The Pull to Matter: Dasra’s Ripple Across India

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Welcome back to the Working and Purpose
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Glad you're here now. Onto this week's

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program with us today is Dabel Sangavi. He's the co founder and partner at

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Dazra, a strategic philanthropy foundation that
nurtures powerful partnerships to help India achieve SDGs

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By twenty thirty, we'll be talking
about how Dazra was born, hearing about

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the inspiring work it's doing to improve
the lives of people in India, and

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learn about a new storytelling concept he
and the organization is developing. Dabl joins

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today from Mumbai, India, where
it is four thirty am for him next

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day. Dabl, Welcome to Working
on Purpose. Thank you so much for

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having me. It's so wonderful to
have you with me, and I delight

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in this notion that we get to
literally reach across the globe for each other

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and share the amazing work that you're
doing. So I'm really really happy that

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Jas sent you to me, so
thank you, Thank you so let's start

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here if we can. Boy,
I've been working on passion, inspiration and

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purpose and meaning for a while,
and it certainly occurs to me, Davil,

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that you are a man living with
passion and working on purpose. I

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mean, my goodness. So let's
open for our listeners and our viewers with

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the story and what opened up for
you when you volunteered in Mumbai at the

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end of your college career, and
I think set the whole stage of events

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off, I think for me,
and I was born and brought up in

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Houston, used to visit India quite
often with my parents to see family,

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and just seeing the disparity of children
who looked like me, who were a

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similar age, who unfortunately we're left
begging at traffic lights impacted me to say

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that, you know, there was
something wrong I guess with the world that

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I was born providing housing, shelter, food, education, healthcare, yet

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so many did not have that same
opportunity. And so I think for me,

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it was what can I do to
sort of try my best, I

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guess, in my small way,
to sort of level the plame field and

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enable others to have the same opportunities
that I was blessed with and so I

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think for me, when I was
working with these children who lived on the

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streets in Mumbai, I just learned
so much actually from them about compassion,

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about hope, about inspiration. I
mean, they were every single day not

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only fighting for survival, but looking
after themselves and their community to ensure that

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everyone sort of rose together and they
were protecting each other. They were sort

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of, I guess, demonstrated to
me what the true meaning of compassion is,

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which is not only looking at yourself
and the individual needs, but really

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looking at the purpose of helping everyone
around you also succeed and helping with them

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when they're down. And and I
guess those learnings stuck to through me,

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uh you know, for the years, and really pushed me to move back

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to India in nineteen ninety nine to
really start an organization that supports these communities.

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I think it's profoundly beautiful that you
learn those lessons from children. Thank

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you. No, I mean,
I think children are the best, the

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best instructors of the world. They
have no bidences, they have no sort

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of no way to sort of filter
things. And I think I mean all

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of us and you know, clearly
have this desire to help others and to

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live alife for the purpose I think
through a variety of things, from economic

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pressures to education, to the need
of a materialistic success versus perhaps personal inspiration

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and satisfaction. I think get in
the way as we get older. Well

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said completely agree. Well, so, as you probably might remember from our

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first conversation, among other things,
I'm an identity researcher. So what I

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also know that names means something and
if my research is right, Dazra means

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enlightened giving. So if you would
tell us how did daza come to be,

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where did it come from, why
does it exist? And am I

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right? Is it enlightened giving?
It is enlightened giving in sunscript. And

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the reason we decided to use that
word and really start this organization is that

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we were blown away by the number
of great organizations that exist in India and

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also globally for that matter, where
you have frontline workers, many times from

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the community themselves, that are trying
new innovations, that are looking at how

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to best meet the needs of the
community and our building sort of these initiatives

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and these organizations with actually very little
support from the world per se. And

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for us, that's really where we
realized while giving was happening, very few

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people were really thinking about the individuals
behind these organizations or initiatives, and we

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felt that, you know, these
true partners of change that were literally at

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times risking their lives or changing their
own pathways again to live in purpose to

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benefit others, very few people were
actually benefiting them. So many people said,

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oh, well, if you run
a nonprofit, you should have a

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very low salary. No one actually
should be supporting you. All the money

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should go out to the beneficiary or
the end customer. And I guess our

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view was, while that is critical, of course, if you don't build

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a capacity of these leaders, chances
are they themselves will not be able to

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achieve their impact in their goals.
And so for us, we felt like

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while giving was happening, enlightened,
giving was slightly a step further, where

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you're actually supporting the backbones of these
entities, enabling them to create greater impact

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and looking at sort of long term
change which is very much community driven.

