Planksip: A Bold New Venture in Digital Publishing

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

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People ache for meaning and purpose at
work, to contribute their talents passionately

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and know their lives really matter.
They crave being part of an organization that

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inspires them and helps them grow into
realizing their highest potential business can be such

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a force for good in the world, elevating humanity. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want working

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on purpose. Now Here is your
host, doctor Elise Cortez. Hi there,

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welcome back to the Working and Purpose
Program. Thanks for joining again this

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week on your host, doctor Elis
Cortes from Denver, where I'm on the

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road delivering talks for Leadership conference this
week. It's very excited to be on

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the road again. Dallas is my
normal home base. If you don't know

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me yet, I'm a management consultant
specialized and in meaning and purpose, organizational

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logo therapists, inspirational speaker, social
scientists, and author. I help come

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needs to discover and articulate their purpose, to thread it through their culture and

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operations, and working organizations to develop
inspirational leaders who create cultures where people actually

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want to come to work and do
their best, and I provide programs like

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the Grab your Gusto that enable individual
team members to discover and at least their

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passion and purpose at work to catalyze
fulfillment, engagement, end productivity. You

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learn more about me and how we
can work together at at least Cortez dot

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Today is Daniel Sanderson, the creator and

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founder of planksip, a media platform
our aspiring writers and thought leaders we'll be

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talking about the purpose of plank Set, how it was born, it's vision

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and mission. He joins today from
Vancouver Island, British Columbia. Daniel,

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welcome to Working on Purpose. Well, thank you for having men a lease.

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It's a pleasure. Thank you.
It's been so great to get to

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know you over the last few weeks
and see what you've been up to and

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what you've been pouring yourself into.
So I'm glad to get to share that

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with listeners across the globe. We
talk a lot on this show, Daniel,

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about how can we advance the conversation
and creating workplaces in a world where

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people actually want to come to work
and do their best, and leaders inspire

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people to their greatness and we do
business that betters the world. And it

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seems to me that you're pulling that
tied along for us. Yeah, I

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really I had a background in entrepreneurship. In fact, I've been an entrepreneur

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my whole adult life, and I
think I had a shift right around my

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mid thirties and I wanted to get
into a more arts or artistic humanities that

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type of lifestyle, and I created
a company around around that an entire media

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outlet around around that kind of shift. You know, Daniel's going to say

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something that you probably already know.
But listeners and viewers, this is something

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for you to pay attention to.
Daniel said something important about the mid thirties.

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What I've learned as a social scientist
is that something happens for a lot

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of us in our mid thirties where
things start to get itchy inside. We

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start looking for something else. So
pay attention. If you're starting to feel

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that itch, listen to it.
Look at Daniel's done by scratching that itch.

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So I know you've done various things
across your life. I wanted to

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really dig first into how planks it
began. I know it began as a

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blog, and so first let's talk
about what was your idea behind it when

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you launched it as a blog.
What were you trying to accomplish? Well,

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there's still a lot of remnants of
uh, you know, thousands of

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articles from myself and my I guess
unique quirkiness of using it is a blog

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and then graduating it into something you
know, much more substantive. So in

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a way, I also encourage people
to go and have a look delve into

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the actual writing and see that it's
a it's an expression largely with its its

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roots in in my love and exploration
of of you know, famous intellectuals of

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our past, and philosophy and psychology
and neuroscience. Right, So it's it's

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it's full of those kind of nuggets. But I guess your question, sorry

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about the about moving it from the
blog, Well, I think it's just

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a natural state of growth. You
know, there's there's a point where you

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any artist or writer or lifelong learner
for that matter, is going to study

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and learn and keep learning. But
eventually, and I'd love to hear your

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thoughts on this, is that there's
a cognitive fall off and you start to

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forget some of the stuff you you
started to learn in the earlier part of

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your learning journey. And when that
started to happen, I found that I

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really just like I'm a doer.
So I said, like, we've got

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to do something with this knowledge.
We have to you know, share it

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to a wider audience. We have
to bring people in and build something scalable

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to you know, compete with a
lot of distractions out there, you know

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what I mean. I do a
couple things on that Daniel. So,

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yeah, we do lose, we
lose knowledge, We lose what we learned

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a long time ago. In fact, just quickly to presences. Last week

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on the show, we had Debrah
Westfall on the show, and she wrote

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a book called Convergence. Among other
things, what we talked about is she

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lays out that human knowledge has advanced
so much recently that it's it's really impossible

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to keep up with. She said
that by nineteen hundred we were doubling our

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knowledge every century. By World War
two we were doubling every every twenty five

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years. Now we doubled every thirteen
months. So well, we talked about

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also in part was the need to
get rid of some of the stuff that

