The Defiant Power of the Human Spirit to Turn Darkness into Light

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

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People ache for meaning and purpose at
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They crave being part of an organization that

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inspires them and helps them grow into
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a force for good in the world, elevating humanity. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want Working

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on purpose. Now Here is your
host, Doctor Elise Cortez. Welcome back

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to the Working on Purpose Program.
Thanks for tuning in again this week.

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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez, to a new live from Dallas,

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If you don't know me yet, I'm

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a management consultant specializing in meaning and
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at at least courtest dot com or Gusto

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dashnow dot com. With us today
is Rabbi doctor Baruka Halev aka Rabbi B,

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who is co founder and executive director
of Soul Centered at Denver, Colorado

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based Center for Spirituality, Meaning and
Healing. He is a local therapist,

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eniogram coach, inspirational author, motivational
speaker, and serial social entrepreneur, having

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co founded numerous social enterprise startups.
Today, Rabbi B primarily focuses on his

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work as a local therapist That's Meaning
Centers Psychotherapy, working with clients to discover

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deeper meaning in their lives, create
a purpose in their work, and living

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a life of what his teacher,
doctor Victor Frankel, calls the defiant power

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of spirit, the subject of his
forecoming book, The Deviant Spirit. I'll

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be talking today about how his various
life experiences have helped develop him and prepared

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him to do the work he does
today. Learned how he helps help develop

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his clients, as well as the
various expressions of his passionate purpose across his

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life. He turned to Day from
Denver, Colorado. Rabbi B. Welcome

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to working on Purpose. Thanks doctor
e Lease. It's an honored privilege to

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be on a show that I've tried
to listen to hundreds of episodes, which

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is really amazing and our listeners and
viewers. I want to share with you

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that how I found this remarkable man. We are both logotherapists. We were

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attending the twenty third Victor Frankel World
Congress where we're each presenting our work,

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and when I heard him share what
he was doing, I absolutely immediately while

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he was talking, reached out to
him on LinkedIn. I said, Hey,

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want to connect, want to talk
to you. Let's let's make it

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happen, so rab I be.
It's really really an honor to have you

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on the show. Well, the
feeling's mutual, and I felt the same

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way you presented, and logotherapy has
so much off of the world. It's

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just not quite presented as well as
it needs to be. And then here

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came doctor Elise with your amazing presentation, and I thought about so much collaboration

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around conscious capitalism and logotherapy, so
we can't go wrong. Yeah, exactly

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right, great mix, a great
stew between us. Right, all right,

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Well, let's start with what you're
doing today and then kind of work

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a little bit backwards because I really
want to share what our listeners the work

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that you're doing today, and then
I want to kind of peel back where

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it came from and why it came
to be, how we got this person,

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Rabbi B. So, first if
you would tell us what you and

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your wife is it Aliyah Ariella Ariela
are doing through Soul Centered. Help us

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understand what are you two doing together? First? It's fantastic you can work

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together as a team. And what
are you up to? Yeah, my

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father in law just calls us A
and B because he's not comfortable with the

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term. So A and B are
just fine. But my mother now calls

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me Rabbi B. I'm like,
Mom, call me so so yes.

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We started Soul Centered here in Denver, Colorado about three years ago, just

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pre pandemic, a great time to
launch a business and helping people find meaning

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and resilience and purpose in life.
We had relocated here from Israel, where

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we had been living for quite some
time, and we came back here because

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born and raised in America and we're
in Israel for a while. I'm happy

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to talk about that later, but
really wanted to focus full time on helping

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people discover meaning in their lives.
For about twenty years, I've been an

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ordained rabbi, and about fifteen of
those years of congregational rabbi. And as

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much as I loved, you know, kind of all of the extras that

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came along with being a rabbi,
I was always primarily and passionately a counselor

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a therapist, and so I eventually
I decided to do it full time.

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And my wife, Ariella, is
a healer. She works in all kinds

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of alternative healing. She does a
lot of generational healing with people, and

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so we thought, you know,
it's time for us to really partner.

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We've been married for twenty three years, so we've worked certainly as a partnership

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in the marital realm. Now we're
doing it as business partners. And we

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worked side by side her clients looking
more for healing mind looking for kind of

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direction, purpose and guidance, and
established this in Denver, Colorado to do

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just that as you know, the
rest of the world, we rolled with

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it, we pivoted, as we
say, in the entrepreneurial world, and

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now we're almost exclusively like everybody else
online or by phone. Gorgeous. Yeah,

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So so let's go back in time
a little. One of the things

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I love to do wrap I B
is to really understand how it is that

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people end up doing the work that
they do. And You've got a very

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very unique story, and it starts, you know, with what I maybe

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would call tragedy. You might call
it something else, but you know,

