The Diagnosis that Fuels Purpose and Legacy

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host Elise Cortez. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration from those
people who have found deeper meaning and

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personal connection to their work life.
It's beyond nine to five. It's working

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on Purpose. Now Here is your
host, Elise Cortez. I'm your host,

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Elise Cortez, joining you from Dallas, which is home base for me.

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This program is all about helping people
more meaningfully and productively connect with their

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work and equipping leaders to do the
same for their employees. In terms of

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cultivating meaning and purpose in the workplace, I bring on guests who have a

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particular perspective or experience that I think
contributes to or expands this conversation. And

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as a management consultant and social scientist, I draw on the meaning and work

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and identity research I've been doing over
the last fifteen years, as well as

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from my own consul speaking and developing
experience work across the globe. Last week,

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if you missed the show live,
you can always catch it recorded podcast.

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We were on the air with Kate
White, the New York Times best

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selling author of twelve murder Mysteries and
thrillers and several popular career books, including

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The gut Sea Girl Handbook or Manifesto
for Success. She used the previous editor

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in chief of Cosopolitan magazine as well. We talked about several of the success

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tips in her book and how she
has used them in her own career making

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her way what was in very much
a man's world then as a leader.

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With us this week is Gwen Rich. She is a wife, mother of

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four, an accredited image stylist,
small business owner, philanthropist, and Wall

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Street Journal best selling author of Stop
Complaining, Make Your Own Luck. After

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eight years and eight misdiagnoses, Gwen
was ultimately diagnosed with incurable metastatic breast cancer

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in twenty twelve. Struggling to decide
what to do with the time she had

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left, she launched the Gwyn Marie
Collection Purses with a Purpose in twenty fourteen.

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Gwen continues to fulfill her mission of
helping others. Her legacy on the

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go is the development of an online
teaching community called The Rich Solution. Today,

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we'll talk about the history of breast
cancer, what women can do to

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prevent it, and hear about these
amazing initiatives she's pouring herself into despite her

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diagnosis. She joins us today from
Chicago, Illinois. Gwen, welcome to

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Working on Purpose. It's amazing to
have you here. Thank you. Oh

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I'm so excited to be here,
and thank you for giving me the opportunity

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to be here with you and your
viewers. Oh my gosh, you know

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it's it's You're so welcome. And
I from the moment that we met,

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I was just so honored and really
moved by who you are, Gwen,

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as a person and what you're up
to in life. And to that end,

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I do want to start this conversation
by crediting the woman who did bring

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us together, and that's Henda Samran. She's a dear friend of mine and

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you caught wind of her and your
and your story, and if you want

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to say more about that, that's
great. But if you would start by

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sharing the story of of discovering your
own cancer, if you will. Yeah,

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it wasn't a long road. I
was misdiagnosed for eight years, So

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I'm not going to go over that
because it takes a long time, but

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it got to the point where after
the eighth doctor, someone recommended I actually

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go see a different type of a
doctor, a neural surgeons, and which

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I did. So that was the
ninth doctor who was had a total different

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perspective. This doctor ordered an MRI
for me, which none of the other

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doctors would order a new one.
I had one done in two thousand and

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four, which they were all privy
too. And of course this new MRI

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that was done in twenty twelve showed
the lytic lesions all down my smind that

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all the other doctors had missed over
the eight years, as well as the

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mammograms had missed, So I know
that sums it up very shortly. It

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was a very long, painful eight
years, but I certainly was relieved.

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I was actually blessed when I got
the diagnosis. I don't know if anyone

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who's listening has ever had some type
of a simple or chronic pain and then

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the doctors can't figure out what it
is, and that's what happened to me

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for eight years, and so they
really thought I thought I was crazy.

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No one believed me, so finally, when I got the diagnosis November six,

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twenty twelve. I was actually relieved
and blessed that finally I had something,

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I knew what it was and we
could move forward from there. You

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are so strong. When so strong, I want to also say a little

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bit about our coming from Henda,
because I'm wondering how it was that you

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crossed pass with her. So Henda
got cancer or breast cancer in her I

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think it was her early forties,
and then she got clear of it,

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and then she went off immediately and
had a heart attack. So she said,

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by both breast cancer and a heart
attack and like a short amount of

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time. And what does she do
is she trots herself down to Austin,

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Texas and gets a bill passed called
Hinda's Law, and that law is designed

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to be able to help alert women
that just just mamography is not the only

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way to be able to detect that
there might be a presence of tumors.