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we don't need anymore or want anymore, to make room for what we do

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want to keep. But that also
means that we need to be able to

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remember those things that we do want
to keep and learn. So that's the

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first point. The second thing that
I think is really interesting about what you're

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doing as as a person who has
two liberal arts degrees, one bachelor's one

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masters, I really believe in liberal
studies and certainly philosophy, and I don't

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know how much we're teaching that in
school today, so that you're giving a

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platform for people to continue to muse
on that, to write about that,

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to share on that, I think
is really spectacular. Yeah, well said,

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that's really what we're we're all about. Yeah. So you know,

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of course, part of the reason
I wanted to have you on the show

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is because you you're you're a great
example of Hey, this is what I

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love. Let me go find a
way to make it work in the world.

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Let me go see who wants to
come play with me? Right?

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And how great is that? And
I you know, this notion of scaling

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so so important. And then and
then we want to go back to you

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are a delightfully unusual person in my
mind, Daniel, because of that mind

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of yours, you're creative, you
think differently, You're willing to step on

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the edge, to the point even
that you call your organization plank SIP.

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So you told me before about where
that came from, but share that what's

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behind the name plank SIP. So
when you think of the word plank,

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we have that as a to civilize
the organic platform, the organic nature of

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the content we create. I don't
have sponsors on the site or advertising it's

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it's a really amazing writing experience as
well as a reading experience. So that

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was really important is that we didn't
have that corporate poll. And so a

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lot of what we do in terms
of marketing is really very old fashioned word

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of mouth relationships and trying to stay
away from a business model that kind of

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cannibalizes itself. Right. If you
get into that paid advertising, sure it

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can, you know, work,
but you're kind of feeding the monster that's

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kind of eating us alive in a
way. Without really getting into the I

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was going to ask you, should
we get into environment or should I leave?

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Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, and
I'll tell you why, but keep

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going. Yeah, I mean,
because it's it's very central to I think,

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uh, you know, I'm not
speaking for all the members of plank

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Set, but it's something that I
constantly advocate for. And in America it's

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very divided, actually all over the
world, it's very divided in terms of

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liberals and conservatives. Right. Conservative
mentality is, you know, let's let's

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make more sensible decisions based on evidence, right, and you know, the

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liberals are trying to be more proactive
with you know, where they think it's

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going. I mean, that'd be
a good characterization to be very kind to

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both sides, right, And I
would say that you know, you you

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still need to have that sense that
that sense of practicality, but really understand

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the gravity of the situation and how
much we as a society have to mobilize

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and quickly change and adapt. And
so the model of PLANK SIP was designed

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specifically for that. Right. So
plank being the organic platform and SIP being

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how we want to change what consumption
means. Right, So you interact with

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community on a website in a virtual
environment, and we want people to consume

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that experience as opposed to you know, extra shoes and disposables or you know,

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ridiculous fashion or whatever kind of things
are kind of just wasteful, right,

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m Okay, So I'm I'm gonna
respond to the environment thing, and

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then I have to ask you another
question here that's gurgling up for me.

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So environment is very important. I
grew up in Oregon, which is very

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much a tree hugging, granola eating
state, and then I in my mid

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twenties moved to Spain and then to
Brazil. When I was in Brazil,

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I got the opportunity to be part
of the Rio Earth Summit in nineteen ninety

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two, and I saw people from
around the world come together to talk about

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the importance of climate and dealing with
it and caring for it stewarding it.

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So then I got inspired. When
I was doing my masters, which was

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with it was liberal studies with a
focus on international relations with South America,

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I focused my thesis on the socio
political and economic factors contributing to the Amazonian

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deforestation. Now today, I am
very much a conscious capitalist. So you

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know, when you look at conscious
capitalist and one of the things, one

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of the stakeholders is the environment.
So you know, I'm very very attuned

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to the notion that you know,
we need the planet will likely go on

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without us, will be well extinct
well before the planet does. So I'm

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very aware of what how I'm living
and how the I'm I'm healthy and breathing

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because of the environment I'm living in. So in the importance of stuparding that.

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So, yes, the environment is
important. Yeah, we can agree

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on that. Yeah. Yeah.
And so then the next thing I had

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to ask you when you were when
you were talking, it seems to me

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and I don't know if you would
agree with this, but I don't know

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to what extent you feel that playing
SIP is an expression of your purpose in

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the world. I wanted to you
did you bring that? You brought that

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up earlier, and I did want
to. I had an idea of elaborating

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on the purpose aspect of it,
because you've mentioned, you know, isn't

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it great, you know, doing
what you love or taking something that you

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love and then translating it and wholeheartedly
I do. I do advocate for that,

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I really do. However, i'd
you know, I'd want to urge

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the listeners to also be aware of
the responsibility in that kind of a decision.