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you have the experience that you lost
both your grandmother and your father to suicide

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a long time ago. So I'm
interested in how those experiences set you on

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your path and what they taught you. Yes, thank you. I very

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open about it. I wrote a
book, Sparkseeker's Morning with meaning living with

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that I know. Yes, I've
got a copy. I've read it cover

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to cover. It's fantastic, it's
so beautiful, and there's a few things

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I do want to actually unpack with
that. By the way, it's gorgeous,

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and I just share that because I'm
very comfortable with it. I actually

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made it a point to share this
story because I think we ended up in

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I ended up at the center of
this story because my family didn't share what

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I call the dark silence of depression. I called them the dark ds,

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divorced depression, disease, death.
These things were unspoken in my home and

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my community, especially near you know, we grew up and my grandmother had

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always struggled with depression, and we
knew it. We just weren't allowed to

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name it. And as my wife
has taught me in her kind of spiritual

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realm, if you can't name it, you can't tame it, and it

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ultimately will devour you. I think
of that song by Simon and Garfuncle,

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sound of Silence, Silence like a
cancer grows, and that's exactly what I

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watched in my family's life. My
grandmother disappeared into that silence, ultimately completing

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suicide when I was fifteen. And
I say that was tragedy, as you

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mentioned, But it became tragedy what
I call compounded because of the way my

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father dealt with it, or didn't
deal with it. He basically recreated her

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example, and we didn't talk about
it, we weren't allowed to address it,

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and I watched my father slowly come
undone over the next twenty years,

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and ultimately, following in his mother's
footsteps, he threw away everything. He

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had, a beautiful marriage, work, community, family, friends, and

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it just got smaller and smaller.
And logotherapy world we call this reductionism.

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His world just got reduced and pretty
soon it was a nothing, and he

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disappeared into the silence. And when
I was in my thirties, he also

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completed suicide, and I made a
vow. I was a congregational rabbi at

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that point, and I made a
vow. You know, in the Holocaust.

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After the Holocaust, we say never
again, And that has a double

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meaning for me. It means never
again will we allow a genocide to happen

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to anybody. But I will not
allow a third generation to go down to

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the silence without giving a voice.
And so that really set me on my

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mission to give voice not only to
myself, but to the people I lead

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and guide to find meaning in their
lives. So that's really the voice that

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I think my father and grandfather and
grandmother needed desperately and they just couldn't find.

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One of the things that really attracts
me to the work you're doing and

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who you are as a human being. Is just the depth of your soul

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and your experience that I just is
so right there in the air with you.

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And that's why I wanted to how
you on air, to share you

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with with the listeners and viewers across
the world who desperately need your message and

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your touch. Thank you so much. That's one of the reasons why I

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do love. I'm working on purpose. And I don't just say that to

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patronize you. I've really have listened
to not all of them, but I'm

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working my way down the list.
Because my father was a businessman. I

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mean, that's how he defined himself. And then when he couldn't find what

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he was in need of, he
threw it away and he went on a

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search for spirituality out there somewhere.
And I see this a lot with business

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folks, and I'd like to talk
a little more about, you know,

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my journey into the business world,
because what I counsel especially business people to

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do, is start where you stand
right, don't go looking for the spirituality

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the answers out there. It's here. It's in his it was in his

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marriage, it was in his business, it was in his life, and

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he just left behind and you know, our teacher, doctor Victor Frankel,

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talks a lot about responsibility, and
that's a spiritual pathway if you start looking

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at the responsibilities in your life.
And I've just spent my adult life helping

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responsible people find their meaning and their
purpose in their life and not having to

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leave it. M M. Well, let's talk more about doctor Victor Frankl.

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He is our common denominator. You
and I are both logotherapist and I

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met him in ninety seven when I'm
starting my pH PhD program, which is

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interestingly enough, of course, when
he was leaving us. That's when he

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died the year. So how did
you find doctor Victor Frankel and what does

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his work mean to you? So? I found him early on in my

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life. I was an uninspired Jew. I think I speak for a lot

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of Jews. I grew up and
it just didn't speak to me. It

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was cultural identity, but it wasn't
a spiritual identity. I walked away exploring

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every other ism under the sun,
Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholic Mysticism, lots

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of different isms. Hedonism that one
was fun. And I'm a spiritual mutt.

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I really have had to draw best
practice from wherever it comes from.

