Progress Leadership in the World of Constant Change

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us this week is Dean Lindsay.
He's a keynote speaker with a humorous and

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engaging approach you'll see soon. He
has been hailed as an outstanding thought leader

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building priceless business relationships by sales and
marketing executives international, and is an expert

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and award winning author on influence,
connection, and goal commitment. We'll be

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talking about his latest book, The
Progress Agent Handbook for Influence and Connection.

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He joins to Day from Plano,
Texas. Dean, welcome to Working on

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Purpose. Thank you for having me
at LASE. I'm honored to be on

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isn't this fun? This is going
to be great. We've been talking about

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this for a while and poof,
we made it happen. Poof, we

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made it happen. That's right,
that's what happens when you're connected and have

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influence. Eh. Absolutely please,
but not surprised. Yeah, So,

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I just want to quickly present for
our listeners. I want to share that

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I think the very first time I
met it was years ago. You've been

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speaking for quite some time in building
your acumen and all your list of topics

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that you speak on, and I
still remember how engaging you were you at

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that talk. Dean. We're talking
and sharing with us about how to connect

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with people by remembering their name,
and I still remember that talk. And

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this is guy to be at least
ten years ago. So how's that for

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being memorable? Fantastic? Thank you
so much. Thank you for remembering that.

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Then, the you know, remembering
names is something that as I was

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mentioning it out there and talking about
it. Of course, the information as

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far as the inside about how to
remember names is one thing, But there's

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a whole big, old now you
know bit that I do kind of built

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around it because it's a universal challenge. We all know we need to know

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names, but at the same time, we all are guilty of having those

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names slipped right through our ears.
Yeah, and I just I got it

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quickly. I just thought about this
just now when we're talking really quick.

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I want to share this story.
Several years ago when I was doing some

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work for direct TV around leadership development. I'd have about twenty five people in

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a in a course there was strengths, finder, curse conversations, whatever it

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was, and I did I remember
everybody's name without in a name card.

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And the way that I did it
was when they came in, I just

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really shook their hand and looked at
them and took them in and then said

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their name back, like I know
you you you coach. And I was

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able to remember most of their all
of their names if I can remember right.

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And during the course of the workshop, many of them said, you

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know, how how is it you
can remember our names because I would use

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it during the course of the four
hours, and I told them, you

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know about how I how I shook
their hand, et cetera. And one

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couple of people said, yeah,
I noticed that. It kind of really

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freaked me out that you did that. It kind of stared into my soul.

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But anyway, so I just I
remember so some of that I got

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from your talk. Well, thank
you, thank you. We actually rolled

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that into the news book too.
That that that tip the four steps to

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to what I call the name game
is is featured in the in the new

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book because it's it's all about making
those connection And one of the things that

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happened when we don't catch somebody's name
is not only do we do we not

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have their name to utilize in the
conversation, but then we're in the conversation

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feeling somewhat less about ourselves because we
knew that we had the chance to get

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it. You know, it was
right there. So right, Yeah,

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it's all about keeping yourself intact when
we're remembering names. It's an empowering thing

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to do, it is, and
this conversation. A big reason I wanted

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to have you on the show is, you know, both introverts and extroverts

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need to really know this stuff.
Introverts seem to think that they're not very

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good at at conversation or networking,
but in fact I found them to beat

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stellar at it because they often are
great one on one conversationalist and listeners,

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and extroverts are two although they have
the opportunity to listen more. I think,

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so I want to make sure in
presence that this conversation is for everyone.

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And then before we get into the
topic, if you would just say

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a little bit, Dean, how
in the world did you get into this

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business? Why are you interested in
this area of influence, connection, commitment,

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goals? What a great question,
you know, I come from a

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from a performance background and in performance
and I'm talking about you know, acting

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and music, and that really you
are looking at the connection that you have

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with your cast, the connection you
have with the script, the catching connection

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you have with the audience, and
then the influence that each character is trying

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to have each over each other.
So it's a lot of study about psycho

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and then then I delved into psychology. So really everything I'm talking about is

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is kind of the psychology of how
we make decisions. That's really even when

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you I thank you with the you
know, the influence, connection and goal

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commitment, me being an expert in
those arenas. Really it's the psych It's

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the psychology of how we make decisions, all three of those. Uh.

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And so that's what I really dug
Doug Doug dug into is both from a

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you know, from like from a
performance standpoint of UH. And I used

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to coach. I was an acting
coach for a long time, and when

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I would coach people with people would
always say, how do you remember lines?

