Resilience: Building a Life After Devastating Hardship

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host Elise Cortez. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration from those
people who have found deeper meaning and

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personal connection to their work life.
It's beyond nine to five. It's working

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on Purpose. Now Here is your
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the Working on Purpose Show. Thanks
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listening. Now. This week's program
with us today is Karen Millsap. She

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is a resilience coach and the founder
of Growth Flow Community. We'll be talking

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about her journey of healing after several
tragic incidents in her life and the powerful

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life changing habits that's helped her rebuild
her own life and find her way back

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to a whole heart. Today,
she guides others on how to feel better,

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live better, and achieve their goals
in her masterclass community called soul Care.

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She knows today from Orlando, Florida. Karen, Welcome to Working on

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Purpose. Hi, Alie, thank
you so much for having me. I'm

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looking forward to this conversation me too. And let's also, while we're at

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it, give a shout out to
our mutual friend Brian Williams, who connected

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us. Thank you Brian for bringing
me, Karen, appreciate you. Yes,

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thank you, Brian. Well,
I wanted to This is such a

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remarkable story, and getting to meet
you, Karen, and just being in

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your space is just wonderful. And
I'm again reminded in so doing just how

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purpose can come from a shocking array
of life experiences. And you've had plenty

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of fodder to draw from. And
so if we can, let's just go

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ahead and bring our listeners right into
your space and tell us your story of

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what happened for you starting when I
think you were I think twenty nine with

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your husband. Yes, well,
nobody expects to kind of be at the

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end of your life when you're in
the beginning phases and building your life.

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But that's what happened when my husband
was tragically killed. We owned a CrossFit.

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He started it about six months before
he died, and it was his

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passion. He was stepping out on
faith and wanted to be an entrepreneur and

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was helping so many lives. And
then one evening, I was home doing

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some phone interviews because I was a
recruiter. And as I was interviewing executives,

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my cell phone was buzzing. I
was using the house phone, and

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so that my cell phone was buzzing, and I looked and I saw that

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it was the same person calling over
and over again, and it was a

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woman who was one of our members
at the gym, and so I immediately

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thought, Okay, something must have
happened because she wouldn't be calling back to

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back to back to pack. And
then I thought, well, maybe Richard

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hurt himself. Maybe he fell off
the rig or broke his arm, hid

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his head, you know. And
so there was a moment when I just

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asked the candidate a question and I
put him on mute as I answered her

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next call, and it was just
complete chaos. I heard screaming. I

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couldn't make out exactly what she was
saying, but finally I was able to

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make out the word shot, and
she told me that Richard and Mint shot.

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My body immediately went into convulsion,
but I still wasn't processing. I

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wasn't fully processing what had happened,
and so I took my two year old

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son over to the neighbors. I
just asked them if they could, you

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know, watch him for a little
bit because something had happened at the gym

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and I wasn't sure. And then
I went to, you know, a

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one hundred and something down the highway, just trying to get there. As

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fast as I could, and I
remember having a moment when I thought to

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myself, you know, why am
I not on my way to the hospital.

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And once I pulled up to the
gym, it was just craziness.

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I mean, news reporters were already
there with their vans, you know,

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first responders, people from the community, from church. I mean, it

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was just mayhem. And I'm honestly, at least I don't remember who told

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me or when they told me that
he died, and that he died,

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you know, immediately. But that
night was the night that changed my life.

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And yet at twenty nine, I
became a widow. Oh my gosh.

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Okay, So I gotta tell you
that just listening to you tell that

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story again, I heard a little
bit of the first time we spoke.

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I just it just washes over me, Karen, just the the profundity of

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it, the the enormity of it. I I just it's amazing to me.

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And really it moves me to tears. Amazing to me the stuff that

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life can serve up to us.
And now, you know what's amazing to

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me even more though, is your
response to all this. So you were

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twenty nine then, and if you
don't mind me asking how old are you

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now? I'm thirty five. Okay, so six years ago. Oh my

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god, happy birthday. Okay,
hold on really quick, I have to

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sing your happy birthday really quick and
Portuguese. Okay, gls like this,

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but I will say nesta dada,
kiddie the Musli see the geez vida no,

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thank you right, it's even though
I was happy birthday, geez your

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voice is beautiful. Thank you,
thank you, thank you. At that

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it's it's a great little Portuguese song, and it means congratulations to you on

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this special day. Much happiness and
many years of life. But wow,

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so in sixty years and so I
the reason that I really wanted to share

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you with my listeners is that you're
a perfect example, a living, breathing

