Nature: The Perfect Antidote to Today’s Spiritual and Well-Being

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

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People ache for meaning and purpose at
work to contribute their talents passionately and

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know their lives really matter. They
crave being part of an organization that inspires

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them and helps them grow into realizing
their highest potential. Business can be such

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a force for good in the world, elevating humanity. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want working

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on purpose. Now. Here is
your host, doctor Elise Cortes. Welcome

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back to the Working and Purpose Program. Thanks for tuning it again this week.

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I'm your host, doctor EARLESE.
Cortes, during your live from Dallas,

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Texas, which is home base for
me me at. I'm a management

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consultant specializing in meaning and purpose,
organizational lagotherapist, inspirational speaker, social scientists,

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and author. You can learn more
about me at at leastcore test dot

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With us today is Swadithagarajan. She's

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an Indian conservationist, documentary filmmaker and
environmental journalist. She's a core member of

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the Sea Change Project in South Africa
and Environmental editor at the Indian Television News

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Network of NDTV. She's the author
of the book Born Wilde Journeys into the

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Wildhearts of India and Africa. She's
the associate producer of the Oscar winning documentary

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My Octopus Teacher, and also produce
The Animal Municator featuring Anna Bretenbach, who

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is an inter species communicator. We'll
be talking today about the work she does

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as a controvationist, film producer and
author. She joined it today from Cape

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Town, South Africa. Swati Vanacom, Welcome to Working on Purpose. Thank

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you very much for having me.
Alise, it's great to be on thank

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you and it is your first language. Tamil or Hindi, well, actually

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English, although I grew up in
India, my whole education system was pretty

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much from the beginning it was in
English. Tamil is my mother tongue,

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so I do speak it. But
even at home, for the most part,

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my parents and I spoke English and
occasionally sort of fell into Tamil and

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Hindi being the you know, sort
of the predominant language in Delhi. So

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when I moved to Delhi, I
sort of learned to speak it. Plus

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it's taught to us in schools.
I can't claim great proficiency in it,

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but yeah, enough to communicate.
It's so beautiful. I learned about twenty

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five words of Tamil when I was
in India in twenty fourteen, so knowing

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a little bit about your background,
I just had to have at least a

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word in there for it. So
thank you for indulging me. Socom was

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very well said, thank you,
thank you. I loved that work.

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So it is so beautifully welcoming the
way it's said, and I receive it

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as such. So I'm glad that
you caught it the way I meant it.

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So to situate this conversation for our
listeners, I want you to all

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understand that I'm originally from Oregon,
which is a state that's known for environmentalism.

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I of course live here in Texas, but I also have the opportunity

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in nineteen ninety two, when I
was living in Rio de Jnario, to

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be part of the ninety two Real
Earth Summit that the United Nations Conference on

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Environmental and Development had convened, and
I got to see nations from all over

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the world come together and work on
this notion of how do we address the

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problems of the environment. So at
the time, I was doing my master's

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degree, and so I focused my
thesis on the political, economic, and

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factors confuting to the Amazonian deforestation.
So I do certainly care about the environment

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and sustainability in the world, and
I also really care about consciousness, which

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is how I want to situate this
conversation. So with that, Swati,

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that's one of the many reasons I
wanted to have you on. I got

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so much from the various works that
you've done in the world already. I'm

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thrilled to have you. Thank you
so much, Elise. It's great to

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be on. So when I'm out
speaking to audiences, Swati so often I

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pose the question to what the audiences
and what will you do with your one

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precious life? And as I really
got present to the work that you were

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doing in the world, it really
strikes me you are really doing something with

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your one precious life. You have
at least I would guess, another fifty

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years in you and you've already done
so much. And so what I'm interested

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in knowing is what are you pouring
yourself in today? What do you really

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stand for? What do you really
care about today? So, right now,

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at present, I work. I'm
still a conservation journalist. That's who

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I've been from the beginning. That's
the foundation of everything that I do.

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But I have, you know,
worn different hats. I've been an author,

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I've been a documentary filmmaker. But
right now I work for the Sea

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Change Project. And the Sea Change
Project is a not for profit organization.

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It essentially works for ocean conservation,
essentially for the long term conservation of the

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Great African Sea Forest, which is
the wonderful habitat that is showcased in the

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film My Octopus Teacher. So our
big first step as the Sea Change Project

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was to firstly come to the realization
that people not just around the world,

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but in Cape Town did not really
know what the Kelp Forest was all about

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or what it was even like,
and so that there was a lack of

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awareness. There's not that much science
around Calp Forest. A few fantastic scientists

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working, but not made that public. And for us, the Great African

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Sea Forest, which is what we've
named our help Forest, which is right

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here, there's unbelievable wilderness on our
doorstep, inspires us every day. We're

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in the water every day. There's
all these extraordinary animals, there's extraordinary ecosystem.