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It's if you have dense breast tissue. And I really applaud that she was

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able to do that. She's now
actually working to create that effort on it

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on a national basis. How did
you cross pass with Henda? Yeah,

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I was very fortunate, and I
say very lucky so when I was first

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diagnosed, I did what a lot
of people do and I went on the

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internet, which I didn't. I
don't do that anymore. And it was

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shortly thereafter that I stopped doing it
because that it becomes too overwhelming. But

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I was fortunate enough that going through
the Internet, I found out about Henda

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and Henda's law and I thought,
this was the most amazing woman. And

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when I was thinking about what I
was going to do with the rest of

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the time I have left, because
I was my cancer diagnosis is incurable,

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and I thought, well, gosh, you know, at that time,

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I think there's only twenty some states, and I thought, you know what,

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Illinois is not one of them.
That's what I'm going to do.

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And I thought, you know,
I can't do that. I hate politics.

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It's too negative. I need something
that's going to be positive, is

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something that I'm passionate about. I
would have been passionate about that, but

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it just too much negativity, too
much stress, and so I just thought,

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I want to meet this woman one
day, and it just so happened.

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We do my husband and I do
some philanthropic work in Dallas, and

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they were having their networking meeting the
next morning, and I was asked if

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I wanted to go as a businesswoman
to promote my business, the Gwen Recollection,

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and they she asked me if I
know who Henda was, and I

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said, you've got to be kidding
me. You're not talking about Henda with

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Henda's law, are you. And
she said yes, and she said,

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well you can meet her and I
went, oh, my gosh, So

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that was someone who I wanted to
meet and did get the pleasure of meeting

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her, and it was It's been
wonderful ever since. So we stay connected

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as much as we can with both
of our busy lives. Well, and

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you're both up to some really powerful
things. And I want to talk more

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about what you're up to here a
little bit later, but before we get

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into that going, I really want
to help our listeners understand just to share

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academic epidemic issue related to breast cancer
for women across the globe. Can you

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just give us some stats about how
many women might be dealing with it or

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have dealt with it, or maybe
have we've lost Sure, Absolutely, I

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think it's important to put in context. So breast cancer is the most common

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cancer in women worldwide, it's the
second most common cancer overall, and it's

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the leading cause of cancer death in
the less developed countries, and it's the

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second leading cause of cancer death in
American women, which is exceeded only by

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lung cancer. So breast cancer is
the most frequently diagnosed cancer among women of

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one hundred and forty excuse me,
in one hundred forty of one hundred and

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eighty four countries. So globally,
breast cancer now represents one in four of

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all cancers in women. So to
bring it more here, in the United

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States, in two thousand and seventeen, we had sixty over sixty three thousand

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that were diagnosed. They were in
pseudo cases, and that means that the

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cancer stayed in its place. And
we also the same year had over two

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hundred and fifty thousand invasive cases,
and that's where the cancer moves from the

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primary site to somewhere else, whether
that's an organ or bones, and deaths

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we had in two thousand and seventeen
over forty thousand, and that's just in

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the year two thousand and seventeen.
So it's it's it affects a lot of

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people. That is a lot of
numbers. That's a lot. I want.

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I don't. I didn't know any
of those numbers, and I but

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I wanted, I knew they were
big. I just but I thought it

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was important for us to start by
talking about just just the sheer size of

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this this issue, this problem.
And when I when I think about breast

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cancer, you know, I remember
when my grandmother was alive. She's been

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gone for years, but you know, I don't remember us ever talking about

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anything like that when she was around. So I think it would also be

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interesting to understand what's the history behind
breast cancer. Where did this disease come

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from? And how long am we
really known about it? Yeah, and

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that's a good question because I think
most people. I've never talked about history

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with other people, not even my
doctors, so most people it's not a

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general conversation. So the first humans
that knew about breast cancer was a long

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time ago, and that dates back
to three thousand to twenty five hundred BC.

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The first radical mass sectomy was done
in eighteen eighty two, so then

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we jump all the way to eighteen
ninety five and that's when the first X

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ray was taken. Nineteen thirty seven, radiation therapy was used in addition to

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surgery. And then we jump all
the way to nineteen seventy eight and that's

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when the first drug to maxifen was
approved by the FDAY and this is still

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used today. This is the first
drug. It's usually the first course of

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treatment, depending on what type of
breast cancer you have that they start off

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with. That's what I used.
Only lasted about six months for me.

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In nineteen eighty five, they discovered
the early stage breast cancer and those that

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were treated with a lump ectomy and
radiation had similar survival rates to the women

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who were treated only with the mess
sectomy, So that's interesting. Jump to

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nineteen ninety five and we get into
the scientists found the clone the tumor suppressor

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for the Broca one and two gene, which is very important. We'll talk

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about the mutation later. On nineteen
ninety six, FDA approves eye brands,

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which is a drug I went on. This is considered a chemo drug and

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this is only for certain types of
cancer and it helps to stop the tumor

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growth. Let's see nineteen ninety eight. We have to oxifin decreases the risks

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of breast cancer. Who for the
women who are at risk by fifty percent,

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so that's a big number. We
also have in two thousand and six

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another drug, reloxifin, so it
reduces breast cancer risk for the post menopausal

