Resilience: Building a Life After Devastating Hardship

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host Elise Cortes. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration from those
people who have found deeper meaning and

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personal connection to their work life.
It's beyond nine to five. It's working

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on Purpose. Now Here is your
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the Working on Purpose Show. Thanks
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Now. This week's program with us today

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is Karen Milsap. She is a
resilience coach and the founder of Grow Flow

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Community. We'll be talking about her
journey of healing after several tragic incidents in

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her life and the powerful life changing
habits that's helped her rebuild her own life

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and find her way back to a
whole heart. Today, she guides others

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on how to feel better, live
better, and achieve their goals in her

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masterclass community called soul Care. She
shows us today from Orlando, Florida.

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Karen, welcome to Working on Purpose, Hilese. Thank you so much for

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having me. I'm looking forward to
this conversation me too. And let's also

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while we're at it, give a
shout up to our mutual friend Brian Williams,

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who connected us. Thank you Brian
for bringing me Karen, appreciate you.

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Yes, thank you, Brian.
Well I wanted to. This is

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such a remarkable story in getting to
meet you, Karen, and just being

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in your space is just wonderful.
And I'm again reminded in so doing just

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how purpose can come from a shocking
array of life experiences. And you've had

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plenty of fodder to draw from.
And so if you can, let's just

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go ahead and bring our listeners right
into your space and tell us your story

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of what happened for you starting when
I think you were I think twenty nine

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with your husband. Yes, well, nobody expects to kind of be at

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the end of your life when you're
in the beginning phases and building your life.

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But that's what happened when my husband
was tragically killed. We owned a

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CrossFit. He started it about six
months before he died, and it was

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his passion. He was stepping out
on faith and wanted to be an entrepreneur

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and was helping so many lives.
And then one evening, I was home

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doing some phone interviews because I was
a recruiter. And as I was interviewing

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executives, my cell phone was buzzing. I was using the house phone,

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and so my cell phone was buzzy, and I looked and I saw that

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it was the same person calling over
and over again, and it was a

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woman who was one of our members
at the gym, and so I immediately

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thought, Okay, something must have
happened because she wouldn't be calling back to

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back to back to back. And
then I thought, well, maybe Richard

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hurt himself. Maybe he fell off
the rig or broke his arm, hit

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his head, you know. And
so there was a moment when I just

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asked the candidate a question and I
put him on mute as I answered her

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next call, and it was just
complete chaos. I heard screaming. I

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couldn't make out exactly what she was
saying, but finally I was able to

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make out the words shot, and
she told me that Richard had been shot.

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My body immediately went into convulsion,
but I still wasn't processing. I

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wasn't fully processing what had happened,
and so I took my two year old

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son over to the neighbors. I
just asked them if they could, you

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know, watch him for a little
bit because something had happened at the gym

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and I wasn't sure. And then
I went to you know, one hundred

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and something down the highway, just
trying to get there as fast as I

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could, and I remember having a
moment when I thought to myself, you

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know, why am I not on
my way to the hospital. And once

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I pulled up to the gym,
it was just craziness. I mean,

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news reporters were already there with their
vans, you know, first responders,

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people from the community, from church. I mean, it was just mayhem.

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And I honestly, at least I
don't remember who told me or when

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they told me that he died,
and that he died, you know,

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immediately, But that night was the
night that changed my life. And yeah,

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twenty nine, I became a widow. Oh my gosh. Okay,

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So I got to tell you that. Just listening to you tell that story

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again, I heard a little bit
of the first time we spoke. I

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just it just washes over me,
Karen, just the the profundity of it,

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the the enormity of it. I
I just it's amazing to me.

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And really it moves me to tears. Amazing to me the stuff that life

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can serve up to us. And
now you know what's amazing to me even

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more though, is your response to
all this. So you were twenty nine

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then, and if you don't mind
me asking how old are you now?

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I'm thirty five. Okay, so
your say, oh my gosh, happy

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birthday. Okay, hold on really
quick, I have to sing you happy

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birthday really quick in Portuguese. Okay, GOLs like this, but I will

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say nesta da dad muntas fe li
si giez vida o thank you. Right,

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thought I was Happy birthday. Geez. Your voice is beautiful. Thank

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you, Lisa, thank you,
thank you that it's it's a great little

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Portuguese song and it means congratulations to
you on this special day. Much happiness

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and many years of life. But
wow, so in sixty years and so

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I the reason that I really wanted
to share you with my listeners is that

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you're a perfect example, a living, breathing example of what it is to

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be able to take the stuff that
life serves up to us and really dig

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down deep into your bones and your
soul and create a response to that in

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a way that both heals yourself and
gives something back to the world. So,

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before we get more into what you've
been able to do over these last