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And I say, don't, don't
worry about the lines. What is

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your what is your your character trying
to do? What's the goal of your

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character? And then those lines are
going to come up a lot easier.

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So it was really just a natural
transition from the the the performance on stage

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and off stage, coach people,
me doing it myself, and the psychology

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behind all that, and then moving
that into into the big you know.

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Well, I've been speaking for forty
nine years, but only professionally for eighteen.

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That is great, What a great
background. I knew that you were

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we had an acting background, but
I didn't realize really how your career had

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evolved that makes so much sense to
me, and we need you. So

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I'm happy that I'm one of the
lucky ones that I'm sitting here early on

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the on the on the front lines
with one of your books, your latest

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book, in my hand. So
it's called the Progress Agent Handbook for Influence

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and Connection. So let's talk about
that. There were several things in there

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that that really caught my fancy.
And frankly, what I'm doing is I'm

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pulling out the stuff that I that
really relates to the world for me,

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of of passion, inspiration, purpose
and so one of the first things you

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talk about and I'd like to get
your perspective on change and change management to

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me, that's you've got a bit
of a different take on it, right,

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I don't I don't like the term
change management. I don't think it's

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a helpful term at all. Nobody
wants to change and they certainly don't want

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their change managed. So it's true. Right, So I mean, right

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there, you got one one,
you know, one, the error in

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the wrong direction. So the then
on top of that, it's not it's

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not a it's not a correct label. If the organization takes the world as

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it is and says this is the
next thing we're gonna move, this is

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the next move we need to make
to be successful. Then that's that's not

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changed, that's progress. So it's
progress leadership, not change management. And

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so I got so into that,
and I was almost going to write a

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whole book on progress leadership and realize
that I really didn't want to be pigeonholed

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just on that term. That's the
reason that you know, influence connection and

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goal commitment are kind of my my
Baileywood because I'm I'm not just working with

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organizations on leadership. I spent a
lot of time working with the organizations on

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on sales, prospecting and customer service. So but progress leadership, we did

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like it so much that it is
it is a real you know, circle

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R trademark progress leadership. I like
it a lot, Dean, And this

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is coming from the prospective of somebody
who has done actual change management in organizations.

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I do like progress leadership a whole
lot. Better. Thank you for

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that. You're welcome just for me, I'm sure, And you're the first

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one to see this. This book
doesn't come out, I mean, this

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book comes out in like January.
Nobody I know, I know. I

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That's that's why I thought our timing
was still great, because we're having a

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conversation now here in December, and
you know, this is what happens.

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The show continues to be listening to
each each and every month across the globe

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as people find the different links,
et cetera. So I'm thrilled that I'm

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the I'm the first peak. I'm
I'm thrilled too. I'm glad I'm going

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now. I know at least one
person read it right on well related to

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progress leadership. I like your you
got you know, the piece of progress

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in your book. We with some
of some of these about it, talk

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with us a few of that.
That's right back to this psychology. I'm

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a big and you mentioned it.
I think I think I delved into a

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pretty big in the book. I'm
a big Victor Franco fan. Yeah,

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I'm with you. And once I
got once I got into doctor Franco's work

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and went to some world converses and
you know, studied to be a diplomat

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and loco therapy and loco therapy is
meaning therapy how we derive meaning. I

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just went deep and I just tried
to look at how do we derive meaning?

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And I I decided to add on
to you know that, to that

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premise meaning therapy loco therapy what I
call the six piece of progress, and

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that that that is everything we do
as humans, that's you me. The

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people were trying to influence, connect
with, you know, people were trying

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to help them establish goals, commit
to the goals. We want them to

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have always stuff. Everything we do
consciously or subconsciously, we do because we

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believe the perceived consequences will be us
feeling the unique right extra to us of

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pleasure, peace of mind, profit, prestige, pain avoidance, and power,

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which together make up the six piece
of progress. M okay, well

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let's talk. Can we talk about
a few, at least a few of

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those more in depth? Sure,
go for it. Which ones? Well,

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there's the ones that are mainly you
know, talked about. Are you

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know the peace of mind and pain
avoidance right, or pleasure and pain avoidance.