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I've never cared, but I think
the best practice I've ever found was that

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little book Man Search for Meaning.
I can't remember how it got to me,

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but it found its way to me, and I knew the moment I

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read it. I found this kind
of intersection of spirituality and psychology, and

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you know, it's just hits.
I've never met anybody that the book and

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the philosophy doesn't resonate with right.
It can think anybody from all traditions,

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and I said I wanted to be
a part of that. I didn't know

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what to do with it. I
didn't know logo therapy was a thing,

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and so I continued down the Jewish
path. And then one day, maybe

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fifteen years later, I've heard about
logo therapy as a psycho therapy and actually

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a school of thought, and I
decided, about five years ago I really

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want to formally explore it and become
a logo therapist. And I would say

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I started about three years ago,
and then you know, culminating relatively recently

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in the diploma and logo therapy.
But he's been a part of my journey

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for over two decades. And although
I never met him the most influential people

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in my life I've never met.
They've most of them ever met for hundreds,

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if not thousands of year years and
they have been the most impactful upon

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my soul. And he's up there
top five fascinating. And then we go

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another level of depth, or a
few more levels of depths. And before

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I go to that, you just
act, did you find yourself a spiritual

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munth? I love that. That's
fantastic, as spiritual mont, I'll take

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that all day long, equally as
uncomfortable in everybody's tradition. It's fantastic.

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Well, one of the things that
you said when you present it, which

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is part of the reason I start
reached out you because I thought it was

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so incredibly compelling. You know that
I've officiated one wedding now and that was

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such a fantastic experience for me.
You have officiated over five hundred funerals and

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you tell me that you prefer doing
them over weddings. So I can't imagine

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what you have possibly learned through those
experiences of being with five hundred families plus.

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So I'm interested to learn just what
has this experience taught you about humanity,

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about life? Yeah, good questions
I do want to contextualize. I

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prefer funerals over weddings. It's in
the sense that they're easier, the feature

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of mindset and mediate meaning. My
job is in somebody's get out of the

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way in a funeral and to just
create a framework for people to process the

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grief, the feelings. You know, with weddings, you have to create

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something out of nothing. In this
day and age, most people have been

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married, even if it's not on
paper. They've been together for a year,

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two years, three years, they've
been living together, and so like

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the centerpieces become hyper focused, and
the ice sculpture and the you know,

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the or durvs, and then the
rabbi or the clergy is down the list

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somewhere. But with a funeral tragically, but we all have to go through

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it. The ordevs don't aren't a
thing, and the ice sculptures aren't a

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thing, and nothing matters. It's
all noise except for somebody to step into

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their life and help them harness the
meaning that's there, the meaning of the

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moment, as our teacher would say, and really help them see it and

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process it, and not drink from
the fire hose, but kind of turn

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it down so they can process it. And that's infinitely easier as my role

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of a conductor in that situation,
so I preferred in that sense. It's

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the most humbling experience I have ever
known, to be invited into tell somebody's

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story. Here's a great productor at
least you'll love this, teacher of mine.

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One set a long time ago.
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when their body dies, and once
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we can do about somebody's physical death, but we can become a guardian of

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their story. We can defy death. This is the defiant power of the

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human spirit. I've defied my father's
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and his story is being perpetuated,
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to be invited into somebody's life posthumously, to start to frame their story,

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guardians of the story, that's the
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so beautiful, Rabbi b that's so
beautiful. And on that note, let's

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let our listeners and yours just let
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first break I'm your host, doctor
Elis Cortez. We were on the earth

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Rabbi doctor Barulevi. We also call
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the program today, my guest is
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is a co founder and executive director
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Center for Spirituality, Meaning and Healing. He is a local therapist, indiogram

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coach, inspirational author, motivational speaker, and serial social entrepreneur, having co

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founded numerous social enterprise startups. He's
also the author of Sparkseekers, Mourning with

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Meaning, Living with Light. I'm
your host, doctor Vis Cortez. That's

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do good stuff happening in that So
the next thing I want to get into,

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which is really quite delightful. I
know you are a social entrepreneur and

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you've started several multiple cannabis companies.
Now that's not something we usually see in

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a rabbi bio Rabbi b so talk
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in these ventors and what do they
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know what was harder breaking the news
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I was going under the cannabis industry. They both pretty much the same response,

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which excuse me? You know what, did I hear that? Right?

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Yes? Yes. When I was
a rabbi congregational rabbi, I always

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felt like I was an entrepreneur trapped
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I have always, I don't know, I guess felt confined by the nonprofit

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world. I mean, I don't
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with what you're not. We're in
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why not? We should be making
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We don't have to go spend those
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But why not create some financial viable
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begging for handouts for scraps off the
table of you know, multimillion billionaires who

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who you know? They didn't run
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their synagogues, their nonprofits to be
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and I just didn't want to be
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gathered together a group of investors and
said, can we rethink the model of

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nonprofit? And one of them said, I have a license to grow marijuana

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in Massachusetts. Medical marijuana Massachusetts.
That's a mouthful, and twenty fifteen where

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we can use this. At the
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how it was structured the REGs in
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figure this out. We raised some
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is now the second largest cannabis company
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public but we did so for the
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the synagogue for other nonprofits, and
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Can we reimagine capitalism creating conscious capitalism? As I know you're a big

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fan of and so many of your
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cannabis, so I called it conscious
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we get to watch the birth of
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exciting and it's changed, And part
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away, because it became so complicated
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and it was hard enough to start
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to do the right thing during the
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the cannabis industry. But it morphed
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social equity, bringing social equity to
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Most of the people who are in
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who are white males, and we
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have this opportunity. And so my
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equity. But both of those were
learning opportunities for me. Wow. A

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couple of things just wow. First, I love the creativity of it all.