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six years, there's more to the
story, I know. So I think

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you said that you didn't have insurance, right, Yeah, we didn't have

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life insurance, which was interesting because
I'd started at this company and just the

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paperwork didn't process. I've been there
for a little less than a year and

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found out that the paperwork wasn't done. So normally, you know, you

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check that box that you at the
very minimum have life insurance through your employer

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for yourself and your spouse. But
we didn't have anything, and you know,

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we don't get Social Security. I
mean I literally started from nothing,

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and yeah, I ended up losing
you know, my house and my car,

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and a year later I ended up
being let go for my job,

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and so it was just it was
a ripple effect of crazy. That's the

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best way to put it. Well, hold on to just sec I really

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want to make sure our listeners understand
this because the way you just said it,

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I know it sounds it feels different
six years later or five years later.

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But what did you do where if
you lost your house, you lost

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your car, what how did you
survive? What did you do well?

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When I so first, it was
about six months after Richard died that maybe

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a little less that I just was
looking at my finances and saying, I

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literally cannot live with one income.
The way that we've been living with too,

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and so the first thing to go
was the car. We had just

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got into a car because we got
into a bigger car with the hopes of

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having more children. And some people
don't understand, you know, the heartache

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that came from having to downsize a
car. It's not a big deal,

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you know. I'm not very materialistic, not at all. But it was

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the hopes and dreams that were tied
up in why we had just purchased that

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car, because we were expanding our
family. And so I transitioned out of

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that car. And then a few
months after that, I was feeling like

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I was suffocating in the house and
there were things that I just couldn't keep

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up with. And everybody said,
wait a year before you put your house

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on the market, and I did
not wait because I just literally felt like

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I was crumbling. My house was
on the market for over one hundred days,

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which was abnormal during this time where
homes were flying off the market.

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And then I had an offer and
I felt like, Okay, there's some

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relief, and two days before closing, the offer fell through because the buyers

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were being investigated by the FBI.
So then I lived out of boxes for

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two almost three months before the house
finally sold again. And then when the

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house sold and I closed on a
Friday, I walked in the next Monday

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and was let go for my job. So, I mean, it was

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just it was a lot. It
was a lot to process, and the

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best thing that I could do was
just try to see hope, you know,

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try to see that better things were
going to come if I would just

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try to get through each day.
And I wasn't getting through the days in

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some eloquent manner. I was literally
just trying to take it one breath at

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a time, you know. I
couldn't think too far in advance. And

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I think the biggest shock that really
left an imprint on my heart was that

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we can try to plan for life
as much as we want to, and

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it doesn't always turn out that way. And losing my husband in such a

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tragic way taught me that lesson.
So I really did not try to plan

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too far in advance, and I
really was very present and I took it

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day by day. I totally get
all that, and I still feel like

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when I'm listening to you speak,
not that on the other side of those

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words. It's just this got to
be this immense chasm of pain and just

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how do you make sense of this? And then you've got to take you

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got to a young child to care
for, and you're grieving and your whole

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world is turned upside down? Can
you describe for us what those what it

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felt like? Well, the best
way that I would describe it to people,

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because remember being twenty nine and a
widow, there were not a lot

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of people around me that could relate
right, and so it was hard for

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me to put into words what I
was feeling. And I later found there

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was this chemical deficiency that happens in
our brain when we lose a loved one,

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and that's why I couldn't really articulate
it. But looking back, it

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really felt like I was drowning.
It either felt like I was drowning,

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like I was suffocating, or like
I was in a fog. But the

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point was I just felt completely consumed
with pain, and so on the outside

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people would actually say, oh my
gosh, you're so strong. I remember

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somebody said that to me in the
grocery store, and I thought it was

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the I thought it was so rude
of them to say and so insensitive.

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But on the outside, maybe I
did look like I was being strong because

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I wasn't going crazy, but on
the inside, I was completely broken.

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And I think the reason they saw
strength was because I was truly operating on

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autopilot. I was just kind of
going through the motions, and on the

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inside, again, I just felt
like, I don't know if I can

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handle this pain. I literally wanted
to die because it seemed like a better

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option than to carry another day of
that weight of pain. And I can

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understand why people do take their life. It didn't get to that point for

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me, though, because I did
have that glimmer of hope, and that

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really also came from my son.
And I didn't want that man who killed

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my husband to kill two people that
night, because he very well could have

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by the weight of emotion that I
was feeling and carrying that weeks and months

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after, and so I just looked
at my son and I said, it's

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not going to be his story.
And that's when I decided that I was

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going to take my pain and I
was going to turn it into purpose and

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I was going to pay it forward
to others because I didn't want anybody else

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to feel as alone as I felt
during that time that is stunning, and

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I want to recognize at least one
thing there that I heard from my own

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experience and my education around logo therapy
and existential psychology, etc. The importance

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of having someone else to focus on, in other words, focused on serving

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others and other person is so important
to well being and good health and can

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catapult us out of that autopilot place
that you're talking of, and you know,

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the suffering piece of it. And
so I think that that focus right

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there was probably in part really saved
your life. It sounds to me like

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absolutely I tell people all the time, and my son doesn't realize it because

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again he was two two and a
half at the time that he saved my

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life. If I did not have
my little boy, I really feel like

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I would have given up online because
it was just the weight of that experience.