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Pain avoidance is the is the easiest
one, you know, Pain avoidance

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or pain avoidance. Leadership is just
lazy leadership. Pain avoidance parenting is lazy

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parenting. You've got all the other
different ways to inspire, connect, influence

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people. But there isn't just one, you know, one way and one

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one is not one is not more
powerful than the other. And that's the

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reason that we need to get to
know that people were connecting with you know,

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I'm sure I put it in this
book and I don't know what page

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at all, but I'm sure someone
there I I mentioned the fact that when

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you're out there connecting or networking with
someone that's doing individual market research, you're

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trying, Yeah, you're trying to
connect to what what what is progress for

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them? What is pleasure? Piece
of my profit? Prestige, paying avoidant,

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the power and where what's the what's
the hot buttons? And then how

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can you show how your products and
services can help them feel those those six

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p's. But it is it is
challenging to discuss each poet. Actually it's

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in my second book, which I
took a really deep dive into the six

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piece called the Progress Challenge. I
have a chapter on each one of the

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each one of the six pis.
But there is not one, you know,

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prestige that's remembering somebody's name just to
come around you back to the when

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when somebody said to you after the
program, wow, you know everybody it's

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because it made them feel good.
They got a little prestige, but a

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smile, you know, they're back
to the networking or connecting with somebody.

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We always know we're supposed to smile, but the reason you're supposed to smile

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is because you're offering somebody pleasure.
M that is delightful. Tean, that

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is so delightful. And I what
I appreciate about about what you're saying here

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is it it really does give us
deeper access to connection, the power up

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connection. When you when you talk
about these six piece of progress it you

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know, I didn't think about me
remember somebody's name having a prestige element to

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it, But you're right, it
does make people feel important. Oh she

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remembered me, She remembered me in
this class of twenty five here you go.

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Yeah, well, and I find
there's names are so amazing anyway,

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right, So where somebody's beautiful and
making sure that you pronounce it correctly and

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you say it correctly, it's just
is really important. I think. Oh

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yeah, especially in the world we
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Dean. I'm your host, Alice
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back to working on purpose if you're
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Lindsay. He's a keynote speaker with
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connection and goal commitment. We're talking
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Handbook for Influence and Connection. I'm
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Dean, I want to talk about
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first segment, I love that you
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from change management to progress leadership.
That is so smart, right direction.

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Tell us more about your thinking?
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What's behind that? How leaders can
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that's focus on inspiring others, not
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who progress, not make them comply. The coolest, the coolest quote that

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I found that relates to what I'm
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from the author of The Little Prince, and he wrote, if you want

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to build a ship, don't drum
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work to collect wood, but rather
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of the sea. Oh that's so
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I love that. Yeah. So
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task all day long, and the
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you know they want you to do
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you want them to do it doesn't
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But if you can lay out the
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the vision, and help them connect
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how they're going to progress, how
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of pleasure, peace of mind,
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some power. Then they have the
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buy in. Then they're committed right, and then they have even stronger than

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committed commitment. They have conviction that's
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a goal setting book because it didn't
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they realize it's a it's a gold
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it's a gold conviction book because it's
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that leads to action. Going back
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the vision and inspiring people in that
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a chance to go to an event
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it didn't work. It fell flat, And and I look back on it

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it's just so, how can we
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it's automatic. They're making they're making
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bought in. Just because everybody has
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card doesn't mean they're all the same
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continually continue coaches know that. Watch
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making any assumptions. He gets them
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got to keep the the is not
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part of the blood and its it
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realize that it's that you've got to
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to the why, the why,
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got tons of employees that are clocked
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so true. And when I a
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note, when you when you think
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a leader to really really paint the
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up to that big why for them, there's such an opportunity there and and

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going to have meaningful lives, then
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spend at least he says, we
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there, and so the it's he
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it's their responsibility to make that work
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that's it's a very strong stance to
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did assume that kind of a role, the world of work would be a

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very different place. I agree,
I'd like that. I like it too.

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you've embarrassed me publicly. And he
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I said, well, I was
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the way to Australia, and I
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your points, and I would start
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with with what I was reading,
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a crazy woman. Happens all the
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does. Well, let's talk about
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part of my world, as you
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studied for my research and for my
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work, how they how they ascribe
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of Victor Frankel as well. Whenever
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my attention. So then that went. So I want to talk about this

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idea of Victor Frankel and meaning,
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it does get tough. Me.
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power of choice and realizing that,
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to even just accept you know,
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a lot tell me, but I'm
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little bit deeper with you, but
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where where you where you'd like to
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you know, as you know,
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everybody said they most people said they
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actually you know, gave it all
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get to choose the meaning that we
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well that's totally within our control.
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are the artist of that, and
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you that very quickly that when I
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chef about his work, and he
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he cried at least five times during
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just was just a horrible place to
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was never able to be with his
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not. He felt stuck in the
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money and he had to pay you
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trapped, very trapped in that space, had a crappy boss. I was