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Okay, So what I mean by
that is that I think with the

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privilege of doing something that you love, I think you have to really understand

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what's the possible benefit or good that
it can do a community, right,

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And if you're not really thinking of
that, if the if the passion play

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is I'd really like to do this, but it really only just you know,

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benefits me and isolation. At least
be aware of that, right,

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Because sometimes passions have a way of
changing or morphing or moving and shifting over

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time. And I took this direction
as a passion because I know all of

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the benefit that we've done so far, and I know all the possibilities of

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benefit that it can offer in the
future. And so it ends up being

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not only the passion that I wanted
to pursue, but so much more right,

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so much more good and benefit could
come out of it as it grows.

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Daniel, Now we're getting into the
great juice and meat of a conversation

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for me anyway. So yes,
listeners and viewers, if I can distinguish

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a couple of terms here that I
think are really important to the conversation we're

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having. So passion is from my
parlance, and what might I subscribe as

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a local therapist to the idea that
passion is really one of our sources of

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meaning. It's connected to our creation. What do we create from ourselves?

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Yes, in many ways it's it's
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ourselves. Only does things? Can
things become a purpose an expression of purpose

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when we are in service of other
people? Only otherwise it doesn't count as

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purpose. And that's that's courtesy of
Aaron Hurst and many other people that that

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research purpose. And so generally speaking, if you subscribe to what Hurst says

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and I generally do is that for
something to qualify as purpose, you will

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be personally growing in the in the
in the pursuit of giving this, you

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will be generally creating a community somehow
and in the expression of this, and

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you will always be serving other people. So I think what you did there,

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Daniel was so important to distinguish passion
from purpose. They're not the same.

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Okay. Interesting, Can I ask
you a philosophical question always you know

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I do this constantly all that,
Yes, I know that's bring it.

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So, So the research that you're
talking about is it is? Would you

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say that it's it's fundamentally grounded in
uh? In a Christian way of thinking.

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No, I wouldn't say that,
and I don't think so, And

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at least I'm not aware that it
is. My research has really I've done

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research from you know, from the
advantage point of Victor Frankel, which who

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was I think is a Jewish man, and not that he put layers it

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over into into his talxic research,
but but really from the from the aspect

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of really what's coming, you know, what's burdling up inside of you that

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needs to be expressed into the world. It doesn't matter what your faith is,

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you know, what what your what
your level of education is, your

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cultured, what language you speak.
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an anthology of twenty five women where
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to share how they discover their purpose
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they're from all walks of life,
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a Victor Frankel. He was the

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he's got a very unique perspective on
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I'm at least Cortez, your host.

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to working on Purpose. Before we
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passion and elevate Cause. It's on
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readers to their passion and purpose and
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My guest is Daniel Sanderson. He's
the founder of PLANKSIP. He joins it

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So, Daniel, we were talking
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shared enjoyed philosopher's doctor Victor Frankel.
Yes, he was a medical doctor as

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well as a neuroscientist, and he
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camps. He went into the camps
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about the importance of meaning in life
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they took it away from him and
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there, and he left fully convinced. Yes, meaning is where it's at.

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concern in life, This is our
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to live. And that's why he
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I actually am just finishing a diplomat
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a master's program in the field,
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and you probably would enjoy reading it. Maybe at some point I'll share it

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with you if you if you ask
and you are so interested, I am.

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I thought you might be. Yes, yes, And so it's it's

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philosophy, right, and and so
one of the other things that I was

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thinking about when I was thinking about
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it since the pandemic. It's eighteen
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So what have you noticed about the
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become more rich if they altered direction
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want to I want to answer that, but I also want to comment on

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something because you really frame that really
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thinking. I think it's important that
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intellectual best, and I mean the
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the things that you can do is
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it's an essay or a poem.
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in a way that's you know,
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something like that. Right, And
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really good because you're you're going through
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taking something, you're putting it in
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your life's work. And it was
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that, I was thinking to myself, how could I connect you with some

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of the academic world. Right?
We have somebody that, uh, you

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as a radical contient. And so
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entries today. Uh, he just
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dignity, and so he gives a
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just reading some of his work.
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do that? And I think,
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two way sort of thing. You've
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what was that? What was it? And yes, I like wh I

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quite like the idea of the collision
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funny way to make that happen sounds
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more they have more availability. And
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this false start or like ramp the
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they have the time to do it. And this is starting to kind of

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prove you know that there's going to
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to be a market for people who
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don't want to just passively scroll,
you know what I mean? Right,

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we know what this finger roll is, right, and this passively looking at