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I mean, it can break you. What is his name, Caleb,

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Caleb? Thank you Caleb for keeping
Karen in our lives. Thank you

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for that gift. Well, so
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that experience? Well, the first
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be strong all the time. And
for some reason, you know, we're

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all wired differently. But I was
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and I think I was, you
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and a positive outlook on life in
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of that and I really felt like
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that place, and that was scary
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I found that it's okay. It's
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It is okay to just lay on
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needed that realization, especially because the
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leading into to help other people,
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wouldn't be able to help and serve
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were, and usually it's when they're
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to have it all together. I
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I can feel these feelings and not
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other thing that I learned was that
I had a lot of strength inside of

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me that I could tap into.
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I could reshape my life and really
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kind of came through the awareness of
Hold on a second, I get to

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choose my reaction to this. My
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bitter and I will be miserable,
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cynical, like I can choose that, and you know what, if I

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did, I don't think anybody would
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a horrible thing that I went through. But I also realized that I didn't

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want that to be my story.
I didn't want to live in that negative

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energy space. And the power that
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chose, and that was where I
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that's also where I decided to put
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of gear of autopilot to be really
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myself so that I could take care
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Karen and I definitely want to explore
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after the break here, but let's
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with us, and welcome back to
working on Purpose. If you're just joining

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us, my guest is Karen MILLSAP. She is a resilience coach and the

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founder of the Growth Flow Community.
I'm your host, Alise Cortes. So,

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Karen, just before the break,
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attitude that you chose to take and
in response to what life is served up

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to you, and I really want
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it's such an important part of the
work that I do in log with therapy,

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with individuals, leaders and organizations.
It gets to the piece of in

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terms of how we experience meaning in
life. We can get it from various

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ways, but one way we can
get it is the attitude that we choose

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to take in the stance of fate
or adversity that is given to us.

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We have the unique ability as humans
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And you particularly chose an attitude there
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somebody at age twenty nine. Help
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was like for you, just to
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and take that attitude. Well,
thank you for saying that it didn't feel

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remarkable. It didn't feel it didn't
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this is what I got to do
for my son. You know, it

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was just I didn't have any other
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noticed in my mind was I kept
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of details, but of course they
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right. And so, because there
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know, as I would replay that
night over and over again, I would

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get stuck on things like did he
see the shooter coming in? Was he

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scared? You know? Was he
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would just even saying it right now, I can feel myself getting sick,

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right, And so what happened was
when I realized that I could either look

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at those things or I could look
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That's what helped me to start to
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way, but I could just notice
that subtle difference, right, as I

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mentioned, even just in the moment
experiencing of replaying some of those thoughts or

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excuse me, repeating some of those
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I decided was Okay, I don't
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I don't feel like I have the
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questioning everything that I did. But
what I decided was I am going to,

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at the very least look at the
things I can be grateful for right

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now. I'm grateful that I have
a pillow under my head because a lot

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of this had happened at night as
I'm falling asleep, you know. I'm

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grateful that my son is healthy.
I am grateful that we had food today.

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I was grateful that I could take
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days where I'm like, I'm not
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as I started to move forward and
as time started to, you know,

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unfold, I could look back at
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build my confidence. For example,
when when I was let go from my

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job, I remember carrying my box
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sitting there and I was crying.
I mean just it was. I thought

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to myself to do Yeah, I'm
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am failing. It's been a year
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thought to myself, what the heck
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I thought to myself, within a
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I going to do? It was
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of excitement, And that was a
moment where my mind shifted, and it

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really helped me again put a couple
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power to choose my response to what
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was going to change the energy that
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I brought to life, and when
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moment, Now that I had the
freedom, you know, really from a

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corporate job that was bringing me down, honestly, because I couldn't even grieve

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how I needed to. It's awkward, right, It's just awkward in the

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workplace. So it gave me first
the space to grieve. So I spent

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about six weeks just grieving, just
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had to suppress when I went back
to work, and then I got clear