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always screaming at him, and you
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be. And I ended up of
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his was at the very very bottommost
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Six months later, I came back
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know, want to review results.
You know you saw I want. I

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came up with you, and he
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Atlease, I'm so much better now. I'm way up to conflicted fit in

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my work, and he said,
it's the same. I'm doing the same

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job. I still have the same
crappy boss. I'm still doing the same

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hours. But what's different is I
see my work differently. I see now

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that I can now put my kids
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make. My kids are proud of
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it differently now. I choose to
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how we view it. And you're
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how we how we view the moment
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you're you're absolutely right. And there's
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not Pollyanna, but but choosing what
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options of how to view of a
situations. It's similar to that great believes

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it. Uh Italian movie life is
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I've seen it. Uh yeah,
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continuing to see the contin continuing to
see the positives, continue to see

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the what's what's possible to as as
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M h, I like it.
I like that. That's my space

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too. Okay, well, then
you have a section in your in your

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book too that when you continue this
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how choice as it relates to influence, then choice as it relates to choice

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as it relates to influence. Well, you know that's that's a big thing

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about how you're going to influence yourself
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the different things that you're going to
do adapting style. As far as I'm

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sure you know about the the disc
model I wrote about in there, Yes,

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I saw that, you know,
dominance, influence, stay in his

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conscientiousness. That's a you know,
big thing about choice of how you're going

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to mirror or relate to somebody in
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going to where you're making a bigger
opportunity for them to choose to be influenced

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by you, because it's not it's
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adopt a choice or adopt a goal. It's not an automatic to influence or

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be influenced. Yeah, I can
I completely agree with that. Him.

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and I really like it. It
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you have to take responsibility. And
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show up in a room. Oh
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lot of things that go into how
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experience is going to go a sales
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and it's usually the you know,
the three to five minutes you spend

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right before it of just the do
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for you to be there? You'll
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you know, choosing to focus on
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don't like the word positive, choosing
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possible better than positive because a lot
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they got to get all the way
to positive. You don't have to get

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at the way to positive, just
get to possible. You don't got to

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get out the way to positive back. If you can just say what's possible

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and then think back when other things
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you know, so you definitely how
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like they need lunch money? You
know they are they or you're like,

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you're like, hey, do we
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a flat tire? Did you know
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complaining. Well, that's not somebody
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is when you're out there connecting with
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with a leader trying to connect with
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a prospecting or networking or or business
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alter people's lives. When I say
alter people's lives, I mean you know

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that that they have to want to
choose to be in a relationship with you,

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and they're not going to view that
if they don't think it's going to

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be a positive experience for them.
You know, they're they're gonna gonna run

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metaphorically away and not have any you
know when you want to have another contact.

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You know, I completely understand that
and completely agree the repellent factor and

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some of those things, and that
really kind of brings me to the next

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thing I wanted to talk about,
which is one of my favorite things to

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talk about, motivation and goals.
You talk about this idea of push pull

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and motivation, and I've had other
guests to talk about that too, but

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I really like you the way that
you that you bring it up. But

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you talk about how life can be
pulled by goals and pushed by drives,

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and that great leaders really look at
what their followers are made and what drives

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them. So now that we're talking
about, you know, wanting to be

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attractive, now it's moving on one
to the leadership front here. So how

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do you coach leaders to learn who
their followers really are? You got to

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ask questions, you have to you
have to listen. You have to choose

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to be with them and connect with
them and get to know them as as

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human beings and help help your leaders, you know, help the people that

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report to you do the same thing
all the way down. You got to

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get out of your finger on the
pulse of the emotional pulse of the of

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your organization. There's no there's no
quick way to do that. It's it's

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vital to you know, look people
right in the eye and sincerely be positively

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curious. You know, that's what
you're referring earlier, being an introvert or

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an extrovert. A lot of people
tell me that they, you know,

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if they're an introvert, I'll say, hey, you know, you don't

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worry about or about, you know, trying to be an extrovert. Just

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be curious, Just be interested.
I totally say that line all the time

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to people. Be curious. They're
The world is an amazing place and so

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are the people who inhabit it.
Now, though, there's one thing that

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I have I have discovered or experienced
as a phenomenon, and that is there's

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a wide spectrum of people and how
they tend to help us understand them.