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We'll talk about taking looking at a
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this. I don't want to beg
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can I do this differently? I
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I get this from. It's not
me, It's from the Bible, right,

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It's from Jesus. It's from Abraham. And these are these are entrepreneurs,

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right, these are innovators. I
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was a revolutionary. Rabbi Abraham Sarah
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Judaism and later Christianity, and as
long they're the first co founders. I

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mean, that's all it is.
You read it. They call the ten

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Tests of Abraham. He failed ten
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it's just an entrepreneurial roadmap, which
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is called the startup nation, because
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which in the end is ultimately the
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all allowed them to iterate over and
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you kind of coalesce that in the
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there per capita than anywhere outside of
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stuff is at the heart of all
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Bible. And it's just fun stuff, good stuff, Okay, And that

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raised me to the second point.
The second point is I think it's so

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delicious and divine that here you are
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a social entrepreneur and has this ability
to create something you know, really dynamic,

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that that that is very scalable and
impactful. So you're you know,

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you're you're a very innovative, creative
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soul about you that gives access to
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them be able to find that meaning
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the beginning of the show. That
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pretty fantastic. I think, thank
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you out of that, Okay,
she'll she'll disabuse me of that notion quickly,

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get her on bat on. So
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Yeah, well, I love that, you know, part of the reason

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I wanted to have you on the
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but you know, I do like
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some deep thinking about that, you
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are we what are we confronting?
What do we have available to us?

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And you know, not a lot
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that you can. So I want
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you do and bring it to life
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it looks like you were going to
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So as I'm prone to do,
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books of my authors cover to cover. I did that for yours as well,

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and we'll look forward to your next
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to for our listeners presence a little
bit of this text that you write,

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because it's really beautifully written, and
then I'd like you to speak to it

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because it really does speak to the
you know, the importance of darkness and

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wandering. People think they want to
avoid darkness, and you don't. You

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embrace darkness. So this is what
you write for some of us. When

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the darkness descends, that is we
lose a loved one. We delude ourselves

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into thinking that if we run faster, we will outpace it. We believe

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that if we stop and enter that
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of sorrow. When we go to
either extreme indefinitely wandering in the darkness or

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avoiding it all together, we lose
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transformation, purpose, and even blessing
when we lose the opportunity to discover

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the sparks of light buried in the
darkness of grief. These sparks are waiting

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for us to take hold of them
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we journey through from death's darkness to
the life's light. I have come to

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understand that the darkness of grief is
the most complicated experience we can confront and

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one of the greatest teachers we will
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we also touch our light. It
is beautiful, its online, It's Kabbalah

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two thousand years old. That's kind
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So I'll take credit only for repackaging
a really great package, and that

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to me is the mission of life. If you had if you say to

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me be some up the mission of
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certainly of the holidays that we're coming
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would say, it's to defy the
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That's what the journey of grief is. That's what doctor Frankel's journey out of

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the Holocaust was, the rebirth of
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counsel people every single day to,
you know, as doctor Frankle says,

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make the defiant power of the human
spirits stand, make your stand, stand

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your ground right, and defy that
darkness. And I really believe that that's

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the mission that we're all here to
do. And we just need to be

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remin minded of that mission, because
when you're pounded with the grief, with

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the darkness, with the suffering,
it's not just with death. Like I

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just hung up the phone with somebody's
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be even darker than death because the
person's still here and you got to watch

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them love and live and leave,
and they just need a reminder to stand,

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make your stand, and defy your
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spark. You know, you don't
have to transform the world. There's a

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great mysticobolistic saying that says, a
little light dispels a lot of darkness.