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on what I wanted my next steps
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do think that when we honor our
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come with different hardships or setbacks,
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space that may be uncomfortable for the
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even if it comes back. You
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We never stop grieving. We just
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life. But guess what, on
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those big events that were grieving,
stress and overwhelmed come right burnout or or

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volunteering too much. You know,
when we are dedicated to too many things,

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like when we are in that space
of just being busy, we can

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lose ourself there as well. So
if we just check in with ourself and

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get intentional about how we want to
show up in the next moment, it

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allows us to show up as our
best self. Oh my gosh, Karen,

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this is so beautiful. There's two
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out about what you were just saying
there to really help our listeners gain what

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I hope is is some real learning
opportunity for themselves. One is there's really

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the fourth way that we can really
gain access to Meani According to Victor Frankel,

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and loco therapy is through gratitude.
And so what you did to practice

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that gratitude is a tremendous way to
be able to cultivate meaning in our lives.

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And you are a beautiful, perfect
example of somebody who you would think,

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how can I find gratitude or anything? But you found it, You

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discovered it, and that's so I
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the second thing I want to call
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own experiences. Thing that I've gotten
more and more present to is i've gone

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out to speak, Karen, is
that when I go out and talk about

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the importance of cultivating meaning and inspiration
and passion and purpose, invariably I'm getting

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people that come and share their stories
with me, and they tell me about

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things like what you've gone through that
you know should have crippled them, but

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when they lean into it, they
recognize that when they embraced the experience,

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whatever it was, that in the
healing of that and then in sharing it

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with someone else, it became an
expression of their purpose, just like it

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has been for you and I.
So for people who have been pummeled by

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life, those of you listening have
had those experiences that have maybe knocked you

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to your knees. There may be
something there, as there has been for

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Karen. That is a gift for
you to be able to give back and

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share and serve other people as Karen
is doing so with that in Karen,

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now, I want to tell you
one thing with that, Alisa, if

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you don't mind me tell you they're
sure. I mentioned this in my Ted

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talk that not everybody will be as
you know, flamboyant we'll say, as

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I am, or adventurous or ambitious, or in trying to create a movement

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or a business around their adversity.
Right, that is okay. Sometimes it's

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a small gesture, and I think
if we can just tap into I know

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what this pain feels like, let
me show up for this person with compassion

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and empathy, you may end up
being that source of hope or strength to

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another person just in sharing your story
or just in reflecting on your story and

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then showing up in a very intentional
way when you see somebody else experiencing that

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pain. And so again, it
may not be this grand gesture of creating

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a business or becoming a speaker or
a coach. I never thought I would

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do any of this. I really
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that level. It can literally be
in the small details, just by tapping

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into what you've gone through and showing
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with that, and I'm so glad
you said that, because I wouldn't want

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our listeners to think that they have
to literally, you know, go quit

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their life and totally reinvent themselves and
become a speaker or whatever else they might

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do. But you have, And
so a couple of things. I just

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I love the fact you are uniquely
a resilience coach. Oh my gosh,

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you are uniquely qualified. And part
of what I appreciate that you're up to

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now is really creating and propelling this
healing movement. So you know, obviously

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we can see where it comes from
from your own life, but there's a

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reason you're doing this work. So
why do you see this going on in

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the world that we find ourselves in
need of such a movement? You know,

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it was when I recognize that grief
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death, that it's when we experience
different changes or losses that we then experience

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emotional distress. And I actually saw
similarities between my emotional distress and my sister

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who is going through a divorce at
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mind just became open to how are
we processing all of the things that weigh

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us down, whether it is death, whether it is job loss or divorce,

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or even just you know, managing
different personalities, even adoption, you

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know, or pregnancy, the dynamics
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all of that can really bring a
lot of overwhelm. And so when I

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started to think about that, I
thought, Okay, well, first is

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normalizing the conversation around this, right, we need to talk about our stories.

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We need to share our stories because
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But beyond that, we need to
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So I pivoted away from a lot
of what people were hoping that I

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would become, which is kind of
this grief girl, right, this advocate

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for grief, and I started to
focus less on the pain and more on

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the solution. And that's when I
honed in on how do we create a

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healing movement Having conversations about what helped
us during those dark times habits, we

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were able to use to bring that
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know, to face our fears.
Like having those conversations again helps us to

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normalize what our our conversations look like
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But then also sharing tools and resources. I am a huge fan of positive

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psychology and the things that I have
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reading books, looking up studies.
I mean, it has just really

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helped to open up my mind too, the varying tools and resources that are

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out there. And so I even
started to think about my journey to say,

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Okay, what did I do to
switch my mindset from focusing on the

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bad to now looking towards hope and
more productive thought cycles? And so that's

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when I started to jot down some
of them practical ways and simple and affect

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ways that I was creating this change
in my life and rebuilding my life.