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It's like an underwater forest. You
know, think of a forest on

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land with all the animals and birds
and imagine it full water. That is

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exactly what the Great African Sea Forest
is beneath the waves. So that's what

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sea Change is focused on working on. We're also working towards a global alliance

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to try and bring attention to help
forests around the world. So that's the

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sort of trajectory I'm on right now. It's so beautiful. I definitely got

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very present to that by watching my
Octopust Teacher eight times, by the way,

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and I keep going back because there's
just so much more to learn from

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it, and I will continue to
watch it, and I keep telling everybody

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who will listen to me, you
need to watch this film. It's amazing.

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But I want to start first with
your book. So it's so beautiful,

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and I loved how you wrote about
each of the chapters, and starting

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with you know, the core predator, but you wrote chapters on tigers,

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lions, and leopards, And by
the way, leopards have always been incredibly

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alluring to me. They're just so
graceful and strong and intelligent, and I

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just loved how you really brought us
into them to understand that it was beautiful.

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And I also, of course,
being who I am, I'm a

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social scientist and meeting a work researcher, and I love how you feature your

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uncle Sidharth and your father as your
early initiators of your love and stewarding of

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nature, and so to me,
it really showcases the powerful route through which

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we can find our purpose earlier in
our life, through our passion and people

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who will help us nurture that.
But I'm only deducing here that this is

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actually your purpose. You may actually
say it differently, how do you consider

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how would you articulate your purpose?
So I was very lucky that my father

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took the time to spend that much
time with me in wilderness, and his

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best friend, who was an ornithologist, my uncle Siddarth, took so much

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time to spend with me, you
know, taking me into the wild,

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and it was really between the two
of them that I learned how to be

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happy in the wild and learned that
that is my original home, that that

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is the home that I belong to, that all of us belonged to,

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And it was such a defining,
inspiring, joyous thing for me as a

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child, and that's what's sort of
driven me all this while. So if

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I have a purpose, it would
possibly be to be able to share with

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people just how much joy and purpose
and passion nature actually brings to each of

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us, and what it means to
be deeply immersed or reconnected with nature in

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a meaningful way. And I think
that today, especially in the world that

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we live in, sort of in
this urban environment, sort of surrounded by

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technology, you know, trapped in
our these fast paced lives where we're just

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trying to get ahead and do things, and everything is commercial and capitalistic,

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and you know, it's all about
getting ahead and getting ahead and getting ahead.

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I think we've kind of forgotten that
we are the human animal, that

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we are nature, and that this
biosphere is our home, and that everything

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that we think we're so clever about, all this technology that we've created,

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these systems that we've both these belief
systems in terms of faith and philosophy that

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we've created, the definitions we give
ourselves, all of it is built on

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a foundation of nature, because that
is who we are. And for me,

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the amount of peace and well being, good health, mental well being,

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just joy and inspiration and hope that
nature gives me every single day.

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You know, to me, it's
very important to be able to share that

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with people in order to at least
get people to look around at the world

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around them, even if it's just
twenty minutes to thirty minutes a week,

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even but to have that much meaningful
connection with that world that birthed you,

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that actually nurtures you. Right now, the only reason that we survive,

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you know, everyb of air that
we breathe, every bit of food that

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we eat, every sip of water
that we take comes from the natural world

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around us. And to kind of
understand that very primal connection that we have

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with nature. So I would say
that that would be my purpose is to

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be able to always sort of tell
these stories so more people can really reach

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out and reconnect in a big way. Yeah, it is profoundly beautiful,

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Swati, And you know in the
work that I do helping people to recognize

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that through our unique lens of purpose, we can see things and do things

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that no one else can see or
do. And it really I really so

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see how really focused your perspective,
your lenses on the world. That opens

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something really special and dynamic, certainly
in me, which is why I wanted

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to have you on the program and
share with you, share you with my

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listeners across the world. You have
a very very specific lens that has been

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developed over the course of your life
that is really specific, and it opens

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something for the rest of us that
we couldn't do without you. Well,

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I you know, to me,
it's kind of like I don't know if

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I did it consciously, So it's
not like I woke up one morning and

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realized that this is what's important and
this is what I had to do.

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As I said, I was very
very lucky that it flowed organically, because

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before I could define many other things
I knew nature. I was all of

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three or even maybe younger when I
started being taken out into nature, and

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I think that is also very key. It's, you know, getting children

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into nature, to get children to
understand how important this world is around them,

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because you know, every child,
and I say this all the time,

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every single child that is born and
this planet is born wild. That's

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why I call my show Born Wild. We are all born wild, and

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that act of birthing, we are
as wild as any wild animal that is

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born. You could be born in
a hospital, technology could help your mother

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deliver you. You could even be
a baby formed in a test tube.

