Life Takes Grit - And Gives Much When We Rise to Challenge

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host Elise Cortes. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration from those
people who have found deeper meaning and

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personal connection to their work life.
It's beyond nine to five. It's working

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on Purpose. Now Here is your
host, Elise Cortes. Welcome back to

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the Working on Purpose Show. Thanks
for tuning in again this week. I'm

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your host at Least Cortez, joining
from very rainy Dallas Texts today. It's

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home base for me. This program
is all about helping people more meaningfully and

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productively connect with their work and equipping
organizations to do the same for their employees.

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So I bring on guests who have
a particular perspective or experience that I

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think expands the conversation. I often
draw on the medium work research I've been

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the book that I'm writing, as well

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This week is Henda Samuran, an
award winning real estate broker with Dave Perrymiller,

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real estate, breast cancer survivor,
extreme endurance athlete, and now also

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an author. She just published her
memoir Grit under My Nails, a Memoir

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and Three Acts. We'll be talking
about some of the critical points in her

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life that have helped maker who she
is today. Transition from being an information

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technology professional into real estate guru and
what she hopes people listening to your message

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will ultimately get. She joins me
today right next to me in my studio

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hand out, welcome to working on
purpose. It's very exciting. It's a

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complete new media for me. So
I'm rather than this in a little funny

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way. That's amazing considering all that
you've done. It's really amazing, and

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I appreciate that because that means it
means something to you, and I'm happy

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about that. So we'll get those
nerves out of the way, no problem.

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So to kick us off, though, there's so much we could talk

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about with you, Henda. You
have such a remarkable life and you have

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navigated through so much. Part of
the reason I wanted to share your message

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not just because you're a dear friend
and I support your message completely and I

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want to share you with my listeners. But the parts about you that I

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think really connect with what our listeners
are maybe tuning in for is that you've

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overcome major adversity, which we can
all relate to and appreciate, and that

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makes you who you are. And
then the other piece about it is the

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identity piece of you've really been able
to transition from one career in information technology

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into real estate, and now you're
adding author to it. So there's a

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couple of things I want to make
sure we cover in the show. Yeah,

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yes, And how about my learning
how to speak Texan? Well,

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let's start first that if you listeners, if you listen to that wonderful accent,

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she's originally from South Africa, and
I love the way that she speaks,

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so English is her second language.
Now we add text in it makes

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out a third Yep, yep,
yep, get her done? All Well

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right, I had to learn all
those things too well to get us started

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here. So you have, as
I say, what I would really call

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remarkable life story. I mean,
it's filled with quite a number of twists

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and turns, which you detail in
your book beautifully. And I wouldest if

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you can to give us kind of
a high level overview of some of those

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aspects that were especially pointing it for
you before you came to the United States.

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And why do you think they were
shaped? They were important for shaping

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who you really are. So what
I'm looking for is like those major milestones

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that you think you hit along the
way that really made you who you are.

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So I arrived in the United States
when I was twenty four in nineteen

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ninety, literally with two suitcases and
five hundred bucks, oh and a bottle

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of Portuguese port. Not to forget
about the port if I look back,

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you know, to me, it
all starts with my book cover. I

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wear on my cover a very deep
royal purple dress, and that color played

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a very big role through most of
my life because my mother gave me away

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wearing that exact color when I was
three years old. And that's probably where

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this journey no doubt starts, because
it is my earliest memory, and sitting

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here today, I can transport myself
to that exact moment as if it was

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yesterday. So for me, in
addition to of course dealing with all sorts

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of worthy issues and abandonment, additionally, I struggled my whole life to find

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out who my father was. And
between finding that identity, I think,

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or the struggle in finding identity,
it really shaped me to where I am

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at today, which is in my
early fifties. My mother remarried a man

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when I was in second grade,
and I went to go live with them

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again after she gave me away for
several years prior, and this very lovely

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scumbag almost rapped me when I was
in my early teens, and instinctively I

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knew that he was not a good
man, and I begged her to send

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me away to boarding school. So
for most of my growing years, I

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grew up in a boarding school where
I was mentored by incredible teachers and academics.