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So we have the people that are
very very verbose about who they are and

440
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what they're up to and what they
want where they're going, and that's easy.

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Then we have at the other end
spectrum the people that are just they're

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very reticent to talk about themselves and
it's just hard to pull things out of

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them. And I know this because
of the coaching that I do as well.

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How do we help the leaders find
or help get into the space of

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that other end of the spectrum.
Well, you gotta build trust, you

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know, and and everybody's going to
have you know, when you talk about

447
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pricess business relationships, I referred to
that as a series of progress based impressions

448
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to go from from net to net. And then there really is when just

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you know, leaders are trying to
build a solid network when they might have

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team members, but those team members
doesn't mean that they're actually bought in on

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the one on one trust and that's
a that's your that's your network. And

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then you know, you got to
have patience and persistence. You you you

453
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you got to realize and that actually
it goes back to that disc model that

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there's you got. The more you
can recognize and empathize and understand that there's,

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uh why this watch of people,
the more you can uh you don't

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hang in there. But then asking
easier questions, you know, this stuff

457
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even just about the family or about
vacations or I mean, it doesn't have

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to be something deep. It could
just be connecting over a hobby. You

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know, there's there's there's some some
easy stuff to to play with that's workable,

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Dean, that is very workable.
Thank you for that. All right,

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Well, let's grab our last break
here. I'm Alice Cortez, your

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host. We've been on the air
with Dean Lindsay. He is a keynote

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speaker with a humorous and engaging approach. He has been hailed as an outstanding

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thought leader on building priceless business relationships
by sales and marketing executives international, and

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is an expert and an award winning
author on influence, connection and goal commitment.

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We'll be right back after the break. Stay with us. Alice Cortez

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catalyst. She designs and delivers professional development,

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leadership and engagement workshops and can bring
her expertise to your organization. She

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will help ignite meaningful development within your
workforce that will increase employee engagement, performance

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and retention. To learn more or
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please visit her at www dot Elise
Cortez dot com. She would welcome

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the opportunity to help get your employees
working on purpose. This is working on

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purpose with Elise Cortez. To reach
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Elise ali Se at Elise Cortez dot
com now back to working on purpose.

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If you're just tuning in, My
guess is Dean Lindsay. He's a keynote

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speaker with a humorous and engaging approach. He has been hailed as an as

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an outstanding thought leader on building priceless
business relationships by sales and Marketing Executives International,

478
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and is an expert and an award
winning author on influence, connection and

479
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goal commitment. We're talking about his
latest book, The Progress Agent Handbook for

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Influence in Connection. I'm your host, Elise Cortez. So for the last

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segment here, Jean, we just
have about a third of the show here

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left, and I want to get
into the connection piece and about being able

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to build powerful networks. So you
distinguish from between meeting someone like in a

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networking situation or being out and about
at the grocery store, whatever it might

485
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be, and a connection that leads
to a professional relationship. So can you

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walk us through how do we move
from meeting someone to building a powerful business

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connection. Well, just the caviat, you can definitely connect with somebody at

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the grocery store. You can meet
them or and or connect with them.

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What I would say in a very
easy way of the different between meeting someone

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and connecting with them is that when
they leave, they they want to reconnect

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with you, and you have a
reason to reconnect with them that they are

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going to be excited about. So
it really is about finding what I call

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the next step. If you're in
a networking situation. A lot of times

494
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people talk about the follow up,
that you need to follow up with everybody

495
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you meet at a networking event,
but you know, you're very limited with

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what you can say and you're follow
up if you didn't have a real conversation,

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you're left with stuff like nice to
meet you, you know, hope

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to see you again soon. That's
so true by you know, because you

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didn't have a real conversation. So
the most important thing to do to make

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a real connection, and it's not
the firm handshake that's important in the eye

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contact and all that stuff, but
it's about being interested in the other person

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and uncovering the next step, the
next thing you can do for that person

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that they will view as progress.
The next thing that when you can reconnect

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with them within twenty four hours and
you deliver that bit of information or that

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00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.280
bit of insight or that other person
they connect with, they go with that

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00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:45.079
person, that person's progress, and
then they're gonna be much more interested in

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00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.719
reconnect with you with the next function
or taking your phone call or be with

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all those type of things. So, in a very nutshell, in a

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small little nutshell, it's about it's
about truly caring about other people's progress and

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finding a way to progress help them
progress. I do. I work a

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lot in this space, you know. I like the connection the prospecting.

