MomPowerment: Women Working Part-Time to Balance Career and Family

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host Elise Cortes. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration from those
people who have found deeper meaning and

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personal connection to their work life.
It's beyond nine to five. It's working

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on Purpose. Now Here is your
host, Elise Cortes. Welcome back to

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the Working at Purpose OW. Thanks
for tuning again this week. I'm your

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host, Elise Cortes, joining you
from Dallas, Texas, which is home

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base for me. This program is
all about helping people more meaningfully and productively

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connect with their work and equipping organizations
to do the same for their employees.

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I bring on guests. You have
a particular perspective or experience that I think

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expands the conversation about meaningful and productive
work, and I often draw on the

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meeting work research I've been doing over
the last fifteen years, as well as

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my own experience consulting, including the
work that I do today at Insignium,

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which is a global management consulting firm. I'll get to the program in jess

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Thank you jobing dot com great partnership. Last week, if you missed

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us, we were on the air
with Isaac Alfton, who is the founder

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and CEO of Trigger Give, an
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and just what this lifelong entrepreneur has
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With us this week is Suzanne Brown, who is a strategic marketing and

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business consultant, a TEDEX speaker,
an expert on, an advocate for professional

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part time working moms, and author
her book Mompowerment Insights from successful professional part

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time working Moms who balance career and
family. Is outside soon or soon to

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be out one of those who we'll
find out here We'll be talking about how

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she empowers moms to think differently about
their career approach and guides moms on their

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journey to change their career model using
her own experience and research and stories,

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insights and advice from more than one
hundred and ten interviews with professional part time

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working moms. Suzanne joined us today
from Austin, Texas. Susanne, Welcome

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to Working on Purpose. I am
thrilled to be here. Thank you so

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much for having me. Isn't it
fun? So first things first, let's

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clarify. Is the book out or
is it about to be out? The

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book is out. It's very recently
launched, but it is out birthed.

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I love it. Congratulations it to
that. I haven't done mine yet,

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as you know, we've spoken about
that, but you and several of my

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other friends have done this, and
I know just what an accomplishment it is,

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and I really I want to tell
you how much I admire and applaud

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what you've done. Congratulations, Suzanne, thank you, thank you so much.

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You're welcome so well. Before we
get into what you learned by interviewing

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all those time working moms, will
you tell us what led you to actually

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begin the research and the book condition
why study this area? So I became

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a mom about six and a half
years ago. Our older son was born,

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and I actually transitioned to a part
time role at the large company that

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I was working for, So the
book, in my experience is at really

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large marketing agencies. And about a
year after he was born, I transitioned

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to working for myself, so basically
becoming a full time entrepreneur. And I

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had had a side hustle for about
thirty years at that point, and while

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I was working for that company and
then I was working as an entrepreneur,

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I would get these questions on a
regular basis about how do you do this,

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how do you convince your employer,
how do you continue to find work,

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how do you deal with balance?
Like all of these questions from some

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of my other either mom friends or
friends who are about to depend mom.

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And I was having coffee with a
good friend who at the time worked part

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time, and I get these cushions
all the time too, and so I

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said, well, I'm going to
find a resource and that way we can

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just send people there and it'll be
good. It'll you know, we'll have

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a great spot to send people.
And I looked a lot. I looked,

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and I tried all kinds of different
ways to find a resource, and

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there's not one. You know,
there are definitely resources on working part time,

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but not specifically on a professional part
time role. And so I said,

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well, I'll just create one,
not really knowing what I was taking

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on, but that's okay, I'm
going to make it happen kind of gal

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And so I didn't really know what
I was creating at the beginning, and

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so I just started talking to other
women who other moms who were working part

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time in professional roles, and I
realized, Okay, what I really need

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to do is write a book.
And that way it's more of a kind

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of one stop shop. You can
get all the information you need instead of

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oh, let me do an online
resource and then you have to do this,

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and you can get this here,
and then you've got to go over

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there for something else. So it's
like literally, you pick up a book,

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you get all the information, you
get to hear the other stories,

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and it just kind of all came
together. But it was a long time

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coming. I mean I researched for
like silly years before I even started writing,

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So it took a while It was
not a quick, like, oh

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sure, let me just do this
in six months kind of thing. So

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I it was People describe it as
birthing a baby, and I can tell

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you I would not have had a
second child if I would have carried my

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first for four years, like there's
just no way. But it was worth

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running, you know. But but
it was a long It took a lot

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of time and energy to find one
hundred and ten professional part time working women

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across the nation in all kinds of
different roles who could really speak to being

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successful. I got that, I
think you and I talked about the fact

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that I interviewed a similar number of
people for my Modes of Engagement research when

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I was looking to see how people
found meaning in their work. So it

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was about one hundred and fifteen people
and I and that wasn't even just people

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that were successful, it was just
they had to be in certain twenty different

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kinds of professions. And I really
understand the energy you're talking about. It

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was tremendous. So and I haven't
read a book yet, So yours is

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yours just out in mind's not?
So let not let's not forget that A

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lot of things Susanne. Yeah,
it's coming though, it's coming, right,

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That's right, it is coming because
you and my other friends are like,

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come on, Cortez, figure it
out. It's not like people put

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these kinds of things on their resume, you know, and it's done on

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their LinkedIn profile. So you actually
want to have those meaningful conversations. And

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I found those women through other women, you know. I've found those moms

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through other part time working moms more
than half, and so it just it

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took time. It took lots and
lots of time. Snowball effects are the

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snowball approach, as they say in
research. Yees, all right, so

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let's do this really quick, Suzanne. I just want to make sure that

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our listeners also understand a bit more
about your world and what you do professionally.