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Really became for me the ticket out
of my circumstances, so to speak,

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for all practical purposes, I should
have been a drug addict and a

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school dropout and live on some bus
bench someway in some city. I graduated

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in state with top honors. I
was head girl of my boarding school,

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very similar to Harry Potter. Growing
up in South Africa, boarding schools were

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not for the rich and wealthy,
but it was rural in many instances apartheid

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South Africa, so it was a
very common thing for us, for many

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of us to be in boarding school. I got scholarships to study at the

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University of Pretoria, and my initial
desire was to study law because I had

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this intense desire to fight for people
that has less strength and less fortune and

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less opportunity. But sadly, like
many other places, in the world,

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attorneys are a dime a dozen,
and I couldn't get scholarship money, and

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instead I was for to go study
computer science because Total Oil, the petroleum

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giant French company, was willing to
give me a full ride. So I

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graduated with the double majors in computer
science and economics. So anyways, very

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quickly as a fifteen year old,
I learned also financial independence by waitressing,

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and I learned to upsell Heaven's behold
if I was your waitress, because you

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were going to end up with more
appetizers and desserts, see it that you

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plan for And I think, you
know, looking back at the end of

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the day. Starting as that little
abandoned child, I always tried to reinvent

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myself and hide the pain and the
shame of growing up in those circumstances.

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And I really became the master chameleon. And part of that was to learn

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to speak English. I studied it
as a second language, like many people

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here in the UA study Spanish,
and you can read it and write it,

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but you lack the confidence of speech. So I really only started speaking

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at when I was about nineteen twenty
nineteen or twenty years old. Does that

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Alanseer. Yeah, that was a
great answer, and there's so much that

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I could peel back on that.
But what I want to do is I

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want to keep going further into your
store. There's a couple other pieces of

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it that I want to pull out, and for the listeners, that's a

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bit of a taste of what she's
written in her book, and you can

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dive more into that for sure.
But one thing I do want to say

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is the way that you describe your
journey, just the things that you've gone

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through, and of course you and
I've had many conversations about this stuff.

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It's really intense. And what I
want a presence for the listeners is that

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the way that we respond to adversity
makes us who we are at the end

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of the day. It makes us
who we are. So it's your response,

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your unique response that you had those
events that I look at and know

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today to be hind of Samaran,
And what I want for the listeners to

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hear from your story is that we're
all going to get that adversity in that

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hardship, some of us more so
than others, and the response to it

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and how we embrace it and fall
that into our being the way that you

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have is what allows us to become
this amazing person like you've become. I

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think for me, a lot of
it had to do. And even to

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this day, if I look just
back on ultra entrants running or you know,

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real estate or whatever. For me, there's no excuses if we take

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excuses off the table and just say, you know, you're not going to

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use your circumstances or the poor me
or the sad meat, just take it

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away, show up every day and
play, be in the arena and play

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the game. And for whatever you
know reason, that was always part of

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my makeup. And you know,
it's the interesting concept of nature or nurture

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right in my case, I totally
believe it was nature that just gifted me

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with that ability to understand you better. You know, just sits up straight

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and show up and rock and roll. And to that end, what I

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like to also remind my listeners of
is that as human beings, we are

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meaning makers. We desperately always look
to create meaning. It's who we are,

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it's what we do, and therefore
we have the ability to choose how

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we make sense of the events in
our lives. We choose what meaning to

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give them, whether they're bad or
good. So you chose to look at

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those events as just something that you
can get through and there's no excuses.

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And that's another piece of your story
that I think is so important and it's

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such a great example and why I
wanted you to share with my listeners.

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That's why the back of my book
cover has the quote from Saint Augustine dating

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back to about sixteen hundred years ago, and Saint Augustine said, the key

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to immortalities first living life worth remembering, and I totally wholeheartedly agree with him,

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and you certainly do live that life. We'll get to some of those

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points as well. And then when
we start, when we start with the

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part of your journey where you get
to the United States, you said you

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were twenty four. You came here
because you were recruited to come to work

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and here in the United States.
And I think also even just that start

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says something about you and how you
navigate things. So tell us about arriving

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in the United States that first job, and I know what happened as you

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settled in to your living quarters.
Well, so I was recruited. It

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was in the years, in the
days before Indian outsourcing, so we were

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hit hunted quite heavily out of South
Africa because we could speak English, we

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actually had advanced computer degrees, and
we were cheap. We would come work

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for a third what they would pay
an equal qualified American. And so I

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was head hunted and take and send
to Winston Sealem, North Carolina, to

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program a computer program at ur J
Mineralds Tobacco. Now, quite honestly,

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I am rather challenged when it comes
to American literature and variety of other things,

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including back then geography, because I
have no idea where North Carolina was.