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And so that's where I feel like
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we've all been through something or we're
currently going through it, or we're just

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feeling burnt out by day to day
life. And also there are a ton

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of resources out there and healthy habits
that we can share that will help us

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then cultivate a healthier and happier life, which ultimately creates a ripple effect.

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The things that I've learned, I'm
teaching my son. That's impacting the next

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generation. Also, the things that
I've learned are helping me just show up

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in other people's lives in a positive
way, and they are feeding off of

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this energy and this light, which
then creates a ripple effect in their life.

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So again, it starts with just
acknowledging the hard stuff, but sharing

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the good stuff. Oh my gosh, Karen, that is so beautiful.

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And I don't know if our listeners
are aware of this, but I certainly

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am, and I want to call
it out. Just listening to your energy

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when we began this conversation on that
when you were twenty nine years old and

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you lost your husband, and now
the energy that you're sharing from right now,

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Karen, is just it's so compelling, it's so enthralling, it's so

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alluring, and it's life affirming.
Thank you, thank you. You're welcome.

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You're so welcome. Thank you.
Let's grab our last break, because

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after the break, I want to
talk more about what you're doing in your

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communities in your masterclass, and I
want to make sure our listeners have a

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chance to be able to chew on
that. So let's grab our last break.

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I'm your host, Alice Cortes.
We're on the air with Karen MILLSAP.

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She is a resilience coach and the
founder of the Growth Flow Community.

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She joins us today from Orlando,
Florida. Stay with us, We'll be

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right back. Cortes is a speaker
and engagement and development catalyst. She designs

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and delivers professional development, leadership and
engagement workshops and can bring her expertise to

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your organization. She will help ignite
meaningful development within your workforce that will increase

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employee engagement, performance and retention.
To learn more or to invite Elise to

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speak to your organization, please visit
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She would welcome the opportunity to help
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is working on Purpose with Elise Cortes. To reach our program today, send

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an email to a lease alic at
elisecortes dot com. Now back to working

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on purpose. Thanks Christine with us
and welcomer to working on purpose. If

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you're just tuning in our guest is
Karen Milsap. She is a resilience coach

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and the founder of the Growth Flow
Community. I'm your host Elise Cortes.

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So Karen for this last bit here. Now that we've talked about really where

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your journey has sprung from and how
you've navigated that, now I want to

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focus on just what you're doing to
help other people. So first, I

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love the name of your community,
grow Flow. So where did this,

447
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.559
how when did this come along in
your journey and who do you serve in

448
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.960
that space? So when I was
thinking about, Okay, what does this

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00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.400
healing movement look like and what is
it going to be called? And how

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are people going to be tied to
it? I ultimately had to think about

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what do I want them to be
able to do? Through everything I put

452
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:36.960
out, what should they be able
to do? And ultimately through the resources

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00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:40.000
we provide, the individuals should be
able to grow through the things that they

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go through and they should be able
to flow with LIFs, ups and downs.

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We are not going to be able
to predict all of the troubles that

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come our way. We can't even
change them once they get there. The

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circumstances and events that happen in our
life. That's just those are the cards

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that were dealt, and so if
we are able to grow through that,

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then it's redeeming those painful moments.
And if we're able to flow through it,

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then that's what true resiliency looks like. So the goal of the Growth

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Flow is to provide individuals with emotional
and mental health resources, and so it's

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everything from different techniques and tools to
books or programs, and again also infusing

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00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:27.680
positive lifestyle inspiration in there so that
we make sure that we're not just settling

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for the life that we have,
but we're really working to achieve our greatest

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abilities. So I love all of
that. And so as a community,

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then it's an online community. Then
it is so you can go on to

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my website and find a ton of
free resources. You can follow on social

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00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:51.160
media as well. But this is
just the very beginning, because I have

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some big plans for conferences and retreats
to be hosted by the Growth Flow with

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different partners that are just in the
total wellness space. H I love that.

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I absolutely love that. I also
a cultivating an online community for people

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that really wanted to develop their connection
and discovery of meaning passion, inspiration and

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00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.360
purpose, because I've found Karen that
whenever speaking, people are so hungry for

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00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.679
that, and so for them to
get even into that space, they need

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00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.199
you first. So I love that
you've created a community like that, and

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I'm sharing for you, and I
also really applaud what you're doing around adding

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the retreats piece of it and the
other aspects of conferences around it. That's

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00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.480
so important. And what's great too
is that both of us from different angles

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are really addressing the well being space, right. That's part of what we're

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00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.480
up to here. And to that
end, I want to hear about this

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masterclass community called soul Care. What's
that about? Well, so, the

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growth flow is a big place to
get everything, but soul Care is more

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00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.559
of an intimate and intentional setting.
So we meet every month and we pull

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00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.840
back the layers of different topics.
For example, last month we were talking

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about facing fear, and we give
some really practical ways to face our fears.