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It doesn't matter. The birthing process
is one of the wildest processes that there

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still are, and when you come
out as that baby, you're as wild

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as anything else. It's life,
and it's the rules that we've made,

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and it's the roles that we choose
that domesticates us in a sense and takes

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that wildness away. And I think
that such a loss to who we are

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as humans. And I think it's
this great nature disconnect. Some great authors

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have called it the sort of the
nature deficiency disorder, you know. I

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find that that is perhaps one of
the biggest reasons for why as humans today

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across the board, across the planet, there is so much fracture, so

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much anxiety, so much depression,
so much uncertainty, fear. It's because

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we've lost sight of what is our
original design, this beautiful feedback loop that

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we had with this wild world around
us, a world that basically opened up

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and said you belong, this is
your home. You know. It's like

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the philosopher Ja Krishnamurti who influenced me
in Rishi Valley and then through my life

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because as you would have read in
the book, my father and uncle Sindharth

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were also very much into the Krishnamurti
philosophy. One of the very profound things

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that he talks about is how the
fundamentals of violence, for example, starts

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in the way we define ourselves.
So the minute I stand up and I

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say I'm an Indian woman Hindu,
you know, doing this or doing that,

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or of brown skin and all of
it, all that language is the

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precursor of violence. Because when I'm
doing that, what I'm doing is I'm

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othering everything else that is out there
in the world. And the minute that

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othering begins, the violence begins and
Christian Ji would always say that that kind

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of definition and holding on to identity, having a needing that identity, came

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from this disconnect that we have with
nature. Because if one thing nature teaches

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you is that we're all children of
this planet, We're all born wild.

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It doesn't matter what race, what
religion, what creed, what philosophy,

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what cost, what country, anything
that we belong to. We are phylum

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cordata, class mammalia, kingdom,
and amalia. We are the human animal.

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So no nation states, no nation
borders, no color, caste,

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race, nothing, nobody can tell
you that you do not belong because you

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belong. This is your home.
You are nature. And I think that

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very very strong fundamental essence that you
get that sense of deep belonging that gives

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you such a foundation and roots.
I think it's incredibly crucial to have that,

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and it worries me when children today
don't have that, and certainly adults

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don't seem to take the time out
to look for it me as well,

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which is a big reason I wanted
to have you on Swati time for a

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short break. I'm your host,
doctor Relise Cortes. We're bound near Swati

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environmental journalist. She is the associate
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Octopus Teacher, and also produced The
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your host, doctor Release Cortes.
So as we continue on here, SWADDI,

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this is such a great conversation,
exactly what I wanted. By the

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way, I want to present some
of the things that you that I got

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from your book, because as you
know, I read it to cover,

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I take great notes. But one
of the things that I that I took

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from it that I thought was so
Chris, is something that you wrote eloquently

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about your uncle who said, for
the near of his end, he said,

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nature is not for the faint of
heart. It is for those who

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want their hearts filled, shaken and
changed. That is so beautiful. Yeah.

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He would always tell me that looking
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yourself a lot better. So that
connection loop is incredibly important. And the

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reason why he would say that it's
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as I said, when you're in
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immersive time in nature in a meaningful
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mirror to who you are. So
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You see a lot of things that
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so they could be preconceived notions about
yourself that will change, preconceived notions about

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the world that will change. Preconceived
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the world that will change. Because
what nature shows you is you in your

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rowist form and life in its rowst
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precious and it's beautiful, and it's
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this one big, throbbing source of
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we're all one. And if in
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or you have notions of as people
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in terms of thinking their religion is
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system is better than someone else's,
or that their race is more superior,

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or that what they're doing is more
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will shatter about those illusions, because
in the face of nature, all you

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are is just yet another being in
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life. And so it's really so
that's what he used to mean. Why

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not for the faint of heart.
It was almost like, can you stand

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up and find your truth? And
you know, can you find your original

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truth? And the way to find
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a lot. And the other thing
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nature, when you feel life all
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around you. You see birth,
you see death, you see hunting,

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you see growth, you see new
leaves, you see new plants, you

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see dyeing trees, you see a
baby bird being born, so much happening

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all around you. It fills you
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a deep sense of connection and empathy. And once that empathy is awakened in

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you, the connection is you don't
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wild or the natural systems, but
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and that empathy just flows. It's
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that nature gives you. And I
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heart being shaken and opened and changed
and challenged. So it's a kind of

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courage to be able to step to
those spaces and say that you know you

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want that change, you want to
open yourself up for that. Yeah,

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ooh, that was so much better
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Thank you for adding that in.
There's one of that was gorgeous.

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That whole other level there for me. And you're right, you know,

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one of the reasons I wanted to
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I share your sentiment that people are
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and they're missing that essential feedback mechanism
and that sense that they're part of something

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much bigger than themselves. So this
notion of reconnecting is important. You do

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that all across your life and all
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But for those of us who don't
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the backyard that you live in,
for example, what kind of a perspective

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what would you offer to the rest
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cities. What is astonishing, firstly
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in a sensity and you're trapped between
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breathing is still coming from the fact
that there is a biodiverse ecosystem out there

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that's created this biosphere that enables for
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live. All the food that comes
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and bees and butterflies and birds and
little animals that go around spreading seeds and

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you know, allowing for agriculture to
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vegetables, whatever it is that you
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world. Even if you're opening a
tap for water, it's not invented by

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the tap. It's not invented by
technology. That water is coming from this

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planet around you, you know.
And that water. What I love about

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water is when it rains. For
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it reminds me of is the fact
that and this I mean living in a

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city, you can step out of
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just that this is not new water.