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stuff, and then it's what are
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day, what are you doing?
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things that has really struck me about
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now, and listeners and viewers get
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say. He says, I want
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really want to do on plank sip. How cool is that to be able

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to be able to write to invite
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do? Come do it here with
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and I wish I could be open
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seem to make some somehow make something
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and it doesn't really show in the
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we're still working with her, you
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engaging in that content and that content
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sometimes we do it for free and
exchange that you know, they're going to

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contribute some stuff to our site because
let's face it, it's tough out there

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that's the case, maybe they have
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putting their very best on the site. Does that do it? It builds

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them part of the really cool thing
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just a natural thing to do.
There's sites, you know, we all

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visit them and there's a somebody who
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at the bottom of the article and
there's no information about out them,

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you know, like Susie Smith,
right, and so then you can consult

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the Google Oracle and type in Susie
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know, you're just three steps away
where on planks. If they have the

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article, they click on it,
they can go to your site, they

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can go to your Patreon page.
I'm like, I want to promote you.

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I don't want to hide you in
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a party and tell you that you
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right, you know you know what
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create an environment that mimics the way
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with almost every member, right,
and as soon as it gets too busy

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where I can't do that, then
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people are listening like how does how
does this work here? So? And

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how can I get involved? So
this is a membership model, write a

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subscription model, right, so when
people subscribe, what do they get?

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now today's sponsor is really but but yeah,

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it's the part of like how do
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make it bigger? And so we
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really more than a patronage. It's
the membership allows us to work with you

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in your own unique way. And
I remember fighting and I continue to fight

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for this tooth and nail. It's
like, why don't you offer five different

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levels and offer video creation or offer
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your I go no, we can
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meet with them and find out what's
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really great, then we can spend
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it. Right, If your writing
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we can't really do anything with it, and we got a tutor to help

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you out, right, we got
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to. We want to grow with
people. You know, and good ideas

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don't always come out grammatically correct,
So it doesn't mean it's not a good

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idea, right, right, We
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to polish it and develop it and
maybe get them thinking and refining their ideas,

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and then what do they do.
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development that's completely intellectual and hopefully felt
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being part of a community. So
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which I completely agree with, is
that writing helps you think, or

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writing actually is in some ways a
way of thinking, right, certainly a

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way of developing your thoughts, which
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as I think I told you before
we got on air that I have another

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four or five books planned as it
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as a way to continue to cultivate
my purpose, further my person, further

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express my purpose so that can be
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frankly, it just feels good to
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and being and expressing and connecting.
And it's hard work, right, It's

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hard work, and you can't do
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I'm just going to bring back,
bring back frankly here and say, you

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know, in your leisure time,
have something by your nightstand and when you

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want screen like, no more screen
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know, when do you find time
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a book like that and then you
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sit there and read a book and
just enjoy it because you'll get the best

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ideas when you're creative and you're just
thinking about you know, I know there's

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the purpose overlay, but sometimes just
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was this guy so amazing? You
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actually think like this? What would
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now, you've got five books coming
out, and you know what it takes

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as the author to say I'm going
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right, and so then you can
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guess like that creative empathy. You
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would I be in to put this
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in a Nazi camp, right.
I mean, I'm not laughing at it

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because it's funny. I'm just like, this is so ridiculous. Then such

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amazing work came out of that,
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point in human history, right,
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completely agree with you having the time
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where you can let just let the
moment carry you and just see what's what's

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whispering to you that says that's trying
to come out? Or what's what do

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you start to see that's that's actually
you know, you couldn't see when you

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What I find in my work is
that people don't know who they are and

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they don't know what their purpose is
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in life that they can't hear that
little whisper that's trying to tell them just

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really who they are in the world
and what they can what gifts they can

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offer. And that's the second piece
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I just started working with the new
leader today. When she told me

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that, she said, I keep
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hold of me. I'm like,
oh my gosh, that's what we're going

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to work on. We need you
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be able to connect to your creativity, to connect to your passions, to

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connect to that voice, and instead
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which also now speaks unless you want
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want to hear what you mean by
reimagined media who talk about planks of as

408
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being reimagined, So if you want
to address that, or if you want

409
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to respond to what I just said, but definitely wants to address this reimagined

410
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:08.720
media thing too. Yeah, so
the reimagined media. I have a goal.