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When I'm working with you know,
with with groups on prospecting. It really

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is about, you know, about
connecting with strategic alliances, connecting with prospects,

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and as you as you know from
reading the book, I created what's

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called the Connection Code the four Steps
to Building Priceless Business Relationships because I did

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want, uh, you know,
to be able to provide some form of

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the of the steps and there's there's
there's steps in the books and then each

518
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:37.320
step has you know, many many, many specific tips. But it's those

519
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:44.239
steps, those four steps to building
priceless business relationships that really helps you go

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from from contact to connection, from
net to net and building those priceless business

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relationships great well. One of the
things I like to do in this show,

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Dean, Is I really like to
be able to help listeners already walk

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away with something they can they can
use immediately, And of course you know

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they'll get much more from the actual
book. But let's talk about those and

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so the first one, creating strong
belief in self and services. Would you

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say just a little bit more about
that? That seems fairly obvious on the

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outset, but I think there's a
lot more to it. Well, there

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is a lot more to it.
A lot of people skip totally right over

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that people know they're supposed to network
is so they get out their network and

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they don't They don't really believe that
they have something to offer. They think

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their networking for them when they need
to be focused on networking. They think

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they're connecting for themselves, and they
need to feel like they need to know

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that they're benefiting others by being out
there. You know. One of the

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things that I thought was interesting is
I was reading your book Is I thought

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about it as you know, so
you talk about that people need to look

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for and find what's important and meaningful
to them about the products and services they

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provide in order to be effective.
Completely agree, and I thought immediately went

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in my minding to some of the
people that I know of who completely fall

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into that category from You're like,
yeah, those people they nail at that.

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I got that that they're so set
in in that space. What about

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those moments when we have a crisis
of faith in ourselves? Well to go

542
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about you know, the number one
person who should be reading any testimonial letters

543
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.880
you've ever gotten, as you those
aren't things just to share with your prospect.

544
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If you ever have a bad thing, you know it starts to go

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south, I would call up a
client that you know really thinks you rock

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and share that information with them.
And you know, they say, fake

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it till you make it. I'm
not. I'm not a big fan of

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fake it till you make it.
I think you can do that in the

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short term, but I think I
see, if it's broke, fix it.

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If you don't. If you don't
think you got game, then get

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00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.199
game, you know, go get
another you know, get another you know,

552
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.280
pass another course or or or you
know, move to a new building,

553
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or mow the lawn, or lose
twenty pounds, do something that that

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that's going to help you feel like
you have game, because that's what has

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to. You have to have that
strong If we want others to trust us

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00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:52.960
and be jazzed about being around us, we have to test ourselves and be

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jazzed about being ourselves. Yes,
completely agree. And I think part of

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what I wanted to talk about there
is I think it's important for our listeners

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to understand that, you know,
we're all human beings. We have an

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array of beautiful emotions that that color
our lives and I and and give us

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a means to really get access to
the world. And sometimes you know,

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we are in those those valleys,
and so I think it's important to be

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able to have something out the ready
luck you just gave us to help us

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get out of that valley. Okay, reach out to a testimonial, reach

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out to someone who we know believes
in us. That's important. Yeah,

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00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.960
go for a walk, drink some
water, take do some stretch and you

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know, do some JP. I'm
big into the deep breathing and stuff.

568
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You know, those all all that
stuff can can can help you kind of

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remain centered. But you are absolutely
right at least we are. We are

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not robots. We are human beings
and we have you know, every the

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whole, the whole gallant of emotions
and they're all the valid in play.

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And I think I think we moved
sometimes. I think we just try to

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move too fast and push ourselves too
much, and we put we put way

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too much pressure on ourselves. Well, and like I like to talk about

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DNA my space of really cultivating passion
and inspiration in your life in order to

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be able to really start to get
access to your purpose and live it.

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It means that you need to pay
attention to the beauty and wonder of the

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world around you. Notice it,
love it, embrace it. And that

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does take some effort to do that, absolutely, but it's a big,

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00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.800
big payoff. So I'm with you
on that well, And so that gets

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us to the next thing I want
to talk about, and that's this whole

582
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idea of fulfillment. So I completely
agree that it is critical to to fulfillment

583
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in life as well as success in
business, to continue making new connections.