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example of what it is to be
able to take the stuff that life serves

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up to us and really dig down
deep into your bones and your soul and

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create a response to that in a
way that both heals yourself and give something

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back to the world. So,
before we get more into what you've been

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able to do over these last six
years, there's more to the story,

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I know. So I think you
said that you didn't have insurance, right,

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Yeah, we didn't have life insurance, which was interesting because I'd start

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at this company and just the paperwork
didn't process. I've been there for a

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little less than a year and found
out that the paperwork wasn't done. So

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normally, you know, you check
that box that you at the very minimum

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have life insurance through your employer for
yourself and your spouse. But we didn't

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have anything, and you know,
we don't get Social Security. I mean

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I literally started from nothing, and
yeah, I ended up losing you know,

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my house and my car, and
a year later I ended up being

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let go from my job. And
so it was just it was a ripple

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effect of crazy. That's the best
way to put it. Well, hold

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on to to sec I really want
to make sure our listeners understand this because

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the way you just said it,
I know it sounds it feels different six

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years later or five years later.
But what did you do where if you

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lost your house, you lost your
car? What what? How did you

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survive? What did you do well? When I so first, it was

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about six months after Richard died that
maybe a little less that I just was

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looking at my finances and saying I
literally cannot live with one income the way

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that we've been living with two.
And so the first thing to go was

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the car. We had just got
into a car because we got into a

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bigger car with the hopes of having
more children. And some people don't understand,

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you know, the heartache that came
from having to downsize a car.

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It's not a big deal, you
know, I'm not very materialistic and not

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at all, but it was the
hopes and dreams that were tied up and

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why we had just purchased that car
because we were expanding our family, and

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so I transitioned out at that car. And then a few months after that,

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I was feeling like I was suffocating
in the house and there were things

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that I just couldn't keep up with. And everybody said, wait a year

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before you put your house on the
market, and I did not wait because

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I just literally felt like I was
crumbling. My house was on the market

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for over a hundred days, which
was out of normal during this time where

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homes were flying off the market.
And then I had an offer and I

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felt like, Okay, there's some
relief. And two days before closing,

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the offer fell through because the buyers
were being investigated by the FBI. So

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then I lived out of boxes for
two almost three months before the house finally

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sold again. And then when the
house sold and I closed on a Friday,

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I walked in the next Monday and
was let go for my job.

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So, I mean, it was
it was a lot. It was a

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lot to process, and the best
thing that I could do was just try

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to see hope, you know,
try to see that better things were going

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to come if I would just try
to get through each day. And I

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wasn't getting through the days in some
eloquent manner. I was literally just trying

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to take it one breath at a
time, you know. I couldn't think

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too far in advance. And I
think the biggest shock that really left an

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imprint on my heart was that we
can try to plan for life as much

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as we want to, and it
doesn't always turn out that way. And

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losing my husband in such a tragic
way taught me that lesson. So I

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really did not try to plan too
far in advance, and I really was

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very present and I took it day
by day. I totally get all that,

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and I still feel like when I'm
listening to you speak, not that

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on the other side of those words, it's just this gotta be this immense

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chasm of pain, and just how
do you make sense of this? And

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then you've got to take You got
a young child to care for, and

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you're grieving and your whole world is
turned upside down? Can you describe for

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us what those what it felt like? Well, the best way that I

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would describe it to people, because
remember being twenty nine and a widow,

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there were not a lot of people
around me that could relate right, and

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so it was hard for me to
put into words what I was feeling.

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And I later found there's this chemical
deficiency that happens in our brain when we

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lose a loved one, and that's
why I couldn't really articulate it. But

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looking back, it really felt like
I was drowning. It either felt like

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I was drowning, like I was
suffocating, or like I was in a

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fog. But the point was I
just felt completely consumed with pain, and

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so on the outside people would actually
say, oh my gosh, you're so

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strong. I remember somebody said that
to me in the in the grocery store,

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and I thought it was I thought
it was so rude of them.