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So you've written this book, but
you also are a businesswoman, a

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strategic marketer, and a business consultant. So what kinds of things do you

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do in your work? So I
do high level marketing for more than anything

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seasoned entrepreneurs. So I help them
with if they're looking at a product and

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they're like, Okay, I think
I can go into this other market by

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just kind of tweaking a product or
service. Is there really a market potential

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based on what I have or I'm
going to am I going to have to

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make major changes? So I can
look at market opportunity or write business plans,

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do a really kind of nitty gritty
competitive analysis, or I can do

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a three hundred and sixty degree review
of marketing because a lot of times when

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my clients come to me, part
of their challenge is marketing based, and

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so I can look at what they're
actually doing in the marketplace and figure out

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what are some of the changes.
And then I work with larger companies to

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help them work better with their marketing
agencies. Since I have more than a

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decade of experience working on the agency
side, so I can be a bridge.

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Awesome thank you for that. I
wanted to make sure that our listeners

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kind of understood your overall what you
were up to in life, if you

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will, beyond writing this book and
contributing that, I knew there was a

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lot more happening too, so I
wanted to be sure and presence that for

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listeners. All right, So the
next thing I want to get to if

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we can as we start thinking,
I'm sure that there are listeners here that

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are catching this and there may be
either considering going into a part time in

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other words, redo seeing from a
full time to a part time or maybe

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they are currently full time moms and
they want to go back out there somehow

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and be part time professional mom.
So what do women need to consider before

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going part time and work? So
if you're going from that I work full

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time and I want to work part
time, it's a little bit different than

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if you are a stay at home
mom and you're wanting to get back in.

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So I'll start by talking about if
you are trying to reduce your schedule.

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Okay, the most important thing is
to really think through what is your

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motivation and the reason why. I
wrote a whole chapter on this, but

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the reason why you start with,
and it's not just the superficial why,

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it's really kind of understanding the why
of your why of your why. You

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know you want to be able to
ask that question several times because whatever your

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motivation is, part time might not
be the solution. It might be that

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it's time for you to become an
entrepreneur. It might be that what you

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really need is flexibility and working part
time not going to give you the flexibility

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that you need. Do you need
to see what's driving your desire to make

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a change, And that's really kind
of the beginning of that conversation, and

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then understanding the implications of if you
do decide that part time is a good

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solution based on your motivation, but
if you are a stay at home mom

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and you want to go back into
the workforce, it's a little bit different.

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And the thing that I actually recommend
is not to go back into the

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workforce when it's to start planning before
you're ready. So if you want to

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go back on June first of next
year, you need to start having conversations

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and start figuring out what are you
lacking. Do you need to brush up

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on skills? Are there things in
general that you need to adjust. Do

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you maybe want to go into a
different industry or a different maybe a different

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role in your same industry, and
you need to do Basically, you need

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to brush up on new skills,
right, you need to brush up on

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old skills and then create new ones. But if you say, well,

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I'm going to go back into work
and I'm going to do that on December

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first, and you've done no prep, it's going to be really really hard.

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So you want to have basically time, you want to set yourself up.

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And the moms who I did interview
who went from being stay at home

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to going back into the workforce,
they started having conversations at either six or

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nine or twelve months before they actually
went back into the workforce, and that

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can be something that you you know, some moms might struggle with that because

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it's like, well, I'm ready, and you want to actually prepare before

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you're ready, so that when you
are ready, you're like going like you

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can make it happen instead of constantly
stumbling, you know, because it can

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be hard, especially if somebody's been
out of the workforce for ten twelve years.

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It's not as easy as just a
light switch of like, Okay,

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I'm ready to go back in,
so I'm going back in. You're reminding

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me, Suzanne, I would be
of the variety of going from full time

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to more of a part time capacity
when I had my daughter in March February

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of two thousand and three, and
that is really when I put my shingle

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out there to be a sole propriety
to be an entrepreneur, and I began

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offering really learning and development work and
employee engagement, leadership development, stuff like

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that. And it was absolutely because
at the time my ex husband worked full

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time. He was a consultantly traveled
Sunday through Friday night kind of thing.

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I felt like somebody had to be
home and I figured that was me,

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that was who's left. And that's
kind of what drove me into that part

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time professional mom, working capacity and
entrepreneurship. So you're reminding me very much,

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and I wish I would have been
more thoughtful about that. It was

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the right path for me, but
it was rocky. It was a rocky

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start. Going into entrepreneurship in general
is tough. You know, it is

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a it's a long it's the long
term. It's not like, oh,

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let me just go do this for
two months and then I can just go

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work part it and then I can
go work for a company again. You

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know. It is in order to
really develop your business as an entrepreneur,

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you have to think about it over
the long term. And yes, you

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read stories of like, oh,
on my first launch, I made a

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million dollars, but the reason why
you hear those stories is because they are

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rare. That's not the normal way
that most entrepreneurs actually it's not the way

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that their business normally develops. I
really get that, trust me. Yeah,

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I'm I was shy a lot of
zeros from a million. Let me

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tell you when I first started to
shry a lot of zeros, Suzanne,

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I think, here's another thing that
people don't necessarily think about. And this

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is something that that I heard kind
of over and over again, because I

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interviewed about sixty two percent of the
women I interviewed worked for somebody else,

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so small or large business, and
then about thirty eight percent were entrepreneurs.