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Yeah, I actually went and borrowed
a Britannica encyclopedia for those of us

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that lived prior to the World Wide
Web, and I looked up North Carolina,

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and you know, quite honestly,
I didn't even really care because I

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was coming to America. So here
I arrived, and within so the first

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six days they put me in a
hotel, and then I had to find

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an apartment, and I discovered Kmart. Oh my goodness, what an incredible

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choice of just mind numbing choices of
stuff. Well, my first night in

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my new abode, the pipes burst
and the apartments flooded and so I went

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and slept on the couch of my
new colleague, and they raided the apartment.

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Some Wollikins. It's all everything I
owned, very much. The bottle

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of port I stole, the bottle
of cord at my underwear and shoes,

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and the luggage I just came with. And so I literally started with nothing.

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Then the clothes I was wearing.
And I had this little Italian boss,

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and that Monday they heard what happened, and he took me to his

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home and his wife was an MS, pretty advanced MS sufferer, and she

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opened her closet for me, said
take whatever you want. Well, it

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was the nineteen seventies wardrobe. And
so for the first few months in the

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United States, I quite eloquently impersonated
Mary Tyler Moore. But you know,

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I'm so grateful for that woman with
the kindness that she bestowed on me.

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But yeah, that's how my American
dream started, my stars and stripe journey

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to wonderful story and all the color
to it. The different thing I want

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to present for the listeners is the
way that you navigate life and the language

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that you use. Your first language
is Afrikaans, second is English, and

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the way that you use language and
the way that it shows up and the

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way that you use it to as
a way to express yourself but also to

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navigate life is so rich and so
compelling. But that started later. The

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Complexity and Joy of the English language
is another book I'm planning to write,

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sure, because it is quite honestly, I do speak several other languages too,

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and English by far is the most
complicated one. It is. I

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agree. Well, I want to
talk a little bit about your IT career

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because it's part of it, was
part of you. It still is part

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of you because you still use a
lot of the skills that you use then.

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But you made a career as an
IT professional, and I forget all

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the different places you've worked at,
and I don't need you to detail all

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those but I just want you to
comment a bit about that career and what

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you liked about it, what you
got from it in terms of who you

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are today. So after I had
my I got my green card, I

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became a technical consultant for Price Hothouse
Coopers, you know, and and for

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somebody that hated computer science. In
my years at university, I really it

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trained me to think in a very
analytical way and a problem solving way.

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And it also taught me to be
very goals and results oriented, because when

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you write code, it either works
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doesn't maybe work, And so I'm
very appreciative. And to this day I

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still code. I guess once you
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HTML, and I don't know,
I guess if I look back, it

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was my first taste of creating and
also being a control freak. It was

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rather rewarding writing complex code that that's
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Okay, So, and I know
you still do this, You still use

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your programming skills, et cetera.
And I know that you created a lot

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of your own web site matary,
which is just amazing. Now, somehow

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in there, somewhere in there,
you decided to go into real estate.

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So first give us the context.
Why did you want to leave it?

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And then why pursue real estate?
Well, so I had the most perfect

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golden handcuffs. I had a cushy
job in corporate America. I made a

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six figure income, I had employee
benefits, stock options, et cetera,

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et cetera. And then post nine
to eleven, the tech bubble crashed and

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although I had no concerns for my
job, I was a critical point of

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failure. It really horrified me how
the workforce where I was at the time

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was laid off and at the time
they also terminated our telecommuting policy to go

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back into the office after being four
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work from home, you know,
with my children right there at my feet,

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and literally overnight, my entrepreneurial spirit
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a country where I didn't learn how
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school, you went to university,
and then you were in too work for

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people. And I never had the
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through those six months of just witnessing
people's lives being taken away from them,

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I didn't want to be part of
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to do, and after studying my
real estate market, I decided it would

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be a good fit because I'd bring
strong technology, a tremendous work ethic.