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To say and so insensitive. But
on the outside, maybe I did look

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like I was being strong because I
wasn't going crazy. On the inside,

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I was completely broken, and I
think the reason they saw strength was because

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I was truly operating on autopilot.
I was just kind of going through the

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motions, and on the inside,
again, I just felt like, I

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don't know if I can handle this
pain. I literally wanted to die because

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it seemed like a better option than
to carry another day of that weight of

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pain. And I can understand why
people do take their life. It didn't

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get to that point for me,
though, because I did have that glimmer

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of hope, and that really also
came from my son. And I didn't

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want that man who killed my husband
to kill two people that night, because

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he very well could have by the
weight of emotion that I was feeling and

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carrying the weeks and months after.
And so I just looked at my son

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and I said, it's not going
to be his story. And that's when

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I decided that I was going to
take my pain and I was going to

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turn it into purpose, and I
was going to pay it forward to others

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because I didn't want anybody else to
feel as alone as I felt during that

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time. That is stunning, and
I can I want to recognize at least

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one thing there that I heard from
my own experience and my education around logotherapy

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and existential psychology, etc. The
The the importance of having someone else to

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focus on, in other words,
focused on serving others and other person is

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so important to well being and good
health and can catapult us out of that

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autopilot place that you're talking of,
and you know, the suffering piece of

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it. And so I think that
that focus right there was probably in part

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really saved your life. It sounds
to me like absolutely I tell people all

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the time, and my son doesn't
realize it because again he was two two

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and a half at the time that
he saved my life. If I did

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not have my little boy, I
really feel like I would have given up

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on life because it was just the
weight of that experience. I mean,

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it can break you. What is
his name, Caleb, Caleb? Thank

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you Caleb for keeping Karen in our
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Well, so what did you learn
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the first thing I learned was I
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time and for some reason, you
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I was always kind of known as
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you know, I had a very
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life in general, and so I
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felt like I was never going to
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was scary to me. But in
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It's okay to not be okay all
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just lay on the floor and cry. And I needed that realization, especially

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because the work that I was,
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people, which I didn't even realize. But I wouldn't be able to help

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and serve others if I couldn't meet
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when they're in the mess or the
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the first thing I learned was that
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I don't have to always have a
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feelings and not lose my strength.
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was that I had a lot of
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into. You know, I could
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life and really redefine who I was, and that kind of came through the

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awareness of Hold on a second,
I get to choose my reaction to this.

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My reaction can either be that I
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miserable, and I will hate life
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that, and you know what,
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would be mad at me, because
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through. But I also realized that
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I didn't want to live in that
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that I held was in the response
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I really started to become more intentional. And that's also where I decided to

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put my oxygen mask on first and
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really intentional about how I was taking
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care of my son better. That
is beautiful, Karen, and I definitely

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want to explore more about that piece
of the attitude after the break here,

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but let's grab our first break.
I'm your host, Alice Cortez. We've

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founder of the grow Flow community.
She joined to today from Orlando, Florida.

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in motion. After the break,
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she's done to create a way to
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on Purpose. Thanks for staying with us,

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and welcome back to working on Purpose. If you're just joining us.

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My guest is Karen MILLSAP. She
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the Growth Flow Community. I'm your
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just before the break, you were
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chose to take in response to what
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want to talk about that for our
listeners because it's such an important part of

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the work that I do in logo
therapy with individuals, leaders and organizations,

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and it gets to the piece of
in terms of how we experience meaning in

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life. We can get it from
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get it is the attitude that we
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or adversity that is given to us. We have the unique ability as humans

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to decide that attitude and choose it. And you particularly chose an attitude there

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that strikes me as remarkable, especially
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us understand a bit more about how
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to sort of put the stake in
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thank you for saying that it didn't
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didn't It didn't strike me as anything
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do for my son, you know. It was just I didn't have any

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other option because what happened, what
I noticed in my mind, was I

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kept replaying the night that my husband
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there. I didn't ask anybody for
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they just kind of served that to
you, right. And so because there

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were a lot of details that I
didn't know, as I would replay that

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night over and over again, I
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see the shooter coming in? Was
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in pain? Was I mean?
I would just even saying it right now,

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I can feel myself getting sick,
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when I realized that I could either
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towards other things like hope or gratitude. That's what helped me to start to

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feel better physically, not in a
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that subtle difference, right, as
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experiencing of replaying some of those thoughts
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thoughts that I have. And so
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don't really know how I'm going to
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have the confidence to do so I
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what I decided was, I am
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at the things I can be grateful
for right now. I'm grateful that I

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have a pillow under my head because
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as I'm falling asleep, you know. I'm grateful that my son is healthy.

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I am grateful that we had food
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could take a shower right because there
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not going to shower and I may
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granular with gratitude in the beginning.
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it and as time started to,
you know, unfold, I could look

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back at moments that were good and
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example, when when I was let
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my box of things, getting down
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was crying. I mean just it
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to do. Yeah, I'm failing. That's how I felt. I am

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failing. It's been a year and
I'm failing my son. And I thought

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to myself, what the heck am
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thought to myself within a moment,
oh my gosh, what am I going

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to do? It was like a
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and that was a moment where my
mind shifted, and it really helped

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me again put a couple of things
together. One that I had the power

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to choose my response to what just
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going to change the energy that I
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brought to life, and when I
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Now that I had the freedom,
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job that was bringing me down honestly, because I couldn't even grieve how I

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needed to. It's awkward, right, It's just awkward in the workplace.

