Lucian Fogoros on IIOT - the Industrial Internet of Things

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right, so with us this week
is Luchan Fogoros, who is the co

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founder and managing director of IoT World, which is a digital media outlet that

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covers the economic and technological implications of
the transformation taking place as IoT proliferates throughout

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the enterprise. IoT World combines journalistic
coverage with data analysis to expose the stories,

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players, trends, and innovations that
shape the IoT. IoT World has

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recently been ranked by k Core Analytics
as the number one influencer on several topics

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such as industrial Internet of Things,
smart manufacturing. I don't know if it's

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Skater or SCOTTA will find out out
and is actually ahead of companies like IBM

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and GE. It's a fantastic thing
to have an acclaim to and today Luchan

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joins us today from Cleveland, Ohio. Welcome to working on a purpose.

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Thank you, Liz, and good
evening, good morning, good day to

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everyone, whatever you're joining us from. Thank you for joining. Isn't that

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wonderful? And I appreciate you saying
that because I really enjoy that this particular

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show is listened to across the globe, including China, Japan, There's a

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lot of folks there in India,
Malaysia, all different kind of places,

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and I really appreciate that we get
to have a truly a conversation that really

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matters to everyone, and it's going
to happen across the globe. So thanks

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for saying that, Thank you for
having and also let's also acknowledge that how

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we found each other was via Twitter. It's been a fantastic means, a

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mechanism for me to meet people I
wouldn't otherwise have any business meeting and learning

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from, and now to be inspired
by to have you on the show.

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So thank you Twitter for putting us
together. It's so a great value for

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us as well of leveraging two or
two to reach out. It's just it's

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wonderful. I sometimes I actually had
a thought the other day of well,

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what happened if like Twitter or LinkedIn
went away, what would happened? All

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right, well, let's get started
into the topic here. I want to

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start with really the basics here,
Lucian. There are going to be people

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that are listening to the show that
are like, I'm going to listen because

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I keep hearing about the Internet of
things. I don't even know what the

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heck we're talking about. So I
want to just start with the notion here

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from people that there's probably a variety
of folks that are listening to people that

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have got this and they're well beyond
they want the next thing. But what

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do we mean by the Internet of
things? Well, thank you for that

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question, and I'm humble to have
the opportunity to talk about this. I'm

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very passionate. So the Internet of
things consist of smart connected objects and homes

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with a business or surrounders that has
ability to communicate over a network without a

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human to human or human to computer
involvement. So to give an example,

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basically, the concept basically connect any
devices with on or off switch over the

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Internet includes anywhere from cell phones to
refrigerator lamps around our homes, garage stores,

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cameras, wearable devices such as basically
glasses, and almost anything that you

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can think of. This also employees
basic components on various machines anywhere from machines

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that makes pasta an industrial company,
or a jet engine or an oil platform.

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So basically there is there is as
long as it has an honor switch,

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then chances are that it is part
of an IoT and analysts basically are

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predicting though by twenty twenty various productions
depends on who listen to that there will

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be anywhere from twenty six to over
one hundred billion connective devices in twenty twenty.

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It's a lot of connections. So
essentially it's a giant of networks or

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connected things. Okay, that really
really helps me personally, so thank you

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Luchan. Okay, Now, specifically, though you are focused on the industrial

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Internet of things. What's different about
that? How do we distinguish that?

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So what's the difference between IoT and
IIoT the Industrial Internet of Things? So

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if you look at that, that
basically IIoT refers to a soft category of

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a subset of the broader Internet of
things. Basically IoT includes things like smart

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over that we mentioned smart consumer products, yet industrial IoT IIoT, smart industry,

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industry four point zero whatever, there's
various terms that people refer to depending

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on what corner of the world you
refering to. Focused specifically on industrial applications

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such as smart manufacturing, such as
smart agriculture, smart c these types of

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applications. Okay, I appreciate that. I I guess I could have figured

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that out if I really thought about
it, but I like so much better

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the way that you've said it.
Okay, now, well listen, now

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we can talk about your organization,
Lucha, now that we've kind of covered

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those basics here. So IoT World
is your organization. It is a digital

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media outlet, and I know that
it's it's fairly new. So I want

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to help our listeners understand why did
you find? Why did you co found

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You're one of two founders, I
think it is, and what is it

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that you're trying to do in the
organization there is? Correct? So,

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first off, the IoT World was
born out of a passion of the two

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co founder for and professional background combined. Carolina's background my co founder is basically

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digital journalism. She wrote her pH
d TSS combining traditional media with digital media,

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and my experience basically on industrial software
developer background development engineer with progressive roles

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in product marketing and global level of
product management. And our mission basically is

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to educate on what's real on industrial
IoT and we engage with subject matter experts

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from around the world to bring those
real applications, those case studies so inspire

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other organizations to do the sames same. Oh okay, awesome, awesome,

