Planksip: A Bold New Venture in Digital Publishing

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

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People ache for meaning and purpose at
work to contribute their talents passionately and

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know their lives really matter. They
crave being part of an organization that inspires

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them and helps them grow into realizing
their highest potential business can be such a

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force for good in the world,
elevating humanity. In our program, we

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provide guidance and inspiration to help usher
in this world we all want working on

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purpose. Now Here is your host, doctor Elise Cortes. Hi there,

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welcome back to the Working a Purpose
Program. Thank you juning again this week.

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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez
jo join you from Denver where I'm

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on the road delivering talks for Leadership
conference this week. It's very excited to

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be on the road again. Dallas
is my normal home base. If you

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don't know me yet, I'm a
management consultant specialize in in meaning and purpose,

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organizational logo therapists, inspirational speaker,
social scientist and author. I help

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comeaneds to discover and articulate their purpose
to throw it through their culture and operations

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at work. The organizations to develop
inspirational leaders who create cultures or people actually

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want to come to work and do
their best, and I provide programs like

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the Grab Your Gusto that enable individual
team members to discover and atleast their passion

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and purpose at work to catalyze fulfillment, engagement, and productivity. You learn

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more about me and how we can
work together at eliscortes dot com or Gusto

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dashnow dot com. Let me thank
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get your copy with us today is
Daniel Sanderson, the creator and founder of

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Planksip, a media platform for aspiring
writers and thought leaders. We'll be talking

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about the purpose of Plankst, how
it was born, it's vision and mission.

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He joins you today from Vancouver Island, British Columbia. Daniel, welcome

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to Working on Purpose. Well,
thank you for having me a lease.

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It's a pleasure. Thank you.
It's been so great to get to know

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you over the last few weeks and
see what you've been up to and what

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you've been pouring yourself into. So
I'm glad to get to share that with

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listeners across the globe. We talk
a lot on this show, Daniel,

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about how can we advance the conversation
on creating workplaces in a world where people

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actually want to come to work and
do their best, and leaders inspire people

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to their greatness and we do business
that betters the world. And it seems

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to me that you're pulling that tied
along for us. Yeah, I really

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I had a background in entrepreneurship.
In fact, I've been an entrepreneur my

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whole adult life, and I think
I had a shift right around my mid

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thirties and I wanted to get into
more arts or artistic humanities, a type

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of lifestyle, and I created a
company around that, an entire media outlet

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around that kind of shift. You
know, Daniel, I'm going to say

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something that you probably already know,
but listeners and viewers, this is something

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for you to pay attention to.
Daniel said something important about the mid thirties.

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What I've learned as a social scientist
is that something happens for a lot

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of us in our mid thirties where
things start to get itchy inside. We

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start looking for something else. So
pay attention. If you're starting to feel

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that itch, listen to it.
Look what Daniel's done by scratching that itch.

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So I know you've done various things
across your life. I want to

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really dig first into how Planks it
began. I know it began as a

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blog, and so first let's talk
about what was your idea behind it when

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you launched it as a blog.
What were you trying to accomplish? Well,

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there's still a lot of remnants of
UH, you know, thousands of

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articles from myself and my I guess
unique quirkiness of using UH it is a

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blog and then graduating it into something
you know, much more substantive. So

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in a way, I also encourage
people to go and have a look,

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uh, delve into the actual writing
and and see that it's a it's an

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expression largely with its its roots in
in my love and exploration of of you

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know, famous intellectuals of our past, and philosophy and psychology and neuroscience.

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Right, So it's it's it's full
of those kind of nuggets. But I

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guess your question, sorry about the
about moving it from the blog, Well,

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I think it's just a natural state
of growth. You know, there's

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a there's a point where you,
uh, any artist or writer or lifelong

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learner for that matter, is going
to study and learn and keep learning.

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But eventually, and I'd love to
hear your thoughts on this, is that

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there's a cognitive falloff. You start
to forget some of the stuff you started

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to learn in the earlier part of
your learning journey. And when that started

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to happen, I found that I
really just like I'm a doer. So

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I said, we've got to do
something with this knowledge. We have to

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you know, share it to a
wider audience. We have to bring people

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in and build something scalable to you
know, compete with a lot of distractions

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out there, you know what I
mean? M H I do a couple

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things on that, Daniel. So, yeah, we do lose, we

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lose knowledge, we lose what we
learned a long time ago. In fact,

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just quickly to presences. Last week
on the show, we had Deborah

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Westfall on the show, and she
wrote a book called Convergence. Among other

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things, what we talked about is
she lays out that human knowledge has advanced

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so much recently that it's really impossible
to keep up with. She said that

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by nineteen hundred we were doubling our
knowledge every century. By World War two

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we were doubling it every twenty five
years. Now we doubled every thirteen months.