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weeks just grieving, just sitting and
facing all those feelings that I had to

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suppress. When I went back to
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I wanted my next steps to take
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that when we honor our feelings and
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different hardships or setbacks, it really
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may be uncomfortable for the moment,
but it doesn't last forever and even if

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it comes back. You know,
I say this all the time. We

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never stop grieving. We just learned
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But guess what, on the day
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events that we're grieving. Stress and
overwhelm, come right burnout, or volunteering

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too much. You know, when
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like when we are in that space
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ourselves there as well. So if
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intentional about how we want to show
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us to show up as our best
self. Oh my gosh, Karen,

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this is so beautiful. There's two
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about what you were just saying there
to really help our listeners gain what I

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hope is some real learning opportunity.
For themselves. One is there's really the

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fourth way that we can really gain
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and locotherapy, is through gratitude.
And so what you did to practice that

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gratitude is is a tremendous way to
be able to cultivate meaning in our in

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our lives. And you are a
beautiful, perfect example of somebody who you

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would think, how can I find
gratitude in anything? But you found it.

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You discovered it, and that's so
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of your own experiences, and it's
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too as I've gone out to speak, Karen, is that when I go

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out and talk about the importance of
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invariably I'm getting people that come and
share their stories with me, and

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they tell me about things like what
you've gone through that you know should have

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crippled them, but when they lean
into it, they recognize that when they

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embraced the experience, whatever it was, that in the healing of that and

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then in sharing it with someone someone
else, it became an expression of their

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purpose, just like it has been
for you, and I so for people

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who have been pummeled by life.
Those of you listening have had those experiences

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that have maybe knocked you to your
knees. There may be something there as

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there has been for Karen. That
is a gift for you to be able

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to give back and share and serve
other people as Karen is doing so with

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that in Karen, now, I
want to talk one thing with that Alsa,

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if you don't mind, sure,
I mentioned this in my Ted talk

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that not everybody will be as you
know glamboyant will say as I am,

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or adventurous or ambitious in trying to
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adversity. Right. That is okay. Sometimes it's a small gesture, and

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I think if we can just tap
into I know what this pain feels like,

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let me show up for this person
with compassion and empathy, you may

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end up being that source of hope
or strength to another person just in sharing

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your story or just in reflecting on
your story and then showing up in a

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very intentional way when you see somebody
else experiencing that pain. And so again,

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it may not be this grand gesture
of creating a business or becoming a

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speaker or a coach. I never
thought I would do any of this.

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I really didn't. But it doesn't
have to be that level. It can

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literally be in the small details,
just by tapping into what you've gone through

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and showing up for somebody else.
I completely agree with that, and I'm

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so glad you said that, because
I wouldn't want our listeners to think that

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they have to literally go quit their
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speaker or whatever else they might do. But but you have, And so

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a couple of things. I just
I love the fact you are uniquely a

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resilience coach. Oh my gosh,
you are uniquely qualified. And part of

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what I appreciate that you're up to
now is really creating and propelling this healing

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movement. So you know, obviously
we can see where it comes from from

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you in your own life, but
there's a reason you're doing this work.

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So what do you see this going
on in the world that we find ourselves

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in need of such a movement?
You know, it was when I recognize

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that grief is not just the result
of a death, that it's when we

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experience different changes or losses that we
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saw similarities between my emotional distress and
my sister who is going through a divorce

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at the time. And so then
again my mind just became open to how

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are we processing all of the things
that weigh us down, whether it is

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death, whether it is job loss
or divorce, or even just you know,

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managing different personalities, even adoption,
you know, or pregnancy, the

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dynamics of your family and your household, changing all of that can really bring

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a lot of overwhelm. And so
when I started to think about that,

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I thought, Okay, well,
first is normalizing the conversation around this,

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right, we need to talk about
our stories. We need to share our

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stories because then we don't feel as
alone. But beyond that, we need

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to also share the healing part of
our journey. So I really I pivoted

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away from a lot of what people
were hoping that I would become, which

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is kind of this grief girl,
right, this advocate for grief, and

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I started to focus less on the
pain and more on the solution. And

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that's when I honed in on how
do we create a healing movement? Having

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conversations about what helped us during those
dark times, habits we were able to