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And some of them were solopreneurs,
and some of them actually had businesses where

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they had employees. But regardless,
it was very interesting to hear them say,

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it doesn't matter if you have five, ten, or twenty years of

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experience in an organization. As soon
as you hang your shingle, you basically

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go to zero. So because you
have no experience as an entrepreneur, so

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you not only have to show your
expertise, you have to prove that you

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are legit as you know, as
an entrepreneur on top of that, and

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that can be a hard thing to
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becoming an entrepreneur. No question.
Yeah, there was definitely a period of

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time that I had to work to
prove myself and to bolster what I could

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offer to the marketplace, no question
about that. And I'm so glad I

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did it. And along the way, I wish I would have learned from

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a few more girls. I wish
I would have done what you did SU's

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end by just reaching out and asking
people what they knew and what they learned

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and what could I learn from their
experience? And to that end, one

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of the things I also wanted to
ask you about, and I got a

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little bit of this in last week's
show when I was talking with Isaac because

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he's a young entrepreneur too and grew
up in that space. But one of

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the things I know you talk about
is that we can learn something from the

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generations about what it means and how
part time working mom or motherhood actually shows

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up for people. What have you
learned about gazing across the generations? So

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I actually I did a whole chapter
on the generational side of things because I

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thought it was a really important element
to include. So you have essentially three

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generational elements at play literally right now. So the first is that you have

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baby boomers that are starting to retire, and the really scary number is ten

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thousand baby boomers turn retirement age every
day and this will continue for at least

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like another ten years. So this
is huge, right, And the reality

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is they're not all going to walk
out at the same time like that.

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That isn't going to happen because they
are not retirement ready. So depending on

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the report or the study that you
look at, as seen that only like

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twenty five percent or up to maybe
forty percent feel that they are ready for

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retirements. But the reality is there
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right. So that's the baby Boomers, and that kind of sets up other

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things in an interesting way. And
then you have gen X and gen X

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is it's a very interesting generation because
they are not very vocal and they are

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book ended by two really big generations, so the baby Boomers and the millennials

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are really big. So it's basically
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and gen X is in the middle, right, yep, and gen X

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is. Gen X has a little
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they are they're more black and white, and it's more of a boundary of

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I'm going to work my tail end
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and I don't actually want to hear
from you until tomorrow morning when I'm

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back in this office, Like I'm
not interested in working after hours. I'm

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going to work like crazy, and
then I want to go spend time with

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my family, and I barely even
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But it's interesting because that in part
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were, you know, and I'm
a gen xer, so it was fascinating

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to hear about my own generation.
They are the first generation to have working

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parents, both working parents, and
they saw kind of what their lives were

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like, and they said, I
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they are much more protective of their
time than baby boomers and millennials and they

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and they simply don't want this kind
of life for their kids. But the

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other thing that's the challenge is they're
getting sandwiched, so they are taking care

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of their families and with working moms, they're trying to maintain their careers on

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track, and now they're having to
take care of those aging baby boomers,

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right, So they're getting sandwiched between, so they have a lot going on.

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But these are the women who literally
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So they're the ones who got pumping
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started the concept of work life balance. So they started all of these initiatives,

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and they're actually very important about two
continuing those conversations and really to kind

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of keep taking charge of things.
Perfect you hold on. Then let's go

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for a quick break. I want
to make sure and get that fully treated

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when we come back from the break. I'm Alice Cortez, your host.

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We run the air with Suzanne Brown, who is a strategic marketing and business

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consultant. She is a ted X
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to being, what she's learned.
After the break, we'll learn more about

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Purpose. Thanks for staying with us, and welcome back to Working on Purpose

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if you're just tuning in. My
guest is Suzanne Brown, who is a

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strategic marketing and business consultant, tedex
speaker, and an expert and advocate for

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professional part time working moms. Also
an author. Her book Mompowerment Insights from

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Successful Professional part time working Moms who
balance career and family empowers moms to think

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differently about their career approach and guides
moms on their journey to change their career

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model, using her own experience and
research and stories, insights and advice from

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more than one hundred and ten interviews
with professional working part time moms. I'm

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your host, Alise Cortes. So
before the Breakssanne, you're just finishing your

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conversation about the generations and you're starting
to chat about millennials. Can you pick

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up where you left off? Sure? So millennials have a totally different approach.

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I won't lie. Gen X struggles
with us on a regular basis,

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and so they blur their lines between
work and homes and so they they want

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work life integration. They and it
didn't really happen because they became parents.