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So what we talked about also in
part, was the need to get

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rid of some of the stuff that
we don't need anymore or want anymore,

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to make room for what we do
want to keep. But that also means

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that we need to be able to
remember those things that we do want to

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keep and learn. So that's the
first point. The second thing that I

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think is really interesting about what you're
doing as a person who has too liberal

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arts degrees, one bachelor's, one
masters. I really believe in liberal studies

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and certainly philosophy, and I don't
know how much we're teaching that in school

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today, so that you're giving a
platform for people to continue to muse on

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that, to write about that,
to share on that. I think it's

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really spectacular. Yeah, well said, that's really what we're all about.

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Yeah. So you know, of
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to have you on the show is
because you're a great example of, Hey,

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this is what I love. Let
me go find a way to make

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it work in the world. Let
me go see who wants to come play

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with me? Right? And how
great is that? And I you know,

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this notion of scaling so so important, And then and then we want

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to go back to you are a
delightfully unusual person in my mind, Daniel,

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because of that mind of yours,
you're creative, you think differently,

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You're willing to step on the edge, to the point even that you call

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your organization plank SIP. So you
told me before about where that came from,

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but share that what's behind the name
plank SIP. So when you think

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of the word plank, we have
that as a to civilize the organic platform,

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the organic nature of the content we
create. Don't have sponsors on the

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site or advertising it's it's a really
amazing writing experience as well as a reading

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experience. So that was really important. So is that we didn't have that

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corporate poll. And so a lot
of what we do in terms of marketing

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is really very old fashioned word of
mouth relationships. And I'm trying to stay

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away from a business model that kind
of cannibalizes itself. Right. If you

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get into that paid advertising, sure
it can, you know, work,

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but you're kind of feeding the monster
that's kind of eating us alive in a

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way without really getting into the I
was going to ask you should we get

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into environment or should I leave?
Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, and I'll

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tell you why, but keep going. Yeah, I mean, because it's

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it's very central to I think.
You know, I'm not speaking for all

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the members of plank SIT, but
it's something that I constantly advocate for.

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And in America it's very divided,
actually all over the world, it's very

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divided in terms of liberals and conservatives. Right. Conservative mentality is, you

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know, let's let's make more sensible
decisions based on evidence, right, And

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you know, the liberals are trying
to be more proactive with you know,

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where they think it's going. I
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be very kind to both sides,
right, And I would say that,

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you know, you you still need
to have that sense that that sense of

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practicality, but really understand the gravity
of the situation and how much we as

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a society have to mobilize and quickly
change and adapt. And so the model

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of plank ZIP was designed specifically for
that. Right. So plank being the

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organic platform and SIP being how we
want to change what consumption means. Right,

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So you interact with community on a
website in a virtual environment, and

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we want people to consume that experience
as opposed to you know, extra shoes

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and disposables or you know, ridiculous
fashion or whatever kind of things are kind

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of just wasteful, right mm hmm. Okay, So I'm going to respond

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to the environment thing, and then
I have to ask you another question here

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that's gurgling up for me. So
environment is very important. I grew up

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in Oregon, which is very much
a tree hugging, granola eating state,

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and then I in my mid twenties
moved to Spain and then to Brazil.

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When I was in Brazil, I
got the opportunity to be part of the

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brio Urth Summit in nineteen ninety two, and I saw people from around the

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world come together to talk about the
importance of climate and dealing with it and

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caring for it. It's stewarding it. So then I got inspired. When

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I was doing my masters, which
was with it was liberal studies with a

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focus on international relations with South America. I focused my thesis on the socio

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political and economic factors contributing to the
Amazonian deforestation. Now today, I am

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very much a conscious capitalist. So
you know, when you look at conscious

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capitalism, one of the things,
one of the stakeholders is the environment.

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So you know, I'm very very
attuned to the notion that you know,

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we need the planet will likely go
on without us, will be well extinct

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well before the planet does. So
I'm very aware of what how I'm living

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and how them I'm healthy and breathing
because of the environment I'm living in.

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So in the importance of stuparding that. So, yes, the environment is

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important, we can agree on that, yeah, yeah, And so then

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the next thing I had to ask
you when you were when you were talking,

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it seems to me and I don't
know if you would agree with this,

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but I don't know to what extent
you feel that planksip is an expression

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of your purpose in the world.
I wanted to you did you bring that?