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women. There are a lot of
factors when you have breast cancer and if

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your post menopausal or menopausal can depend
on what drugs you can take. So

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we know that breast cancer is becoming
a much more personalized as the doctors learn

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more about this disease. So we
see the disease with subtypes that have different

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patterns and ways of acting on the
body. So it has the ability to

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isolate specific genes and clarify breast cancer
and in the beginning, so you can

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have a more tailored treatment option,
which is really important. It's really helping

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with the care of patients with their
treatment. Hopefully they don't have to go

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through treatments that don't work and cause
a lot of side effects. So we've

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really come a long way with that. Definitely come a long way since age

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in Greece. We know a lot
more about breast cancer forms and how to

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treat it, and I think what
is more important is that early detection and

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treatment is considered the best line of
defense. Against breast cancer. So I

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know we're going to talk about some
of that stuff later on. Yes,

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So one of the things that just
most recently when I think about how we're

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some of the things we're doing to
try to arm ourselves with this here.

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So mamography versus three D imaging,
what's the difference there, right, And

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that's a great question. So one
of Okay, what I didn't mention about

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my diagnosis, I mentioned that eight
mammograms miss my cancer. That means eight

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radiologists missed it too, And that's
because I have dense breast tissue and my

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doctors did not inform me of that. And so when a woman has dense

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breast tissue, she is at a
higher risk for breast cancer. And one

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of the drawbacks with a mammogram is
that it cannot see the tumor. You

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have to think about the back of
the film of a mammogram is white,

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a tumor is white, So it's
like looking for a snowball in a snowstorm.

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So, just like myself, there
are many women who go misdiagnosed if

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they have a mammogram because you cannot
see the tumor. And so now and

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thanks to Henda's law. It's I
think in thirty five states now. But

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we have better imaging, so you
can have a whole breast ultrasound, you

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can have three D momography, you
can have light therapy, many different options

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so a woman doesn't have to feel
like a mammogram is the only thing.

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In fact, if you have dense
breast tissue, I would recommend that everyone

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go into your doctor and you demand
one of the three D options because a

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momography is just not going to do
it for you, you know when that's

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so important. And I want to
add on to what you just said there

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because when I talked in the beginning
about Handa sam Ran and her Handa's Law,

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the importance of that, the cignificance
of that is just exactly what's happened

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to you and what happened to her, and that was that she went going

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through her memograms for all those years
and getting the clear signal coming out of

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them, but never being told that
she had dense press tissues, so that

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she never knew to ask for other
options. And so what Handa's Law does

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is it actually says to women,
look, you know there are some women,

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many women have dense priss tissue and
it looks like you do in this

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in some cases, in which case
you should look at other options to evaluate

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your your you know, whatever concerns
that you might have or potential risks.

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That is the value of Handa's laws
of being able to clear that to women

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that they either have dense breast tissue
and have need to look for other ways

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to look for ways to see if
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present in and of itself, because
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she came to the table with that
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I'm such a fan of what she's
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said, I know she's out there
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both Gwen and hand need help on
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want to lend a hand, we
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just there's ways to find both Gwen
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anything else, I mean, I
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you just gave us. I had
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back to three thousand BC. Anything
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history of breast cancer. Yeah,
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So cancer is caused by changes to
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Okay, So these changes are known
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be caused by randomly things like outside
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because they would be inherited through your
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everyone is born with a gene mutation
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mutations may be passed from either parent
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varies greatly depending on the agnormalty and
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need to know is that just like
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whether they're turned on or not is
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one and two gene, which is
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everyone has. About twelve percent of
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due to the Brocko gene. But
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they're frozen by the knowledge that someone
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just doomed, and they may have
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anything about it because I'm automatically going
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it a little bit later. There's
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if you have the gene, does
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disease, which I think is really
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develop to develop breast cancer, something
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realize that if they drink alcohol,
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I'll hold on hold that thought,
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there might be some of those things
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grab our first break here real quick. I'm your host. I'm your host,

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Elice Cortez. We went on the
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a wife, mother of four,
an accredited image stylist, small business owner,

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philanthropist, and Wall Street Journal bestselling
author of Stop Complaining, Make Your

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Own Luck. She joins us today
from Chicago, Illinois. We've been talking

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a bit about her own diagnosis with
breast cancer. In the history of this

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particular disease, the rick we're gonna
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prevent this cancer. Stay with us, We'll be right back. Elise Cortez

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leadership and engagement workshops and can bring
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If you're just joining us, My
guest is Gwen Rich. After eight years

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and eight misdiagnoses, Quinn was ultimately
diagnosed with incurable menistatic breast cancer in twenty

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twelve. Struggling to decide what to
do with the time she had left she

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launched the Gwinn Marine Collection Pursues with
a Purpose in twenty fourteen. Gwyn continues

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to fulfill her emission on helping others. Her legacy on the go is the