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I was very well trained by corporate
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hard, and I closed my eyes
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and everybody thought I was having a
midlife crisis and a nervous breakdown. How

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can you go from an IT tech
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fifteen years ago. It was fifteen
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Well, I moonlighted for six months, and then my first the week of

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Martin Luthery King Weekend, which was
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I started with a panic attack because
I was like, Oh God, what

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have I done? I done?
What have I done? I have had

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no idea how I was going to
make money. I certainly wasn't earning any

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base salary or anything. But it
was also very empowering because I totally accepted

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my destiny in my own hands.
And needless to say, by the end

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of that first year, I was
Rookie of the Year and I have never

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looked back. And I'm so utterly
grateful today that they did terminate that t

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other community policy, because if I
didn't, I probably would never have left

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beautiful way to take us into a
break. I'm Elie Cortes, your host.

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We are in the air with Henda
Samaran, who is an award winning

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real estate broker with Dave Perry Miller
real Estate. She's a breast cancer survivor,

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extreme endurance athlete, and author of
Grit Under My Nails, a memoir

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in three Acts. She joins us
today from Dallas right next to me.

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We've been talking a bit about what's
in her book, what's helped make her

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who she's become in her early career
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Thanks for staying with us, and welcome

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back to Working on Purpose if you're
just joining us. My guest is Henda

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Samaran, an award winning real estate
broker with Dave Perrymiller real Estate, a

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breast cancer survivor, extreme endurance athlete, and author of A Grid Under My

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Nails, a memoir, and Three
Acts. I'm your host, Alise Cortes.

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So, just before the BREAKHNDO,
we were talking about your transition into

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real estate and why you did that
and how you did it, and I

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want to see a couple of things
about that. Again for our listeners,

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there are very well maybe people on
the air right now who are listening to

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your story and they are in part
looking to be inspired by you. And

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a big reason I host this show
and do the work that I do is

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to empower people. I want people
to go after their dreams. I want

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them to be bigger today than they
were yesterday. When you said that you

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part of what that experience was like
for you to go into real estate and

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or be working for yourself and earning
commission, it was empowering. Would you

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say more about that? Not only
was it empowering because my money was directly

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tied to my effort, but it
was also the freedom that came with that.

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I wasn't tied to nine to five. I could decide how I wanted

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to spend my hours, my weeks, my days. And you know,

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I worked hard. I worked very
long hours, seven days a week,

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many weeks fifteen hours a day.
But that was never what scared me away.

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So it really fitted me like a
glove, the fact that I could

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do it on my terms. And
one of the absolute most rewarding things that

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have come from this is the amazing
people I've met. And that was the

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side benefit that I never really considered, But after fifteen years, I look

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back at the phenomenal people that have
given me their door keys, and let

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me into their lives and to me
that the trust DAY have put in my

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guidance, in my service and my
commitment to help them. As you well

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know of to divorce and job changing. Career changing, moving is one of

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the most stressful things people can do
in their lives, and so the job

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satisfaction or work satisfaction that have come
this last fifteen years was just something I

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never anticipated. So part of what
I also appreciate about your story is and

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I talk about this a lot of
notion of what I refer to and what's

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called an academic as work life integration. They no longer say work life balance.

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Nobody believes in that anymore, I
don't think, but work life integration

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is something many of us can get
our arms around. And one of the

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things that I really appreciate and admire
about you is that you have what I

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call and many many of us who
know you, who have met you,

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and over the top way about you. You go about life in an over

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the top way. You are bigger
than life. You fold a lot into

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your life, and so I want
you, if you would, to share

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with our listeners when you think about
this business that you've been in real estate.

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You like the flexibility, how it
allows you to call your day if

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you would say a little bit about
some of the things, the ways that

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you feel your day, just so
that our listeners get an idea of the

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abundance of your life. It comes
back to technology, the freedom that technology

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has given me, and how I
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so I don't look at it anymore
as do I play, do I work,

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do I vacate. It's all just
this big happy mesh of scrambled eggs,

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and I seamlessly just float from one
to the other, many times simultaneously.