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And I think today you know,
with COVID and the other inequalities, I

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guess that COVID has thrown up we
realize that if you're not really listening to

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the community. If you're not supporting
them, and if you're not sort of

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backing them for the long term,
chances are you're not an enlightened giver,

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but just a giver. And I
think for the world to change and for

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us to, like I said earlier, level the playing field, you need

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to have a certain level of enlightenment, which we hope that we can create

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and provide to both the nonprofit leaders
but as well as the givers that we

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support in their journeys. You know. And a big reason I wanted to

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have you on the show Dable to
share your story is that it would've really

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come to realize over the course of
hosting Working and Purpose for five aenough years,

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is that by choosing who comes up
on my show and together, of

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course we talk about the general gist
of the conversation, I'm curating the conversation

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and I'm doing that on purpose.
So I am absolutely behind the notion of

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helping to create more enlightened communities and
leaders. And that's a big reason I

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wanted to have you on the show, because I really feel like what you're

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doing is I see that you're creating
this really strong net that keeps rising within

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India and bringing it to get their
people in ways they couldn't have otherwise come

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to together before. And it's it's
such a beautiful model that it needs sharing,

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and if others can duplicate it across
the world or help you and your

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efforts, I'd be happy to make
that. I'm happy to make that happen

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through this conversation. So I'm happy
you're here. And then of course we

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have to talk about I mean,
you've been around for a couple of decades

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now, and I believe and obviously
organizations change and evolves as their needs change

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and grow. And I believe,
if I understand and did my homework right,

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that Dazer began as a venture philanthropy
fund to invest in early stage nonprofit

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organizations in India and the aim was
to bridge the gap between funders and nonprofits

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by educating funders to be more strategic
and they're giving and helping nonprofits use the

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funds in the most optimal way.
Yes, no, kind of sort of

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was at the start. No,
no, very very much so. And

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so we provided funding to help our
early stage organizations grow in scale and of

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course quite a bit of managerial support. Again, our realization I guess was

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the while going back to enlightened giving. While there are many check writers in

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the world and that's very very important
to give, many times again the emotional

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support and the managerial guidance was missing, and and really the connect with the

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community as well. And so unfortunately
what happens at times in the giving space

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is those who are writing the checks, they they they give a quite a

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bit of power with that check and
they dictate where the funds can go,

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how they should be spent. They
end up many times forcing the organizations to

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either cut corners and programs or have
very short timeframes when many of these nonprofits

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are looking at generational changes which cannot
happen in a three to six month period

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but actually takes years to embed in
the communities that they're trying to serve.

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And so for us, I think
it was really saying that you know,

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once you find that organizational organizations that
you're supporting, you need to back them

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to the till because you're not actually
just supporting them. You're trying to,

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for example, end child marriage in
a country. And once you realize that

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that is your mission, I think
you become far more open and gracious in

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terms of being able to actually write
those checks and realize it's a privilege to

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have organizations and individuals that are working
on this cause, and it's in your

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best interests and the community's best interests
for that matter, to really be there

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as a real partner and listen to
them, not the other way around.

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And so that's really sort of the
learnings that we've had over the years is

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you know, trust that NGEO leader
as you would an entrepreneur in the for

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profit space who has created a product
that the market likes, and guide them

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and support them, versus saying,
well, I gave you a check,

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so now I need X, Y, and Z, and if you don't

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do this within the stipulated timeframe,
I'm going to go to your competitors.

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Let's speak that. I mean,
Unfortunately, that doesn't necessarily work, and

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that again creates short term band aid
solutions which are not going to solve any

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of these generational issues that we see
in India or globally for that matter.