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It's not new water that is falling
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same water that has existed since the
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is cooled and it became the oceans. It is evaporation from the oceans that

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feeds the lakes and rivers that goes
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of water. So when that rain
drop hits you, it's the same rain

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drop that could have hit a dinosaur
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same water drop that could fall or
be exhaled out by a blue whale.

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leaves millions of years in the past, even before humans or human like species,

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where we weren't even planned by nature
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But it's the same water. That
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system is. So to just even
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when you decide to do anything that
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a little bit of meaningful practice,
just how much nature there actually is and

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what we think is a concrete city
around us. You know, there's still

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trees in parts of the city.
There's still green areas in parts of the

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city. Even if it's just one
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still drawing water out of the soil
that it's stuck in. It's still growing,

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the leaves are still reaching out to
the sky, it is still photosynthesizing,

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it is still converting carbon into oxygen. You know, it could be

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an evergreen tree, which means it's
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It could still be green, or
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And maybe you noticed in the fall
that the colors the leaves change color,

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and that in winter it drops all
of its leaves. You get to know

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the life of this tree, and
maybe watching that tree allows you to see

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what birds come to that tree,
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tree trunk, or what lives in
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So once that you open yourself up
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really looking at life around you and
not separate to you, seeing that you

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are part of that life around you. Automatically, when that curiosity gets kindled,

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and slowly you'll find yourself seeking more. So this pigot, in a

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sense, would be that open up
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on for yourself. Find it.
So to me, it's distressing that children

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today will recognize or see more cars
in one lifetime than they will animals.

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Children will recognize five brands more,
you know, better than they will five

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birds. Children will recognize five celebrities
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five you know, anything that's natural
around them. So what if that became

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the challenge. What if for the
next year, you decided to find five

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trees in your city, five plants
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city, five insects in your city, five animals in your city, Because

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suddenly your city, well what you've
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so much more than just home,
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what becomes or adds to what makes
you feel like you belong, no matter

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where you are, where you could
have come from, or where you could

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have settled down. It's that it's
that wreck deep recognition that makes you feel

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like you belong. So it's that
it's making that effort. It does take

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a little bit of effort, you
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I may have been taken into nature
as a child, and I was

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very very privileged and lucky that that
happened. I'm still very privileged and lucky

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that I have this wilderness on my
doorstep. I completely understand there are people

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around the world who struggle for so
much, from you know, just putting

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food on the table for their children, all the way through to keeping jobs

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or losing jobs or livelihoods. And
I understand that it's a massive, massive

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challenge. And it's so much easier
for me to talk about these things because

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I don't have those challenges, and
I'm completely aware of that and respectful of

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that, and I understand the privilege
that allows me to be saying these things.

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But even within that challenge, for
your own self, for your own

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mental, spiritual, and physical wellbeing, take that curiosity, take that time,

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take that mindfulness, because it's incredibly, incredibly important. M oh Swatty.

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I was going to actually read something
from your book because I think you

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right, is so eloquent and so
artistic and so colorful. But the way

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you just spoke is the way you
write, so never mind, I'm not

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going to read anything. It's just
you already said it out loud. It's

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beautiful, You're welcome, You're welcome, so great to have you here.

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So I want to talk next about
something you write in your book that I

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think is it's astoundingbly important to talk
about, and this is something that you

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talk about in a great lesson that
you learned through the sloth bears and the

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temptation to make the other the problem. I think this is so important,

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and so if you would, if
you will share with us the dilemma of

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conservation and distinguish lifestyle from livelihood and
when it comes to involving the locals,

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especially in conservation efforts. So one
of the sort of I find the big

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tragedies I would say in the modern
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call, actually what other scholars have
called and I and I especially love love

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the word. It's an epistemicide.
So it starts there. We've kind of

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murdered, in a sense, indigenous
knowledge and indigenous wisdoms. We are so

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caught up in how our education works, and how we are modern thinking humans,

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and how our science works and all
of this. We think everything we're

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talking about is some modern new discovery, when actually all of it is rooted

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and embedded in deep indigenous wisdoms.
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wisdoms, discrediting indigenous lives, livelihoods, belief systems, has a great detriment.

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Really, I feel to human progress, the way we live actually and

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what we're doing uh to our to
the world around us that sustains us.

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So that's that would be the that
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mind. So when I in India, especially when I spend time in wilderness,

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and I spend time with a lot
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spend time with a lot of local, very very poor communities that seem to

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from my very privileged educated lifestyle,
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a sense, or a cruel life, because if you take the sloth basis

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I spoke about, it's a group
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who use these bears as dancing bears, and they would, you know,

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make these bears dance. And it
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who would watch these dancing bears and
put money in the hat, if you

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will. And it's a it's a
very difficult life for the bears because a

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lot of them are removed from their
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so it's a kind of poaching.
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and because they grow to become really
big animals that can be quite aggressive and

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violent. Their teeth get taken out, their claws get cut. The rope

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that's in their nose is like a
wound that never heals. So when the

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rope is in there and they tug
on that rope, the pain actually makes

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them respond. So they're dancing because
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from you know, just by when
I'm saying all of this, I'm sure

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for a lot of people, they're
thinking, oh my god, that sounds

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horrible. It sounds like the animal
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how can this practice be? And
that's what I thought when I initially saw

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it. It was when I spent
time with the family, and the whole

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perspective flipped because I saw the elderly
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his bear, and I knew that
that family was pretty much going hungry three

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times a day and they barely had
any food to feed themselves, and whatever

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they had they shared with their bear. They love that bear in their own

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way, in my very comfortable life, the way I will look after my

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dog. You know, for me, everything that's happening to the bear is

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horrible. But their lives are so
hard, so challenging, so cruel in

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a human way, that the capacity
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to be seen from that level of
survival. So they're not inherently cruel.