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use to bring that positive mindset to
practice emotional regulation, you know, to

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face our fears. Like having those
conversations again helps us to normalize what our

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conversations look like right now around grief
and emotional distress. But then also sharing

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tools and resources. I am a
huge fan of positive psychology and the things

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that I have learned in just you
know, studying online, reading books,

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looking up studies. I mean,
it has just really helped to open up

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my mind too, the varying tools
and resources that are out there. And

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so I even started to think about
my journey to say, Okay, what

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did I do to switch my mindset
from focusing on the bad to now looking

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towards hope and more productive thought cycles? And so that's when I started to

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jot down some of the practical ways
and simple and effect ways that I was

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creating this change in my life and
rebuilding my life. And so that's where

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I feel like we can really generate
a movement is because we've all been through

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something, or we're currently going through
it, or we're just feeling burnt out

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by day to day life and Also, there are a ton of resources out

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there and healthy habits that we can
share that will help us then cultivate a

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healthier and happier life, which ultimately
creates a ripple effect. The things that

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I've learned, I'm teaching my son. That's impacting the next generation. Also,

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the things that I've learned are helping
me to show up in other people's

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lives in a positive way, and
they are feeding off of this energy and

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this light, which then creates a
ripple effect in their life. So again,

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it starts with just acknowledging the hard
stuff, but sharing the good stuff.

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Oh my gosh, Karen, that
is so beautiful. And I don't

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know if our listeners are aware of
this, but I certainly am, and

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I want to call it out.
Just listening to your energy when we began

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this conversation on that when when you
were twenty nine years old, then you

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lost your husband, and now the
energy that you're you're sharing from right now,

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Karen, is just it's so compelling, it's so enthralling, it's so

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alluring, and it's life affirming.
Thank you, thank you, You're welcome.

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You're so welcome. Thank you.
Let's grab our last break because after

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the break, I want to talk
more about what you're doing in your communities

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in your masterclass, and I want
to make sure our listeners have a chance

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to be able to chew on that. So let's grab our last break.

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I'm your host, Elise Cortez.
We're on the air with Karen Millsap.

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She is a resilience coach and the
founder of the Grow Growth Flow community.

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She joined today from Orlando, Florida. Stay with us, We'll be right

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back. Alis Cortez is a speaker
and engagement and development catalyst. She designs

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and delivers professional development, leadership and
engagement workshops and can bring her expertise to

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your organization. She will help ignite
meaningful development within your workforce that will increase

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employee engagement, performance and retention.
To learn more or to invite Elise to

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speak to your organization, please visit
her at www dot Elise Cortez dot com.

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She would welcome the opportunity to help
get your employees working on purpose.

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This is working on Purpose with Elise
Cortez. To reach our program today,

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send an email to Elise ali Se
at Elise Cortez dot com. Now back

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to working on purpose. Thanks Christine
with us and welcomer to working on purpose.

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If you're just tuning in, I
guess is Karen MILLSAP. She is

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a resilience coach and the founder of
the Growth Flow community. I'm your host,

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Elise Cortez, so caring for this
last bit here. Now that we've

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talked about really where your journey has
sprung from and how you've navigated that,

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now I want to focus on just
what you're doing to help other people.

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So first, I love the name
of your community, grow Flow. So

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where did this, When did this
come along in your journey? And who

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do you serve in that space?
So when I was thinking about, okay,

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what does this healing movement look like
and what is it going to be

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called? And how are people going
to be tied to it? I ultimately

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how to think about what do I
want them to be able to do?

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Through everything I put out, what
should they be able to do? And

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ultimately through the resources we provide,
the individuals should be able to grow through

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the things that they go through,
and they should be able to flow with

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life's ups and downs. We are
not going to be able to predict all

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of the troubles that come our way, we can't even change them once they

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get there. The circumstances and events
that happen in our life, that's just

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those are the cards that were dealt. And so if we are able to

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grow through that, then it's mean
those painful moments and if we're able to

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flow through it, then that's what
true resiliency looks like. So the goal

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of the Growth Flow is to provide
individuals with emotional and mental health resources,

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and so it's everything from different techniques
and tools to books or programs, and

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again also infusing positive lifestyle inspiration in
there so that we make sure that we're

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not just settling for the life that
we have, but we're really working to

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achieve our greatest abilities. So I
love all of that, and so as

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a community, then it's an online
community. Then it is so you can

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go on to my website and find
a ton of free resources. You can

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follow on social media as well.
But this is just the very beginning,

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because I have some big plans for
conferences and retreats to be hosted by the