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Moment, you have one spark.
And for my conversation with this person was,

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let's find one thing that's true,
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and everything seems false and they start
questioning everything. And so we found one

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thing that is true, their love
for their child, which was a product

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of that marriage. And we just
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of built it, and we grew
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building that over the past few months, and it's walking them out of the

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dark and it's giving them agency power. Frankel talks about we all, at

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the end of the day need the
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we sure do. And and we
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there's there's not maybe not a reason, but there's there's substance, and there's

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utility in suffering. I think that's
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Das documentary and he said something that
I wrote down because I thought it was

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fantastic. He says suffering is the
sand paper that awakens people. And I've

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heard that people say that suffering.
There's a certain richness and suffering. So

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it has a role in our lives
and people want to want to want to

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want to smash it away or wipe
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has some real utility. Can you
speak to that? All things are born

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in darkness. I mean a fetus
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the Big Bang was born in darkness. Plants he's underground are born in

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darkness. Right, there's it's fertile
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darkness, you don't have life.
We can't live with the sun twenty four

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seven on us. It would destroy
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world. I was just writing about
this. We live in a world that

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creates false light, right, nightlights, plug in a nightlight as opposed to

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me was just going into the darkness. My dad brand he spent his entire

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life what I call doing the avoidance
avoiding avoid dance, a dance around the

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void. And how much energy do
we use dancing around the voids? Staying

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busy. How many people do you
know who lose a loved one? Who

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I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm
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now is not the time to stay
busy, And honestly, at least,

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who the hell wants to be fine? Your love right right? If you

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love them, go into the darkness, feel it, feel the pain,

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and burth something beautiful out of it. But it's only out of the darkness

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you're gonna find it. And along
those those lines. Another thing that you

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talk about that I think is so
fascinating, and I gotta believe this is

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something that gets factored into into the
work that you're doing today with your wife.

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But you talk about, however an
un faults, wandering is a crucial

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step. Wandering is a crucial step, and you say it's a necessary transition

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period along the path from chaos to
order, from powerless to purpose, and

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from darkness to light. Why Why
That's a really great question, because the

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mystical word for the name of God
and the Kabbalah is Moses says to God,

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what's your name? And what's God's
gonna say? You know, like

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Bob, God says, hey,
I am that I am right, I

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am, And it's actually, let's
say I forgot what it's called an anagram

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payahove, Yeah, I was,
I am, I will be God's time

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right, and when we're running.
Our culture doesn't like time, or we

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don't know what to do with time. We don't know how to just be

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present. I watch it with my
kids, like just same thing you see

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in your world. It's one screen
to another screen to another screen. I'm

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bored. We were just in the
car. They forgot his phone. I'm

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bored. I thought that is such
a gift, like be bored, just

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sit and just be present, because
there's no substitute for time, you know,

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and we have to just be present
to what is. And so I

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think that the wandering has been a
lost art. Sue monk Kid has a

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great book called The Heart, the
Waiting Heart or something like that. I

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don't know if you've read it.
An amazing book about the delicious I've heard

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you use that word quite oftensive obvious
again, the delicious aspects of time and

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just being present and when a loved
one dies, especially when a loved one

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dies, there's no substitute for just
sitting in it and being you know,

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when somebody dies. In Judaism,
you sit seven days called shiva. What

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are you supposed to do? Nothing? Just sit there? And it is

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the hardest discipline in the world to
just sit and be present in the darkness.

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That's where the divinity is found.
M studyingly gorgeous and listen to that.

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If you would, listeners and viewers, hang onto that, let it

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but chew that over as we go
into our last break here, I'm your

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host, Doctor Release Cortez, who
were in the air with Rabbi doctor Baru

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Karabi, who is also called Rabbi
b. He is co founder and executive

435
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director of Soul Center, at a
Denver, Colorado based center for spirituality,

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meaning and healing. We've been talking
more about his experiences of helping others come

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to terms with grief and with wandering. After the break, we're gonna hear

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more on the same subjects. Stay
with us. We'll be right back.

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Doctor Release Cortez is a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational speaker

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and author. She helps companies visioneer
for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose

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inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that
elevate fulfillment, performance and commitment within the

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workforce. To learn more or to
invite a Lease to speak to your organization,

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please visit her at a lease Cortez
dot com. Let's talk about how

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to get your employees working on purpose. This is working on Purpose with doctor

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Release Cortez. To reach our program
today or open a conversation with Elise,

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send an email to Elise ali se
at Elise Cortez dot com. Now back

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to working on purpose. Thanks for
staying well us and welcome back to working

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on purpose. One another announcement I
want to share with you if you don't

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know, the anthology that I've sent
the last two years curating is now out

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as published. It's called Passionately Striving
and Why, an anthology of women who

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persever mightily to live their purpose.
It's on Amazon. What I love about

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that is I found twenty five women
from all over the world who shared their

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very intimate story of how they've discovered
their purpose and what they're doing to serve

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from it. And the reason why
I think it's so important is because it

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helps people to understand that purpose is
available to anyone anywhere, regardless of your

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socio economic background, your culture,
your language or where you are in the

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world, and when we actually work
from it, it does a easy wonders.