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I really like that direction, really
really align with that direction. And then

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another thing that I thought was really
fascinating and that I wanted to delve into

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it. I mentioned in the introduction
this idea of scaling to achieve the Sustainable

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Development Goals by twenty thirty, this
whole notion. Those are critical drivers for

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DAZRA. And so first help us
understand, if you would, what are

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these sustainable development goals and which organizations
do they derive from. So, the

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Sustainable Development Goals were created at the
United Nations in two fifteen and all the

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countries part of the United Nations signed
up for these goals. They were fairly

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ambitious. They were follow up from
the Millennium Development Goals which were first created

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in two thousand and so these goals
now have had a track record of in

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fifteen years to solve certain issues that
plague our world, and the entire world

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literally coming together to say we will
put a target and a goal that seems

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unachievable in the sand, but give
ourselves fifteen years to try to solve these

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issues. And when you start looking
at them, whether it's education, livelihoods,

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energy, shelter rights, you realize, given the population of India,

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we actually have about a twenty percent
burden of the sustainable Development goals, i

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e. If India does not meet
it's sustainable development goals, the world does

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not meet them. And given that
this has been signed up again by India,

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but but but sort of declared at
the United Nations, we realize if

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the country has decided to sort of
put that stake in the ground, then

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we will do our best to enable
them to reach that goal. M Well,

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of course, one of the reasons
I gravitated that because some of the

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other research that I've done for other
programs really talks more about the United Nations

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goals and such, and I'm very
intrigued with the idea that if we don't

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reach high, we'll never get there. So the importance of reaching high is

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important. And then along that note, one of the things that I found

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really compelling and I'm trying to learn
from you, is you say that through

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your journey you realize that when your
dream is to impact the lives of a

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billion Indians, one billion Indians,
you can't do it alone. So talk

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to us a little bit about how
who have you enrolled and what are you

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doing to get some help. Yeah, sure, And I think that's again

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you know, going back to even
thus or in our model, we realize

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for any of these changes to happen, it has to have a partnership approach.

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You need to work with individuals,
ideally from the community themselves, that

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are lifting themselves out of poverty and
listen to them number one. And so

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I think sort of bringing community to
the forefront of these conversations, not as

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an afterthought, as critical, but
as you do so, you realize there's

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a need for many other actors as
you stated, to participate. There could

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be technical experts that need to come
in. They could be of course,

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the nonprofit leaders and their teams.
They could be givers and different forms of

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givers as well. I mean,
we've been fortunate to work, for example,

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with corporate foundations that not only provide
capital for these organizations to achieve their

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goals, but also their staff come
in and provide professional skills to these organizations.

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And so what that means is,
for example, it's a bank,

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they're actually bringing financial capabilities to the
organization and building financial models in Excel as

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they would their for profit clients,
and really helping the organization understand the different

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financial scenarios they should think about,
which is especially critical again at times like

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this where there's a financial crisis both
in India and globally due to COVID.

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Really helping these organizations understand if your
budget is cut by twenty five percent,

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what do you do next? How
do you sort of think about your team,

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your programs, your own sustainability and
so really it's about bringing not just

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funding to the organizations, but but
also your access to the expertise you have,

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as well as to networks. And
so over the years, we've worked

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with thousands of individuals, companies,
foundations, nonprofit heads and even government officials

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to sort of create platforms where everyone
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sustainable development goals in that manner where
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the world coming together. We feel
if you can bring various different groups

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together and perspectives with a singular and
very big, hairy, audacious goal,

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chances are you will be faster in
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of expertise, of funding, and
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to affect social change. I don't
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to talk more about how this all
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break. I'm not to release Cortez. I'm your host. We've been in

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there with Davil Sangabi. He is
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Thank you for sting with us, and

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welcome back to working on Purpose.
Before we go back into a program,

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I want to share with you that
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I'd love to have your feedback on it

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and enroll you in the conversation with
us today is dabl Zangavi. He is

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the co founder and partner at Dazrah
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So for this next section here,
Davil, I want to talk about

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and help our listeners and viewers understand
just the incredible work that you're doing through

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Dazra, and I wanted if we
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sheer numbers here for listeners who maybe
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I love your country. I've been
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give some perspective. United Nations reports
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as of January two thousand thirty.
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though there are nineteen others observed.
The GDP capita is two thousand, one

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hundred and four. Contrast that with
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million population one language with Spanish observed
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I want to presence that because it's
just such an enormous contrast. So from

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your vantage point, Davil, what
are some of the biggest problem who's in

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India that does RUS stands to solve
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is very interesting and unique because,
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the population is one point three billion. And when you have one point three

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billion with a per capita income of
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it throws up many many issues.
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and so the basics of for example, even safe sanitation, something that for