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Growth Flow with different partners that are
just in the total wellness space. I

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love that, I absolutely love that. I also have a cultivating an online

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community for people that really wanted to
develop their connection and discovery of meaning,

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passion, inspiration, and purpose.
Because I've found, Karen that when I'm

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out speaking, people are so hungry
for that, and so for them to

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get even into that space, they
need you first. So I love that

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you've created a community like that,
and I'm sharing for you, and I

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also really applaud what you're doing around
adding the retreats piece of it and the

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other aspects of conferences around it.
That's so important. And what's great too

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is that both of us from different
angles are really addressing the well being space,

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right. That's part of what we're
up to here. And to that

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end, I want to hear about
this masterclass community called soul Care. What's

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that about. Well, so the
growth flow is a big place to get

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everything, but soul Care is more
of an intimate and intentional setting. So

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we meet every month and we pull
back the layers of different topics. For

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example, last month we were talking
about facing fear, and we give some

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really practical ways to face our fears. We also will have challenges throughout the

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month that will help us experience rapid
growth. And then this month we're talking

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about how do we turn up the
happy? How do we increase our joy

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and just soak up the goodness?
And so it's going to be a really

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fun month because we are going to
talk about, you know, how we

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can get more happiness. It is
through gratitude. It's also through being silly

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and enjoying music and going painting,
or you know, taking your shoes off

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and just feeling the earth underneath your
feet like that is so grounding. So

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there are so many ways that we
can tap into our happiness but also turn

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it up a notch. And so
that's the goal of this month. But

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the Masterclass is really a space for
individuals to come. We meet online and

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then they're constantly fed throughout the month
based on the different topics and themes,

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and I even bring in guest coaches
who, depending on their specialty, can

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just pour in a different perspective about
our topics. So that way people are

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getting a well rounded experience and not
just hearing, you know, from from

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one person's experience. M I love
the idea of what I heard you say.

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Among other things, they are Karen
is cultivating delight right, so right,

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and it is so important to be
able to dance with life and just

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be silly and enjoy yourself. I
remember when I was young and just meeting

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my then husband, and at the
time I was thirty two and he was

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twenty seven, and I had this
thing where whenever we went out grocery shopping,

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I wanted to be pushed in the
cart and and he was like horrified

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by that. And I was like, come on, you know, And

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so I get in the cart and
I'd say, come on, push anyway

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he got. He got, He
got to a place where he could get

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around it. But but like that
silliness, being able to dance is so

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important and I love that's part of
what you're up to. It'sesn't It doesn't

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surprise me, but I love it. Yeah. And I actually thought about

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this because I was with my son
at a park and I don't know the

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last time I hopped on a swing, But when I got on a swing

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and I started pumping my legs,
I started laughing because it felt so good.

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And I thought to myself, Man, when did this stop in life?

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And why when did we get so
consumed with everything else that is pulling

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for our time and attention that we
did not just rest in these moments that

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make us laugh and make us smile. And you know what, those moments

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actually change the structure of your brain, so you can literally create a new

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life by intentionally bringing more happiness into
your world. You know what's so great

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about this conversation, Karen, is
you, of all people who lost your

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husband six years ago tragically, for
you to be able to really embrace this

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just tremendous sense of joy and gratitude
is really a great message from you.

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Thank you, thank you. My
friend asked me, she said, so

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what do you think of all of
this, you know, the life that

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you're living, and how does it
feel? And I thought about my husband,

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and I said, he was so
much fun and he loved I think

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he would be proud of me.
And so that's what I'm just hoping this

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through not just the good and intentional
work that I'm doing to help people heal,

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but also through the fun that I'm
creating for our son and for other

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people, and the energy that I'm
giving. You know, I'm just I'm

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hoping that he's just proud of my
effort. That is so beautiful. And

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again, for those of you listeners
who have lost someone really special and important

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00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.519
to you, like Karen, has
I really hope that you're getting something from

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this beautiful joy that she's able to
access and there's something there for you,

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and if not, then reach out
and talk to her. Yes. So

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okay, So any other thing that
I said to you when when we first

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spoke on the phone is that I
really like to be able to give my

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listeners something that they can really immediately
use in their lives as they walk away

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00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.000
from our conversation. And you said, well, I've got this thing called

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stop and shift, so talk to
us about that. Yeah. So resiliency

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really starts in your mind, right, And so I'm thinking about adding one

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00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.639
more thing onto that title, Resilient
and Mindset Coach, because that's for all

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00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:06.760
of this starts. And so I
was thinking because my mom asked me,