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That's part of what makes the world
go around. And you've got a section

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where you recommend several good places to
cultivate connections, which I thought was very

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useful. Would you share a few
of those locations or places? Well,

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yes, Now they are dependent on
what your goals are, you know,

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the future you want to yeah is
but you know there's there's everything from from

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your from your chambers of commerce to
you know, your your referral groups and

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networking groups. There's I like,
I really like the hobbies that people are

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already involved in. So you know, there's meet up is a big thing

592
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now where whatever hobby you have,
there's other people that are that are interested

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in that that as well, and
and they and they know people and it's

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really the connection that you want.
You so you have a if you're into

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kayaking, then I'd get into a
kayaking group. You know, you know,

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golf, your churches, I mean
there's that's the reason that you know

597
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that your association, state and national
association, uh, you know, yearly

598
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events and monthly events. The thing
that I try to share also is not

599
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only to go to those, but
once you find two or three, you

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need to get consistently go to them
and then uh, you know, even

601
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take a two point o version of
that, get active and you know,

602
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.039
get on the board or or chair
committee and and you know show you put

603
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.840
yourself out there as a as a
giver and a leader. I completely agree

604
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with that too, Dean. I
have been involved in many organizations and I

605
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.599
didn't do it for the reason for
business development, but that is exactly what

606
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.400
happened. Was I would be out
and about I would be doing business on

607
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.880
behalf of this organization, giving of
my time, and naturally what happens is

608
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.320
you put yourself in the space of
people who might be able to use your

609
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.760
product or service, and then you
have a relationship in you're there and I

610
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.920
wouldn't otherwise have had a reason to
meet these people. Oh yeah, no,

611
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it is true now that you know, if I could get away with

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your saying how to build priceless relationships, I would have because that's really we're

613
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talking talking about. With the word
business actually helps. You're trying to sell

614
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a book, but that's what you're
really talking about, is that there's so

615
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many different benefits, much bigger.
In the book, I lay out the

616
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top ten benefit benefits of connection,
and only number ten is more sales,

617
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Number ones, friendship and support.
You know, this isn't quite related to

618
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what you just said there, but
this is where my mind when when we've

619
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been talking about this idea of priceless
connections and such, when I was working

620
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for Insignium. Than Rosenberg, one
of the two founding partners, would would

621
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often say that if you if you
really want to make a difference in life,

622
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you've got to be good at sales, which means at its core,

623
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:12.760
you've got to be good at relationships. And I do want to make a

624
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difference in this world. And and
so I have this whole thing where every

625
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:19.960
day I read, write and sell, read, write and sell. And

626
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.239
and so what I mean by that
is the selling part is the reaching out

627
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working on relationship stuff. And I
really try to make that part of my

628
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every day. Yeah. Well,
the words sales and I'm I know I

629
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write at this in the book.
The word sales comes from the Scandinavian root

630
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.760
word meaning to serve, and that's
exactly what when you're friends with somebody,

631
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:45.320
you're you're serving them and they're serving
you. So you know, it's it's

632
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:52.639
it's all the backscratch boogie. I
love that. Well, speaking of that,

633
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.480
You've got a whole section of the
book on humor, and you are

634
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.639
known for your your humorist style.
Why do you think humor is so important

635
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:05.239
insiness and business relationships? I think, well, I mean, i'm I'm,

636
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.159
I'm glad it is, because I
would I would be so bored without

637
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:14.519
it. But I think maybe it's
disarming. I think maybe it's I think

638
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:16.960
maybe it's a little a little bit
of risky maybe sometimes to be you know,

639
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.280
you know, the to throw it
out there. I think it's I

640
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.840
think it's universal. I think also, hey, you know here's something else.

641
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:30.079
Laughter, that's pain avoidance, that's
pleasure. You see. I mean

642
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.320
you roll right back to the six
p's right, you know. So,

643
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.760
so it's you know, I don't
overthink it. I can get it.

644
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:42.039
I overthink a lot of stuff,
but I don't overthink humor. I just

645
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.960
I just do it. Yeah,
I think it's really important too. I

646
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.079
I it's I've thought about this a
bit for myself. I tend to be

647
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.440
more serious than not, but I
like humor. I use humor, So

648
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:58.039
it's kind of a I hope there's
a balance there. But I think humor

649
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.199
is essential. Uh. Yes,
it is essential for me. You know,

650
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:06.480
there's been if one of the first
things that go out the window if

651
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.599
I'm if I am having a down
day and having to give a presentation is

652
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.239
my I mean I can still do
maybe some of the bits, but nothing's

653
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.719
coming off the cuff, and it's
a it's not it's no fun for anybody,

654
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.679
you know, It's it's only it's
only when I'm when I get off

655
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:22.559
the stage, you give me what, you know. Some of that I

656
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.480
don't remember. And I've just made
that, you know. It's just a

657
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:29.239
funny little bit that just popped in
my you know, popped in my head.