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So I hope that you'll find an
inspiration and educational and come with us

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on a journey. If you're just
joining us. My guest is Rabbi Doctor

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Barrow Klebi, also known as Rabbi
B, who is the co founder and

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executive director of Soul Centered at Denver, Colorado based Center for Spirituality, Meaning

462
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and Healing, is a local therapist, indiagram coach, inspirational author, motivational

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speaker, and serial social entrepreneur,
having co founded numerous social enterprise startups.

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He's also working on his next book, called The Defiant Spirit, which will

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have him come back and talk about
I'm your host, doctor Elie's Cortez.

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So the next thing I want to
talk about, which I think is just

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stunningly beautiful. You have a passage
in your book on tears, Rabbi B.

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That I just think is great and
we have to go into it.

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So you tell a story where you
say, and I'm going to read this

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again from your book. It's a
passage from your book. You say,

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we're moved by tears, the tears
of a baby move us to take action.

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Watching a loved one or even a
stranger cry moves us to empathy and

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compassion. I was sitting in a
Starbucks and a wan and burst in a

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torrential downpour of sorrowful tears. Suffice
it to say that the cafe stopped and

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all attention was redirected towards this woman. Businessman, nanny's children, and the

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delivery guy stopped in their tracks.
There was a genuine outpouring of sympathy from

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people who were seconds before strangers.
There's something powerful and mysterious and holy in

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tears. It's stunningly beautiful and so
very true. Yeah. One of the

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reasons why I kind of left being
a congregational rabbi is I couldn't feel the

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prayer. I couldn't feel that.
It just became to me a wrote process,

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and I committed to myself long before
that the moment that happened, I

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would walk away and go to wherever
I could feel something, because I watched

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the consequences of my father, my
grandmother, my grandfather's little life where they

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just held back their feelings, we
didn't say what to be said, and

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I just never wanted to become that
and I could feel myself slipping into that,

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and that I followed the tears.
Those took me to Israel, where

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my family and I relocated because we
had such a passionate love affair with Israel.

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We moved there for a while,
and they brought me back to counseling

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people because I found myself welling up
with that emotion when I was really feeling

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people's pain and suffering and connecting to
them again. But I think when we

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listen to that emotion, right,
that's divinity. I don't care what you

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call this thing. That's doctor calls
it the Nohenic. You can call it

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spirit, you can call it whatever
you want. But whatever that is,

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follow that it never leads you astray. It has certainly hasn't led me astray.

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One of the things I'll say to
that be is that I've been on

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my own journey of I wasn't always
able to access my emotions very well.

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I could express myself, and I
could I could say that, and I

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could certainly shed tears when I got
moved. But as I've continued down this

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path of doing the purpose and meaning
work, my ability to access a fuller

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spectrum of human emotion is greatly increased, and so I can be hugely moved

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to tears when I get when i'm
inspired, or I see somebody else crying,

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I I'm right there with them,
and I love that I have access

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to that now. And I don't
know how much more there is. I'm

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sure there's much more of me still
to access now, but so much the

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work that I'm doing inside organizations is
also helping people to get access again to

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that. And what I see so
often be is that women, especially the

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ones that have been working in corporate
America, they have been so taught that

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to be successful, they cannot shed
a tear whatever they do. And it's

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so sad night. No, please
bring back to humanity. It's so great,

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it's so important, so important.
You know the first words that doctor

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Frankel said when he came out of
the camps when he was liberated. It's

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at the very end of part one
of Man's Search for Meaning. I'm sure

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many of your readers have read that
amazing book. If they haven't, they

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should read it. The first words
he said from a psalm, and it

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says, I'm doing it by memory, me and my mates karate Java from

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the constriction, I have called out
to you, and from the expansion,

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you have answered me. And I
feel like that's that's hell, and that's

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heaven. If there is a heaven
and a hell, that's it. To

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live a life of constriction where we
feel like our world is narrow and small

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and we're compartmentalized and we can't fully
express that's a that's a hell. And

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I've been at that hell where I
can't express my feelings or you know,

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I'm just missing my father and we're
not sharing. And to to to be

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able to expand is a divine experience. To open your heart when you see

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your children, your spouse, you're
on you're working on purpose. Right,

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there's an expansion, then that's it. And we have to listen to the

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things that make us constrict, and
we have to respond to the things that

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help us expand that's the journey.
M hm. And that brings me to

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my next point that I want to
talk with you about. My next question.