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she said, what do you think
was the first thing you did to start

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on this path of healing? And
I said, I changed my mindset and

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I explained that a little bit earlier
in the show. But this is how

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I was able to create a method
that's easy for other people to understand the

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00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.679
process I went through in my mind. So the first thing is it's stopping

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the negative thoughts cycles, which I
don't know why that's our dominant or our

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default space, but it is right. And so stop stands for silence thoughts

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on purpose. That is a level
of awareness. That is the first step

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of mindfulness, is to be able
to disconnect from your thoughts, to see

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them not as you, but as
that voice inside of your head, and

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to also kind of see them as
like sticks in a river, just floating

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by right, they are separate from
you. And when you're able to do

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that, then you you can silence
those thoughts on purpose. But if you

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silence your thoughts, eventually what happens
more thoughts start to creep back in.

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And so you have to be intentional
about pointing your thoughts in a new direction.

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So you shift them. And when
you shift them away, then you're

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going to look at things. And
this is what ship stands for. You're

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going to see hope, intentions,
facts, and then new thoughts. And

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let me break that part down really
quick, because when you see hope,

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which is a lot of what I
was seeing early on, like for example,

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when my house had to be pulled
back off the market, I was

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living around boxes, I had to
look at hope and just say, listen,

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my house is eventually going to sell
when I don't know, but I

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am going to remain hopeful because while
I'm waiting, I can either feel miserable

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or I can feel hopeful. I'm
going to be waiting the same amount of

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time, which unbeknownst to me was
going to be you know, two to

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three months later, but it's just
my choice and how I show up during

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that time. So to remain hopeful
is really just allowing yourself to be positive,

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usually while you're waiting for something or
while you're in the midst of a

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change. And then when you're looking
at intentions, you may have to look

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at other people's intentions. Maybe you're
in a disagreement and you have to see

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like are they trying to be mean
or rude, or are they just very

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passionate about their stance. Or sometimes
you need to check your own intentions before

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00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:31.719
you respond to a situation, otherwise
you may respond from that default emotional space

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instead of reacting in a way that
is going to bring positivity or it's going

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to move you in a more productive
manner. So check your heart's intentions before

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you start to respond. And then
the last thing is to see facts where

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sometimes again we are reacting from a
very limited perspective, or we don't have

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00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:59.519
all the details, or we need
to just ground ourselves with the facts because

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00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:04.159
we are so far off base with
our emotions. And so during any scenario,

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you can see one of these three
things, you can see all of

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these three things. You know,
sometimes you really have to pause and shift

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to each of those. But I
want to give you an example that I

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just had a woman ask me for
advice on in a talk I gave at

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Universal a couple of weeks ago.
She said, I really struggle with mom

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guilt because I travel a lot for
work, and it makes me feel bad

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that I'm not spending this time with
my two littles, Like, how can

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I work through that? And I
said, well, what is something that

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you would shift to. Just think
about it for a second, and then

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00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.000
I told her, I said,
what comes to mind for me first is

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stopping the negative thoughts cycle that you're
bad mom and you should feel guilty that

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you're away from your kids, and
shift to your intentions, because I see

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the intentions of a mom who wants
to contribute to her family's livelihood, who

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wants to provide for her family,
who wants to try to give the best

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00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:04.039
to her, and that's why you
have this amazing job that yes requires you

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00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.360
to travel, but you're not doing
that to cause harm to your children.

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You're actually doing it because you want
to benefit your kids and their future.

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And I could see the weight lifted
from her mind and her shoulders actually when

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00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:21.480
I said this to her. And
I struggle with that too with Mom Gill

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00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:22.920
that oh man, am I doing
the wrong things? So again, it

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00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:27.920
doesn't have to be a big hardship. It can be everyday struggles and stressors.

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But if you stop the negative thoughts
and you shift it to something that

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is more positive and productive, then
you can choose your response, which is

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00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.639
then going to create a positive ripple
effect in your life. That is gorgeous,

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00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.039
Karen, And it reminds me a
bit of the work that I do

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with individuals, leaders and organizations with
logotherapy, which is a very similar premise,

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Karen. So you know you and
are drinking from the same hose.

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Is that from choosing the lens through
which we allow ourselves to view things,

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any experience that might be considered negative, like the mother and the mom guilt,

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can be transmitted into a positive experience
through a different lens and that different.

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When we do so, it actually
allows us to grow. And so

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when you said you saw her shoulders
relax and such, I would also say

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that in part it was because she
was also growing in the process that you

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gave her of being able to see
her life in that way. Absolutely absolutely,

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and think about how that then encourages
you to show up in life.