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development of an online teaching community called
The Rich Solution. We've been talking a

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bit about how the history of breast
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Now let's get into some of those
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they breakbot maybe prevent some of that
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intake. Maybe take off from pick
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if you would go in sure.
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the cell DNA. That's something we
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exactly unless you have the Brocko gene
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and some of them that they do
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drinking alcohol that can increase your risk
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in the family. Those are two
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course there's many other risk factors that
they're really not sure if it has you

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know, if they can pinpoint any
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cool. I get really excited this
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even before I was diagnosed, that
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this is a really new and exciting
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human behavior and how it confect gene
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are worried about having cancer. Maybe
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or maybe they know they have the
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talking about gene expression. So we
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parents. We can, though,
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those genes are turned off and on. And I think this is so cool.

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hurt you if it's turned on.
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was about this study of a spiritual
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a very short period of time significantly
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practice meditation, which I'll talk about
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and the healthy ones turned off.
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cancer patients are those who are interested
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or even a reoccurrence. So as
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who is just once reduced their risks, can focus on certain behaviors like your

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diet, spiritual practice, exercise,
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keep those genes turned off. And
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and auto immune symptoms as well.
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our society is not only dealing with
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our health we're having failing health,
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is worse. So I think this
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found recently, and it just gives
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give others hope as well, to
know that it's an empowerment that we can

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do so much to reduce the risks
of us getting cancer. Does that make

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sense? It does, and it
is incredibly empowering and encouraging. Gwen,

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I thank you so much for sharing
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burning question. It's somebody who does
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the end of the day, How
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cancer? What's going on with the
alcohol? I don't really know that specifically.

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it, which turns into glucose is
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But I'm really not sure of the
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don't know. Okay, it's okay, no, just fascinating. You gave

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us some really amazing information. And
you know what I also really appreciate too,

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is to your point earlier about people
getting me but they find out they

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have the Brocko gene, and they're
like, well, what's the point I

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just give up? I surrender.
Yet when you consider there is so much

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that's within their control to be able
to impact their risk of getting cancer or

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it's spreading or getting worse, I'm
finding very encouraging. Yeah. Yeah,

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community, and faith. And empowerment
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I talk to you about some of
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I look at that and it just
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to put in the work, okay, but there is a lot that you

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can do. We don't have to
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fate, even cancer diagnosis, Okay, So I want people when they hear

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that. So even whether you're given
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cardiovascular disease type two or three diabetes, cancer, you don't have to accept

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it as fate. There's so much
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of health. And I think that's
just really encouraging and hopeful. I mean,

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sometimes it's all people have is hope. I know there's been times where

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that's all I had. So hope
is medicine for me. Well, so

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you said empowerment. Where were the
other two pillars of your business? Yourtuality?

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Faith? Okay, community and faith. Would you say a little bit

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more about those are other two?
And I know we're going to say more

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about what you're up to later,
but just briefly touch on those if you

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would. Sure. So, Community
I think people need to know community is

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really important. Every person needs to
have a community in all the different areas

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of your life, so that when
you are faced with something, when you

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have a problem, when your problem
gets so big, you do have someone

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there, other people to help you
get it, get through it. I

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mean it can go beyond you know, espouse, a loved one, siblings,

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friends we're talking about. These can
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you work with. You need to
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much about what we do these today

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is we go online to find out
all the information and we can even connect

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with people. But what we're finding
is that what we've it really is disconnecting

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all of us from each other,
all the social media. So I would

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encourage people there time times when that's
good. You can go online and you

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can find all the different forms and
all the different subjects. But when once

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you do that, then go offline
to then connect with people in your community

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so that you have it there if
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example. So I was diagnosed.
A month later, I broke my neck

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a very short condensed version. So
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to the fact I fell down some
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in my bones, so had the
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my neck and when I got home, I mean I have to take care

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of myself and all that didn't even
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husband and four kids, and we
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meal train, and within one day, my community filled two months worth of

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meals that people in my community would
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friends, good friends. Some of them

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are acquaintances. Some of them I
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we didn't realize it. But we
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and then it was there for us
when we were going through our challenges

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and problems. So it's really important. Quinn, you are just amazing.

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You fell down a flight of stairs
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of this, Yeah, but that
it was something where if you fell,

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slipped and fell, you'd be like, oh gosh, well that hurt a

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little bit. Maybe I did get
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bones were so damaged, I ended
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that's what comes along with the disease. I got it. Okay, Well,

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would you say for our listeners,
I want to make sure that I

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don't attempt a way to describe this
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right. So you got diagnosed when
and I think you told me when we

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first spoke that you're beyond when they
expected you to live. Is that right,

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right? Yes? So I actually
it's on a MRI in two thou

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fo the cancer, but none of
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in my bones, when in two
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as well, So technically I've had
it for fourteen years. I've known about

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it for just over five Someone who
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stats are only one out of four
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mark. So even if you go
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year mark was in November. So
I've definitely lived beyond my expiration. I

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definitely have a few friends who were
diagnosed with my type in stage cancer and

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they didn't make it past a year
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So I've done all these things.
When I talk about empowerment, and

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I talk about that gene expression and
there's so much that you can do.