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You brought that up earlier, and
I did want to. I had

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an idea of elaborating on the purpose
aspect of it, because you'd mentioned,

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you know, isn't it great,
you know, doing what you love or

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taking something that you love and then
translating it and wholeheartedly I do. I

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do advocate for that, I really
do. However, i'd you know,

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I'd want to urge the listeners to
also be aware of the responsibility in that

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kind of a decision. Okay,
So what I mean by that is that

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I think with the privilege of doing
something that you love, I think you

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have to really understand what's the possible
benefit or good that it can do a

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community, right, And if you're
not really thinking of that, if the

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passion play is I'd really like to
do this, but it really only just

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you know, benefits me in isolation. At least be aware of that,

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right, Because sometimes passions have a
way of changing or morphing or moving and

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shifting over time. And I took
this this direction as a passion because I

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know all of the benefit that we've
done so far, and I know all

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the possibilities of benefit that it can
offer in the future. And so it

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ends up being not only the passion
that I wanted to pursue, but so

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much more right, so much more
good and benefit could come out of it

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as it grows. Daniel, Now
we're getting into the great juice and meat

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of the conversation for me anyway.
So yes, listeners and viewers, if

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I can distinguish a couple of terms
here that I think are really important to

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the conversation we're having. So passion
is is from my parlance and what I

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subscribe as a local therapist to the
idea that passion is really one of our

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sources of meaning. It's connected to
our creation. What do we create from

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ourselves? Yes, in many ways
it's it's oftentimes in service because we love

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it for ourselves. Only does things? Can things become a purpose an expression

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of purpose when we are in service
of other people only otherwise it doesn't count

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as purpose. And that's that's courtesy
of Aaron Hurst and many other people that

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research purpose. And so generally speaking, if you subscribe to what Hirst says,

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then I generally do is that for
something to qualify as purpose, you

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will be personally growing in the in
the in the pursuit of giving this,

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you will be generally creating a community
somehow and in the expression of this,

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and you will always be serving other
people. So I think what you did

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there, Daniel was so important to
distinguish passion from purpose. They're not the

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same. Okay. Interesting, Can
I ask you a philosophical question always?

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You know I do this constantly,
don't I? Yes, I know.

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Let's bring it so the So the
research that you're talking about, is it

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is it? Would you say that
it's it's fundamentally grounded? And uh?

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In a Christian way of thinking,
No, I wouldn't say that, and

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I don't think so, And at
least I'm not aware that it is.

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My research has really I've done research
from you know, from the vantage point

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of Victor Frankel, which who was
I think is a Jewish man, and

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not that he layers it over into
into his talks or research, but but

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really from the from the aspect of
really what coming you know, what's burling

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up in sight of you that needs
to be expressed into the world. It

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doesn't matter what your faith is,
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is, your culture, what language
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I'm just releasing an anthology of twenty
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across the world to share how they
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it. And they're from all walks
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so he's got a very unique perspective
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grateful to learn from him, and
I'll say more about that after the break.

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But let's grab our first break.
I'm at least Cortez, your host.

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We've gone there with Daniel Sanderson,
the creator and founder of planksip.

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to do with the platform. After
the break, we'll talk more about philosophy

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and where it's going in the future. Stay with us, We'll be right

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back. Doctor Release Cortes is a
management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose and

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inspirational speaker and author. She helps
companies visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and

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develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused
cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and

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commitment within the workforce. To learn
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your organization, please visit her at
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Release Cortes. To reach our program
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on Purpose. Interesting with us and
welcome back to working on Purpose. Before

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we get back to the program,
I'd like to invite you to check out

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my book Purpose Ignited, How Inspiring
the Leaders ignite passion in Elevate Cause.

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It's on Amazon. I wrote that
book to awaken readers to their passion and

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purpose and helped transform them into inspirational
leaders who in live in the workplace and

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elevate the contribution of business to all
its stakeholders. I also use the content

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as a basis for my vitally Inspired
Leadership program as well as my Grab Your

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Gusto program. If you're just joining
us today, my guest is Daniel Sanderson.