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They don't plan to be, you
know, hurting that animal. They'll be

408
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shocked if you tell them that you
think that they've been cruel to their animal.

409
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And I can attest to that only
because the minute these this community had

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the opportunity to give up their bears
for a better life where they could then

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start some other profession and they could
send their children to school, and they

412
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could potentially come out of this four
hundred year tradition of having dancing bears,

413
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most of them voluntarily handed in their
bears to that better life so that they

414
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could do something else. Because when
you can't feed your child, it's very,

415
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very difficult to think beyond that.
It's very easy for me to point

416
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.480
my finger and go, oh,
this person is exploiting the environment in this

417
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way, or that person is cutting
trees down, this person is doing that,

418
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But that's because I don't have to
worry about my next meal. There

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are communities around the world whose entire
survival comes down to what they have to

420
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do. And that is what I
call a livelihood challenge. My life,

421
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which I think, I'm so compassionate
and I'm so kind, and I feel

422
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.519
so badly for all of these animals. My life is the lifestyle challenge,

423
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.359
and it's my life that's caused eighty
percent of the problems on this planet.

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The roads that we build, the
linear projects through forests, the habitat that

425
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we've cleared, the steel and mine
that we mine, for the coal that

426
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we mind, for the electricity that
we use, the flying around the world

427
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.039
that we do. You know,
the way that we eat food that could

428
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be flown from thousands of miles away
and packaged and terrible packaging that comes to

429
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.160
me just because it's convenient and I'm
not going to look for an alternative.

430
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.119
You know, all of this stuff, all that technology that I use that

431
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:05.559
is powered by batteries that uses rare
metals that come from rainforests that are being

432
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.400
destroyed so that I can get on
my phone. It's my lifestyle, my

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CONSUMERI is lifestyle. That's actually the
problem. Livelihood has solutions. If someone

434
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:19.079
is doing something just to survive,
you can find a solution for that.

435
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.200
If someone is doing something because it's
convenient and it's a luxury statement. That's

436
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:29.799
a much harder beast to actually deal
with because it means me making a conscious

437
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:35.200
choice and changing who I am to
change my lifestyle, and that's always the

438
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:39.480
bigger challenge. And local communities do
what they have to do simply because they're

439
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:43.599
trying to survive. And in most
parts of the world, and this has

440
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:49.839
been proven by science, most of
the most extraordinary biodiverse habitats that we have

441
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.880
are still in indigenous lands, not
even in protected lands. So this notion

442
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:59.039
that there is someone other like I
point my finger and go he or she

443
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.559
is the problem without doing that and
going I am part of this problem,

444
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.839
and you know I need to step
up and change first, and then you

445
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.880
know we can work together to try
and change things. So this is a

446
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:16.200
very important, big realization that came
to me through the course of my work

447
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:21.880
as a journalist. Is this notion
that I had of me being a conservationist

448
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:27.599
and saving the world. It's so
arrogant because you know, that precludes the

449
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.319
idea that I am part of the
problem, and I constantly am blaming someone

450
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:35.359
else for it, and that just
doesn't work. So, yeah, I

451
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.400
really feel that this is a very
very important thing for most people to know.

452
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:44.640
Eighty percent of the problems on this
planet are in terms of climate change,

453
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.319
in terms of all the big challenges
that we have is seventy companies.

454
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:53.119
But we're all so busy pointing fingers
at each other and fighting with each other

455
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:58.920
and doing all of this that we
forget that we can come together and fight

456
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.279
with our wallets and vote with our
wallets and without opinions and change life for

457
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.039
the better and do something about it. So I think it's this lifestyle and

458
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.920
livelihood was a very very important thing
for me to understand. Yeah, I

459
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.280
completely agree, which is why I
wanted you to talk about it. That

460
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.840
was incredibly important, and it also
showcases what I would say is both empathy

461
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:24.400
and consciousness, my willingness to step
way above these issues and separate the wheat

462
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.199
from the chef, if you will. And I just really that was I

463
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.800
could not let you not talk about
that, So thank you for that,

464
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:34.239
Swati. Time for a short break. I'm your host, Doctor Release Cortes.

465
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.199
We've been on the air with Swati
Theo Garzan, a conservationist, documentary

466
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:42.840
filmmaker, and environmental journalist. She's
the associate producer of the Oscar winning documentary

467
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.239
My Octopus Teacher, and also produced
the Annimal Communicator featuring Anna Breitenbach, who

468
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:52.199
is an interspecies communicator. We've been
talking about her perspective on conservation. After

469
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:53.800
the break, we're going to hear
more about My Octopus Teacher the film.