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Well, that's what I did from
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office. Even though my doctors even
today oncologists roll o their eyes at what

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I do, I don't care because
until you're given an incurable diagnosis, you

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have no idea what you are will
and will not do. Because I want

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to be here to make a difference. I want to see my kids go

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through life cycle events that most people
take for granted. And so yeah,

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oh my gosh, Quinn, it's
so amazing to have you on the show

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and get you to be able to
share with the listeners across the globe this

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really important message and it is empowering. And I love what you're up to

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and what you stand for. I
totally saw you as somebody who is absolutely

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working on purpose, and again that's
why I wanted to have in the show

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for that reason as well, and
just appreciate everything that you're sharing and who

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you are. Thank you, thank
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this I do feel like I am. If you hear my story, you

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know, how could they not find
the cancer right? Eight mammogran, eight

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doctors, eight ideologists, and nobody
found it. It wasn't meant to happen.

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And that's when when I get into
the faith, which is my third

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pillar. I've had a number of
things that have happened through with my family,

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with health crisis with two of my
children. I've made a pack with

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God, and I really believe that
I am doing exactly what I'm supposed to

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be doing, helping others through my
experience. So I'm very comfortable and at

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peace with that. And it certainly
shows, Gwen, It certainly shows,

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and it's just incredible. It is
incredibly inspiring and empowering. And I do

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see that in my research of looking
at how people experience meaning and their work

412
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in relation to their identity or sense
of self. One of the modes that

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I found is living my purpose.
And I think that's what you're doing.

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You're living your purpose, right.
Yeah. And I have to say that

415
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before I was diagnosed, I struggled
with that. I had the ideal job.

416
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I was a certified image consultant,
so I helped women from head to

417
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toe look their best every day and
build a fabulous functional wardrobe. I love

418
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doing that, loved helping women.
I did, you know, philanthropic work.

419
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I have, like I said,
a husband for kids. There was

420
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nothing wrong with my life, but
something was missing, and then it turn

421
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:17.799
took definitely some events and then of
course me getting cancer to finding this purpose

422
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:23.759
and being and feeling the most meaningful
and purposeful ever in my life. I

423
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really appreciate that. In fact,
a few weeks on this show, I

424
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had Steve Gavatorta on, and he
wrote a book that addresses the power and

425
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:37.039
gift of adversity, and he says
that embracing adversity is really what allows us

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to become the person were meant to
become. And it seems like that's certainly

427
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true for you. Yes, And
you know you mentioned before you thought I

428
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was strong. I certainly from this
experience realized that I'm a lot stronger than

429
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I thought. But going back to
some health challenges with a couple of my

430
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kids, you know, you wonder
why those things happen, and we'll never

431
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.680
know why, but I know it
made me stronger. And I did all

432
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this research. I've found all this
stuff, so then all of a sudden

433
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I got cancer, and it helped
me be right there at that place to

434
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know where to go and what to
do and be much more comfortable with it.

435
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So I agree with your other guest
host, Yeah, I really do.

436
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It makes a big difference. Indeed, indeed, well, is there

437
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.319
anything else you want to say about
how women can prevent cancer before we take

438
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:34.839
our next break? How much time
before a break? I got three hours

439
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.319
go for it and I'm just there
we go. I do have a lot

440
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to say, So women can do
so much, Okay. One of the

441
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.640
first things that I know no one's
going to want to hear about it,

442
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:52.240
But it's changing your diet, Okay, exercise, sleep patterns, reducing your

443
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:58.720
stress, environmental toxins, your gut
health, the importance of communities, which

444
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.240
I just talked to you about faith, which is different than finding a religion

445
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:07.880
or being religious, meditation which I'll
talk about, and then having purpose in

446
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:13.720
life. But diet is the first
thing. It's the biggest needle mover.

447
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.039
So whether you have cancer or not, you want to reduce your risks,

448
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.240
you need to go to a whole
food based diet, a plant based diet.