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okay. And I know that when
you and I spoke on the phone the

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first time, when we did our
introductory call, you were helping me understand

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a little bit about I think you've
you said something about like the number of

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readers or followers that you have,
something like that. Yeah, it's funny

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you mentioned about Twitter because we so
both of the founders started with a few

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thousand followers on Twitter, but we
also flogged in a new organization Twitter account,

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and the account was flogged in I
think it was late January. The

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side when lives in February, and
he went to over fifteen point two thousand

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people in just under ten months.
First nine of the ten customers we can

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talk about that came from Twitter,
and the rest of them. Basically we

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also got engaged on various events,
but that's one medium we leveraged Twitter to

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reach our audience. We also leverage
others. LinkedIn is another one that you've

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mentioned what we do about without those, So essentially we wouldn't have a business

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pretty much without at least those couple
of ones. But we also leverage Google,

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plots and other mediums to reach our
audience. Well, let's make sure

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that our listeners can find you.
Then let's what are your handles on those

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social media So what's your Twitter handle? So our organization IoT old handle it

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IoT underscore world and that's uh.
And then my personal one is at for

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Goros at f O G O r
O S okay. And then what about

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the other platforms. And then if
you look at the linking basically on my

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personal one, that went to some
exponential growing, uh, basically linking dot

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com for slash in for slash for
Goros, and we do the same for

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IoT world. Okay. And also
both of the easiest way to find them

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is from our website. It has
pretty much all our social media. Our

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website is www dot I I O
T dosh world dot com. Yeah,

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and I'll say that again at the
end of the show for those people that

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didn't write it down. Okay,
Well, the next thing I want to

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I want to talk about here is
and I can help. But because I

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have been a person who's been researching
how people find meaning in their work and

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how it's related to who they are
for years, And of course in the

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middle of all that is this little
thing called motivation. What I know about

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what you're up to here is that
it takes a lot to create an organization

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the way that you are, you
and your co founder are, So what

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keeps you motivated? There's a number
of things that kids. I'm always interested

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to learning new things. Certainly,
I'm always connected, whether of course I

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try to stay away when when I'm
in front of my daughter from from from

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a phone, but for the most
part, the phone is there near by.

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And this application, whereas linked in
Twitter, our site, email is

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always what motivates me is learning new
things, and of course coupling with the

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love traveling. So now and then
there may be a little bit running low

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on the motivation I do engage into
a travel to to join a conference and

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so on. Mm hmmm. I'm
really glad to hear you say that,

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because I think and I always tell
people that I'm coaching it's just so important

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to plug in to a social community, to keep you inspired, connected,

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learning, supported, have resources for
I'm really glad to hear you say that,

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Luchon, that's great, really important. As you're commenting that, it

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just occurred to me that actually what
also defines me that never looked at it

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that way, that I'm passionate about
helping people. And I'm in the center

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of community here the parish that I
attend or are alone my organization. So

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I love helping people. That's also
another thing that I think. It's a

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motivation I get, if you will, motivation from helping people. M hmmm,

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excellent. Well, and even when
you think about what you're doing providing

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a digital media outlet for people,
I mean that is it's absolutely a form

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of help, except that you're doing
it too well not accept and that you're

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doing it for the masses. Correct. Okay, Well, speaking of that,

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one of the other things I really
wanted to get to here is you

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know, I know that your whole
organization exists to educate and help people understand

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what's behind and the media hype around
the industrial Internet of things. And so

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you already said when you think about
there's billions of devices connected, there's I

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think you mentioned the dollar piece of
it. But I think I've heard things

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like trillions of dollars, et cetera. So I want to hear more about

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that. What hype are you talking
about and how do you actually help correct?

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So I've had the opportunity, prior
to launching ioity World, to travel

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around the world a couple of times
on behalf of a large industrial company and

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depending on what media type of what
people are talkeds, this hype of new

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value created depending on if you listen
to as much as one point for trillion

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dollars, a new value created by
this hioity World. Birity love to have

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hioty world. I mean the industrial
in the things, And it occurred that

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that basically a lot of people at
the sea level are some scared, they

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know something, the big is coming, they don't know what to start.

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And we basically h said, well, with the twenty years industrial software background,

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that basically still look at the industry
inner of things. It's an evolution

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versus a revolution like the IoT is. And we can talk more about that.