470
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She is an associate producer of Stay
with Us. We'll be right back.

471
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Doctor Release Cortes is a man consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational speaker

472
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:09.440
and author. She helps companies visioneer
for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose

473
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:16.559
inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that
elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within

474
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.199
the workforce. To learn more or
to invite Elise to speak to your organization,

475
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.599
please visit her at elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about how to get

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00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:37.639
your employees working on purpose. This
is working on Purpose with doctor Elise Cortes.

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00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:43.079
To reach our program today or open
a conversation with Elise, send an

478
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:51.159
email to Elise Alise at elisecortes dot
com. Now back to working on purpose.

479
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.840
Thanks for staying with us, and
welcome back to working on purpose.

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If you're just joining the program today. My guest is Swati Garajan. She

481
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.320
is a core member of the Sea
Change Project in South Africa and an environmental

482
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.800
editor at the Indian television network called
in DTV. She's the author of the

483
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.679
book Born Wild, Journeys into the
Wild Hearts of India and Africa. She

484
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:17.519
joined today from Cape Town, South
Africa. I'm your host, doctor Relie

485
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.280
Cortes, So now I have to
tell you. Of course you already know

486
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.039
this book because we had this great
conversation. But the whole reason we're e

487
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:29.159
been sitting together here, Swati,
is that I found my Octopus teacher last

488
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.480
fall thanks to a friend who know
them all, who knows all about meeting

489
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.880
and purpose. I watched it,
and then I watched it again. I

490
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.239
thought, this is so amazing.
I was having at that time conversations with

491
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:43.639
a woman named Ellie Tahar in New
Zealand. She and I began speaking sometime

492
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:45.440
ago during the pandemic, and she
is just amazing. She's the founder of

493
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:50.079
the Conscious Trader in New Zealand.
And I told her, have you have

494
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:51.960
you seen this film? And She's
like, yes, I have. It's

495
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.559
amazing, And I said, I
want to talk with somebody from that organization.

496
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:57.000
It's so amazing. I want to
somehow connect to bring it to the

497
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.840
world. And she said, true
illy fashion, let me see what I

498
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.159
can do. And she finds you, and she finds you, and the

499
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.960
three of us have this great conversation
one Saturday morning ten am my time in

500
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.320
Dallas that afternoon whenever it was six
being or so your time in South Africa

501
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:15.880
the next morning on Sunday in New
Zealand, and talk about this and I

502
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.119
think it's just so amazing. Right, So that's how this whole magic happened.

503
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.000
So thank you again, Ellie Tohr. So when we go to the

504
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.079
film, I told you when we
first met that one of the big things

505
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:29.679
that I keep going back to this
films, why there's so much in it,

506
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.920
there's so much to take from it, is I keep going back and

507
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:35.519
as I said, I've seen it
eight times now and I will I'll continue

508
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.000
watching it. But the thing that
I took away first and foremost is that

509
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.800
our natural world. For me,
this is what I got is our spirituality.

510
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.760
It's really our ultimate religion in many
ways. And I don't remember what

511
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.480
you and I talked about when I
brought that point to you, But would

512
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.400
you comment on that perspective and if
that's at all close to what you were

513
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:59.000
trying to showcase or how it lands
for you. So I think, really,

514
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:05.920
what's the film? It was kind
of like taking what we really wanted

515
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:10.079
to showcase was connection, and I
think we wanted to showcase love, and

516
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.280
we wanted to showcase how that love
and connection in nature, all three together

517
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:22.480
can save your life, save your
health, you uh the way you are,

518
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.920
because as I said, there's this
whole idea of the nature's mirror.

519
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.280
You know, it holds up this
mirror to you. And I think so

520
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.280
through Craig's personal journey when he was
going through the challenges that he was going

521
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.960
through with burnout and anxiety and depression
and not feeling at the time, because

522
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:39.719
you feel so exhausted when you're going
through those things, and you feel very

523
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:44.000
shut down and you feel like you
can't like you're in this gray space and

524
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:49.239
you can't really reach out and do
things. And I think it, you

525
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.880
know, he for him at that
time, it was important to be able

526
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:58.920
to recharge and reconnect, especially with
his family that was me and my son,

527
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.960
especially his son, and you know, because he had this great relationship

528
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.639
with his kid, but in that
time that in that time and he was

529
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:07.920
feeling what he was feeling, he
didn't feel like he could be a great

530
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:13.599
father, and I think also not
feeling that well physically, and to be

531
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.599
able to go into that environment,
to be able to be in that cold

532
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:19.199
water, and then to have the
experiences that he had, and then to

533
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.360
have that relationship with the octopus,
it just it changed his life. It

534
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.400
changed all our lives, and it
changed how we look at the world because

535
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:30.119
then the big question you have to
ask yourself is if a human can fall

536
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:35.440
in love with a mollusk and a
mollusk can trust a human, then what

537
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.000
other wonderful things are actually possible,
you know, in life and in the