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the most of America we take for
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many of Indian citizens today. And
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don't have access to a toilet in
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not actually hooked up to sewage lines, which has proper treatment, which ensures

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our rivers and our lakes are free
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not a great subject to speak about, but when you start thinking about basic

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dignity and one's inability, for example, to use the restroom in private in

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one's own home, but instead are
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just the basis of any society,
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dignity means. And unfortunately in India, just like many other countries in the

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world, women bear the brunt of
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across across the country who don't have
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actually have to use the restroom at
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else is there. They have to
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sexually arrassed, and after sunrise occurs, they're unable to actually use the restroom

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in public till it gets dark again. And so hundreds of millions of individuals

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again I don't have access to toilets, and and and again that that the

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toilet itself therefore is not treated.
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of this is significant, both in
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we have over a thousand children dying
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deaths such as diarrhea. And again
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of drinking water that we have,
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at least, which is again linked
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anything basic you know, from toilets
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in India, there's an array of
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order for sort of again that level
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way that I could have narrated that
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day well, and it is just
astounding. And what I get so present

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too is the magnificence to be in
service of your one precious life. I'm

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just so honored to have you sharing
what you and as we are doing and

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what's really profound. And as you
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the partnerships and such, the one
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you're sharing that is what in the
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work? Because it must. I
know you have a hundred or so people

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on your team, but talk to
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realize this vision And what is the
vision by the way of Dazra Sure No,

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the vision is a transformed India where
a billion drive with dignity and equity,

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and I think that in itself number
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Many times when we look at the
development sector or helping others to be honest,

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unfortunately, it's not about leveling the
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amount to ensure, for example,
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India literacy and around the world,
literacy many times is measured not by if

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somebody can read a paragraph in the
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actually just the reading and writing of
one's date defines literacy. Oh my word

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wow. And and so when you
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literacy is, or poverty is,
or access to quality healthcare is to

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those who don't have access to these
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all we could do is read and
write our names, how far that would

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get us in the world. And
in fact, it is to circumstance dangerous

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because if you consider somebody literate by
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they don't have the ability to read
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sense of of that issue. And
so I think we start really our model

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with understanding these issues from round up
and so many times we do nine to

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twelve months of research in a particular
sector, identifying two to three hundred organizations

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in that sector that are creating change, and start sort of evaluating, you

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know, which are these interventions that
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sort of start take talking to the
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understanding their plans. We start informing
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not just in the nonprofit world,
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foundations are doing, and also what
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giving awareness and knowledge to those change
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to to sort of solve the issues
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through this entire effort, we slowly
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and so again. And on our
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research reports on different topics. They're
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any of them are a hundred pages
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the philanthropist who many times you know, has a full time job so it's

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not fully emerged into the sector,
the ability to sort of go through,

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for example, the tenets of malnutrition
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issue when you're dealing with children between
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many of the cognitive abilities is created, you're actually able to prevent many of

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the healthy issues going forward. And
so providing again this level of insight on

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okay, what is the cause of
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it was actually urban India that suffered
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quite odd because many people thought rural
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also has family structures in place,
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grandparents and everyone looking after the child, where in urban India you have single

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family dwellings where both the parents are
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and so siblings at times are forced
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easier to feed your younger brother or
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a healthy meal of lentils and rice. And and so just helping sort of

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others understand the breadth of the issue, the different interventions that exist and how

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they can get engaged, and the
fact that we open source all of our

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research. We have conversations with multiple
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Slowly, we are actually building a
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you said earlier, that allows different
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coalesce around this issue with the same
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then sort of move forward. And
so that's really been I think our vision

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from day one is is, you
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but then back it up with not
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but more importantly with the communities that
we're able to serve to sort of fight

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against these injustices. I'm going to
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really interesting is is that you've you
you're also encouraging your philanthropists to invest their

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skills, expertise, networks and capital. So it's not just their their pocketbooks,

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but it's their whole person that you're
enrolling in this process. Exactly Again,

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if you're trying to root out child
marriage, something that unfortunately is still

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very rampit in India, it can't
be done by sitting, you know,

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in your living room, writing at
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my job is done. You need
to get involved. You need to

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get engaged, you need to understand
the issue, and again you need to

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support these organizations in addition to writing
checks and so one of the things we

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realized early on was that in order
to create wealth, one actually means certain

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skills, and those skills are are
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they are to a for profit organization, and so really understanding these groups.