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That's just how they walked into the
workforce. And that can be something that's

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very frustrating to gen X because they
wonder like, am I really getting your

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best effort here? Am I really
getting your best time and energy? And

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the reality is we are. They
just look at time and the lines are

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very fuzzy. But the other thing
that's interesting is that they look at technology

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as a way to enable them to
make everything happen right, So you are

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still going to get the same amount
of time and energy from them. It's

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just going to be over a longer
part of the day. But these are

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this is the generation that is starting
to become They're starting to become others,

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and so I'm very curious to see
what's going to happen as they walk into

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the land and of motherhood where they
might need a little bit more of designed

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boundaries. But they're also becoming managers, so they might be much more willing

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to have the flexibility or to fail
back on time and to allow their employees

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to do that as they want to
do that. So I think that millennials

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are actually going to make a huge
impact. I imagine that they will make

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a huge impact in what work life
balance looks like because it's just fundamental to

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who they are. I agree with
you, Susan. In fact, I

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tell my students at so their Methodist
University, that they really represent a very

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large workforce number, as you said
before, and that they have the ability

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to go in and really change the
landscape of the workplace because of their sheer

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numbers and because they are going to
be you know, as time goes on

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pushing out the boomers just over time
and certainly eventually the Gen xers I completely

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agree with you. It's going to
change a landscape for us. I can't

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wait. Yeah, I meet you. Let's bring it. Come on,

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millennials, step up, exactly,
get going. Well, let's talk next

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if we can about the benefits and
the challenges of working part time. I

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know that you've learned a lot about
each of these areas, Suzanne, so

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start with maybe a few key benefits, if you will, of being a

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professional part time work and mom.
Well, even though it wasn't when I

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specifically asked a question about benefits,
but without asking that specific question, the

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thing that most came up was time
with family. So that was even though

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they didn't describe it as a benefit, that was the thing that they were

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looking for. But when they actually
started talking about when I asked the specific

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question, the kinds of things I
heard were things like flexibility. I have

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more flexibility and so I'm able to
actually manage my calendar a lot better.

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Or I have balance and so I
can focus on my life and I can

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focus on my career, and I
have control over those thing. So there

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was definitely an element of control which
I can certainly relate to. And there

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were things as well, like I
continue to contribute financially because a lot of

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the women who I spoke with were
high performers, and so walking away from

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your career is really hard, you
know where it's literally like I've been rocket

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and roll out of my career.
I've become a mom and then everything s

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just off. That's a really hard
thing to do. And so they talked

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about contributing financially, about having having
a maintaining their personal identity outside of being

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a mother, because these were people
who these were These were women who had

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careers and they had goals, and
they were achievers before they became moms,

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and so they loved that they were
a to have a foot in both worlds.

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Still am engaged in my career and
I get to be the mom that

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I want to be, And I
would completely relate to that, so far,

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by the way, Susan, I
can completely relate to that. Sorry,

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go ahead. And then the one
thing that I did want to mention

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from the research that I did,
so not from the conversations that I had,

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but from the actual research that I
looked at studies and what professors had

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done analysis on, is that part
time working moms are happier and there's a

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lot behind that. But what was
really interesting is that this study talked about

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having the right amount of time with
their children and with their significant other,

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which was not too little and not
too much. And I thought it was

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really interesting to hear the not too
much part because you know, so many

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of us are like, oh,
I want to spend hours upon hours with

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my children, and it's like,
well, hold on working per time,

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let's you do that, but it's
not all of your time. And that

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I found it just fascinating to see
that literally part time working moms are happier.

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That that was such an interesting surprise. You know, I did not

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expect to hear that, So,
Sin, I want to make sure I

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really understand what you're saying there.
So they're happier. So, but the

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part time professional working moms are happier
than full time moms or just or stay

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at home moms. Is that what
you mean? Then both? Then both?

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Yeah, okay, that's what I
thought. I wanted to make sure

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that we were we were distinguishing them. Okay, moms happier than stay at

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home moms because there is that element
of part of their time goes to something

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else. So that's why it's not
too little and not too much with your

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family in general, you know,
with your significant other and with your children,

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and so it was just it was
so interesting because I think for some

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of us that's counterintuitive of like,
oh, I get to spend more time

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with my kids, therefore I'm going
to be happier. And it's like,

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well, there is a point where
that actually starts to go down, even

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though you might not want to admit
it. Got that. I got that.

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Yeah, Okay, any other important
benefits. I want to make sure

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we get to the challenges too,
But any other benefits that you want to

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make sure in presence for us,
I think those are the ones that came

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up the most often and that I
think are most relatable. M h,

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you know, I can tell you. For me, I'll go back to

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just really quick. When I was
in that space of really being more of

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a part time person, a part
time professional working mom, definitely I felt

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like I could have it all.
That's kind of what it felt like at

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the time. I was going to
my daughter's school events. I was active

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in her school at usually some kind
of a leadership role in the community,

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which gave me leadership experience and developed
my leadership acumen. I was social,

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I had fun on vacation. I
was really enjoying the work that I did,

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but wasn't consumed by it. I
was making money and contributing to the

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family all those things. And so
I do really understand what you're saying.

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It was and it was easier than
probably what I'm doing now, which is

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uber full time and being great.
And you make a really good point.

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You know, when I talk about
going part time, it doesn't make things

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easy, but it does make things
easier because you get to do more of

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the stuff you want to do that
you're normally rushing through your week, and

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then you have to fill in the
weekend in like every little look and pranny

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of time, and so you just
you have more ability to make it look

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the way that you want and you
can fit in all the things. Yeah,

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that's exactly right, exactly right.
So it's it's a really good chunk

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of time and memory for me.
So thank you for letting me be present

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and going down memory lane for that. It was a good time for me.

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What about the challenges, Suzanne,
What are the challenges related to being

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a professional part time work and mom. So this is another one of those

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things that I dedicated a whole chapter
two because I would be remiss to only

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talk about the good and not talk
about any of the bad or any of

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the things that you have to think
about as you are potentially making this transition,

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And so I won't go into the
specific challenges, but I want to

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talk about kind of the areas that
these challenges fall under. So, for

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example, productivity looks different when you
go to work part time. And this

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is not only is it a shift
in litterally and how you look at your

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time, but in some ways it's
a mind shift. You have to think

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about your time differently because you have
to get a lot done in less time,

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especially from a career perspective. And
it might even be that you say

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to your employer, I'm going to
work thirty two hours even though you're not

421
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going to take anything off my plate. So how do you get a full

422
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:07.039
time job done in thirty two hours? So that's one kind of area.