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But the evolution because over the four
decades of investment in industrial adomation of

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connecting things, it just so happens
that now various factors play a role into

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accepting this. So having said that, why now, what's really new around

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that? And if you ask people
that are early adopters of the technology,

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you'd find that that there is no
brainer. They know how to colpulic or

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illustrate the ROI if you if you
get some of the skeptics, incumbents,

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and some of the industrial companies,
they ask the question skeptically. The way

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I respond is, think about what
you can do in your organization, and

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as the cost of hardware, as
the cost of how whether there's a sensor

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or whether it's a computer, or
the cost of data as approaching zero or

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even more so, we can talk
about the business model change. One of

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the reasons that I was interested in
having you on the show, Lucian,

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is kind of what you allude to
when you mentioned, you know, CEO

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is maybe being frightened or scared a
bit about this whole thing. And I

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wanted to presence this for people because
people are afraid of technology. They're afraid

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of automation. You know, it's
because they think that it's going to take

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away jobs and there's all there's all
kinds of well, as you say,

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hype about that. So that was
one of the big reasons I wanted to

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have you on is to help us
help educate us as to what is this,

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what's the opportunity. So one of
the other things I'd love to hear

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you talk about, and you already
mentioned this notion of ROI is just to

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kind of get us thinking about how
this is being used and what's the benefit

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of IoT. Where is like maybe
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seeing the fascist return for like a
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a fantastic question, and we have
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that basically illustrated. So I appreciate
the qualification the ROI for manufacturing because what

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the ROI for manufacturing may be different
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Port of Cleveland or Port of Los
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a water and waste OAR facility,
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an oil and gas company. So
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and working in the field and over
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so recently as I've focused on just
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low hanger food is really predictive maintenance. Certainly, if you look at the

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city, there's other city my plugging
small sensor as well as basically plugging the

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website for tracking the weather whether you
irrigate or not. Those are also things

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for others. There's a different rois
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the predictive maintenance of things could help
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instance, if you're an automotive,
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thousand dollars per minute the downtime.
So if you factor they're in, it's

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so easy to say I'm going to
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opportunity. Because I could set this
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make up business case like that.
Thank you for helping us present Sad and

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I do want to talk a bit
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We've been on the air with Luchen

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transformation taking place as IoT productlarates throughout
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After the break, we're going to get

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to working on Purpose. Thanks for
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working on purpose if you're just joining
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who is a co founder and managing
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a digital media outlet that covers the
economic and technological implications of the transformation taking

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place as IoT proliferates throughout the enterprise. IoT World combines journalistic coverage with data

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analysis to expose the stories, players, trends, and innovations that shape the

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IoT. IoT World has recently been
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influencer on several topics such as the
industrial Internet of Things, smart manufacturing,

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SCOTA or Skata, and is actually
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really impressive. I'm your host at
least Cortes. So before the break,

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we were talking just a bit about
just presencing what is this thing the Internet

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of things and what is the industrial
internet of things? And talking a bit

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about ROI et cetera, When people, when organizations do invest in this.

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Here next in this conversation, this
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want to start thinking about really applying
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folks, taking it out of that
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the concrete. So you and I
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course I've read this that we've talked
that the Internet of things will disrupt any

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industry, and you said earlier you
started to talk about this and it comes

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not only from the cost of hardware
or software data approaching zero, but also

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the business model. Can you expand
on this? But all of those things

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for us correct. So the opportunity
in my mind, and again this is

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the way that we've kind of left
it is asking yourself, what can you

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do in you organization as as the
cost of harder standing the data is approaching

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zero, but even more important,
what can you do in you organization as

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the business model changes from a large
capital expenditure for for for industrial company to

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a monthly credit card expenditure. And
uh, there's the saying nobody got fired

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from using General Electric or using Honeywell
or rock with whatever large industry or Schneider

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Electric for the reason. Yet trying
now this, this type of a model

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of a credit card could actually provide
a great opportunity for for some of the

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smaller players. And it does.
We've seen data and case studies that it

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does. The show opporunity for a
smaller player that eats the launch of a

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launch of a large player on that. Uh So if you look at from

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the opportunity in an organization, uh, whether it's a manufacturing we've shown some

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example, we've talked about some examples, but also in city or a oil

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and gas facility. It provides the
massive amount of data that can be collected

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as we are able to collect the
data and more important, making sense of

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that data. It's basically creating dress
reduction costs. So whether it's in manufacturing

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or it's a city that we're able
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fewer resources because they are connected.
There is, for instance, a elevator

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company and there's plenty of case studies
on that. That's leveraging Google Glass to

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offer remote technical assistance, the same
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on how to fix So you're equipping
the technician to resolve problems and faster.

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So if you look at that,
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let's say healthcare, Uh what what
how would your experience the ear once a

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year or however many, however often
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doctor, if you have a way
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on a daily basis, and they
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a trend I happened to be an
engineered by background. Then when I've taken

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my mother to the cardiologists and I've
shown her four months worth of data on

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the the things that I was recording
with an am run, uh basically just

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taking the blood pressure, she needially
spots the spot of that she has hypertensions,

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so she was able to diagnose that. What if you can pull that

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data out of the phone. There's
a low hanging food transportation. You know,

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it wouldn't be nice if as you're
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map or whatever your map you're using
for directions to also tell you that,

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hey, you might want to part
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minutes less waiting time, there's a
less of a queue in line there.