411
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I'm very direct with this with people, as I say, I have

412
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a goal of ten thousand paying members
I call them. I was inspired by

413
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them being Athenians. Right back in
the ancient Greek polis, they would have

414
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they would have I think at the
height they would have ten thousand. They

415
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had ten thousand voters in that democracy, right, And so I want to

416
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have ten thousand a media group that's
ten thousand strong, and every member is

417
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a part of that media group at
plank zip dot Press, So we're you

418
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know, truth seekers in that regard, right. So what I want to

419
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:55.240
see with that ten thousand is imagine
a whole bunch of really thoughtful people,

420
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.960
talented people, men and women,
and you know, even people seventeen myself

421
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.440
likes to WRITI sixteen years old.
But anyways, we have these people that

422
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.079
all kind of descend on a topic, okay, like a swarm, something

423
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:15.440
that's really important. They really blast
through that cultural uh like something it's so

424
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.039
hard to get through that that you
know, that that cultural veil, right,

425
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.079
you know what I mean. So
we want to come at that really

426
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:26.240
hard, and especially being a small
media outlet, we have to be that

427
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.119
way. But the way I envision
it is that the media world is needing

428
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:37.119
a change, right, this antiquated
sort of development or natural progression from a

429
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.400
newspaper, right, it's very much
you know, passive people come, they

430
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.839
watch, they read, they do. You know, it's a very passive

431
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:49.119
sort of thing. And so plank
Ship's very engaging, engaging in a way

432
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:53.880
that's meaningful. So it has tremendous
possibility for scalability, and I don't want

433
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:59.000
it to be all plank Ship.
I want other media outlets to freely take

434
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:02.279
it do it because it will make
the world a better place. And so

435
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:07.160
that's kind of what I mean,
you know, with with you know,

436
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:12.119
the scalability and you know, driving
purpose as part of the scale. M

437
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.960
I'll comment more on that, Daniel, but let's let's grab our last break.

438
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.039
I'm your host, doctor Lease Cortez. We're going there with Daniel Sanderson,

439
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.039
who was the creator and founder of
planksip. We're talking more about how

440
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.519
the platform works. After Rick,
we're needing more of the academic elements of

441
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.880
it. Stay with us. We'll
be right back. Doctor Release Cortez is

442
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:34.839
a management consultant specializing in meaning and
purpose and inspirational speaker and author. She

443
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:40.880
helps companies visioneer for greater purpose among
stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning

444
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:47.640
infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance
and commitment within the workforce. To learn

445
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.680
more or to invite a Lease to
speak to your organization, please visit her

446
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.720
at a lease Cortez dot com.
Let's talk about how to get your employees

447
00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:07.759
working on purpose. This is Working
on Purpose with doctor Elise Cortez. To

448
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:12.160
reach our program today or open a
conversation with Elise, send an email to

449
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:19.720
Elise ali se at Elise Cortez dot
com. Now back to working on Purpose.

450
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.920
Thank for stating with us, and
welcome back to Working on Purpose.

451
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.160
I wanted to make an announce before
we get back to the program here.

452
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:28.440
I mentioned with Daniel before we started
that I have another book coming out,

453
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.680
and that's the anthology. It's called
Passionately Striving and Why. And this is

454
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.920
a collection of stories from twenty five
women from around the world that I recruited

455
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.839
to share the intimate details of how
they've discovered their purpose and how they're serving

456
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.880
from it today. And I am
so proud of it I could just bust.

457
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.279
Really, I mean, talk about
a pandemic birth. This is what

458
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.279
we've been doing. So that's coming
out. It's actually now on Amazon.

459
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:51.720
It was released August eighteenth. I
also want to say too that I'm next

460
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.519
now trolling the world for men for
my next anthology who have discovered their purpose

461
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.480
and are serving from it and want
to share their stories. So if you

462
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.119
have one and you know a man
who's worked in purpose and wants to tell

463
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.240
it, get a hold of me
at Elise at least Cortez dot com.

464
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.039
If you're just joining us. My
guest is Daniel Sanderson. He's the founder

465
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.440
of plank Zip. He joined today
from Vancouver Island, British Columbia. I'm

466
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.039
your host, Doctor Elise Cortez.
So I promised Daniel that I wanted to

467
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.519
respond to your last comment, and
that is another reason I wanted to have

468
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:21.880
you on the show, is that
you exemplify a forward reaching human being,

469
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:23.760
which is what I think we desperately
need, certainly in the world of business

470
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.840
and how it is that we work. So you said before that you wanted

471
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.079
other media to join you and even
take your stuff. I had Paul Skinner

472
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.840
on my radio show a couple of
years ago, who has now become a

473
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.119
dear friend of mine, and I
and mine respect him. He wrote a

474
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:43.119
book called Collaborative Advantage, So what
you're talking about doing would go against the

475
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.079
grain of most people that would say, wait a minut, aren't they of

476
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.119
your competitors, And here you are
collaborating opening the kimono with them? And

477
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.320
so again I think that showcase is
a totally new frontier that I want our

478
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.119
listeners and viewers across the world to
entertain for themselves and consider how they can

479
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.719
apply what you're doing to their world, to their business, to their lives,

480
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:04.800
their careers. Yeah. Quite simply
the values and the content at least,

481
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.159
that's what It's not the system.
It's the value of the content.