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The next one is a financial and
a lot of people think when you if

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you're going to cut your time,
you're going to get a cut in salary.

425
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And I will tell you that that
was not the case with a lot

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of the conversations that I had.
So in that case that I just mentioned

427
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of I'm going to do I'm going
to work thirty two hours, but I'm

428
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going to do a full time job, that person didn't necessarily get a pay

429
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:36.640
cut. But if you are in
a situation where you do get a pay

430
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cut, that could be a financial
challenge. You know, it's like,

431
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all, I used to make busy
thousand dollars and now I only make thirty

432
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five. Well that you're going to
have to make those adjustments with your family

433
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budget. How do you look at
vacation? You can you afford to do

434
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all the things that you have to
do? Are or are there changes that

435
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you need to make? Are there
things that you need to think about from

436
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:07.480
the perspective of you know, do
we need to make lifestyle changes? Now

437
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.079
it's not always the case, but
it could be, and that might be

438
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:15.039
one of the things you need to
prepare for if your company does cut your

439
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:21.960
salary. I will suggest that you
not have that as your initial conversation with

440
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.880
you with your employer, but if
that ends up being the result, then

441
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:31.000
you need to be prepared for it. There are areas related to household and

442
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:38.079
child's care duties so how do you
divide labor in your household? So you

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00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:43.599
know, cooking, cleaning, tiding
up around the house. Just because you

444
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:47.720
work part time doesn't necessarily mean that
you have to take on all of that,

445
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unless that's a conversation that you have
and you take on ownership of all

446
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:58.400
of that. But that can be
a struggle, and it can be I

447
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.240
certainly talk to moms who who said, well, I took on more because

448
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.960
I wasn't working as much. And
the vast majority of moms that I talked

449
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:15.039
to had more household and childcare duties
that those women who it was like,

450
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.280
nope, we are fifty to fifty. It was amazing to hear how they

451
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.559
talked about it. I mean it
was like, of course, we're fifty

452
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.760
fifty. Who cares that I'm working
part time? But it might be a

453
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.800
change that you have to make and
a challenge that you have to overcome if

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00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:35.000
you have been more of a fifty
to fifty household. And then the final

455
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.840
one that I'll talk about is there
is an unknown element to what you're doing,

456
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:45.079
so you might it might not work. You know, you might say,

457
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.159
Okay, I'm gonna go work part
time and it ends up being a

458
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:52.599
terrible experience, or your role changes
so much that you think this is a

459
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.079
nightmare, like I can't do this. I'm going to have to go back

460
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.159
to work full time, or I'm
just going to have to leave the workforce.

461
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:05.800
A lot of things that change if
it doesn't work, or you know

462
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.079
what happens if you say, okay, well I'm only going to do this

463
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:14.400
for five years, and that five
year mark hits and you think, I

464
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:15.719
don't only want to do this for
five years, like this is how I

465
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:21.400
want to manage my career moving forward. Are there long term changes that you

466
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.440
have to make, like will that
impact retirement or will your company say to

467
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.800
you after five years, all right, here's the deal, you're coming back

468
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.039
to work full time. When we
had this conversation, so this is a

469
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:37.840
five year thing. Five years is
up, like let's move on. So

470
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it's unknown, you know, And
part of it is you just have to

471
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.599
test it out and see how things
go and see what things make sense.

472
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.280
But for some people that can be
hard. You know, for some women

473
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.920
who are really good at being in
charge and in control, you kind of

474
00:35:53.960 --> 00:36:00.280
give a little bit of that control
away when it comes to what we'll happen

475
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.800
over the long term. You know
what I'm getting from this, Suzanne,

476
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.559
is it seems like what you're saying
is that if you're going to go into

477
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.440
this space of being a professional part
time working mom, you got to step

478
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:15.039
into a fluid space. Is that
fair exactly? Yes? Okay, yeah,

479
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.880
yeah, definitely an element of flexibility
of you know, and it might

480
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.880
be that opportunities come along that you
say, Okay, I said I only

481
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.719
wanted to work twenty four hours,
which is essentially like a three day work

482
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.440
week, but this opportunity has come
up and I need to go back,

483
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.239
I need to do thirty two.
So what do we need to do in

484
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.519
order to let me have a four
day work week? You know? Or

485
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:43.079
it might be that you have another
baby and you're like, okay, so

486
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.199
I'm not going to work four days. I'm only going to work three.

487
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:51.000
So yeah, you have to have
that luid side and just you have to

488
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.880
think about things from a flexible way, but you still have to have your

489
00:36:53.880 --> 00:37:00.440
boundaries. So it's kind of like
a balancing those two things. Mm hmm.

490
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.679
It's also striking me that you probably
have to get pretty good at being

491
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.159
able to enroll other people in your
life to help. And I know we're

492
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going to talk a bit more after
we get through with this break about how

493
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.320
we handle time and such. That's
going to be an important thing for me

494
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.159
to focus on. But would you
say a bit about that? Is there

495
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.880
have you learned and through your research, through your own experience that you get

496
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.880
to be a master en roller of
others in your life to make this work.