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Grocery shopping would be as you have
your grocery on your electronic list. Let's

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say it does a quick evaluation and
say instead of going to Costco or whatever

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grocery shop store A, you may
want to choose to go to this based

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on this particular list, you may
provide you a different suggestion for that.

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So again, if you want,
we can go on and on and about

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this type of industry industries. But
the connected, the fact that we are

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connected to leveraging other data available basically
can make a better, more informed decision,

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whether as a consumer or with a
business owner industrial company. I really

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appreciate how you described that, Luchon. I really got a lot more present

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to how this works and why in
why people would actually invest in it.

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And speaking of that, one of
the things that you said to me on

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the phone, and I think I
read it on your site somewhere in one

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of your one of the stories is
you have already mentioned something about the cost

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piece of this here, But why
does it no longer take such a large

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investment to achieve automation. I have
to go back a number of years.

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When I started my career, there
was industrial computers, for instance, that

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would cost us much as twenty thousand
dollars. Today you can leverage a control

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of that does thirty five thousand and
basically does almost the same thing. We

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can get a tablet. Because of
the industrial setting, you need to be

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concerned with vibration, you need to
be concerned with the oil, you need

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to be concerned with the water.
You can wash the thing down a particular

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computer. That same computer at that
time costs twenty thousand. We can also

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leverage a tablet. It has a
touch screen and he has in addition to

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all the things that twenty years ago
you're doing, now you're actually doing with

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one thousand dollars tablet in an enclosure
box that has water resistance. And by

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the way, it could have four
cents as they could send temperature. You

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could send humidity from the particular tablet
and stored it somewhere. So let's say,

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for instance, if some union comes
after a particular facility because they didn't

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maintain the temperature too much humidity and
so on. They could actually prove that,

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hey, on daily basis, the
temperature was within this temperature and that

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temperature and so on. So there's
very opportunities. So why does it cost

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less today? Many factors certainly talked
about hardware and day are being sent.

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It's different. But also because the
business model, I think this is an

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area that some of the incumbent large
players are least I know to get on

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a bandwagon. Is because it changed
from making a large investments that it would

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take basically a capital expenditure many approvals
to now giving the power to someone to

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do use a credit card, you
try a solution. There are vendors that

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even give software hardware solutions in exchange
of having a monthly approach. And by

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the way, it can be canceled
over ext amount if it doesn't sit the

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solution. So where in the past
it used to be available to a few

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they had large money to invest,
now even let's say a bakery that may

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have a three or four locations,
you could leverage the technology that could be

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scheduled out over other monthly payment to
do that. Let me make sure I'm

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understanding and make sure that this lands
really well and crisply for our listeners as

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well, who may have less exposure
to this than you do, or certaining

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than I do, so terms of
the lower investment. So part, I

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think what you're also describing and presencing
for us is that instead of having to

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use a piece of hardware that we
own or a piece of software that we

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own, we have access to this
kind of technology through software as a service

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or through the cloud. Is that
what you're saying the part, it's not

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a factor that has happened, correct. In addition to the fact that you

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know, over the last few years, the technology improved and performance, yet

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the cost is less and less.
We can do more things on a smaller

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devices and hence that got its way
into the industrial setting as well. Okay,

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thank you, thank you, thank
you. Okay, Well, now

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I think I can even I feel
even better about asking you this question.

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I want this is something that I
had planned to ask you, but because

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it's part of your tagline. But
you mentioned and talk on your site and

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in some of the things that you
say, but that your goal of your

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organization is to accelerate the rate of
adoption of the industrial Internet of things,

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and I'm starting to get clear as
to why you do that, but say

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a bit more about that, and
I do also want to talk a bit

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more. You mentioned in the last
segment about the low hanging fruits and the

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area of predictive maintenance. So first, why is your organization set on accelerating

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the adoption of IoT? We felt
that with both a passion to educate by

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in addition to have been working in
the industrial automation evolved now into industry and

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the things I've had the opportunity to
teach at Cleveland State University, in addition

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to being or volunteering for opportunity to
teach in corporate how to use software.

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And so basically I'm passionate about helping
others. Now in terms of the rate

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of adoption, how is our organizations
doing that? And we've we've we've done

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a few things that are different than
a trade magazine, and one of them,

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instead of basically hiring let's say,
journalists to write stories interview the people,

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we're inviting the visionaries, the top
level sea level folks for around the

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world to come and share their vision
about the industry every things, not to

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sell their company, not to sell
their story of their company, but really

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to say, what do you see
as opportunities for this, and whether that's

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a vendor for industrial software, hardware
or cyber security, industrial cybersecurity, or

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that's basically an end user that would
like to get more spotlight on organization like

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the CI organization that managed to be
an early adopter. We invite them to

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share their story and share their case
study on our website. And we've created

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a platform from all these players.
Like I said, over one hundred I

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think last time I checked, and
we're just about to do another stats on

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that, but over one hundred and
sixty two partnerships and contributors from around the

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world to share their story and how
to do that. So again, just

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changing the model. I think Peter
diamand Is refers to this I learned later

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on about three months or four months
after I've started the website, refers to

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democratizing the journalism or the site by
basically saying, you don't have to pay

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for somebody to write the story.
You invite those people to do that.