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You're not showing up with negative energy. You're showing up with energy that's infectious

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and will create a ripple effect around
you, right right, So you're contributing

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further in the process to other people
around you. Absolutely totally see that.

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And similarly, like like you,
Karen, that's part of what I'm up

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to in the world too, is
to create that that meaning and purpose movement

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that really is enrolling other people and
allows people to grow themselves in the process

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of serving others. And again that
positive ripple effect. I'm completely with you

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on that. Yeah, so good. I call it. I call it

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spreading pixie dust. But that's what
I'm up to in life, spreading pixie

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dust. So you started to say
something about what you're doing there with the

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talk you just gave there at the
organization you mentioned, I'd like if you

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would say two things for us,
because we're getting close to out of time

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here. First, when you're out
speaking, you've got your ted talk and

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you also do conference speaking as well. What is the message that you're really

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trying to convey to people. So
there's two messages. One is teaching stop

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and shift right, because I think
that that is a really practical way for

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people who are just trying to figure
out how do I control my mind and

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my thoughts. It's a really easy
technique to use. But I'm also talking

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about how do we get more good
vibes in real life, more good energy.

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We live in a digital world where
everything is so curated that we are

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disconnecting from what really brings good energy
into our life. And so I'm just

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sharing the message of things that have
helped me, you know again, like

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positive self talk and emotional regulation,
even doing digital detoxes, or making sure

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you're getting enough rest and sleep and
eating well. Like in the very beginning,

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I had to figure out what am
I eating because I think I feel

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like trash, Like I need to
get more vegetables and fruits into my diet

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so that I feel better. And
so there's so many ways internally and externally

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that we can get these good vibes
in real life. And so really depending

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on the audience what they want to
focus on, but it is about how

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are we taking care of ourselves to
create an unbreakable foundation so that we can

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get through anything that life throws at
us. And it comes through those two

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messages beautiful. And then finally,
and I'm not sure if this is maybe

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a continuation what you just said,
I want to be able to understand you

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say that when you go into to
work with companies and when you first started

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your work, you were really sharing
messages about how to deal with grief and

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then over time and that really turned
into the importance of self care and total

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well being, which makes complete sense
to me. So you work with companies,

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how are you working with them to
utilize your message? So I still

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have some of those you know,
off the shelf learnings like grief management and

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empathic listening and things of that nature. But what has really been striking accord

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recently has been this masterclass that's called
leader Care, and leader Care is diving

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into the importance of self care and
more specifically mindfulness. And so what I

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do is I unpack self care from
kind of a thirty thousand foot level,

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you know, looking at mental,
emotional, spiritual, and physical. And

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I tie that into how it impacts
your life, your personal life and your

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work life, and how when you
create a self care as a lifestyle,

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how it even helps you to manage
stress, how it helps you to make

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better decisions. And so leader care
is really what I've been getting asked to

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talk on most because I now see
that companies are shifting from not just looking

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at okay, how do we have
a great employee assistance program for our people,

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but how do we give our people
the tools they need to access their

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best self? And that is coming
through that's coming through leader care, self

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care and mindfulness. Wow, that
is a beautiful way to finish our conversation.

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Karen. We are just out of
time, and that was the way

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to finish. Thank you so much
for joining me as a guest. It

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is a pleasure to have you in
my life. Well, thank you so

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much for having me. This is
such a great conversation. I love your

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show and I love your work.
Thank you. Likewise, Okay, so

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listeners, if you want to learn
more about Karen Millsap and the work she

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does, go to her website,
it's Karen MILLSAP dot com. So that's

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k A R N MILSAP m I
L L SAP dot com. Last week,

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if you missed the show live,
you can always catch a recorded podcast.

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We were on the air with doctor
Alex Patacos aka eight, Doctor Meaning

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of the Global Meeting Institute. We
were talking about his new discipline called meaning

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Ology and how he is helping people
in organizations across the globe discover more meaning

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in their lives and help end their
work, which is activating higher levels of

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engagement, innovation, and performance.
Incredibly impassionate, passionate man. Next week,

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we'll be on the air with doctor
Joanne Lefebre Connolly talking about what she's

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learned about the lessons animals can teach
people about being better humans. Ought to

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be a great conversation. See then, remember that work is at least one

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out of our lives. So let's
work on purpose. We hope you've enjoyed

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this week's program. Be sure to
tune in to Working on Purpose featuring your

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host Alice Cortez, each week on
the Voice America Empowerment Channel. This week,

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find your life's purpose at work