497
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:30.199
It is your tribe and that's essentially
how I described and to your friends.

498
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.760
It can be your babysitter or or
a part time nanny, or your

499
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.639
housekeeper, like the people who enable
you to be who you want to be.

500
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Your tribe is incredibly important. There
is not enough There aren't enough words

501
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:52.159
to explain how important those people are. And as I've talked to, as

502
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:59.159
I've spoken to some single mothers since
writing this book, it's even more important

503
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:04.719
if you if you don't have the
support of a significant other, because these

504
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:08.639
are the people who you lean on, and it's for things like childcare or

505
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:15.159
for those moments of doubt, or
when you have a tremendous success. I

506
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.719
mean, to some extent you can
you concelebrate that with your kids, but

507
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.679
it's whether you're single or you're in
a relationships like having other people to boost

508
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:28.440
you up and to celebrate those things
that are amazing, and when you have

509
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.360
those moments of doubt, to be
able to talk to somebody who's kind of

510
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:36.000
you in your same shoes, to
be able to say, Okay, all

511
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.320
right, so let's talk about some
other perspectives or this is amazing, you

512
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:45.800
know, and not just put all
of that on your siblings or your significant

513
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.920
other or you know, so you
need a tribe to tribe is stow key

514
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.239
in all of that, I would
agree and a great hold on for that,

515
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.320
because we're gonna go for a break. But let me just quickly echo

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that as a divorced full time working
mom, I've gotten exceptional at just anybody.

517
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.639
Hey you, I need your help
stat over here now. I'm your

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host, Elise Cortez. We've got
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is a strategic marketing and business consultant, tedex speaker, an expert on,

520
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an advocate for professional part time working
moms, and an author. After the

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break, we're going to hear more
about time management and networking. Stay with

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and welcome back to Working on Purpose
if you're just joining us. My guest

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is Suzanne Brown, who is a
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and export on in advocate for professional
part time working moms, and an

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author her book mompowerment insights from successful
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and family. Empowers moms to think
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moms on their journey to change their
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and stories. Insights and advice are
more than a hundred and ten interviews with

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professional part time working moms. I'm
your host at Last Cortes. So for

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00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.400
this last segment here, Suzanne,
I really want to get a couple of

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things on the table here. One
of them is time management, and of

559
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:35.559
course there'll be other things around networking. What you say, and I love

560
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.679
how you say this. You say
you are a ninjoke with time management,

561
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.679
and I know you've written a good
bit about this topic in your book.

562
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.320
So what have you learned about time
management that you can pass on to us?

563
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.840
So, first of all, I
will share that I stole that phrase

564
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:53.679
from Lauren Brody, who wrote The
Fifth Trimester. So guy said time management

565
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:58.760
is incredibly important. It's important as
a working mom, but it's incredibly important

566
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.079
as a part time working mom.
And so I think you actually have to

567
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:07.960
shift how you look at time and
the way to be most efficient that I

568
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.880
have found, based on the conversations
and on my own experience, is to

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actually think about time not just as
time, but time management plus productivity plus

570
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staying on tasks. And so those
three things have to work together in order

571
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to actually in order for you to
be efficient with your time. And it

572
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:36.360
can be a shift in how you
look at things because a lot of what

573
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we do in the workplace is we
react or we respond to what is kind

574
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.800
of thrown our direction. Right,
It's like you get an email, you

575
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:51.280
respond, and that might not be
the best use of your time. Even

576
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:52.800
if you're a full comeworking mom,
that might not be the best use of

577
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.000
your time. So you have to
kind of shift how you look at things,

578
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:02.960
and you have to be very put
detective of your time without pulling away

579
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.320
from your career. And so some
of the things that I heard kind of

580
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:13.960
over and over again are things like
batching. And if you're not familiar with

581
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.760
what batching is, it's where you
combine like things so that you do them

582
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:22.000
all in a row. So if
you have to write a series of powerpoints,

583
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.480
do all the power points in a
row. When you're in that PowerPoint

584
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:30.880
groove, don't be interrupted by email, turn off the window that pops up

585
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:35.320
that shows you a little sneak peek
of what email is coming through. Put

586
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.079
your phone, you know, forward
your phone to voicemail, and that way

587
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:44.280
you can hit your groove and be
much more efficient instead of as you switch

588
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:49.960
back and forth between activities, you
actually use a ton of mental energy that

589
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.280
might not make a difference in a
day, but it makes a difference over

590
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:57.440
a week, a month, a
year, and so batching can be really

591
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.760
helpful. But you also have to
think about things like your productivity peak.

592
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So for me, for example,
I am most productive in the morning,

593
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hands down most productive. Drop off
my boys to school, and I am

594
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like I could climb a mountain if
that's what you put in front of me.

595
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And so I use that time,
that is my time to make amazing

596
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things happen. And you know,
I don't really schedule calls the first thing

597
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.559
in the morning if I can avoid
it. That's when I focus on my

598
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:36.320
top priorities because that is when I
am at my best. That's when I

599
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:40.280
tackle my strategic challenges so that I
can really make a dent in it.

600
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Instead of, oh well, let
me open up email and see what somebody

601
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:47.920
sent me and maybe I'll respond or
let me see what's on Facebook. It's

602
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.199
like no, no, no,
no, no. Make this your most

603
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:58.000
productive time. And part of that
you have to be able to establish boundaries.