408
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:28.119
So thank you for that. That
helps so much, and I really appreciate

409
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.720
the way that you shared that.
Yeah, and I also what I also

410
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:35.000
appreciate is that just the way that
you said that last piece inviting people to

411
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.240
share their stories, and yet look
at this beautiful platform that you've created to

412
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:42.200
do just that. I just really
appreciate what you're doing. And again,

413
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:44.440
a big reason I wanted to have
you on the show, John, is

414
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.480
because I think people are very,
very frightened of what they don't understand.

415
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:52.680
They don't understand the Internet of things, they don't understand artificial intelligence. Right,

416
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.920
That's one of the things that I've
been very intrigued with, and so

417
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.240
I'd like to see if you could
maybe talk to us a bit about that

418
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:05.480
particular topic, especially if it's something
I actually heard talk about innovative artificial intelligence.

419
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:07.400
So I'd like it if you could
share a little bit about what's going

420
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:12.960
to be maybe one of some of
the bigger challenges or challenge with introducing innovative

421
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.519
artificial intelligence and actually getting people to
buy it, be not be afraid of

422
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:22.920
it, to be confident of it. Sure, so of course there's there's

423
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:28.360
a couple of areas that is a
fear of technology. And then the second

424
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:35.719
part of this week talk is gaining
public confidences. And I think that we're

425
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.880
at the point that both technology as
well as public is getting acceptance and market

426
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:47.360
acceptance. A couple of weeks ago
we've We've given a personal example, purchased

427
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:54.440
a super a Cross that I believe
and as I was taking the baby daughter

428
00:34:54.480 --> 00:35:00.280
to to to the kindergarten or to
the daycare, notice my will was actually

429
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.880
trying to keep me in line as
youres trying to ask for something and so

430
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:09.000
on, and essentially has a safety
feature that keeps you online. So it's

431
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:14.079
already in some of our newest cards. Of course we had that that that

432
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:21.280
the spot fendors and so on.
But if you think of of companies such

433
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:27.159
as test Law for instance, that
basically building the new car with the technology,

434
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:32.760
with the software that allows you to
have the to to leverage Uber as

435
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.639
an autonomous car, providing that we
get acceptance with the legal and so on.

436
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:42.239
But think about it just having that
technology in a car to do that.

437
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:46.039
As I was driving back from dropping
out my daughter, I know I

438
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.719
tried testing this thing. Of course
there was nobody on the highway at the

439
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.880
time. It was around the cloud
for very few people, but just seeing

440
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.840
if indeed it keeps me in line
and so on. So those are things

441
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:06.159
that are some of the nearby I've
asked an expert while at the Automay show

442
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:13.039
in Chicago, very large. They
had the brest attendance earlier this year in

443
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:20.880
Chicago, ever and they've honored a
couple of folks that basically are the top

444
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.360
in the field of artificial intelligence.
One of them was doctor Russo, Daniel

445
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:34.039
Russo from MIT. She had up
the Artificial Intelligence group there and I've asked

446
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:38.760
her, how soon do you see
this reality to have autonomous hicles or are

447
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:44.000
we ready? What's the infrastructure needed? And her response was we're ready today,

448
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:52.039
providing that we are smaller cities with
smaller campuses with twenty five miles per

449
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.760
hour or less, with the infrastructure
that we have today. So I think

450
00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.280
it's just a matter of time they
were doing. There's other work that for

451
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.039
instance, doctor Rodney Brooks from Breaking
Robotics. He was also the former chairman

452
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:09.639
of the MT's group. He's been
working for over last seven or eight years

453
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:19.079
to bring robots and collaborate robots at
the price point under ten thousand dollars.

454
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:23.800
It's it's changing the way we think
with you know, work and so on.

455
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.199
They are the same show in Chicago, persons, there was a robot

456
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:34.239
that was walking around around the people, avoiding people, collision and so on,

457
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:39.199
and by the way, he had
a connecting to the IBM Watson.