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venture capital, and to a certain
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It's really about once you're back in
entrepreneurs, it's to give them all

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you can to ensure they succeed,
and so access to networks, managerial support,

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really helping them think through their issues
versus hide them because they're afraid if

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they say that there's an issue,
they won't get funding. These are the

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sort of disconnects I guess we tried
to change and again level the playing field

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of power and voice, and I
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today, as I said, when
when you're seeing that many of the programs

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that that have been implemented, unfortunately
at times have more of a vested interest

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on what the donor versus what the
community needs. And so I think we

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try to sort of you know,
create that sort of balance back ideally,

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but but really tell the philanthropists that
they're as much of a change maker as

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the organization head. But then they
need to spend the time and effort to

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actually to do so. And and
and we realize through this journey it's it's

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also far more rewarding for the philanthropist
or the giver for that matter, because

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they realize that they're actually solving for
the problem and like I said, doing

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much more than that three minute wire
transfer once a year. They're getting involved

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many times hourly on a monthly basis
to really understand mentorward to help and and

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and co create solutions for the communities
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write that check far more meaningfully,
inflating more meaningful that is that is that's

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amazing. And then to that end, if you could speak to how it

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is that Dazra drives collaboration because you've
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you use. If you could just
speak to that to help our listeners and

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viewers better understand just what we mean
by this collaboration. And I think one

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of the reasons why collaboration does not
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each person is starting with a different
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the knowledge base differs, I would
say with many stakeholders, which which is

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obvious given they're under their their sort
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sort of full time jobs, the
communities that they grew up with or

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are exposed to, and so for
us, it's really number one bringing that

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evidence to the table and that data. And so I think what we've realized

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is if you're able to actually create
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asking people to collaborate or even telling
them where to go, and you make

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that topic or that evidence excuse open
source, chances are thousands of people will

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see this, but hundreds will actually
respond and want to come together. And

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so it's it's very much about putting
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around the world for that matter.
But but but then through that there is

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a process of vetting where those that
are interested to take charge or get more

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engaged start sending us messages, we
start having conversations, and through that we

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start really understanding the dynamic of their
vantage point. They're able to understand the

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field far more than they did before
because they have access to this research.

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They see what's actually happening on the
ground, they've read about the interventions that

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exist, and slowly you start sort
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the same platform, with really the
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collaboration is once you have everyone onto the

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same platform, if you don't have
like the sustainable development goals, something that

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is articulate and that as a stake
in the ground on what you want to

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do in a five year period or
ten year period, chances are you will

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actually bring people together, but they'll
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again, this is even more likely
when you have people from around the world

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or different experiences coming together. And
so we sort of try to align on

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particular sort of metrics or indicators or
goals that we will achieve, and then

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from that we all sort of commit
to do whatever it takes to get there.

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And I think that is the most
critical piece of this process is we

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throw ego out the window and we're
here to serve. And I think that

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is also really important to ensure sort
of not just the long lasting nature of

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this collaborative, but but also your
ability to pivot as changes do take place

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on the ground in the communities you're
serving for a variety of reasons, and

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sort of having that mentality of do
whatever it takes insures even if there's a

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setback, that you're still there to
sort of, you know, understand what

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that setback is and implement the best
solution going forward, versus letting go and

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saying, Okay, this is too
hard or they couldn't achieve their goals,

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so we're now just going to stop. It's really saying, okay, well

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we need to keep trying until we
achieve those goals. And I think that's

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a big difference. It's just so
smart and so big and compelling. Dable,

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I'm so happy to share your you
with Bart with our listeners. Here,

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let's grab our next break if we
can. On Doctor Release Cortez,

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your host, took it on the
air with dabl Songavi. He's the co

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founder and partner at Dazra. We've
been talking a bit about some of the

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work that they do in their approach
to their work. After the break,

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we're going to talk about the stories
they're now began to collect to champion and

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new breed of change makers. Stay
with us, We'll be right back.