658
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.119
So and I love that too.
Watching other people. I mean,

659
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:36.760
I'm a huge fan of student of
of humor. I've I've spent a lot

660
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.159
of time, you know, studying
the you know, from Jonathan Winters to

661
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:45.119
Robin Williams to Stephen Colbert, David
Letterman to Gratcha Marks, you know,

662
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:52.920
Charlie Chaplin. I'm I'm you know, that's that's my baileywig Well along those

663
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:53.719
lines, one are the other questions
I want to ask you in this is

664
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:57.559
just purely selfish, deem, but
I want to know what it is about

665
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:04.320
your work that you find meaningful.
What do I find meaningful? I do

666
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:13.239
like to take timeless principles and offer
my fresh way of helping people progress,

667
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.679
help them turn the light bulbs on. There's nothing I'm saying. I mean,

668
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.880
the six piece of progress or are
unique. But I like self expression

669
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.880
and helpful self expression, I'd say, yeah, I think I guess helpful

670
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:29.239
self expression I find quite meaningful.
I think it's I think it's interesting to

671
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:34.639
know that I'm making a you know, positive difference in some people's lives.

672
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.599
And you know, I can't see
everybody who's ever seen me do something,

673
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.239
but I do like it when people, you know, gets to circle back

674
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:46.440
around to the two you know,
you saw me do something ten twelve years

675
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:51.679
ago, and you know it helps
you impress a room, you know,

676
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.360
or help you build some relationship with
that. That's that's good stuff, you

677
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:59.320
know, That's yeah, it was
good stuff. And you know, making

678
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.119
a difference in people lives, you
bet, I'm I'm in for that all

679
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:06.199
day. And come back to the
laughter even I mean, they're making somebody

680
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.079
laugh, that's it. That's that's
that's good too. I'm like, you

681
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:15.760
know, that's that that they weren't
laughing before I showed up. All right,

682
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.840
So we're almost at a time already, Dean, so final pearls of

683
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.519
wisdom and say, like thirty seconds
or so, what would you like to

684
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:27.000
leave our listeners with today? It's
on the back of the book, Change

685
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.199
is inevitable, Progress is a choice. Progress is a step forward. Take

686
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:36.679
today's step, and then also,
would you also share change progress is subjective.

687
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.039
You're the one who decides what progress
is. No one else can tell

688
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:44.719
you what progress means for you.
That is so true, Dean. Wow,

689
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:46.920
Well, thank you and I'm honored
that I got the first blush at

690
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:51.280
your book and we're sharing it here
Live on Working on Purpose. Thank you

691
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:52.880
so much for being our guest and
sharing your heart, your soul, your

692
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.360
wisdom, and your humor that you
are so welcome to least it was a

693
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.159
joy. Do you want to learn
more about Dean's or any of his books,

694
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:05.760
what he talks about join visit his
website. It's Dean Lindsey dot com.

695
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:10.199
So D E A N L I. D Say dot com Dean Lindsay

696
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.679
dot com. If you miss last
week's program, you can always catch if

697
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:16.119
you record a podcast. We were
on the Ear with Dan Schabel. He's

698
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a New York Times bestselling author,
partner and research director at Future Workplace,

699
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.079
and the founder of both Millennial Branding
and Workplace Trends dot com. We talked

700
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about his latest book, Back to
Human, How Great Leaders Create Connection in

701
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:31.519
the Age of Isolation. Next week, we'll be enjoying a special Christmas Honekah

702
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:37.760
celebration conversation with Sherry Schwartz, who
is Catholic and celebrates Christmas alongside her Jewish

703
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.159
husband, who celebrates Hanaka. We'll
be talking about the joy of her life

704
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.400
and her work, as well as
her latest book about her beloved dog see

705
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:45.559
you there. Remember that work is
at least a third of her life,

706
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:52.039
So let's work on purpose. Well
you hope you've enjoyed this week's program.

707
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Be sure to tune in to Working
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708
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each week on the Voice America Empowerment
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life's purpose at work.