538
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.960
world. And in a way,
I guess if you looked at religion,

539
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:49.360
and religion is something that is just
that gives you a certain mental and spiritual

540
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:54.480
strength, that gives you a kind
of shining thread to hold on to in

541
00:39:54.599 --> 00:40:00.840
the middle of what is a pretty
chaotic world that we've created ourselves and a

542
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.119
pretty chaotic time that we are in
right now with this pandemic. And if

543
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.760
it can give you that foundation,
if it can bring you a certain level

544
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.519
of comfort, if it can make
you believe that things will be okay and

545
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:20.000
that life will go on and that
you just need to have faith and step

546
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.960
forward. If religion can do that
for you, then if you equate that

547
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.159
with what nature does for you,
I think it's pretty similar, because that's

548
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:31.199
really what nature does is it always
fills you with possibilities. It always shows

549
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.320
you that no matter what life finds
a way, it always shows you that

550
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.440
there's so much that is out there
that is so much bigger than you and

551
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:45.239
beyond you. But yet you're still
a very important part of it. So

552
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.239
it's not separate to you, you
know. So again we come back to

553
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:51.920
that sense of belonging, that sense
of connection, that sense of knowing that

554
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:57.480
this is home and that you know, as as bad as things get,

555
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.320
we still have a chance to fix
things to make it better, uh,

556
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:07.400
you know, to come together to
do something in order to just make life

557
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:13.079
for future generations better. Yeah.
So I think that's that's really what the

558
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.280
film was very much trying to say, was that wild places and wild animals

559
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:22.400
are precious, that this is your
true design and true home, and that

560
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:28.639
you belong and that a connection love
is really as cliche as it sounds,

561
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.679
the best way forward. Yeah,
m hmm, Yeah, I got all

562
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.000
of that. It's so beautiful.
And the other thing that I got to

563
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.719
that you're you're that I think you're
speaking to but again I don't want to

564
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.960
put words in your mouth. Is
what I also got from watching your husband

565
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:44.800
Craig interact with it with the octopus
and really just tell her story and help

566
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:49.119
us understand her. Is I got
this beautiful, tender interdependence that we all

567
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.519
have together and maybe that's the connection
you're talking about. And actually ultimately this

568
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.960
this large ultimate intelligence of the universe
that we all are part of and that

569
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.280
we we are impact to buy it, and that we also impact and effect.

570
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:06.760
That was also very present for me. No, absolutely, so,

571
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:12.239
you know, just in my own
life, Like so when I'm in a

572
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.920
really good space and I'm feeling strong
and healthy and I'm in a very good

573
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:21.519
mental state and I'm out in nature, that's what comes right back at me.

574
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.639
You know, all of the beauty, the wonder the blooming flowers,

575
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.960
the ocean, the water, the
waves, the animals. I mean,

576
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.480
that's what I feel. And I
see there are days when I'm not in

577
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:37.119
that great a mood, and I'm
not feeling so good, and I'm not

578
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.639
feeling maybe physically world, and I
find it much harder to adapt to the

579
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:45.360
cold and to be in circumstances that
may not be physically very comfortable. It

580
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.800
could be raining, it could be
windy, it could be too hot,

581
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.039
and those things sort of crowd into
my mind and I find it harder to

582
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.320
be in the moment. But again, that's the beauty with natures that she

583
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.440
does to be. And then you
have to push yourself past those things,

584
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:07.360
and then again you come back to
that reset and that healing, because to

585
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:12.599
be in nature is to be very, very very present. You have to

586
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:17.840
pay attention to this moment. You
cannot be caught up in stuff that's happened.

587
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.480
You cannot be projecting into stuff that's
going to happen. You can't be

588
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:24.960
running lists through your head about what
you're going to do today, or what

589
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:28.840
tasks you have left, or what
deadlines you have to meet, or what

590
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.280
challenges that there are, or just
in general, oh my god, the

591
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:37.239
world is a mess. If you
do all of that, you're going to

592
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.719
actually, in many, many situations, put yourself in danger. So in

593
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:45.480
the ocean, for example. I
need to be absolutely connected to the waves,

594
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.199
to the water, to the animals
that I'm seeing, to the forest

595
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.920
that I'm in, and I have
to be completely one hundred percent engaged to

596
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:58.679
be aware of my surroundings. And
that kind of connection, that deep engagement

597
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:02.760
where there's nothing else clos your brain, is a beautiful, beautiful flow.

598
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.400
I guess it's what a lot of
people can do with meditation, for example,

599
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.719
and for me, it works in
nature in that way, in a

600
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.800
more profound way, I feel like
in nature. So that is sort of

601
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:21.880
like the connection that I'm talking about, which is like it's so nurturing,

602
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.360
it's so healing because even if,
as I said, for fifteen minutes a

603
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.599
day, you can quiet everything else
that's going on with you and just be

604
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:34.559
in the moment and just feel and
be present and be aware of your breath

605
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.840
and your body and your skin and
what you're seeing and life around you,

606
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:45.119
it is incredibly healing. Yeah,
And I wonder what you've taught me so

607
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.079
much already, just in your book
and watching The Animal Communicator and certining my

608
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.559
Octopus Teacher, and another thing that
you said in one of our conversations,

609
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.320
I guess the one conversation we had
is you use this wachuser to be a

610
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:01.760
very alluring term called biological sentience,
And I wonder if that's partly what you're

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talking about here too, this awareness
and such. But I also wonder if

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it's if there's something about this ability
is untapped or maybe not usually spoken about,

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ability for us as beings to be
able to understand and sense each other.