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Doctor Release Cortez is a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose. An inspirational

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speaker and author, she helped company's
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop

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purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures
that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment

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within the workforce. To learn more
or to invite a lease to speak to

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your organization, please visit her at
Elise Cortez dot com. Let's talk about

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how to get your employees working on
purpose. This is working on Purpose with

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doctor Elise Cortez. To reach our
program today or open a conversation with Elise,

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send an email to Elise ali Se
at Elise Cortez dot com. Now

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back to working on purpose. Thanks
for staying with us, and welcome back

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to working on purpose. If you're
just now tuning in, my guest is

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Stable Zangabi. He is the co
founder and partner at Dazro and he joins

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today from Mumbai, India. I'm
your host, Doctor Elise Court has so

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for this last segment here, and
I want to share another one other question

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from before that we didn't get to
towards the very end. But what I

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want to do for our listeners and
viewers is help them understand this amazing new

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thing that you're doing to champion a
new breed of change makers, which I

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just think is phenomenal because it continues
your reach to evolve and continue the work

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that you're doing today. I just
think it's so brilliant to fold this in

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here. So you told me when
we were first talking about having you come

448
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on the show that you're interested in
having people tell their personal stories and the

449
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hurdles that they've faced. So of
course you know I'm in for that.

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But why do you think those stories
are important? I think it's very easy

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to be caught in the twenty four
hour news cycle and forget about not just

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sort of issues. I mean that
those are thrown at us on a regular

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basis, but more importantly the stories
and the real stories again, but individuals

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fighting these issues at all cost and
succeeding. I think we don't do as

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good of a job at talking about
those stories. We don't highlight those individuals

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and and invariably Therefore we're not actually
driving uh for for role models in those

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that are at all, you know, sort of cost lifting themselves and their

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families out of poverty, and instead
we just talk about poverty for example.

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And and and so I think it's
having these stories of how individuals have beat

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the system uh and and have taken
matters into their own hands, and how

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interventions have have actually helped them to
do so. I think it is really

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really important for those who are struggling
to number one not only see that there's

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hope, but more importantly, I
think realize that they're pathways that have been

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tried and tested from individuals who are
in the same predicament as themselves. Uh

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and and and if you think about
you know, those pathways and being able

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to follow some of them, there
is a potential of of coming out of

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those those issues. And so I
think for us it's really that's what number

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one drives us every day. And
we know who these individuals are, We've

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seen them grow, and we therefore, like you said, are able to

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have sleepless nights working because we know
that there is sort of a light in

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the end of the tunnel and change
can occur mm and of course, you

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know why did I start hosting Working
on Purpose Because I wanted something very similar.

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I wanted to showcase stories that people
who are passionate about their work at

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first, and then stories of inspiration
and then purpose. And so what we

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get out of these stories is we
get a role model, and we get

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instruction, we get inspiration. So
I ask you to think about it.

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If there was a story in particular
that you wanted to share with our with

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our listeners and viewers, somebody that
you'd like to chronicle and share, who

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would you share and why is their
story important? Sure? And we've been

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fortunate again at us are to work
with Like I said earlier, thousands of

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organizations impact ends of millions of lives
and and and so there there are many

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stories out there. I think the
one that's sort of near and dear to

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me, since this was at the
start of moving to India in nineteen ninety

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nine two thousand, was to help
set up a girls shelter. Uh So,

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this was to help girls who were
either living on the streets, had

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hardships anywhere from being trafficked at one
point of time uh to to sort of

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single parent street dwellings and and so
again just at risk of being trafficked,

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and that's still a big issue,
and unfortunately trafficking is an issue that has

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gone up with COVID. But but
but so so the shelter was really set

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up and designed to to sort of
provide not just a safe space with these

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girls, but really a loving environment
for them to become sort of sustainable citizens

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of their own right. And and
I think that was a big shift for

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again, as I stated earlier,
where you could actually put provide a roof

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over somebody's head, and that may
check the boxes off from a development perspective,

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but but it actually doesn't change somebody's
life. And so one of the

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girls who came into this institute early
into the center, came with her sister.

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She was less than nine years old
and looking after her younger sister.