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Everybody that knows me will sign that
as my first, you know characteristic.

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And I have successfully, over the
last fifteen years traveled to the corners

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of the world while working. And
I look back and so fondly remember in

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the mountains of Vietnam in a hut
at three o'clock in the morning, where

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I'm on Skype and conducting business from
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dollar property literally from a mud hut, or sitting in Africa on the savannah

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overlooking a water hole while I'm negotiating
a contract. You know, I was,

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I turned fifty and was in Cairo, Egypt, and once again you

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know here my home office was the
Nile. So I think when we remove

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just limitations and we allow ourselves to
assume that we can do anything we want,

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that has been one of the surprises
for me in a way that I'm

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able to earn a really great living
and do it on my terms. I

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want to, of course comment on
that. A couple things that I really

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want to call out is that you
really live and are an example, a

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living, walking example of possibility.
And of course in the work that I

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do around organizational transformation, around performance
breakthrough kind of work where we're all about

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possibility, getting people to see beyond
what is what they think they know to

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be sure today to what could be
tomorrow for themselves. And what I really

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appreciated about your story is that you
really are an examplar of living this incredibly

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full, beautiful life. So all
that travel that you do, all these

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amazing trips that I know you've taken
over the years, and we've talked about,

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the other thing that's great about that
is one you sometimes do those trips

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all by yourself, all by your
lonesome and then other times you bring your

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children with you. Yeah, I
mean, I hear so many people tell

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me always, Oh, I would
love to travel, I just don't have

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anybody to travel with. We know
what, You don't have to have somebody

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with you, because I make a
point when I travel to stay with local

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people home stay. You know,
these days with airbn beats, it's changed

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the way we travel. But I
love to connect with people around the world,

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and so a very important part for
me is not to just be in

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a hotel. I will say,
just as a side note, the one

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thing I always need is WI FI. That is my nod. That's a

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non negotiable. I will come stay
in your mud hut or your bamboo hut,

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or your tent or wherever I need
to stay under a tree as long

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as I have WiFi. It's kind
of sad, but that is my trump

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cart. That is the thing that
enables me to do all this stuff.

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I get that, and I also
appreciate the fact of just the mobility that

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comes with that, I really and
the freedom that comes with that. Okay,

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so the next thing I want to
talk about that I want to call

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it for a listener. So you
and I met somewhere I think in early

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twenty eleven. I remember Bridge distinctly
because I was the president of Lake with

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Service League. We were having a
meeting at one of the members' houses and

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you were the speaker. That's kind
of we had met before, we seen

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each other before, but that's kind
of where the connection really happened. But

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something happened to you that would forever
alter the course of your life. About

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a year or so before that,
maybe two years, I can't remember which,

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you were diagnosed with breast cancer.
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at eight tventy five am in the
morning. To just be exact, some

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things you also never forget. So
if we fast forward to the beginning of

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nine, I was fat, I
was unfit. I worked eighteen hours a

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day and the only thing I've ever
run was around my bed to make it

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to the other side. And so
I discovered, or I realized I needed

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to change my course, and so
I decided to get fit, and over

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about an eight week period, I
lost twelve pounds and that's when I felt

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this little lump, and yeah,
that was if I looked back over the

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line last fifty one years, that
one single thing set in motion domino effect

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that I could never have imagined.
I had a four centimeter tumor. That

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was when we'll get later to the
ins and outs of that that was invisible

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on a mammogram. I had two
surgeries and radiation as well, which kind

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of brought us to the second devastating
event that happened fifty four days later,

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against my doctor's orders. And all
of us will probably agree I was utterly

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stupid. I decided to forge ahead
to go with my family to Peru for

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our summer vacation. And I still
had a bandage right breast, So yeah,

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not the brightest moment of my life. And on August first, two

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thousand and nine, at like eight
o'clock in the morning, I had a

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heart attack and I was in I
to keep up Peru, alone in an

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emergency room, and they were telling
me that half of my heart died and

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that I was probably going to die. And I was lying in this tiny

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little metal cot without my family because
my cellphone had no service, and they

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were at some hotel. And it
was the most terrifying thing that has ever

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happened to me. But also that
set emotion really a liberation that I could

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never have imagined. Well, you
can't leave saying it without one liberation to

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no longer be afraid of dying,
to no longer worry about, to just

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live and make the most of here
now, because that's all we have.