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I was very very fixated on how
you talk about your mother's transformation post

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divorce. Speaking of expansion, could
you talk to us a little bit about

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like the before and after of what
you would how you describe her. It's

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fascinating. It is fascinating some like
sociological psychological study to watch my father,

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who's got of a traditional businessman of
a previous era on top in charge,

534
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makes all the decisions. My mom
typical kind of homemaker and a previous generation

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taught a very different set of rules, and then just to watch them totally

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flip flop. I can get through
it here on screen and where in the

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end my father descended into as we
talked about his hell, and my mother

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ascended. And that's because she left
this constricting, constrictive, narrow identity.

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And it wasn't easy. It was
a lot of painful iterations, but she

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continuously put herself out into the unknown. You know, sometimes necessity is the

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mother of invention, as it said, and she had to. But here

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was a courageous woman who continued to
grow to reimagine herself to the point where

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she went from a typical kind of
homemaker, if you will, in the

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previous generation, to running a multimillion
dollar organization, world traveler doing amazing projects

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out in the world. And I
just thought, what a gift that I

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had been given, because you know, you had said I witness tragedy,

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and I did but I also witness
Blessing watching a mom show me there's an

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alternative path, right, you can
always choose your own way, And that's

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what she did. Listeners and viewers, I hope you're taking that in and

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just really understanding the magnificence of the
defiant human spirit, just really what we

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can do it. It's remarkable when
we can access that meaning and purpose and

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moves, as you say, away
from the constriction to the expansion. I

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just hope everyone sees that as a
hopeless, enormous possibility for themselves and anyone

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they know. So next space I
want to go into, which is really

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quite fascinating. I've only seen and
heard a few people really talking about this,

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and the way, of course you
are doing it with your wife is

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quite quite beautiful. And so you
say, above all we need as individual

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above all else. You say,
what we need as individuals, organizations and

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communities is resilience. And you say, when we have resilience, we can

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survive even thrive in the face of
life's greatest challenges, struggles and adversities.

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What we need is the defiant human
spirit. So say more, if you

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would, about why is this resilience
so important? And how is it that

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you're working on that today. Yeah, of course that's a great question.

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So you know, one of the
reasons why I turned to doctor frank and

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logotherapy is because it acknowledges that at
the end of the day, all life

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is circumstances. We don't really control
anything. You know, we live in

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an era where we have this belief
that we're in control. I like to

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remind people, I'm kind of that
buzz kill that nobody really likes to invite

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to the cocktail part, even though
it sounds great, You know, canis

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that much because you're not really in
control. Like you're standing on a rock

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and it's whirling around a hot ball
of fire called the sun, and you've

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got about eighty years until you die. How much control do you really think

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you have? You know, that's
not exactly fun to think about. But

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the truth is we shut that out
and we pretend like we're in control.

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We created all of these things,
and in the end, doctor Franko says,

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but we are in control of one
thing, our response to our circumstances

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and yours, and nobody gets to
take it away from you. Like my

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mom, she's had everything stripped from
her and yet she continued to respond through

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00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:44.280
an attitudinal shift, deciding how she
was going to respond to our circumstances.

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And that's resilience because nobody can take
that from you. And I draw that

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from the Jewish tradition. I'm interested
in Judaism because it has withstood the test

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of time, and not just for
Jews. What can we do with this

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00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.840
to help other people deal with their
adverse city. Right when the Dalai Lama

584
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.800
had to figure out how to live
outside of Tibet, he turned to the

585
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.920
Jewish leaders and said, can you
teach me how to help my people survive

586
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:13.599
in the diaspora. And this was
one of the things that they had to

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00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:17.039
offer, was right, you can
survive if you can adapt, if you

588
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can pivot, if you the world, you know the lily town, the

589
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.519
world gives you lemons, make lemonade. The world said to the Jewish people,

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you can't be in banking, or
you can't you can't own land.

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So they figured out how to deal
in finances. You keep taking stuff away

592
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from a person, but they keep
coming back with this invincible spirit over thousands

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of years. And so to me, that's resilience. Is no matter what

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the circumstances, I will be able
to respond on my terms in my way.

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Oh that's stunningly gorgeous and so so
important. And again I hope listeners

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00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:58.840
and viewers while you hear in that
is hope and possibility. So to that.

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00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.000
And I want to hear more about
what you and Ariella are doing at

598
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:07.960
Soul Centered. How are you helping
individuals and the communities and people and organizations.

599
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.840
Sure, thank you. Yeah.
So I guess back to your last

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question, resiliency in a time where
we have had our resiliency tested, and

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I don't wish it. I don't
wish a pandemic, a pandemic upon anybody,

602
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but we had one. And so
what's the choice. Either it's meaningless

603
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or it's meaningful. And we owe
it to the pandemic, we owe to

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those who die, to those who
suffer, to make it meaningful, to

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make it worthy of worth something.
And if we can learn from it how

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to become more resilient, to adapt, to prepare, I think your last

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00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.440
guest and one of your podcasts talked
about this is just the first of many

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pandemics or iterations and things that are
going to come our way, and we

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can learn how to deal with these
things. So Ariella and I work individually

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with folks, me with locotherapy,
Kabbalah, the angeogram, really bringing tools

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into their life to consciously face the
darkness, to take back their power so

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they don't have to live in fear
of what's next. Right, then nothing

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is I forgot who said Fdr said
the only thing we have to fear is

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fear itself? Right? Living in
fear is worse than dealing with the fear.