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And it was hard clearly the experiences
that she had to grant to come into

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a space now that was rigid,
that had rules, that at school,

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that had a routine, that had
twenty eight other girls there that she had

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never even known, and and and
so just going through that and fast forward

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to today where in the last nine
months she actually became years ago a trained

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nurse and in the last nine months
has been working at a local hospital in

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the COVID ward of treating COVID patients. And you just realize how she through

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her grit and determination to go do
well, to get into nursing school to

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graduate, and now when you know
the world needs her the most, she's

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not backing down and she's risking her
own life like many healthier professionals are globally

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to treat patients you know, who
have who have COVID and and and it's

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just shocking because at least in the
Indian context and smaller hospitals, you know,

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PPE again is an issue, and
and so and we can send this

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to your viewers or or post this. But so there's a photo of her

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where she puts sort of this you
know, sort of like a handmade has

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mat suit on and taps herself into
it. And so, which what that

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means is for for six hours she's
not even able to use the restroom work

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get out of it because she's with
the patient. But that's sort of the

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level the PP we have right now. And for somebody again who you know,

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all odds were unfortunately against her to
now be treating individuals with COVID just

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00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:15.559
shows that you know, these things
do make a difference and people if you

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00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:21.719
give them the right opportunities and and
and take away the negatives which unfortunately many

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00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.239
of us are exposed to in this
world, they will find a way to

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succeed. And again this is a
very you know, one individual, but

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just knowing that there's so many others
like her that that I fought through all

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challenges, I think keeps us go
just really speaks to the magnificence of the

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human spirit. To me as a
logo therapist, I just that's what is

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00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.559
the undergird for me, and then
under that for me as well as I

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00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.639
feel like Dazra and you and team
already doing so much to make a difference

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00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:52.599
to those one billion lives that you
want to make a difference to it in

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00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:58.320
India and now here you are.
You want to be able to steward these

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00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:02.280
conversations, chronicle these conversations in order
to inspire a new breed of change makers

530
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.639
that is phenomenal. Table say more
about what's behind that, what are you

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trying to do there? So so, as you said earlier, we've been

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around that for twenty one years and
so it's a long time. We've learned

533
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:22.400
a lot, made multiple mistakes,
but throughout this journey we've been inspired by

534
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.920
by so many and so from day
one, I guess the benefit of starting

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00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.199
something when you're twenty four years old
is you know nothing, You have a

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00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:36.440
zero access to capital, and so
you're there just to learn and to support.

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And I think that same mentality has
lasted through thus ra but we sort

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of realized that it's it's honestly been
unfair that we've been exposed is such inspiring

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00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:52.719
individuals and stories and and really have
learned from them. And that's allowed us

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00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.480
to to, as you said,
hire a team of one hundred people and

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00:42:54.599 --> 00:43:00.599
work consistently to deliver social change and
impact. But we wanted those the same

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00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:07.079
individuals that inspire us, their stories
actually to be broadcasted and amplified more because

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00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:12.760
because we think that if we are
inspired by them and selfishly, I guess

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00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.320
we've you know, had these inspirational
moments and one on one meetings, but

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we haven't really amplified that inspiration to
to the world. And so really the

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00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:25.880
goal for us is to have a
podcast series, which I guess is everyone

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00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.360
must be rolling their eyes now since
there are many of these now that have

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00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:36.039
emerged, especially in lockdown times,
but really to showcase their stories, highlight

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00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:40.920
how they shifted their perspectives and their
views over time when it comes to development

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00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.519
in India, with the goal of
of not just inspiring others, but but

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00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:52.440
but hopefully there are elements for example, in in impact change in development in

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00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:59.000
India, which again has a per
cappening income of two thousand dollars to other

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00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:04.400
countries which have maybe a similar per
capita income, and so the goal is

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00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.360
is to highlight this and to sort
of spread that inspiration, but believe and

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make some connects along the way where
these individuals are able to share their pathways

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which may be applicable in other areas, not just in India. Before I

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00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.239
ask you to drill down that,
let's acknowledge one of our on our listeners,

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00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:29.719
Mirian Zaccarelli. She is she is
coming in from Brazil Oi amiga ecolega.

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00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.280
She speaks Portuguese. I do too
because I live there. So thank

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00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:36.480
you for listening to Merian and she
says congratulations Stable, So she wants to

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00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.880
acknowledge what you're doing. So it's
fantastic, but really quick if we can

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00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.159
say a little bit more because when
you and I first met, you were

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00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.760
just launching this platform, this podcast
platform. So how's it going, where

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00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.800
are you in the process, and
what can we do to help? No,

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I appreciate that, and I think
first of all, I appreciate the

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work you do, and in our
conversation as well, I think you gave

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00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.840
us earls of wisdom on how we
should think about this and being prepared it

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00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:07.239
was number one. And so our
goal is to launch in March. We

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00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.760
have the interview list ready. We're
we're doing sort of the research like you

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do with you with each of the
listeners, and we've actually taken your advice

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00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:20.719
and we think maybe the first few
we may do in a similar sort of

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video and sort of sound I guess
medium, and and so we will be

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00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.800
doing zoom as well as sort of
a podcast. And so the goal is

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to launch this in March with initially
with ten episodes, so ten individuals were

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interviewing uh. These will be established
givers, these will be change makers.