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We also will have challenges throughout the
month that will help us experience rapid

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00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.320
growth. And then this month we're
talking about how do we turn up the

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happy, how we increase our joy
and just soak up the goodness, and

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so it's going to be a really
fun month because we are going to talk

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about, you know, how we
can get more happiness. It is through

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00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:30.079
gratitude. It's also through being silly
and enjoying music and going painting, or

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00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.079
you know, taking your shoes off
and just feeling the earth underneath your feet

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00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.719
like that is so grounding. So
there are so many ways that we can

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00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.800
tap into our happiness but also turn
it up a notch. And so that's

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the goal of this month. But
the Masterclass is really a space for individuals

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00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.159
to come. We meet online and
then they're constantly fed throughout the month based

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on the different topics and themes.
And I even bring in guest coaches who

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00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:58.239
you know, depending on their specialty, can just pour in a different perspective

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00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:02.199
about our topics. So that way
people are getting a well rounded experience and

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00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.800
not just hearing, you know,
from one person's experience. I love the

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00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.199
idea of what I heard you say, among other things they were Karen is

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cultivating delight right, so right,
and it is so important to be able

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00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:20.719
to dance with life and just be
silly and enjoy yourself. I remember when

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00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.320
I was young and just meeting my
then husband, And at the time,

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00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.440
I was thirty two and he was
twenty seven. And I had this thing

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00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.360
where whenever we went out grocery shopping, I wanted to be pushed in the

507
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.960
cart. And he was like horrified
by that, and I was like,

508
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.360
come on, you know, And
so I get in the cart and I'd

509
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.480
say, come on. Push Anyway, he got to a place where you

510
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:45.599
could get around it. But like
that silliness being able to dance is so

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important and I love that's part of
what you're up to. It't it doesn't

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00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.039
surprise me, but I love it. Yeah. And I actually thought about

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00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.440
this because I was with my son
at a park and I don't know the

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00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:57.679
last time I hopped on a swing, but when I got into the swing

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00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.159
and I started pumping my legs,
I started laughing because it felt so good.

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And I thought to myself, Man, when did this stop in life?

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00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.159
And why when did we get so
consumed with everything else that is pulling

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00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:14.800
for our time and attention that we
did not just rest in these moments that

519
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.519
make us laugh and make us smile. And you know what, those moments

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00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:23.119
actually change the structure of your brain, so you can literally create a new

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00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:30.000
life by intentionally bringing more happiness into
your world. You know what's so great

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00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.480
about this conversation, Karen, is
you, of all people who you know,

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00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.400
lost your husband six years ago tragically, for you to be able to

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really embrace this just tremendous sense of
joy and gratitude is really a great message

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00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.639
from you. Thank you, thank
you. My friend asked me, she

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00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.760
said, so what do you think
of all of this, you know,

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the life that you're living, and
how does it feel? And I thought

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about my husband, and I said, he was so much fun and he

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loved life. I think he would
be proud of me. And so that's

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what I'm just hoping is through not
just the good and intentional work that I'm

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doing to help people heal, but
also through the fun that I'm creating for

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our son and for other people,
and the energy that i'm giving. You

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00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.639
know, I'm just I'm hoping that
he's just proud of my effort. That

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00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:21.679
is so beautiful. And again,
for those of you listeners who have lost

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someone really special and important to you, like Karen Has, I really hope

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00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:29.119
that you're getting something from this beautiful
joy that she's able to access and there's

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00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.559
something there for you, and if
not, then reach out and talk to

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00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.079
her. Yes. So okay,
So any other thing that I said to

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00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.360
you when we first spoke on the
phone is that I really like to be

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able to give my listeners something that
they can really immediately use in their lives

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00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.199
as they walk away from our conversation. And you said, well, I've

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00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.760
got this thing called stop and shift, so talk to us about that.

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00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:57.440
Yeah. So resiliency really starts in
your mind, right, and so I'm

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00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.400
thinking about adding one more thing onto
that title, Resilition and Mindset Coach,

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because that's when all of this starts. And so I was thinking because my

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00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.559
mom asked me, she said,
what do you think was the first thing

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00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.719
you did to start on this path
of healing? And I said, I

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00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.559
changed my mindset and I explained that
a little bit earlier in the show.