604
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.599
And most people think of boundaries as
Okay, well I work from nine

605
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to five and then I go home
at five, and so the boundary is

606
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five. You actually have to think
about boundaries as how can I create time

607
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.559
and how can I kind of buffer
time, and so having this idea of

608
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.639
batching or saying, you know,
I'm not going to take any meetings before

609
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.039
ten o'clock. And you might be
lead on your team and you can make

610
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that happen, or you might have
to have a negotiation with the lead on

611
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.199
your team and make that happen.
But boundaries are certainly going to help.

612
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And I often get the question of, well, how do you stay motivated,

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you know, if you're trying to
make all of this stuff happen.

614
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My personal trick is I have a
to do list and I have a did

615
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:51.800
list, and so a lot of
times when you're making things happen, you

616
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:58.199
don't necessarily think about what you already
made happen. You know, you're flying

617
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:01.639
to the next thing and It's like
being able to have even if it's if

618
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:06.679
it's the exact same list but one
thing is scratched off or there's a check

619
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:10.519
mark or whatever. But having that
list to show you look at all the

620
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:15.719
stuff that I accomplished in the course
of a week can actually be quite motivating

621
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.800
and agreed, Yes, keep you
on track, you know of like,

622
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:25.519
Okay, I'm rocking and rolling in
this new time management thing. Yeah,

623
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:28.920
I would add one thing to that
that I also got, and I bet

624
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.559
you already do this too, But
just a presence of for our listeners is

625
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.960
we I got this from my current
consulting company. We do mission control.

626
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.239
You really really have to plan your
work and then you create occasions in your

627
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:43.440
calendar where you're going to do that
work, and if you honor those occasions,

628
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.360
you will be productive. And going
back to what you said about not

629
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.039
getting distracted by social media or something
that comes up on your cell phone or

630
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.639
whatever, but it is amazing what
you can actually do if you will actually

631
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:59.639
plan your workout and then execute through
your plan. Absolutely absolutely, and I

632
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:05.760
actually recommend doing that the evening before
so that you can hit the ground running

633
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.159
the day of, you know,
and that's I'm sad I missed that,

634
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:13.320
because that's I'm sad that I didn't
say that, But I'm glad you mentioned

635
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:17.280
it because it's huge, huge,
huge huge. You own your time.

636
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.159
Yeah, I knew that, you
knew it. I just wanted to make

637
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:22.719
sure because you and I had talked
about that before, but I wanted to

638
00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:27.679
make sure and get it out for
our for our listeners, and another thing

639
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:29.880
that I want to get I want
to say because we're getting so close to

640
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:31.880
running out of time already, Susanne, but I want to talk about the

641
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:36.719
importance of networking. We most of
us know we need to network, we

642
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:38.280
have to do with some of us
like some of us hate it. There's

643
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.280
a lot of ways to go about
that. But I know you have a

644
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.599
particular perspective on how that relates to
being a part time working mom. So

645
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.960
what can you tell us? The
networking is the number one piece of advice

646
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:55.400
that people gave in because I asked
what is your advice? And number one

647
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.840
networking, and that was how a
huge percentage of these women actually found their

648
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:06.840
jobs. So about a third of
the women who I spoke to found part

649
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:12.239
time jobs versus changing in their current
role from a full time to a part

650
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:19.280
time capacity, and networking is how
they essentially got that. And my take

651
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.880
on things because as a working mom, I don't necessarily have a huge amount

652
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:29.440
of time to go to ten conferences
a year. My thing is network where

653
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:36.880
you are because we don't really take
it full advantage of the network that is

654
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:42.760
literally built into our day. So
things like networking with your colleagues at your

655
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.360
office. Sure you deal with the
people who you deal with on a regular

656
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:50.079
basis, but when was the last
time that you talked to that you went

657
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:54.039
to coffee with someone who you've never
interacted with before, you know, and

658
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:59.719
that is a person literally who can
probably walk by several times a day,

659
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.719
maybe, but being able to engage
with those people, whether they're at an

660
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:12.119
office or it might be at your
child's school where you know you see each

661
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.039
other in passing in the morning when
you drop off, but they have no

662
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:19.239
idea what you do and you don't
know what they do. But they could

663
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.719
be they could be potential clients,
they could be potential employers, they could

664
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:28.000
be looking for exactly your skill set
in a part time capacity. You just

665
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:32.280
never know unless you start having those
conversations. And so it's not a matter

666
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.440
of Okay, let me line up
a bunch of networking events. Now,

667
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.079
it's look around you. I mean, it's even those social interactions you have

668
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:45.519
of like are learning to a friends
happy hour for their birthday. You know,

669
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:47.719
we always talk to the people or
we naturally talk to the people who

670
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.679
we know, right, but what
if you engaged with them you said,

671
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.719
Okay, it's been for thirty minutes
talking to people that I know, and

672
00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:00.400
then I'm going to meet two new
people today and that is my task or

673
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:07.719
one new person today and you never
know who that person might be and you

674
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:12.960
have no idea. And then I
definitely suggest online coffee chats. So it's

675
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:17.679
essentially like like having a coffee,
but it's but you can use a tool

676
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:22.800
like Skype or FaceTime, or there
are tools on Facebook. You know,

677
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.119
there's lots of different tools that you
can use. But that leads like a

678
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:30.840
face to face interaction instead of just
being a phone call, and that allows

679
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:37.679
you to broaden your network without having
to spring about things like childcare or or

680
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.880
oh wait, I'm in Austin,
Texas and you're in Dallas. You know

681
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.239
that is we could have a face
to face conversation, you know, and

682
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:46.079
if it's late enough in the day, you can have a happy hour.