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He's the founder of PLANKSIP. He
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British Columbia. I'm your host,
doctor Lei's Cortes. So, Daniel,

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we were talking before the break about
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Frankel. Yes, he was a
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and he did spend almost three years
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the camps with a fully formed manuscript
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in life and actually the will to
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him and he had to recreate it
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fully convinced. Yes, meaning is
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says, and I agree that meaning
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is our chief fixation, this is
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why he details these three sources of
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a diplomat in logo philosophy, which
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field, and I've written a thesis
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reading it. Maybe at some point
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and you are so interested, I
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yes, yes, And so it's
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the other things that I was thinking
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is what's been happening with it since
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as I can count. So what
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they changed, have they become more
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platform? You know? I want
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to comment on something because you really
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to, you know, maybe comment
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act of thinking. I think it's
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function at their intellectual best, and
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one of the things that you can
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down, whether it's an essay or
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or in an essay or something like
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think I think that's really good because
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going through that journey taking something,
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forming, forming an identity around your
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can I connect you with some of
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of dignity. And so I'm just
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improve your ability to understand and accentuate
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that, and and sorry, what
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together, so funny way to make
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people have more they have more availability. And I say they had because

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terms of like this false start or
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so I find that when things are
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doing more creative work and this you
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market for that. There's going to
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we know what this finger roll is,

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what you're up to, Daniel,
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be able to do what they really
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cool is that to be able to
be able to write, to invite people,

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what do you really want to do? Come do it here with us?

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everybody. I mean, we always
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of philosophical articles, right. So
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we're still creating YouTube content. We're
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you know, you know, really
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part, right, and you know, sometimes we do it for free in

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exchange that you know, they're going
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because let's face it, it's tough
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know, extra money to spend.
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have some time to you know,
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site. M does that do?
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cool thing that I think I just
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do. There's sites, you know, we all visit them and there's somebody

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who wrote a really good article and
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article and there's no information about them, you know, like Susie Smith,

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right, and so then you can
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Smith. But you're like, you're
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where on planksit they have the article, they click on it, they can

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go to your site, they can
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I want to promote you. I
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brand, like invite you to a
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to anybody. It's so silly,
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mean, Like, let's try and
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actually function. That's why I meet
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soon as it gets too busy where
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other people like me meeting members.
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about that really quick. So people
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work here? So and how can
I get involved? So this is a

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membership model, write a subscription model, right, so when people subscribe,

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what do they get? Oh?
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is really but yeah, it's the
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system. It's free and then also
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thing, but it's really more than
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to work with you in your own
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I continue to fight for this tooth
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you offer five different levels and offer
video creation or offer you know, writing

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competitions, or here's your I go, no, we can do all this

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stuff. I need to meet with
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so that we can publish it.
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little bit poor quality and we can't
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got a tutor to help you out, right, we got somebody to help

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increase because we want you to.
We want to grow with people, you

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know, and good ideas don't always
come out grammatically correct, So it doesn't

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mean it's not a good idea,
right, right, We just need to

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polish it, right, We polish
it and develop it and maybe get them

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thinking and refining their ideas. And
then what do they do. It's like

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a natural form of personal development that's
completely intellectual and hopefully felt and genuine and

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you know, responsive to being part
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is that writing helps you think,
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way of thinking, right, certainly
a way of developing your thoughts, which

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is why I continue to write.
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I got on air that I have
another four or five books planned as it

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my purpose, further my person,
further express my purpose so that can be

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of higher service to my clients.
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pull yourself into that higher level of
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it's hard work, and you can't do

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it alone generally speaking. Yeah,
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here and say, you know,
in your leisure time, have something by

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your nightstand and when you want screen
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know it's like, you know,
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have a nice night light, sit
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you know, I know there's the
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time to relax and go why was
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what would it be like to actually
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put what's here down here on paper, right, And so then you can

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start to empathize in a way I
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to think about what state of mind
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of work considering his surroundings of being
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mean, I'm not laughing at it
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this is so ridiculous. Then such
amazing work came out of that, you

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it's the quiet time where you can
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just see what's what's whispering to you
that says that's trying to come out?

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couldn't see when you work otherwise quiet
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running so fast. What I find
in my work is that people don't know

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who they are and they don't know
what their purpose is either, because they're

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running so fast and hard in life
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That's trying to tell them just really
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they can what gifts they can offer. And that's the second piece is the

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importance of quieting, taking time.
I just started working with a new leader

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today and she told me that,
she said, I keep myself so busy

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otherwise my mind gets a hold of
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that's what we're going to work on. We need you to make quiet

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time in your life to be able
to connect to your creativity, to connect

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to your passions, to connect to
that voice, and instead of just filling

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ourselves with mindless media which also now
speaks less unless you want to respond to

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that. But I also want to
hear what you mean by reimagined media.

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You talk about planks of as being
reimagined, So if you want to address

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that, or if you want to, I respond to what I just said,

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but definitely wants to address this reimagined
media thing too. Yeah, so

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the reimagined media. I have a
goal. I'm very direct with this with

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people, as I say, I
have a goal of ten thousand paying members.