449
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.119
We've got to get away from the
processed food. You've got to get

450
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:30.599
away from the process refined sugar and
refined carbohydrates. This can you know,

451
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:38.039
food is medicine and it can dramatically
change your body, your immune system to

452
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:44.480
actually function the way it's supposed to
exercise. You can reduce your risks for

453
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:49.480
cancer by thirty two percent just by
exercising. And I'm not talking you don't

454
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have to go run marathons. You
know, it's getting your body moving,

455
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.480
start do something. There's just so
much evidence about how exercise is just so

456
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.119
good for your body, it's so
good for your brain. How they say,

457
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:07.160
even you with these neurodegenitive diseases like
dementia and alzheimers, if you exercise,

458
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:12.559
you can reduce your chances of getting
those two significantly. We didn't know

459
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.000
that so many years ago. And
so they're saying right now, if you

460
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.280
lived eighty five, fifty percent of
us are going to have either dementia or

461
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:24.760
Alzheimers. That's pretty sad. So
right now, empowerment. You know that

462
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:29.039
if you can start exercising, you
change your diet, you start making some

463
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:34.519
lifestyle changes, you can reduce that. And we're talking. My philosophy and

464
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.760
I talk about in my book is
about small actions. I'm definitely not of

465
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.119
the belief that you need to take
big actions to get rid of big problems.

466
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:47.519
It's about taking small actions and over
a long period of time, incremental

467
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.679
changes can have enormously positive results.
That is what I've done over the last

468
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.880
five years. All these things that
I talk about, I talk the talk

469
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:02.320
and walk the talk. I've all
done this talk about supplements. Supplements to

470
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:08.519
me are not optional. We need
supplements because we're not getting all the nutrients

471
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:14.000
we need from our soil. We're
not getting the nutrients because our produce has

472
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:19.039
picked two weeks at least earlier than
it's ripe, and the time it transportation

473
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.519
time it takes us to get to
us. So we're losing so much of

474
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.920
a percentage of that nutrition. If
you take an orange and what your grandparents

475
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:32.639
the nutrition they get, we're getting
about forty percent of that. Most every

476
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.800
person has some type of nutrient deficiency, and of course if you look at

477
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:43.880
the standard American Western diet, we're
not getting what we need to thrive and

478
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:50.159
survive. Wow, that's a lot
to contemplate, and clearly you are a

479
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.000
living, breathing example of why this
is a good idea. Let's grab our

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next final break here at Gwen and
we'll come back. I'm Elist Cortez,

481
00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.920
your host, who've been on the
air with Gwen Rich. She's a why

482
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.599
mother for an accredited image stylist,
small business owner, philanthropist, and Wall

483
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:07.639
Street Journal bestselling author. Stop complaining, make your own luck. She joins

484
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:12.840
today from Chicago, Illinois. We've
been talking about various ways that men and

485
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.920
women can prevent cancer. After the
break, we'll hear maybe a bit more

486
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.239
about that, and also what she's
doing to create a living legacy for herself

487
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.960
and for anyone else that make here. To listen, stay with us,

488
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.639
We'll be right back. Elise Cortez
as a speaker and engagement and development catalyst.

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00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:32.119
She designs and delivers professional development,
leadership and engagement workshops and can bring

490
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.239
her expertise to your organization. She
will help ignite meaningful development within your workforce

491
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:43.039
that will increase employee engagement, performance
and retention. To learn more or to

492
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.159
invite Elise to speak to your organization, please visit her at www dot Elise

493
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.280
Cortez dot com. She would welcome
the opportunity to help get your employees working

494
00:36:52.519 --> 00:37:04.400
on purpose. This is working on
Purpose with Elise Cortez. To reach our

495
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:09.519
program today, send an email to
Elise ali Se at Elise Cortez dot com.

496
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:15.239
Now back to working on purpose.
If you're just tuning in. My

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00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:21.079
guest is Gwenn Rich. After eight
years and eight misdiagnoses, Gwenn was ultimately

498
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diagnosed with incurable metastatic breast cancer in
twenty twelve. Struggling to decide with what

499
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to do at the time she had
left, she launched the Gwenn Marie Collection

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00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.000
Persons with a Purpose in twenty fourteen. Gwen continues to fulfill her mission of

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00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:37.039
helping others. Her legacy on the
go is the development of an online teaching

502
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.239
community called The Rich Solution with Him. More about that in just a moment.

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I'm your host, Elise Cortez.
So on the break, you and

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00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.960
I were quickly chatting if there's at
least one more thing that you want to

505
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:50.199
share while we have just limited time
left about preventing cancer, and that's meditation.

506
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.480
Gwenna, What did you want to
share about that? Thank you for

507
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.239
letting me talk about that. So
in addition to diet being the first thing

508
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.880
you need you should do, it's
the biggest needle mold. At the same

509
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:06.599
time, meditation, as I talked
earlier, Remember how that gene expression you

510
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:10.239
can turn it on or off.
So meditation, they're finding has so much

511
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to do with brain health. You
can reduce your stress, which we need

512
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.760
to do. I don't think that
we talk enough about gratitude. Practicing gratitude

513
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.760
can really shift your perspective. And
if you're going to do something like making

514
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:28.320
changes in your diet, which may
seem simple, but they're not easy,

515
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.079
because if they're easy, everybody would
do it, you're going to need to

516
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:37.119
shift or reframe away the way you
think about a lot of things because you're

517
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:43.360
changing your habits. So meditation really
can make your life concretely better. People

518
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.440
don't understand that, scientifically proven.
It's a life hack. So it can

519
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:52.199
lead to better mental health, physical
health, more energy, and less pain.