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These will be also stories of people
who've lifted themselves at a poverty and and

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00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:52.039
them telling their story versus you know, us telling their story. And so

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00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.960
the goal is to really again bring
the different stakeholders together and their perspectives tell

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00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:02.079
again help us all realize that while
develop and does take time, by bringing

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these different perspectives together and bringing that, you know, collective action, you

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00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:13.760
can actually create greater change and impact. And so we're hoping these authentic conversations

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00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.320
in long form format just like you
do, we'll sort of start spreading some

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00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:22.960
of these stories and inspire others to
follow in their footsteps or or take up

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00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:28.360
their own passion or purpose projects given
that they've heard that others have done so

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00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.039
with the past, and will they
will? They live on DAAs for somewhere,

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00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.719
So when our listeners and viewers they
now know who you are, will

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00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.119
they be able to find that platform
there? Definitely, so on our website

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00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:43.639
we will have it. We've also
partnered with a podcast provider called in the

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00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:50.559
Field and they've run a few different
podcasts now on in India and so,

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00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.880
uh, there'll be our website in
the in the Field's website, you'll be

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00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.920
able to access this. Okay,
great, and we're getting really, really

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really close to the end here.
I want to do the chance to close,

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But is there anything our listeners and
viewers can do to help you.

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I think the two ways I guess
Number one, if you're interested in India,

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00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.079
please go to our website look at
the research reports anywhere from child marriage

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00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:16.880
to malnutrition, to sanitation to education. We have different sort of data out

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00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:22.159
there and evidence on who's doing what
and by all means, so please support

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those organizations. I mean we give
the contact details of those organizations or were

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00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.119
contact us and we can put you
in touch and give you more more access.

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I think second is really look at
look at who's around you again.

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There's there's need everywhere today more than
ever. And so if there is a

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00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:45.000
nonprofit organization again that you can partner
with, that you can help that you

603
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:49.719
can sort of go beyond the check
writing. I think that is that is

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00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.360
fantastic and I think if everyone does
that clearly, we will be in a

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00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:58.599
better place. And unfortunately, there
is no better time than now to to

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00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.800
provide that level of purpose and support. Beautiful, we're so close and say

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00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.800
thirty seconds are less stable. What
would you like to leave our listeners and

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00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:13.840
viewers with today? I think follow
your passion and if your passion also happens

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00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:17.239
to be purpose, even better.
Wow. That was Chris. Thank you,

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00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:22.280
Davil. It is an extreme honor
for me to share you with our

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00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.239
listeners and viewers and help them understand
the work that they're doing in the world

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00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:28.239
and who they too can become.
So thank you so much for being my

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guest. Thank you for the opportunity, and thank you to all your listeners

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around the world. I really really
appreciate us having this platform absolutely and we've

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been alluding to this before. If
you want to learn more about Da Sangab

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and the work he and his team
are doing, it Dazra. Their website

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is Dazra dot org. Let me
spell it for you, d like David

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as r a dot org Dazra dot
org. Last week, if you missed

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the live show, you can always
catch a b recorded podcast. We're on

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there with doctor Hollywood's the author of
The Golden Thread, and we were learning

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about how purpose is expressed differently over
our life stages as we develop consciousness.

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Very enriching conversation. Next week,
we'll be on the air with Cynthia Fortzman

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talking about her work with archetypes,
which she uses as a framework to help

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build leaders companies. Brand and culture
promises to be yet another fantastic conversation to

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see you there. Remember that works
at least a third of our life.

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So let's work on purpose. We
hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be

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sure to tune into Working on Purpose, featuring your host, doctor Elise Cortez,

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each week on the Voice America Empowerment
Channel. Together, we'll create a

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world where business operates conscientiously, Leadership
inspires impassioned performance, and employees are fulfilled

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in work that provides the meaning and
purpose they crave. See you there,

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Let's work on Purpose.