458
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:44.639
Essentially, Now, think about what
that could do to let's say, a

459
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:50.639
large YouTube concert or a stadium full
of people, or a museum that you

460
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.760
have if you will, a robot
that would answer back and just find I

461
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:58.000
think you'd asked the question and so
on, but also guide you to the

462
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:02.039
proper seat. Oh that's wonderful,
and I want to say a little bit

463
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:05.559
more about that when we come back. We'll take a break here in just

464
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:07.679
a second. But part of the
reason that I'm so fascinated with the idea

465
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:13.599
of the Internet of things, the
industrial netive things, artificial intelligence is because

466
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:19.480
I am very interested in seeing and
helping people see how that can actually help

467
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.119
them change the way they work in
a better way. If if we can

468
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:29.719
use innovation and technology and artificial intelligence
to remove some of those kinds of tasks

469
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.199
that are maybe not as fulfilling for
us and we get to do something higher

470
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:37.079
level and more creative, I think
that would be really interesting. So it's

471
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.280
one of the many reasons I wanted
to have you on the show. And

472
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:43.800
we'll talk more about that after the
break. It's already time. I'm Alice

473
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.519
Cortez, your host. We've been
on the area with Luchu and Fogoros,

474
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:51.880
who is the co founder and managing
director of theotworld dot com, which is

475
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:57.000
a digital media outlet that covers the
economic and technological implications or the transformation taking

476
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:02.039
place as IoT proliferates throughout the enterprise. IoT World combines journalistic coverage with data

477
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.840
analysis to expose the stories, players, trends, and innovations that shape the

478
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.760
IoT. He joined us today from
Cleveland, Ohio. After the break,

479
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:16.400
we'll talk more about some of the
opportunities and questions surrounding IoT. Stay with

480
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:31.360
us, we'll be right back.
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back to working on Purpose. Thanks for

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staying with us, and welcome back
to working on Purpose. If you're just

505
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.039
tuning in. My guest is Lucian
Fogoros, who is the co founder and

506
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:15.039
managing director of iootworld dot com,
which is a digital media outlet that covers

507
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:21.239
the economic and technological implications of the
transformation taking place as IoT proliferates throughout the

508
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.920
enterprise. IoT World combines journalistic coverage
with data analysis to expose the stories,

509
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.400
players, trends, and innovations that
shape the IoT. IoT World has recently

510
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been ranked by core Kcore Analytics as
the number one influencer on several topics such

511
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as the industrial Internet of Things,
smart manufacturing, and skata, and is

512
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.719
ahead of such companies like IBM and
GE. Very impressive. I'm your host,

513
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.800
Elise Cortez. So before the break, Luchon, we're just starting to

514
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.599
talk a little bit about how some
of this artificial intelligence starts to change the

515
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:57.239
way that we work, and of
course people get scared of that because it's

516
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.360
one it's the big C word change, and we get worried about that,

517
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.960
and it means is we don't know
what's coming. And so one of the

518
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.880
other reasons that I'm very interested in
this particular topic of the Internet of things,

519
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.480
industrial net of things, and artificial
intelligence is I'm very interested about how

520
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.760
the workplace is going to be able
to change, to be able to adapt

521
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:21.719
to this kind of evolution, as
you said earlier, and what it means

522
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.400
for how people get to engage in
their work and hopefully in a more meaningful

523
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:29.360
way. And I mentioned to you
on the break that I was reading a

524
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:35.119
Wall Street Journal article about an organization
that is an energy firm. In their

525
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.920
treasury department, they're actually employing a
robot named Roberta. She's called Roberta,

526
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.840
and her job is to search for
missing payment information and send out reminders.

527
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.840
Who would want to do that kind
of work? I mean, forgive me,

528
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.280
if somebody out there in the listening
audience does that work and you love

529
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.840
it, that's fantastic. Then you
just go to a firm who doesn't have

530
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:59.679
Roberta working for them right, But
I appreciate what we're presencing for our listeners

531
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:04.159
about the possibility of what we can
do with the Internet of Things and the

532
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:08.000
industrial net of things and artificial intelligence
when we actually embrace it. There's a

533
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:16.159
comment on that. At least as
we started this company, we came across

534
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:22.559
a similar roboty if you will,
that essentially not only sends the invoices,

535
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.480
but also reminds them that hey,
the same which hasn't be paid your X

536
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:31.280
amount of days late. And by
the way he manages the payments electronically and

537
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:37.400
so on, that could change the
way some of the banks is doing wired

538
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.440
transfer person costs a lot of money. Sometimes it's poll visibility into where they

539
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.599
come from until you get the paper
statement and so on. Well, going

540
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.719
back just quickly on this, I
since I've been researching how people experience meaning

541
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.000
and their work for over fifteen years, and that actually that research effort is

542
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:58.119
now the next step is writing the
book about those results. What I generally

543
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.519
find is that the higher level order
of things that people experience in their work,

544
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:06.960
when they get into you know,
the people connection, they get into

545
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.440
the use of their minds, they
get into into purpose and values, those

546
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.840
things tend to connote higher level meaning
and higher level engagement. So if we

547
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:19.199
can remove some of the you know, the the route interaction, that doesn't

548
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.679
require thinking too much. I think
for the most part, people are really

549
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.800
going to win because they're going to
have higher level order skills being tapped to

550
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:32.800
do their work anyway. So that's
just that's I'm I'm pondering on that topic

551
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:36.519
because to me, that's how it's
related to my research. All right,

552
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.000
So the next thing I wanted to
ask you related related to what you said

553
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:43.639
already before. There was a comment
about what you mentioned all the different devices.