520
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.079
So people underestimate meditation. So I
think people really need to take a

521
00:38:55.159 --> 00:39:00.280
look into that. Thank you.
I know I've done a little bit recently

522
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.159
on myself and I have noticed an
amazing difference, And now that I understand

523
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:05.800
the health benefits, I think I
want to make that more of a practice.

524
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:10.320
Thank you very much, Quinn.
I'm convinced, thank you, thank

525
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:14.519
you more things? Right, Yeah, right exactly. I think I could

526
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:19.239
work that in. Okay, Well, as we mentioned before, I mean,

527
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.119
there's so much of who you are
is just in complete online that with

528
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.239
this show and what I'm trying to
do for for listeners across the globe and

529
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.239
you know, standing for passion and
working on purpose. I want to learn

530
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.719
more about this gwyn Marie collection.
Purpose pursues with a with a purpose that

531
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.320
is just brilliant. Tell us more
about this. Yeah, so that was

532
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.360
something that it took me six months
to figure out what I was going to

533
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.760
do with my life. And it
came back to those who would heard about

534
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.079
my diagnosis all said, well,
you know, go back and do something

535
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.000
you're passionate about. So when I
you know, I stopped working everything and

536
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.480
what came to me was sewing.
And sewing, of course I hadn't done

537
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:59.519
in a long time because life gets
in the way, and so I tried

538
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:02.039
a handbag. This was a leather
handbag. I had done toads before,

539
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.159
but not a handbag, and I
really liked it. When I was finished

540
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.559
with it, and it happened to
be around the end of August, and

541
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:13.320
I thought, you know what,
I'm going to make handbags for the women

542
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.920
in my family for the holidays.
I have enough time I could do this.

543
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:20.000
And so when I started thinking about
my mom and how wonderful she is

544
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.280
and I love her and you know
she's a cancer survivor as well, and

545
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:29.639
about the functionality of the purse and
how special it needs to be. That's

546
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.559
when the light wall went off and
I thought, this is what I was

547
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.480
meant to do, is to make
handbags for women to raise money for breast

548
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:43.639
cancer research. But more than that, it was to help the cancer community.

549
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:47.920
It was to connect and comfort the
cancer community, because I know I

550
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:52.519
felt alone and I knew others do
too, and so what better not way

551
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:59.639
to have handbags where if you are
diagnosed with cancer, your friend can support

552
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.360
the I was by buying you a
handbag and you know that they care about

553
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:07.920
you from this gift, or maybe
your friends carry it as a symbol to

554
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:12.519
support you and the cause. So
and then, of course to raise money

555
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.440
for breast cancer research was really important
because we haven't found a cure yet.

556
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.199
My kids came up with the name
Gwen Marie, and I think it was

557
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.800
a year and a half or so
later we launched the Gwen Marie Collection Pursues

558
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.199
with a purpose. So you know, when I got my diagnosis, I

559
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.519
could have acted in two ways.
I could have been in the victim mode.

560
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.719
It's really not in my playbook.
But I took a stand, I

561
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:43.639
figured out how to live to my
best stability, and I chose the latter.

562
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.559
So I'm so glad I did because
it did give me that purpose to

563
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:52.000
get up every day. My passion
allowed me to feel good about getting up

564
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.280
every day because prior to that,
I really didn't feel like I had anything

565
00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:00.559
to get up for. You are
truly a living, walking, breathing billboard

566
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:05.559
for what I keep saying, live
with passion, work on purpose in every

567
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:09.679
way, Gwen. It's amazing and
so beautiful and so empowering. And I

568
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:14.400
love the idea of these purses.
And in fact, let me describe this

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really quick. Where can our listeners
find out about them? Is that on

570
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.480
the rich solution dot com website or
someplace else? Correct? There are two

571
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.039
places still. The Gwen Marie collection
is still up at they I can find

572
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:28.519
everything at the rich solution dot com. Okay, okay, great? Well,

573
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.000
And I do know you say you
told me before and this is also

574
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.960
on your website that you donate all
of your proceeds from those purses to the

575
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:40.960
University of Chicago Medicine for cancer research. Why this institution. Yes, that's

576
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:47.400
a great question, because I did
look at a number of organizations that did

577
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.760
research, and the University of Chicago
Medicine was one of the ones that I

578
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.320
came in. They had a power
presentation. Doctor Fleming and doctor Cozen actually

579
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:02.960
talked about my type state of cancer, and it was like a no brainers,

580
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.639
like, Okay, these guys are
local, they are a research hospital.