683
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:49.719
You can both have a glass of
line like you can make where you want.

684
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.400
But those are not tools that most
people think about. Yeah, and

685
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.840
you know what I'm getting present too
as you talk about the Suzanne, is

686
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:04.880
what I hear you saying is bringing
an intentionality about recognizing and there are people

687
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.119
that we encounter throughout the course of
our day and how are we really connecting

688
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.280
to them? Do we really know
who they are? Do they know who

689
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:14.119
we are? And what we bring? That's what I'm hearing from you.

690
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.880
Is that intentionality piece? Oh,
yes, very much. Ok, it's

691
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:22.360
that equational networking. Okay, okay, all right. Well, another thing

692
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:24.559
that I want to talk about,
and we've just got a couple of minutes

693
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.119
left to really quick maybe if we
can just spend two minutes on this is

694
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:31.159
you talk about the importance of mentors
and sponsors in this deal. What do

695
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:37.559
we need to know there? So
I want to make sure that people realize

696
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:42.880
the difference. And one is a
career guide a mentor, which a lot

697
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:47.639
of us think about. But sponsors
are different in that they are action oriented

698
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.239
and these can literally be men and
women who can open doors for you.

699
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:57.199
They can help you find new roles, they can find projects for you to

700
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.639
work on. But they are actually
making the introdut And so we've spent so

701
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:07.360
much effort on mentors, but we
don't necessarily think about the sponsors and sponsors

702
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:12.000
as an entrepreneur. There are people
who I worked for in the past who

703
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.360
literally send business my way. Still, that is a sponsor, you know.

704
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.800
That is a great thing to have
as an entrepreneur. So it's not

705
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.239
even just in the workplace. It
can be when you work for yourself that

706
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:30.760
you want those people who can give
you access to other resources. Absolutely,

707
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.599
no question, Okay, all right, anything else on that? Before I

708
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:37.360
take you to the last question,
I want to make sure that you've got

709
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:38.920
to say what you wanted to say
on that, because I knew you had

710
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:45.119
an opinion about that. I think
that's it. But definitely do it people,

711
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.679
Make sure that you did you hear
that? Do it? People?

712
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:52.800
I love that, Suzanne March.
All right, well, I like to

713
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.760
be able to let my guests have
the last word, if you will,

714
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:58.679
So, keeping in mind that this
is a show that helps you more meaningfully

715
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:02.000
and productively connect with their work and
we enjoy listeners across the globe. What

716
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:07.119
would you like to leave our listeners
with today? So there are three things.

717
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:13.639
One is that you need to own
your strengths, know what you do

718
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:17.159
well, be able to talk about
it and don't feel like it's bragging.

719
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:23.760
Own it. The second thing is
being able to work part time is doable.

720
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:27.440
It is a doable thing. It's
not like this is a brand new

721
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:30.239
concept. And I think that can
take some of the pressure off of can

722
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:36.000
I maybe is it possible? It
is doable. And then the final one

723
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:40.760
is I think that for all of
the women who are listening that it is

724
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:47.400
important that we think about this as
coming together. So instead of thinking about

725
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:52.960
I'm doing this right and you're doing
this wrong, if we all just supported

726
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.559
each other, we would get to
our end goals quicker, because chances are

727
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.400
the end goal is the same,
a half looks a little bit different.

728
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:07.440
And so let's come together and think
about the power that we would have as

729
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:12.199
a group instead of all of the
one off conversations that we end up having

730
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.679
to do. Oh my gosh,
here here And I am a big fan,

731
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:20.480
by the way Susanne of helping women
connect with each other and empowering them

732
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.639
to do so. So I really
appreciate that last point. Wonderful and I

733
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:27.039
want to thank you for being a
guest on the show. I want to

734
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:30.559
also thank Kimberly Davis, our joint
friend who brought us together. She is

735
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.599
a wonderful supporter and she knows talent. So thank you Kimberly and Suzanne.

736
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.840
Thank you for joining me on the
show today. Thank you so much for

737
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.920
having me. I loved chatting with
you. Yes, I really I wish

738
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.639
that I would have gotten this about
I don't even know fifteen years ago when

739
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:46.880
I was in this in this place, Suzanne, I did it all the

740
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:51.159
hard way, So thank you for
sharing your wisdom for those who were out

741
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.559
there about to embark on this.
If you want to learn more about Suzanne

742
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:59.320
Brown or her book or the work
that she does, go to mompowerment dot

743
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:04.360
com prettymompowerment dot com. You can
also find her on Twitter with that same

744
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.360
handle. Next week, we will
be on the air with a special session

745
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:13.159
giving thanks and blessings for our lives
around the American holiday of Thanksgiving. We'll

746
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:17.360
be talking about how can we inculcate
gratitude and thanks into not just our personal

747
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:22.000
lives, but also the work that
we do in how we connect with our

748
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.679
clients and our colleagues. See you
then, remember that work is at least

749
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:34.760
one third of our lives. So
let's work on purpose. We hope you've

750
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.119
enjoyed this week's program. Be sure
to tune into Working on Purpose featuring your

751
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:44.400
host Elise Cortes, every Wednesday at
six pm Eastern Time three pm Pacific Time

752
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:49.360
on the Voice America Empowerment Channel.
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