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Help us understand this great phraise.
So every thing, all life is

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sentience. All the plants that we
see, all the animals that we meet,

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everything is deep sentience. It has
deep sentience. So when I made

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my Animal Communicator, the movie The
Animal Communicator, it was the extreme of

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what a human can do with that
sentience. You know, the way Anna

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is able to communicate with animals directly
and get messages back from them directly.

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That is the extreme form of that
sentience for a lot of us. Unless

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we spend a lot of time in
wilderness and train and learn to trust our

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intuition and spend the kind of time
that Anna has spent in wilderness her life

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dedicated doing what she does, of
course, it's going to be much harder

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to either believe in that level of
direct communication or be able to do it

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even if we believe, because it's
all practice. At the end of the

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day, you just get better with
practice. But what is fact is the

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fact that the sentience exists. You
know that a tree when it's being nibbled

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on by a giraffe, when it's
being over nibbled on, for example,

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that will automatically release stannin into its
leaves to make the leaves bitter so that

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the giraffe will stop eating it.
Now, one tree doing that, you

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can say it's a biological defense.
What's that got to do with sentience?

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You know, that could be just
survival mechanism built into the tree so it

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doesn't get grazed down to a numb. But it's not just that one tree.

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Every other tree in that line of
trees in that grove, in that

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forest will release stannin because they know
the minute the giraffe stops eating on this

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one, it's going to move to
the next and the next, and they

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all release stannin. How do they
know? Fig trees, you know in

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India, for example, that feed
the hornbills in seasons where the rains aren't

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going to be enough, or it's
going to be a dry season. The

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same tree of the same sexual maturity, which should all be flowering and blooming

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and fruiting at the same time,
will stagger their fruiting so that the birds

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have enough food to eat for the
entire season. And the reason for that,

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of course, is also biological,
and that these are the birds that

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eat the fruit and then disperse the
seeds, So it's also the survival of

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the tree is built into that.
But how do they all know and how

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do they stagger it so beautifully that
some of them fruit now, and then

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the next lot fruit, and then
the next lot fruit. And the fact

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is that they do that when they
know there's going to be a struggle and

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not a very nourishing season for them
to fruit through the entire season without the

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good rains. How do they know? That these are trees? And then

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we know they're scientists who've done wonderful
work with the whole fungal network and the

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roots of tree systems, a hidden
life of trees. You know, the

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mother tree and how she nourishes trees
around her. How trees around a dead

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and dying tree will continue feeding nutrients
to that tree to keep it alive.

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How by cutting one tree that we
think is just a tree in a grove,

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we could actually be killing the grove
if we've cut down the mother tree,

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who has all the knowledge and all
the intelligence and all the biological experience

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of three four hundred, five hundred
years that she might have lived in that

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forest. So it is, and
I'm talking and I'm mentioning trees a lot,

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because it's easier to believe, perhaps
that animals are more sentient. Any

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one of us who've had cats,
dogs, any pet, you know,

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we know that there is a personality
there. We know that there is intelligence,

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intelligence there. You can't deny it. It just you know. So

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when I'm talking about trees, I'm
trying to explain it to people as in,

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so sentience is in life around you
and what that sentience should do.

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So you just tread on this world
with a lot more compassion. Swatty,

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that is just beautiful. We are
out of time, but I want to

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give you the chance to be able
to say in fifteen seconds or you want

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to leave us with I guess just
that you know, just remember this,

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you belong. You're a child of
this planet. You're the human animal,

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you are nature. It is not
separate to you. This beautiful biosphere that

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we live in, which enables us
to survive, survives because of biodiversity.

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Today the loss of biodiversity is at
a staggering, staggering rate. And so

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educate yourselves. You know, every
day that you wake up in the morning,

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every choice that you make can make
a difference. So I guess it's

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as doctor Jane Goodall says, what
kind of difference are you going to make?

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Because you are impacting things and you
are making a difference, or choose

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you know wisely, I would say
that that's really important. And I know

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we always say we only live once
and we should go out and do stuff,

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but actually the fact is you die
once, as a very great man

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said, but you live every day, and every day you have that choice

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and that opportunity to make a difference. Yeah, Swaddy, what a beautiful

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way to finish Roman and Andri.
As we say in Tamil, thank you

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very much for being my guest.
It's so be a very welcome Thank you,

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and this version viewers of you,
thank you and all learn you're welcome.

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Swanti, so beautiful. Thank you
for just filling my cup all day

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and year. If you want to
learn more about Swanty and the amazing work

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that she's doing. Maybe the best
way to find her is just going to

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the Sea Change project dot com.
That might be the easiest way to get

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