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I call them. I was inspired
by them being Athenians right back in

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the ancient Greek polis, they would
have they would have I think at the

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height, they would have ten thousand. They had ten thousand voters in that

415
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democracy, right, And so I
want to have ten thousand a media group

416
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that's ten thousand strong, and every
member is a part of that media group

417
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at planksipt Press, so we're you
know, truth seekers in that regard,

418
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right. So what I want to
see with that ten thousand is imagine a

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whole bunch of really thoughtful people,
talented people, men and women, and

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you know, even people seventeen myself
likes to write, he's sixteen years old.

421
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But anyways, we have these people
that all kind of descend on a

422
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topic, okay, like a swarm
something that's really important. They really blast

423
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through that cultural like it's so hard
to get through that that you know,

424
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that that cultural veil, right,
you know what I mean. So we

425
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want to come at that really hard, and especially being a small media outlet,

426
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we have to be that way.
But the way I envision it is

427
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that the media world is needing a
change, right, this antiquated sort of

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development or natural progression from a newspaper, right, it's very much you know,

429
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passive people come, they watch,
they read, they do. You

430
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know, it's a very passive sort
of thing, and so plank sip's very

431
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.559
engaging and engaging in a way that's
meaningful. So it has tremendous possibility for

432
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scalability, and I don't want it
to be all plank sip. I want

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other media outlets to freely take it
do it because it will make the world

434
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a better place. And so that's
kind of what I mean, you know,

435
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with with you know, the scalability
and you know, driving purpose as

436
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.839
part of the scale. I'll comment
more on that, Daniel, but let's

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let's grab our last break. I'm
your host, doctor release Cortes. We're

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here with Daniel Sanderson, who is
the creator and founder of planksip. We're

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talking more about how the platform works
after recrenated and more of the academic elements

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00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.799
of it. Stay with us,
we'll be right back. Doctor Elise Cortes

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is a management consultant specializing in meaning
and purpose and inspirational speaker and author.

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She helps companies visioneer for greater purpose
among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership and

443
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meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment,
performance, and commitment within the workforce.

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To learn more or to invite Elise
to speak to your organization, please visit

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00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.319
her at elisecortes dot com. Let's
talk about how to get your employees working

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00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:07.079
on purpose. This is Working on
Purpose with doctor Elise Cortes. To reach

447
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:12.400
our program today or open a conversation
with Alise, send an email to a

448
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:20.960
lease Alise at elisecortes dot com.
Now back to working on Purpose. Thankteres

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sting with us, and welcome back
to Working on Purpose. I wanted to

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make an announcement before we get back
to the program here. I mentioned with

451
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Daniel before we started that I have
another book coming out, and that's the

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anthology. It's called Passionately Striving and
Why. And this is a collection of

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stories from twenty five women from around
the world that I recruited to share the

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intimate details of how they've discovered their
purpose and how they're serving from it today.

455
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And I am so proud of it
I could just bust. Really,

456
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I mean, talk about a pandemic
birth. This is what we've been doing.

457
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So that's coming out. It's actually
now on Amazon. It was released

458
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August eighteenth. I also want to
say too that I'm next now trolling the

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world for men for my next anthology
who have discovered their purpose and are serving

460
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.039
from it and want to share their
story. So if you have one and

461
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:00.640
you know a man who's working in
purpose and wants to tell it, get

462
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.680
a hold of me at a least
at least Cortes dot com. If you're

463
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.680
just joining us. My guest is
Daniel Sanderson. He's the founder of planksip.

464
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.800
He joined today from Vancouver Island,
British Columbia. I'm your host,

465
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doctor Alis Cortes. So I promised
Daniel that I wanted to respond to your

466
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:16.840
last comment, and that is another
reason I wanted to have you on the

467
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:22.320
show, is that you exemplify a
forward reaching human being, which is what

468
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.559
I think we desperately need, certainly
in the world of business and how it

469
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.679
is that we work. So you
said before that you wanted other media to

470
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:31.639
join you and even take your stuff. I had Paul Skinner on my radio

471
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.679
show a couple of years ago,
who's now become a dear friend of mine

472
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.280
and I so and myrian respect him. He wrote a book called Collaborative Advantage.

473
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.920
So what you're talking about doing would
go against the grain of most people

474
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.280
that would say, wait a minute, aren't they your competitors, And here

475
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:50.079
you are collaborating opening to Kimono with
them, And so again, I think

476
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.400
that showcase is a totally new frontier
that I want our listeners and viewers across

477
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:58.320
the world to entertain for themselves and
consider how they can apply what you're doing

478
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:00.400
to their world, to their busines, to their lives, their careers.

479
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.480
Yeah, quite simply the values and
the content at least, that's what.