482
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.920
And someone could take my system.
It's not a system. I don't even

483
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.679
really like calling a system. But
you know, take take that model.

484
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:22.000
But remember you got to create good
content and that's your content, that's anybody's

485
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.840
content. Just make it more engaging
for people, right, And that's how

486
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.400
do I How do I monetize that? You just you just do it.

487
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.079
You know what you're reminding me of? Gosh I hope I remember the name

488
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:40.159
you find now you can help me. The the great well known band in

489
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.599
the eighties and there was a movie
made about them. I'm losing this here

490
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.800
just a second, here, but
he they were their music was so well

491
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:55.599
known, and the lead singer would
would sometimes start and engage with big crowd

492
00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:00.199
and he would play. He'd say, come play with me and say ay,

493
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:05.360
and the crowd would come back,
Hey, who's that? Who?

494
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.760
What? What? What? What
group was that that saying like that?

495
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:12.119
Listeners, viewers tell him? Help
me out? So little what? Okay,

496
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.360
I can't give this up. We
have to because we have to make

497
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.039
this a competition. Okay, you
know how I roll? Okay, So

498
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:23.159
Doctor Lee's Cortez is going to uh
donate, Okay, roll with me.

499
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:29.920
I'm making this up, all right. Fifty dollars too. Whoever is the

500
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:32.440
first to say what that song is? And what was it? Again?

501
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:37.280
Well, here's what I wanted.
I want you so that the singer sings

502
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.639
to the crowd hey, and the
crowd comes back with hey, and uh,

503
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.119
this is what I want to know, listeners, is what's the name

504
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.599
of the band? What's the name
of the group that that does that?

505
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.719
And who's the lead singer? They
made a movie about it, and probably

506
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.800
when we hang up on afterwards,
I'll remember it. But listeners and viewers,

507
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.800
it's on you, all right.
Fifty bucks I'll i'm you gotta throw

508
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.559
in a book. You gotta throw
it, and then I'll throw in a

509
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.159
book. Yeah yeah, yeah,
you put like a fifty dollars bill inside

510
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.000
the book. That's awesome. Okay, So it just keeps getting better all

511
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.920
the time. All right, all
right, listeners, viewers, help me,

512
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:10.960
help me out, help a sister
out. Okay, Blue Rhapsody,

513
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.320
the name of the film was called
Blue Rhapsody. What what group were they?

514
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.280
Were they showcasing anyway? Okay,
So now what I want to talk

515
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.280
about. I didn't know. I
didn't know this until you mentioned this to

516
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:27.559
me of the day. But what
does this abyss abyssil abyssiness. Yeah,

517
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.199
I love the idea of having an
academy. Can I tell you I wanted

518
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.119
to do something with an academy and
it somehow? What is it? Well,

519
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:38.000
the abusil Academy. It's going to
be this this educational platform where you

520
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:44.000
can take courses, right, so, courses from the classics, and so

521
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:49.840
you want to yeah, like an
old classical education, right you want to

522
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.519
you want to read the classics and
spend some time, you know, and

523
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:59.920
some of the most important literature and
philosophy of humanity. Then you want to

524
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.639
you want to sign up for a
course at the Abyssle Academy. Right,

525
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:08.840
not abysmal, right, abysmal and
okay, yeah, it's a term that

526
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:16.079
came from Martin Heideger actually and the
philosopher. Yes, yeah, so so

527
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:20.920
yeah, you know that's going to
be coming out soon, probably in twenty

528
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.440
twenty two. I again, I
really appreciate. I'm one of those people

529
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.960
who I remember, you'll laugh at
me years ago. I still have the

530
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:32.199
cassette tapes. I had the hundred
best books, you know that which many

531
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.119
but were the classics that I was
listening to to learn those A lot of

532
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.280
those books either that maybe i'd read
once long ago or I never had read.

533
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:44.960
And I also was a person who
subscribed to the Great Courses you know

534
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.119
work as well because for that very
reason, because I knew that I had

535
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:51.400
forgotten it. As we started this
conversation, I knew I'd forgotten some of

536
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:57.119
those great classics and they're so important, such great that's such a great organization.

537
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.320
You know that if you go to
a public library, the usually have

538
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:06.400
them, like the DVDs still like
a whole library or collection from the Great

539
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.639
Courses, like it's been around for
a while and like, how amazing stuff.