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So how can you consciously go into
the darkness? Find new tools to

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go into the darkness? Create your
why? Understand your why? Right the

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power of why? He or she
has a why to live for and endure

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Anyhow do you know your why?
How many of your folks are running businesses

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with a why, clear mission statement, but they don't have one in their

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personal life. So when you know
what hits the fan? How do you

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endure the how? If you don't
know your why? If I had a

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few more minutes, which I know
we don't, I tell you my why.

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I have a three paragraph why.
I say it every single day to

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myself. I'm going to say it
until the day I die, As doctor

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Frankel says, till my dying breath. I work with people on a simple

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personal mission statement to match their business
mission statement, because that's how you endure

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your how mmmm uh. I just
quickly got to ask in terms of the

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integram because I love the intagram.
I don't know if are you a two

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or you a one? What are
you? I'm in eight? You are

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an eight or the challenger? Wow? Okay on a good day, I'm

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an eight. On a bad day, my wife calls me an eight hole.

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Hello her, I can't wait to
meet her. Guess which one I

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am? You are a three seven, seven enthusiast? Yeah, three and

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seven of a long comment? Yeah
yeah, So I love that you use

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the intagram. So okay, So
now we've got to quickly hear about your

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forthcoming book. But if I ain't
spirit, so talk a little bit about

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what you're trying, what you're going
to try to conjure in that book.

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And of course we've got to happen
back because this is a teaser. Yes,

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I have a real problem with the
indiogram. I'm certified, I teach

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it, I use it. But
what I do is I teach people how

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to defy your number. You know, the Nazis tried to reduce Frankel and

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six million other g to numbers.
And on doctor Frankel's arm, he wore

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a brand one nine zero four because
he wasn't a name, he wasn't a

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person, he was a number.
You can't murder people, you can murder

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numbers. He spent his life showing
us that we can defy that reductionism,

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being reduced to our labels. And
so the endiagram is an opportunity to see

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where we react and to defy that
because we don't have to live in reaction.

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We can defy my I can defy
my ateness and try very hard,

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and I can live all these numbers. But yet gotta summons the defying power

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of the human spirit, or else
you end up trapped as a number and

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you forget your name. Oh my
gosh, that is beautiful we have.

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I can't wait to read it,
and I can't wait to have you on

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the show. So just so you
know, that's you can run, but

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you can't hide. So we're out
of time, but you know the show

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is listened by people around the world. How would you like to leave them

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today? I would like to leave
them with that idea other than each and

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every one of us, no matter
how far you've fallen, no matter how

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dark it might seem, that there
is always that spark. As you mentioned

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that the firepower of the human spirit. Don't give up on that spark.

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Find it one spark. A little
light turns into a flame, into a

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fire illuminates the darkness. Keep going
and become a spark seeker. Rabbib It

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is such an honor to know you
and to share you with listeners across the

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world who desperately need to hear your
message and read your book. So thank

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you very much for joining for joining
us today, and for being in my

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life. Thank you, Doctor Lisa. Listeners and viewer. If you want

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to learn more about Rabbi doctor Baru
Kaleb, his books or the workin his

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wife are doing it soul centered,
start by going to my soul centered dot

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org. Again, that's my soul
centered dot org. Last week, if

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you missed the live show, you
can always get rerecorded podcast. We were

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on the air with Daliya Zeb of
Logotherapy Minna talking about her tremendously inspiring ambition

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to spread logotherapy in the Arab speaking
world as a way to build nations.

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Our conversation showcases. It's just what
we can each do with our one precious

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life. Empowered by meeting and purpose. Next week will be on the air

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with Dan McClure talking about what he's
learned over his forty year career specializing in

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disruption, and his roles as a
choreographer of ambitious, messy change, reimagining

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complex systems and business, government,
international aid, and society as a whole.

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See you there. Remember that work
is at least a third of our

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lives, So let's work on permit. We hope you've enjoyed this week's program.

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Be sure to tune in too,
Working on Purpose featuring your host,

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doctor Elise Cortez, each week on
the Voice America Empowerment Channel. Together,

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we'll create a world where business operates
conscientiously, leadership inspires impassioned performance, and

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employees are fulfilled in work that provides
the meaning and purpose they crave. See

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you there, Let's work on Purpose.