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But this is how I was able
to create a method that's easy for other

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00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.559
people to understand the process I went
through in my mind. So the first

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00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:29.880
thing is it's stopping the negative thoughts
cycles, which I don't know why that's

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00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:35.079
our dominant or our default space,
but it is right. And so stop

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00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:40.679
stands for silence thoughts on purpose.
That is a level of awareness. That

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00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:46.079
is the first step of mindfulness is
to be able to disconnect from your thoughts,

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to see them not as you,
but as that voice inside of your

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00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:53.760
head, and to also kind of
see them as like sticks in a river

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00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:59.079
just floating by right, they are
separate from you. And when you're able

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00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.440
to do that, then you you
can silence those thoughts on purpose. But

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00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.079
if you silence your thoughts, eventually
what happens more thoughts start to creep back

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00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:13.599
in. And so you have to
be intentional about pointing your thoughts in a

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00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.840
new direction, so you shift them. And when you shift them away,

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then you're going to look at things. And this is what ship stands for.

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You're going to see hope, intentions, facts, and then new thoughts.

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And let me break that part down
really quick, because when you see

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hope, which is a lot of
what I was seeing early on, Like,

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for example, when my house had
to be pulled back off the market,

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i was living around boxes, I
had to look at hope and just

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00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:44.320
say, listen, my house is
eventually going to sell when I don't know,

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but I am going to remain hopeful
because while I'm waiting I can either

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00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.320
feel miserable or I can feel hopeful. I'm going to be waiting the same

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00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.960
amount of time, which unbeknownst to
me was going to be you know,

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00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.159
two to three months later, but
it's just my choice and how I show

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00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:05.880
up during that time. So to
remain hopeful is really just allowing yourself to

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be positive, usually while you're waiting
for something or while you're in the midst

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of a change. And then when
you're looking at intentions, you may have

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00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.920
to look at other people's intentions.
Maybe you're in a disagreement and you have

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00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.920
to see like are they trying to
be mean or rude, or are they

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00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.920
just you know, very passionate about
their stance. Or sometimes you need to

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00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:30.400
check your own intentions before you respond
to a situation. Otherwise you may respond

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00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:36.039
from that default emotional space instead of
reacting in a way that it's going to

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00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.079
bring positivity or it's going to move
you in a more productive manner. So

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00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:45.280
check your heart's intentions before you start
to respond. And then the last thing

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00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:52.199
is to see facts where sometimes again, were we are reacting from a very

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00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.960
limited perspective, or we don't have
all the details, or we need to

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00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.280
just ground ourselves with the facts because
we are so far off base with our

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00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.480
emotions, and so during any scenario, you can see one of these three

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00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.639
things. You can see all of
these three things. You know, sometimes

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you really have to pause and shift
to each of those. But I want

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00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.719
to give you an example that I
just had a woman ask me for advice

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00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.880
on in a talk I gave at
Universal a couple of weeks ago. She

591
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:25.800
said, I really struggle with mom
guilt because I travel a lot for work,

592
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.800
and it makes me feel bad that
I'm not spending this time with my

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00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.400
two littles, Like, how can
I work through that? And I said,

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well, what is something that you
would shift to. Just think about

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00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:39.000
it for a second, and then
I told her, I said, what

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00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:44.719
comes to mind for me first is
stopping the negative thought cycle that you are

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00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.320
bad mom and you should feel guilty
that you're away from your kids, and

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00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:52.119
shift to your intentions, because I
see the intentions of a mom who wants

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00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:57.719
to contribute to her family's livelihood,
who wants to provide for her family,

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who wants to try to give the
best to her kids. And that's why

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00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.480
you have this amazing job that yes
requires you to travel, but you're not

602
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.199
doing that to cause harm to your
children. You're actually doing it because you

603
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:13.719
want to benefit your kids and their
future. And I could see the weight

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00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:17.719
lifted from her mind and her shoulders
actually when I said this to her.

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00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.599
And I struggle with that too with
mom gil that oh man, am I

606
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:23.920
doing the wrong thing? So again, it doesn't have to be a big

607
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:29.400
hardship. It can be every day
struggles and stressors. But if you stop

608
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.519
the negative thoughts and you shift it
to something that is more positive and productive,

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00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.239
then you can choose your response,
which is then going to create a

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00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.239
positive ripple effect in your life.
That is gorgeous, Karen, And it

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00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:44.320
reminds me a bit of the work
that I do with with the individuals,

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00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:49.199
leaders and organizations with logo therapy,
which is a very similar premise, Karen.