480
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.119
It's not the system, it's the
value of the content. And someone can

481
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take my system. It's not a
system. I don't even really like calling

482
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.679
a system, but you know,
take take that model. But remember you've

483
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got to create good content. And
that's your content, that's anybody's content.

484
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.199
Just make it more engaging for people, right, And that's how do I

485
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.199
How do I monetize that? You
just you just do it. You know

486
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:35.480
what you're reminding me of? Gosh
I hope I remember the name if I.

487
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:39.480
If not, you can help me. The the the great well known

488
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:45.199
band in the eighties and there was
a movie made about them. I'm losing

489
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:50.519
this here just a second here,
but he they were. Their music was

490
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:55.280
so well known and the lead singer
would would sometimes start and engage with big

491
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.440
crowd and he would play. He'd
say, come play with me, and

492
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.599
he at the crowd will come back
a who's that? Who? What?

493
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.800
What? What? What group was
that that? Saying like that? Listeners,

494
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.119
viewers tell them help me out.
So you know what, Okay,

495
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.559
I can't give this up. We
have to because we have to make this

496
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.280
a competition. Okay, you know
how I roll? Okay, so doctor

497
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:23.599
Alis Cortez is going to donate.
Okay, roll with me. I'm making

498
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:30.079
this up, all right, fifty
dollars to whoever is the first to say

499
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.000
what that song is? And what
was it? Again? Well, well

500
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.320
here's what I want to. I
want you to so that the singer sings

501
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.280
to the crowd, eh, and
the crowd comes back with hey, and

502
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.400
this what I want to know,
listeners is what's the name of the band?

503
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.239
What's the name of the group that
that does that? And who's the

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00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.199
lead singer? They made a movie
about it, and probably when we hang

505
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:54.119
up on afterwards, I'll remember it. But listeners and viewers, it's on

506
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.199
you, all right. Fifty bucks
and you got to throw in a book.

507
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.320
You got to throw it and then
I've thrown a book. Yeah yeah,

508
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.960
yeah, you put like a fifty
dollars bill inside the book. That's

509
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.559
awesome. Okay, so it just
keeps getting better all the time. All

510
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:09.360
right, all right, listeners,
viewers, help me, help me out,

511
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.679
help a sister out. Okay.
Blue Rhapsody, the name of the

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00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.360
film is called Blue Rhapsody. What
what group were they? Were they showcasing?

513
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.719
Anyway? Okay, So now what
I want to talk about. I

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00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.840
didn't know. I didn't know this
until you mentioned this to the other day.

515
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:27.679
But what is this abyss abysles aco
a business academy. Yeah, I

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00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.400
love the idea of having an academy. Can I tell you I wanted to

517
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.639
do something with an academy and it
somehow? What is it? The abisio

518
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:39.199
Academy. It's going to be this
educational platform where you can take courses,

519
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:45.480
right, so courses from the classics, and so you want to yeah,

520
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.440
like an old classical uh education,
right, you want to you want to

521
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.519
read the classics and spend some time, you know, and some of the

522
00:37:53.559 --> 00:38:00.320
most important literature and philosophy, uh
of humanity. Then you want to you

523
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.800
want to sign up for a course
at the abyssle academy, right, not

524
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:08.719
abysmal, right, abysm and why
bas Okay, yeah, it's a term

525
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:16.000
that came from Martin Heideger actually and
a philosopher. Yes, yeah, so

526
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:20.960
yeah, you know that's going to
be coming out soon, probably in twenty

527
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.440
twenty two. I again, I
really appreciate. I'm one of those people

528
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:28.119
who I remember you laugh at me
years ago. I still have the cassette

529
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.000
tapes. I had the one hundred
best books, you know that, which

530
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:36.920
many which were the classics that I
was listening to to learn those. A

531
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.079
lot of those books either maybe I'd
read once long ago or I never had

532
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.840
read. And I also was a
person who subscribed to the Great Courses you

533
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.039
know work as well because for that
very reason, because I knew that I

534
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.280
had forgotten it. As we started
this conversation, I knew I'd forgotten some

535
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.400
of those great classics, and they're
so important, such great griess. Wasn't

536
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.159
that that's such a great organization,
you know that if you go to a

537
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:04.000
public library, the usual like have
them like the DVDs still like a whole

538
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.960
library or collection from the Great Courses, like it's been around for a while

539
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.280
and like a amazing stuff. Some
really good like Daniel N. Robinson.

540
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:17.639
He's a philosopher that passed away in
Aristotilian. He's he's one of my favorite

541
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:22.199
lecturers. He passed I said,
he passed away a couple of years ago.