540
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:15.199
Some really good like Daniel and Robinson
he's a philosopher that passed away,

541
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:20.840
and Aristotilion he's he's one of my
favorite lecturers. He passed I guess he

542
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.440
passed away a couple of years ago. But Daniel and Robinson, it's where

543
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:28.440
I picked up that I picked up
that word O seppi topoli is from Aristotle.

544
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:32.000
It means more or less, right, so we start, yea O

545
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:37.639
seppi topoli, Yeah, sepi it
just means more or less. And so

546
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:43.800
as I'm writing, I can put
oseeppi totally and it's a it's a simultaneously

547
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:49.360
it's an Aristotle plug, an opportunity
to put a hyperlink, right, But

548
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.760
it's like find those little nuggets,
create those little nuggets yourself, right,

549
00:39:53.159 --> 00:40:00.119
m bringing that back into culture,
like a term that's like from Aristotle that

550
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.800
I talked to academic level philosophers and
they don't pick up on that. But

551
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.360
I have fun with it, right, you know, like how fun with

552
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:15.199
it create? There's so much juice
and raw creative power there that you know,

553
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.639
people just have to spend the time
to immerse themselves in it. Well,

554
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.679
now, let's go back to good
old doctor Victor Franco and locotherapy then,

555
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.159
Daniel, since you just ushered that
in when we create like that,

556
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.079
right, So this is why this
is so important to do this, since

557
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.800
to create our creative values, our
creative expression are one of the three sources

558
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.079
of meaning. That means and I
then convey that over to and replace it

559
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:43.239
with the word passion. The more
we create of something that's important of ourselves

560
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.119
and bring it to the world,
the more juice we get back from the

561
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.079
world. It's like an energizing mechanism. That's why it works. So that's

562
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.519
why when we create something that we
really love and that we're passionate about that

563
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:58.199
we feel so alive. That's the
mechanism. It literally infuses life into us

564
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:04.000
to do this. Yeah, philosophically, I always kind of wonder it's maybe

565
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:08.760
like a deantological reaction. This means
it just takes something to replicate it across

566
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:12.920
all of humanity basically, right,
So I always think, well, what

567
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.119
if everybody could do what they love? You know, it's just part of

568
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.079
like the algorithm just went off in
my head as you said that, like,

569
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:21.800
if everybody could do what they loved
how would we get anything done.

570
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.199
I mean, you got to think
about that for a minute, right,

571
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:27.679
Like, is it possible that everybody
can do what they love? Right?

572
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.880
I don't know. I don't know. It's a very good question. I've

573
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.840
been offering operating into the assumption that
I want a lot more people to do

574
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.599
what they love. Because what I
am doing, Daniel, part of my

575
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:40.320
purpose is to awaken people from the
walking debt to their passion and their purpose.

576
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.519
Because what I've realized, and I've
found this by speaking to countless audiences,

577
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.039
when I ask people what they're passionate
about, the number one response that

578
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.960
I get is a big, quiet, dull thud, and then there's the

579
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:57.199
big question mark on the forehead and
they say, I don't know, they've

580
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.480
lost touch that to that, right, So that's what I know, as

581
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:02.880
I just said, that is when
we can serve from our give from our

582
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:07.239
purpose, give from our what our
creativity, which is what only we can

583
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.199
give to the world. We are
energized, we're doing something. But the

584
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:14.760
important thing is is that if finding
a way for it to actually make a

585
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.000
difference, to be of service to
others, at which point then it can

586
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:22.960
become if not purpose then at least
an act of service to others. Yeah,

587
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.519
but you have to admit, like
what we're doing is an act of

588
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:30.679
service to a larger group of people, right, And I think I think

589
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.280
where I was going with that line
of questioning and maybe try and add some

590
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:39.039
shade or some you know, some
light to that. So I if there's

591
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:45.440
people that that their purpose may be
very it may be very useful, like

592
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:52.239
in a pragmatic, practical, everyday
sense, right, it may be uh,

593
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.360
you know, looking after an elder. Right. They may find real

594
00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.800
purpose in a in you know,
having a relationship with an like an elder

595
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.639
parent. Right. And so there's
you know, there's there's ways that I

596
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.840
think people have to kind of make
the best of what I'm not I'm not

597
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:15.159
advocating for people to all. You
know, we still have a lot of

598
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.559
practical things that need to be accomplished, right. And you know for some

599
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.039
people that maybe Shay, I don't
know, and they don't they're not sure,

600
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:27.440
maybe that is the servitude of just
doing something you know that they should

601
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.639
be doing. Right. Yeah,
Although what I know, Daniel is that

602
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:36.280
we really are at our best in
terms of well being when we can plug

603
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.400
into those three sources and meaning and
activate them through the course of our daily

604
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.719
lives. And so going back to
your example of the person that's caring for

605
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.239
an elderly person, that might actually
fit in the experiential source of meeting,

606
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:52.119
which I call inspiration. Maybe it
isn't a purpose, but it still inspires

607
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:57.559
and it fills your tank with energy
and emotion and fuel because you're so connected

608
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.760
to that person and you care about
them. So there's there's so many.