554
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.440
Now that in the beginning of the
show, Luchohn, you're talking about

555
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:52.119
how you know, the Internet of
things connects devices. What we also know

556
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.519
is that there are a rapid number
of The pace at which these things are

557
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:01.039
being introduced into the marketplace is incredible. So one of the first things that

558
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:06.639
probably we have to ask is how
are companies addressing the security considerations when this

559
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:10.599
big mad rush to get their products
to market. Well, thank you for

560
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:15.280
that's that's a great question, and
there's a lot to talk about it.

561
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:20.960
But it's also aligned with the way
we started to get traction into this,

562
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:25.039
and I'm going to focus on the
industrial cybersecurity portion of it, not the

563
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.519
consumer portion. There's a lot to
be talked about the consumer. But in

564
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:34.840
the industrial settings when things were let's
say, want the first pigle seals into

565
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:40.559
the late sixties and the seventies,
and most of the automation was isolated islands,

566
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.960
and depending on the level automation,
companies introduced the connected anywhere from the

567
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:52.800
machine to offer remote visibility into the
machine, to offer interface with the electronic

568
00:46:53.199 --> 00:47:00.079
source planning and so on. There
is the obviously there opened the door for

569
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:08.119
vulnerabilities. And I divide this era
of industrial fiber security into two. I

570
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:12.440
call it the bas era that before
stocks net, before stockness, before the

571
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:22.000
twenty ten virus and the Iranian Center
Fhooge, nobody took seriously about that security.

572
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.760
I there what we're safe because it's
a separate network and there were three

573
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:29.840
companies they need got acquired by large
players. So now just in January,

574
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:31.880
as we launched this, as we're
looking to launch, we do the research

575
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:39.199
on who is who who addresses the
industrial cybersecurity and CBI insight. You're offering

576
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:45.400
about seven hundred different companies that are
focusing to address this problem cybersecurity, and

577
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:52.880
maybe about one thousand to sixteen of
them. They're focusing primarily on critical infrastructure

578
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:58.840
and manufacturing on industrial settings to sixcess
problem. And there's machine learning, meaning

579
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:06.400
you plug inside thing into the network
and he learns over the course of a

580
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:14.239
period of time about what's normal and
then basically provides abnormalies to a specialized worker

581
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:19.719
to address intrusions and so on.
Now, if it stopped there for a

582
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.320
little bit, we continue on the
industry field, but let's take it to

583
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:29.599
somewhere that the consumers go Waldmarks.
For instance, imagine is standing in line

584
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.920
and maybe around the holiday, there's
fifteen twenty people and you are got x

585
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.320
amount of people in front of you
as you're going to check out. Based

586
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:44.360
on a transaction it takes to walk
out and check out in the estimate takes

587
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.840
twelve minutes and so on. But
if the folks that are in charge of

588
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:51.559
that, they could allocate more people. For instance, the solution around that

589
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:58.400
could be, let's say, offering
a one so it should be let But

590
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:04.400
there are network monitor like stat Seeker
for instance, they offer parget and network

591
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:09.440
monitor that would basically monitor over a
million interfaces in every sixty seconds, so

592
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:16.159
essentially it discovers so the potential client
can basically understand what's on their network and

593
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:22.159
how their network performs, and near
real time they can make better decision to

594
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:29.519
allocate research and so on. No, I incredibly appreciate that. And I

595
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.760
also think that when we start talking
about things that our everyday lives can touch,

596
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:37.039
like standing in line at a grocery
line, it's even easier for people

597
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.400
to start to gain access to this. So thank you for that real world,

598
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:44.880
simple example for us. I want
to take the conversation next if we

599
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:46.440
can lootch on. Now we've been
talking a little bit about, you know,

600
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:51.079
how companies can use this stuff.
I want to also get to how

601
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.239
it can be leveraged with organizations.
But I want to start with culture.

602
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:58.199
And culture is interesting to me because
as a management consultant, we know so

603
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:02.039
much that culture is a is the
driving factor for how people are connected in

604
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.599
organization, how things get done,
and actually the results. And you had

605
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:13.559
said something I think in our first
conversation that your organization works to help build

606
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:16.719
culture, a culture of innovation,
so embracing that, and I think you

607
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.519
mentioned that some progressive large companies recognize
the need to inject this idea I think

608
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:28.880
of innovation from small companies into large
Can you say more about how innovation can

609
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:36.679
be transferred between organizations? Sure?
Absolutely, so I have to quote solim

610
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:44.320
of Singular University that says something on
the line that if you're in a large

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organization, you're trying to innovate from
within, get the immune system into your

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life. Well, even not for
all of them. Larger organizations tend to

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be more bureaucratis, slow response to
a particular market needs and so on.