542
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.360
But Daniel N. Robinson, it's
where I pick up that I picked

543
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:29.679
up that word o spi topally is
from Aristotle. It means more or less,

544
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:37.119
right, oseppi topally, yeah,
opi, it just means more or

545
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.760
less. And so as I'm writing, I can put oseppi totally and it's

546
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:47.480
a it's a simultaneously it's an Aristotle
plug, an opportunity to put a hyperlink,

547
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.920
right. But it's like find those
little nuggets, create those little nuggets

548
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.880
yourself, right, mm hmm,
bringing that back into culture, like a

549
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:04.920
term that's like from Aristotle that I
talk to academic level philosophers and they don't

550
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.320
pick up on that. But I
have fun with it, right, you

551
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.679
know, like have fun with it. Create. There's so much juice and

552
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:16.159
raw creative power there that that you
know, people just have to spend the

553
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:20.800
time to immerse themselves in it.
Well, now let's go back to good

554
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:22.480
old doctor Victor Franco and loco therapy, then, Daniel, since you just

555
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.679
ushered that in when we create like
that, right, So this is why

556
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.760
this is so important to do this
since to create our creative values, our

557
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:36.559
creative expression are one of the three
sources of meaning that means. And I

558
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.719
then convey that over to and replace
it with the word passion. The more

559
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.320
we create of something that's important of
ourselves and bring it to the world,

560
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.360
the more juice we get back from
the world. It's like an energizing mechanism.

561
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.760
That's why it works. So that's
why when we create something that we

562
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.599
really love and that we're passionate about
that we feel so alive. That's the

563
00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:01.639
mechanism. It literally infuses life into
us to do this. Yeah, philosophically,

564
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:07.199
I always kind of wonder it's maybe
like a deontological reaction. This means

565
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.519
it just takes something to replicate it
across all of humanity basically, right.

566
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:14.119
So I always think, well,
what if everybody could do what they love?

567
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.039
You know, it's just part of
like the algorithm just went off in

568
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.559
my head as you said that,
Like, if everybody could do what they

569
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.559
loved, how do we get anything
done? I mean to think about that

570
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.480
for a minute, right, Like, is it possible that everybody can do

571
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.519
what they love? Right? I
don't know. I don't know. It's

572
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.960
a very good question. I've been
offering operating into the assumption that I want

573
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.679
a lot more people to do what
they love because what I am doing,

574
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.119
Daniel, part of my purpose is
to awaken people from the walking debt to

575
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:43.639
their passion and their purpose. Because
what I've realized, and I've found this

576
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:46.519
by speaking to countless audiences, when
I ask people what they're passionate about,

577
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.840
the number one response that I get
is a big, quiet, dull thud,

578
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.480
And then there's the big question mark
on the forehead and they say,

579
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.559
I don't know, they've lost touched
that to that, right. So that's

580
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.199
what I know is I just said, that is when we can serve from

581
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:06.960
our give from our purpose, give
from our creativity, which is what only

582
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.440
we can give to the world.
We are energized, we're doing something.

583
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.480
But the important thing is is that
if finding a way for it to actually

584
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.800
make a difference to be of service
to others, at which point then it

585
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:21.800
can become, if not purpose,
then at least an act of service to

586
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.039
others. Yeah, but you have
to admit, like what we're doing is

587
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:29.480
an act of service to a larger
group of people, right, And I

588
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.599
think I think where I was going
with that line of questioning and maybe try

589
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.559
and add some shade or some you
know, some light to that. So

590
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:45.679
I if there's people that that their
purpose may be very it may be very

591
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.920
useful, like in a pragmatic,
practical, everyday sense. Right, it

592
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:54.679
may be uh, you know,
looking after an elder. Right, they

593
00:42:54.679 --> 00:43:00.360
may find real purpose in in you
know, having a relationship with an like

594
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.840
an elder parent. Right. And
so there's you know, there's there's ways

595
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:10.760
that I think people have to kind
of make the best of what because I'm

596
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.079
not advocating for people to all,
you know, we still have a lot

597
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.400
of practical things that need to be
accomplished, right, And you know for

598
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.760
some people that maybe say I don't
know and they're not sure, maybe that

599
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.800
is the servitude of just doing something
you know that they should be doing.

600
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.199
Right. Yeah, Although what I
know, Daniel, is that we really

601
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:36.679
are at our best in terms of
well being when we can plug into those

602
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.920
three sources and meaning and activate them
through the course of our daily lives.

