
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.480
takes you out of today's realm,
which may have proceived limitations to it,

578
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.079
into something else. And I love
that. That's a great way to get

579
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:12.679
out of out and overcoming the resistance
to grow. Okay, I have two

580
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:14.880
more questions for you, because we're
already running ont of time here. It's

581
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.079
crazy how fast it goes. I
want to hear what you would say,

582
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.159
is the promise you see when more
of us work from purpose across the globe,

583
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:28.639
I see so much beauty. I
see people showing up as their best

584
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:36.079
selves. I see people when they're
coming from purpose as being compelled by something

585
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:44.480
greater than the immediate experience at hand. I see them more patience. I

586
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:51.360
see better listening and relating. I
see people playing the long game because they're

587
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:53.639
going for that purpose and what we
discussed at the beginning of the conversation that

588
00:44:53.840 --> 00:45:02.519
impact. And so when I see
my clients work from per I see them

589
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:08.199
rolling with the punches. I also
see that being very directive. Right,

590
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:12.800
So this is this is that kind
of Barbell metaphor that I was using before,

591
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.000
rolling with the punches, but also
being really clear about where it is

592
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:22.559
we're going. I think it allows
for better communication. I think it allows

593
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:31.480
for also the joy in seeing other
people living out their purpose, so a

594
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:37.159
whole different kind of connection. And
I also I would add all, I'm

595
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:39.199
on ward with all of that,
and I would also add for our listeners

596
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:44.400
and viewers, and it also it
takes away really competition and makes us want

597
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.159
to support all of that because we
all know that we're getting a better deal

598
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.079
in this world when everybody's working for
purpose. And I would also say that,

599
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.079
especially now in this pandemic, I
think if we've learned nothing, it's

600
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:57.760
we all need everybody working a living
from their purpose in order to create this

601
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:01.239
new world that we're stepping into day
by day and coming through on whatever the

602
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:06.079
other side is. And so both
of us stand for this whole idea of

603
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.920
living and working with purpose or from
purpose. So beautiful answer, Joanne.

604
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.719
And then the last question, of
course is even though this program is listened

605
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.079
to from across the globe, we
have both listeners and guests from across the

606
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:21.119
globe that contribute to this. And
the whole idea is to advance the conversation

607
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:27.000
on helping people to live with passion, come into a workplace that allows them

608
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.440
to thrive and to do business in
a way that betters the world. What

609
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:35.119
would like to leave our listeners with. I want to give everybody a really

610
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:43.480
big no X Ray Date, permission
slip to act like a leader wherever you

611
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:50.000
are. Leadership is not a title, it's not a job description, it's

612
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:54.599
not a box on an org chart. It's a way of thinking. And

613
00:46:54.639 --> 00:47:00.360
if you, if you behave as
if you have permission to lead, you

614
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:05.840
know, lead from your heart as
yourself, lead within your community, lead

615
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.639
within your organization, and really stand
up and take responsibility for things that you

616
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:15.440
think are important. You can indeed
be that contribution and be incredibly proud of

617
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:21.360
the way up, beautiful way to
finish, Joanna. I'm so glad I

618
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.559
found you. Thank to our thanks
to our coming friend, doctor Nahassei Wan,

619
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.960
thank you very much for coming colliding
into my path, into my journey

620
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.079
and being a light in the world
and doing the work that you're doing to

621
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:36.440
make the world a better place one
by one. Thank you for that people.

622
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.199
Thank you. I'm so grateful that
we met in that and that you

623
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:44.159
invited me on and gave me this
opportunity to be in conversation and to share

624
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:46.480
some of the things that you and
I care so deeply about. More broadly,

625
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:51.119
absolutely, Joanne. Listeners and viewers, you want to learn more about

626
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.159
Joan Hayman and the work she does. Start by going to her website.

627
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:57.920
It's Hayman Partners. Let me spell
that for you. It's h E Y

628
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.519
m a N Partners. Last week, you can missed the live show,

629
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.800
you can always catch it recorded podcast. We are on the Aara Steve Brown

630
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.360
talking about his book The Innovation Ultimatum
and Every company will become a Technology and

631
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:15.000
data company in the twenty twenties.
We talked about the exciting ways big technologies

632
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:19.840
like artificial intelligence, robotics, virtual
and augmented reality, and find G open

633
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.440
five G networks gave a great possibility
for humans to partner with technology for a

634
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:28.119
better world. It was very exciting
and very illuminating and very encouraging and inspiring.

635
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.679
It took away a lot of my
fear of some of these big technologies,

636
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.360
and I think it will yours as
well. Next week we'll be on

637
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.280
the air with Howard Shore. He's
the author of The Leader launch Pad,

638
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.480
Five Steps to Fuel your business and
lift your profits. See you there.

639
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:44.119
Remember that works at least a third
of our life. So let's work on

640
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:52.880
purpose. We hope you've enjoyed this
week's program. Be sure to tune in

641
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:57.519
too. Working on Purpose featuring your
host, doctor Elise Cortes, each week

642
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:01.840
on the Voice America Empowerment Channel.
Together, we'll create a world where business

643
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:09.039
operates conscientiously, Leadership inspires impassioned performance, and employees are fulfilled in work that

644
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:15.639
provides the meaning and purpose they crave. See you there, Let's work on purpose.