609
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.440
What we're doing in this conversation is
we're really starting to distinguish some terms that

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get used as the same. Another
thing people people confuse major life goals as

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purpose. That's not necessarily true.
They confuse, you know, success with

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purpose. They also confuse passion with
purpose. And it's so purpose is always

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that that overarching, main directional source
that allows us to that gives us a

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way to unite all of our decisions, our choices, our contributions through like

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a common sort of threat. And
so it is that major orienting principle.

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And for me, passion is that
thing that you are. You're giving something

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of yourself from yourself that really only
you can give, and that uniqueness is

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what makes it important and special and
frankly valuable. M Yeah, yeah.

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I again thinking of an academic that
has to come in and you guys have

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to melt like mind meld because there's
there's an approach that he's taking and there's

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approach that you're working on from the
ground, right, So there's these two

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want to make these two convergent ideas
synthesize optimally and how do we do that?

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It's you know, I think there's
there should be a coming together there.

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I'm in well, I I connect
with a lot of there's a whole

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purpose community, believe it or not, Purpose is its own industry, and

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there's a whole community of us.
There's the global Purpose Leaders that Brandon Peel,

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Hollywood's and many others who've been on
my show introduced me to and I'm

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part of. So there's a lot
of people around the world that's working on

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that are working on this. So
I would love to talk with this professor.

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And by the way, speaking of
that, I one of the things

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I definitely want to talk abou before
we run out of time is you mentioned

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we've only got maybe just one minute
talk about this. You wanted to recruit

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emeritus professors who have time and interest
in writing essays. So why that particular

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group, Well, there are professors
that have actually left the university. They're

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no longer actively teaching courses as far
as I know, I think they're consider

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them retired, right, but still
active a part of the faculty. So

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there's an opportunity for them to contribute
because they've got a lifetime of thinking and

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thought and leadership and you know,
they've just got all this this rich experience

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and an ability to create really amazing
work. So you know, we're actively

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you know, working with and trying
to solicit some some emeritus professors to put

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in some work on our site so
that you know, it just becomes better.

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Okay, well that's fantastic. So
we've made the colleges now by the

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way, right, So there it
is. We've called out for them.

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You you know who you are,
people, and you know who you're connected

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to, so send them to Plank
SIP. So we're coming to the closes

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here, Daniel, have to give
you the last word. As the guest.

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You know that this is a program
that's listened to people around the world

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and they really do tune in to
be inspired, to be educated, but

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also to be part of the conversation
where they're part of creating a place where

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people actually want to come to work, and we do business that betters in

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the world. What we'll like to
leave them with. The thing that comes

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to mind is we've got a writer's
practic. Come, so we're giving you

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every opportunity to come on and be
a part of you know what we're doing

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and it's a whole year long practic. Come, come sign up and you

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know we'll work with you. So
if you've got a voice, you want

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to put it on paper and grow
your personal brand. Uh, you know,

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come take a look at plank sep. That is a fantastic way to

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finish. Daniel, I am so
happy to know you and have you in

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my life and now get to share
plank Ship with my listeners. So thank

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you for being a guest. Thank
you, Liz listeners viewer. If you

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will learn more about Plankship and Daniel
Sanderson, go to planks is it planksip

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dot press dot org, is good
dot org okay dot org? And I

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want to thank you. I want
to thank my partner and sponsor again,

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work Proud. They help companies build
a platform where your workforce receives meaningful feedback

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and thanks from their work for people
across your company. Last week, if

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you missed the live show, you
can always catch your recorded podcast. We

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were on the air with Deborah Westfall, who's the author of Converts Technology,

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Business and the Human Centric Future.
Next week will be on the air with

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Samuel Cook, the founder of James
Cook Media, a storytelling marketing agency,

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and also the founder of Sanity Desk, a full stack software solution for experts

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and small service businesses to launch and
manage their business online. We're doing this

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because we really are helping to showcase
his own path to meaning and purpose which

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led him to these pursuits. So
you there, remember that works at least

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a third of our lives. So
let's work on purpose. We hope you've

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enjoyed this week's program. Be sure
to tune in too Working on Purpose featuring

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your host, doctor Elise Cortez each
week on the Voice America Empowerment Channel.

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Together, we'll create a world where
business operates conscientiously, leadership inspires impassioned performance,

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and employees are fulfilled in work that
provides the meaning and purpose they crave.

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See you there, Let's work on
Purpose.