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So you know you and I are
drinking from the same hose. Is

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that from choosing the lens through which
we allow ourselves to view things. Any

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experience that might be considered negative,
like the mother and the mom guilt,

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can be transmitted into a positive experience
through a different lens, and that different

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and when we do so, it
actually allows us to grow and so when

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you said you saw her shoulders relaxed
and such, I would also say that

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in part it was because she was
also growing in the process that you gave

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her of being able to see her
life in that way. Absolutely absolutely,

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and think about how that then encourages
you to show up in life. You're

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not showing up with negative energy.
You're showing up with energy that's infectious and

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will create a ripple effect around you, right right, So you're contributing further

624
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in the process to other people around
you. Absolutely totally see that. And

625
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similarly, like you, Karen,
that's part of what I'm up to in

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the world too, is to create
that meaning and purpose movement that really is

627
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enrolling other people and allows people to
grow themselves in the process of serving others

628
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and again that positive ripple effect.
I'm completely with you on that. Yeah,

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so good. I call it spreading
pixie dust. But that's what I'm

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up to in life, spreading pixie
duest. So you started to say something

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about what you're doing there with the
talk you just gave there at the organization

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you mentioned, I like if you
would say two things for us, because

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we're getting close to out of time
here. First, when you're out speaking,

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you've got your ted talk, and
you also do conference speaking as well.

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What is the message that you're really
trying to convey to people. So

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there's two messages. One is teaching
stop and shift right, because I think

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that that is a really practical way
for people who are just trying to figure

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out how do I control my mind
and my thoughts. It's a really easy

639
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technique to use. But I'm also
talking about how do we get more good

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vibes in real life, more good
energy. We live in a digital world

641
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where everything is so curated that we
are disconnecting from what really brings good energy

642
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into our life. And so I'm
just sharing the message of things that have

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helped me, you know again,
like positive self talk and emotional regulation,

644
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been doing digital detoxes, or making
sure you're getting enough rest and sleep and

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eating well. Like in the very
beginning, I had to figure out what

646
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am I eating because I think I
feel like trash, Like I need to

647
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get more vegetables and fruits into my
diet so that I feel better. And

648
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so there's so many ways internally and
externally that we can get these good vibes

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in real life, and so really
depending on the audience what they want to

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focus on. But it is about
how are we taking care of ourself to

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create an unbreakable foundation so that we
can get through anything that life throws at

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us. And it comes through those
two messages beautiful. And then finally,

653
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and I'm not sure if this is
maybe a continuation what you just said.

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I want to be able to understand
you say that when you go in to

655
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work with companies, when you first
started your work, you were really sharing

656
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messages about how to deal with grief. And then over time and that really

657
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:58.719
turned into the importance of self care
and total well being, which I makes

658
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complete sense to me. You work
with companies, how are you working with

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them to utilize your message? So
I still have some of those, you

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know, off the shelf learnings like
grief management and empathic listening and things of

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that nature. But what has really
been striking accord recently has been this masterclass

662
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that's called leader Care, and leader
Care is diving into the importance of self

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care and more specifically mindfulness. And
so what I do is I unpack self

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care from kind of a thirty thousand
foot level, you know, looking at

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mental, emotional, spiritual, and
physical and I tie that into how it

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impacts your life, your personal life
and your work life, and how when

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you create a self care as a
lifestyle, how it even helps you to

668
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:55.800
manage stress, how it helps you
to make better decisions. And so leader

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care is really what I've been getting
asked to talk on most because I now

670
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see that companies are shifting from not
just looking at okay, how do we

671
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have a great employee assistance program for
our people, but how do we give

672
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:15.159
our people the tools they need to
access their best self? And that is

673
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:21.280
coming through that's coming through leader care, self care and mindfulness. Wow,

674
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that is a beautiful way to finish
our conversation. Karen. We are just

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out of time, and that was
the way to finish. Thank you so

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much for joining me as a guest. It is a pleasure to have you

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in my life. Well, thank
you so much for having me. This

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is such a great conversation. I
love your show and I love your work.

679
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.119
Thank you likewise, Okay, so
listeners, if you want to learn

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more about Karen Millsap and the work
she does, go to her website.

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It's Karenmillsap dot com. So that's
k A R. E. N.

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MILLSAP M I L L SAP dot
com. Last week, if you missed

683
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the show live, you can always
catch a recorded podcast. We were on

684
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the year with doctor Alex Pataco's AK
eight, Doctor Meaning of the Global Meaning

685
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Institute. We were talking about his
new discipline called meaning Ology and how he

686
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is helping people and organizations across the
globe discover more meaning in their lives and

687
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help and their work, which is
activating a higher levels of engagement, innovation,

688
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and performance. Incredibly impassionate, passionate
man. Next week, we'll be

689
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on the air with doctor Joanne Lefebre
Connolly talking about what she's learned about the

690
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lessons animals can teach people about being
better humans. Ought to be a great

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conversation. See you then, remember
that works at least one third of our

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life. So let's work on purpose. We hope you've enjoyed this week's program.

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Be sure to tune in to Working
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each week on the Voice America Empowerment
Channel. This week, find your

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life's purpose at work