603
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.400
And so going back to your example
of the person that's caring for an elderly

604
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:49.280
person that might actually fit in the
experiential source of meeting, which I call

605
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.840
inspiration. Maybe it isn't a purpose, but it still inspires and it fills

606
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.079
your tank with energy and emotion and
fuel because you're so connected to that person

607
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.400
and you care about them. So
there's there's so many. What we're doing

608
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:06.280
in this conversation is we're really starting
to distinguish some terms that get used as

609
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:10.599
the same. Another thing, people
confuse major life goals as purpose. That's

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not necessarily true. They confuse,
you know, success with purpose. They

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also confuse passion with purpose. And
it's so purpose is always that that overarching,

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main directional source that allows us to
that gives us a way to unite

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all of our decisions, our choices, our contributions through like a common sort

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of threat. And so it is
that major orienting principle. And for me,

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passion is that thing that you are. You're giving something of yourself from

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yourself that really only you can give, and that uniqueness is what makes it

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important and special and frankly valuable.
Yeah. Yeah, again, thinking of

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an academic that has to come in
and you guys have to melt like mind

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meld because as there's an approach that
he's taking and there's approach that you're working

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on from the ground, right,
So there's these two want to make these

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two convergent ideas synthesize optimally and how
do we do that? It's you know,

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I think there's there should be a
coming together there. I'm in.

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Well, I connect with a lot
of there's a whole purpose community, believe

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it or not, Purpose is its
own industry, and there's a whole community

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of us. There's the global Purpose
Leaders that Brandon Peel, Hollywood's and many

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others we've been on my show introduced
me to and I'm part of. So

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there's a lot of people around the
world that's working on that are working on

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this. So I would love to
talk with this professor. And by the

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way, speaking of that, I
one of the things I definitely want to

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talk about before we run out of
time is you mentioned we've only got maybe

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just one minute to talk about this. You wanted to recruit emeritus professors who

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have time and interest in writing essays. So why that particular group. Well,

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you know, there are professors that
have actually left the university. They're

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no longer actively teaching courses as far
as I know, I think they're consider

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them retired. Right, it's still
active a part of the faculty. So

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there's an opportunity for them to contribute
because they've got a lifetime of thinking and

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thought and leadership, and you know, they've just got all this this rich

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experience and an ability to create really
amazing work. So you know, we're

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actively you know, working with and
trying to solicit some some emeritus professors to

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put in some work on our site
so that you know, it just becomes

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better. Okay, well that's fantastic. So we've made the colleges now,

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by the way, right, So
there it is. We've called out for

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them. You know who you are, people, and you know who you're

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connected to, so send them to
Plank SIP. So we're coming to the

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close here, Daniel, I have
to give you the last word as the

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guest. You know that this is
a program that's listened to people why around

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the world, and they really do
tune in to be inspired, to be

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educated, but also to be part
of the conversation where they're part of creating

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a place where people actually want to
come to work and we do business that

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betters the world. What whould like
to leave them with the thing that comes

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to mind is we've got a writer's
practicum, So we're giving you every opportunity

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to come on and be a part
of you know what we're doing and it's

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a whole year long practic. Come
come sign up and uh you know,

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we'll work with you. So if
you've got a voice, you want to

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put it on paper and grow your
personal brand, Uh you know, come

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take a look at plank sip.
That is a fantastic way to finish.

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Daniel, I am so happy to
know you and have you in my life

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and now get to share planksip with
my listeners. So thank you for being

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a guest. Thank you, Lise
listeners viewer. If you will learn more

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about plank Sip and Daniel Sanderson,
go to planks is it planksip dot press

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dot org, is good dot org? Okay dot org? And I want

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to thank you. I want to
thank my partner and sponsor again, work

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Proud. They help companies build a
platform where your workforce receives meaningful feedback and

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thanks from their work for people across
your company. Last week, if you

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missed the live show you can always
catch it you recorded podcast. We were

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on the air with Deborah Westfall,
who is the author of Converse Jen's Technology,

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Business and the Human Centric Future.
Next week, we'll be on the

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air with Samuel Cook, the founder
of James Cook Media, a storytelling marketing

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agency, and also the founder of
Sanitydesk, a full stack software solution for

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experts and small service businesses to launch
and manage their business online. We're doing

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this because we really are helping to
showcase his own path to meaning and purpose

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which led him to these pursuits.
So you're there. Remember that works at

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least third of our lives. So
let's work on purpose. We hope you've

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enjoyed this week's program. Be sure
to tune in to Working on Purpose featuring

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your host, doctor Elise Cortes,
each week on the Voice America Empowerment Channel.

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Together, we'll create a world where
business operates conscientiously, leadership inspires impassioned

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performance, and employees are fulfilled in
work that provides the meaning and purpose They

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crave. See you there, Let's
work on Purpose.