581
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.719
This is where the funds are going
to go to. Another point that's

582
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:15.480
really important to anybody who's going through
cancer is that you need to be at

583
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.559
a place that you're comfortable with and
you need to love your doctor, and

584
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:24.480
so a teaching hospital is I would
recommend that before any other hospital. My

585
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:30.559
doctor, doctor Fleming, is a
researcher with oncology and then spends a couple

586
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:36.199
of days out of her week seeing
patients like myself, and she is two

587
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.960
years ahead of other oncologists as far
as what's coming down the pike. And

588
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.639
when you're in my situation or you
know, you're not an easy case,

589
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.400
you need someone like that that's going
to give you the care that you need

590
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.960
and not make mistakes. So it's
very important. Yeah, that was such

591
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:59.320
a great way to be able to
clarify why you're getting to this particular university

592
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.119
and what's what's around that as well
for our listeners, that was great,

593
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.800
Thank you for that. Sure,
we're getting close to running out of time

594
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.519
here, and before we go,
I really have to hear about this legacy

595
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.000
on the go online teaching community that
you're up to. So what's the community

596
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:19.760
all about? How can how have
we can get involved? How can you

597
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.599
get involved? Well, you can
go to my website because that's where I

598
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:27.480
have lots of content. I have
a form that you can fill out.

599
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.679
It's about having a consult about legacy
on the go. You can read my

600
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:35.840
book. We talk about legacy on
the go in the book a lot.

601
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.599
Excuse me, we write about that. Excuse me. It is, you

602
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:45.119
know, a major theme to what
I do and in the book because you

603
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.440
know what when I when I first
was diagnosed, I did a webinar to

604
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:52.840
help reduce the risks of cancer for
women so they could feel empowerment. But

605
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:58.679
I still got to a point where
I had all this knowledge and I knew

606
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:02.119
I needed to do more. I
knew my goal was bigger than myself.

607
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.639
But I wasn't going to let that
stop me and so I'm in the process

608
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.360
of coming up with the program to
help people figure out what their legacy on

609
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:14.679
the go is. But in the
meantime, they can go to our site,

610
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.920
they can purchase a book, Stop
complaining, make your own luck.

611
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.880
I also have more content. It's
all about content at the paptreon dot com.

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I'm just looking to help people as
much as I can. The other

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thing is I have right weekly Facebook
live or regular videos that's on mental minutia.

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So we talked about mental attitude is
so important and also eliminating toxins.

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So it's all about helping you and
your lifestyle again to reduce the risks of

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cancer or even if you have cancer, how you can improve your quality of

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life as well as going remission or
slow down your cancer. And someone like

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my case, this is amazing,
Guen. So, I think I know

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the answer to this question that I
want to ask you next, but maybe

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say in about a minute or so, what is the legacy you're working hard

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to lead behind? Well, I
want people to be inspired my story.

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I hope it doesn't take a tragedy
or problem to take action. I want

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people to take action. That's the
most important thing. You may not know

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what you want to do, just
take action and it will lead you down

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the road to where you're supposed to
be. And that my story can be

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inspiring. Use my story, my
system, the five percent solution, which

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is taking the small actions and over
time the incremental changes will have an enormous

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effect positive you'll get positive results in
your life. So I want other people

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to know that they can turn their
worst into their best. I mean,

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if we look at a lot of
the organizations, a lot of things that

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are are founded, it has come
out of a need or it's out of

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a problem. And so we all
have problems, some bigger than others.

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And so to not rule that out, you know, find the blessings in

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your problems. I think it's really
important. We need to keep imagining and

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creating, which gives us a sense
of purpose. So if you lack those

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things, there's definitely a pervasive sense
of emptiness that becomes the default. So

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the great seduction later on in life
is that many of us feel, excuse

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me, fill the vacuum with false
friends. I'm sure we have many many

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people we know like this, and
they fill it with material things. Medication

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could be legal and otherwise where if
you can find that passion, whether it's

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for a person, a business,
of cause, or a situation, having

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those strong emotions towards something outside yourself
really fuels life purpose. Perfect way to

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finish when sorry to cut you off. That is a beautiful way to close.

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Thank you so much for that,
and thank you for coming on the

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air and sharing your beautiful spirit,
soul and person with us. Thank you

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so much, Thank you for having
me look forward to talking with you again.

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You are so welcome. If you
want to learn more about when rich

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her purses with Purpose for Purpose or
her the rich Solution Legacy on a go

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online teach community, go to the
rich solution dot com. Next week,

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we'll be on the air with author
for Hanna Kazi, who is a women's

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empowerment and terrorism expert. We'll be
talking about her own journey towards self empowerment,

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work as a terrorism expert, and
her new book called Invisible Martyrs Inside

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the Secret World of Female Islamic Radicals. See you there. Remember that work

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is at least a third of our
life, So let's work on purpose.

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We hope you've enjoyed this week's program, be sure to tune in to working

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on Purpose, featuring your host Alice
Cortez, each week on the Voice America

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Empowerment channel. This week, find
your life's purpose at work.