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So small let's just take for instance, our organization being a media outlet.

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If look, we're basically we're providing
great content for audience comes back, whether

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that's here via tweet, the link
in Google Plus, whatever media may be,

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or email. Essentially, for a
smaller company, they tend to provide

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better content because they're smaller. They
don't have as many layers of reviews,

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if you will, Whereas larger companies, for whatever is that they need to

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make sure they don't callibilize the market
they need to address. They got six

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competing or thirty six competing products.
Almost in some cases because of the acquisition

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and inheritance of various type of products. They have to be concerned so they

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don't cannobolize the exist of business,
where as smaller starts with a clean sheet.

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So one of things earlier on we
recognize that, and we said,

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how do we address that? We
can bring both startups in large organizations at

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a key and offer the same seat
of table. Large companies may have a

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deeper pocket, smaller companies have great
content. So that is why would EXTRA

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create a program for startups around the
three million under a million dollars in sales

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and under three years of existence to
basically help them basically get accept and get

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exposure to our growing forty plus thousand
people audience. Such a great point,

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right, you're in doing work around
this space. I could say a lot

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about what you just mentioned about large
companies innovating, and it takes a lot

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to be able to do that.
We're getting so close to running out of

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time, so I want to make
sure that I get in one more question

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before we close, and it has
to do with really age groups within organizations.

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And I know that when we spoke
on the phone, you said something

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about that that you know, current
industrial organizations tend to have an age group

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that comprises more older workers than younger
ones, and that there can be a

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real problem or opportunity if you consider
it, if older decision makes are managing

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our younger ones. Can you tell
us more about why this phenomenal can be

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a problem for companies. It's it's
well recognized as manufacturing, for instance,

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that that's basically showing there is a
UH over next decade three point five manufactured

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jobs that likely need to be felled. There's a skilled gap, there's age

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gap, people are retiring, and
and and I want to go back to

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a little bit about the decision makers
in charge of large organizations today, UH

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and UH. They're used to the
way of doing business, whether it's in

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UH marketing, whether it's in the
way they approach the next the next platform

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for for for addressing a problem is
binaturally they know on somewhere, so they

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are addressing that. Whereas the millennial
and I don't want to put a particular

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age bracket on that, but let
me just to the millennials, they tend

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to look and say, okay,
what what was other people's experience with this

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platform? Where you're choosing the platform
for your manufacturing or for city and so

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on. What was there other cities? What was other industrial companies experience with

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this platform? And there's plenty of
data. That's why the connected industry helps

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because you have real time data on
comments about that thirty seconds left flute,

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John, all right, go ahead, thirty seconds left. We have to

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We'll have to close here in about
thirty seconds. Go ahead, gotch So

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there was My main comment is that
is now companies organizations that recognize the need

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to empower these millennials to make decisions, maybe given more autonomy on making those

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decisions. Some companies even looked at
basically creating a whole new group and independent

661
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or even a different building than the
existing ones to continue to make decisions.

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Uh and almost like a company,
not a company. M hm excellent.

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All right, Well, I just
want to let you leave our listeners with

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are your just final thoughts? So
maybe in about fifteen seconds, how would

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you what would you like to leave
our listeners with today? I would say,

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follow your passion, re addlessly,
focus on your strength to compassy the

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weaknesses. I would have never imagined
when I was graduated with a computer engineering

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degree too, that I would be
writing writing with not one of my strength,

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but learn over the period there are
things that energizes me. Around that

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then writing to the point small as
I get quite a lot of joy.

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So and if you're a startup,
look for synergy for partnerships to go fast.

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Wonderful way to finish with John,
Thank you so much for joining me

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as a guest today. I've learned
a lot from you. Thank you so

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much. Thank you for having me. If you want to learn more about

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Luke John Fogoros and the working and
his team are doing it IoT World,

676
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visit him at iotdashworld dot com.
This next week, when we talk with

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Isaac Afton of Trigger Give, we'll
be talking about how his exasperation with how

678
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opposing pleas to fund parties in our
recent presidential election spurred him to start trigger

679
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Give, which allows people to quickly
donate money through various social media channels directly

680
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to their intended charity. I think
the conversation will literally showcase how this founder

681
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put his money where his mouth is
and his platform is doing the same for

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the users who engage it. See
you then remember that worker is one third

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of our life, So let's work
on purpose. We hope you've enjoyed this

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week's program. Be sure to tune
into Working on Purpose featuring your host Elise

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Cortes, every Wednesday at six pm
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