410
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:49.920
And that cliche became completely ingrained in
every fiber of my being. And if

411
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:53.720
it wasn't for those two events,
I'm not sure if it would ever have

412
00:31:53.799 --> 00:32:00.440
moved beyond the cliche. M and
I have heard other people who have vived

413
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:07.119
cancer or other major events like a
heart attack exceeter also say that it alters

414
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.200
the director of their lives permanently.
They can never be the same and in

415
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.720
some of them, but I don't
think quite on your same level. Some

416
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.440
of them certainly say, you know, every single day is precious and I'm

417
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.880
gonna live it to the fullest.
You certainly do that. It's not just

418
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:28.640
each day. Every breath is precious, and with that comes an intensity that

419
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:34.400
scares people, because I understand.
I try and pack in as much as

420
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.839
I can in the twenty four hours. I wish I could negotiate twenty nine,

421
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:45.519
but sadly twenty four. But I
do try, and really it's my

422
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:51.680
life is from my inhale to my
exhale, and all we we know it

423
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.839
will end. We know we will
die, what not what we don't know

424
00:32:55.960 --> 00:33:00.559
is when. But I'm no longer
afraid. It's removing. I think that

425
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:08.160
fear that brings real supreme liberation to
one's thoughts. One of the things that

426
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.960
you have jokingly said about yourself or
describe yourself such which I completely agree,

427
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:21.240
is you're a stiff drink, very
stiff one that scarse mose people that in

428
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:27.960
particular. Yeah, I've been dumbed. The singles reason frequent reason is I'm

429
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.440
too much. Yeah, well so
sorry darling. Yeah I know, I

430
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:37.000
know, next next to next time. But the reason I wanted to bring

431
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.119
that up is one any of my
listeners have been listening for a while know

432
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:44.559
that I really really love to empower
people across the world the planet, and

433
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.000
I enjoy and appreciate so much my
listeners who come in. Thank you,

434
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:52.240
China, Japan, India for joining
us. It's amazing to have your company

435
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.200
over the airwaves. And the other
thing that I also really care about is

436
00:33:55.279 --> 00:34:00.079
I really want to be a stand
for empowering women to really be fully in

437
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.119
their power and I know it's not
necessarily popular, especially when you're very,

438
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.679
very very strong as you are,
and so I want to celebrate your strength

439
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:14.119
and the fact that you're a stiff
drink and so cheers, no question,

440
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:20.960
no apologies. So one of the
things too that I appreciate about too is

441
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.360
here you go through breast cancer,
get treatment, fifty four days later,

442
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:29.800
have your heart attack, and then
not long after that, you trot yourself

443
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.239
down to Austin, which is the
capital city of Texas, for your listeners

444
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:38.320
like maybe hind and I who aren't
very great with geography, and you decided

445
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.760
that you needed to help other women
who were battling with the potential of breast

446
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.920
cancer because they were living under the
false auspice of security with a mammogram.

447
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.679
So den Spread's tissue was really what
you wanting to surface. And so you

448
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.280
went down to Austin and you got
a bill passed talk to us about this.

449
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:02.360
So here I am with a four
centimeter tumor that's invisible on a mammogram,

450
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.760
and I had four Like many of
us women, we believe mammograms were

451
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.119
full proof. And when I sat
there on June ninth, when I was

452
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:16.159
given a later stage diagnosis, and
I said to them, well, sorry,

453
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:20.760
I'm kind of stupid, but help
me out. How do you miss

454
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:22.800
a tumor of that size? And
I say to me, well, you

455
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:28.280
have dense breast tissue. Now all
of us can agree that none of us

456
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.960
would come up with those three words
together in one sentence. And when I

457
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.760
asked them, so, how didn't
I know about this dense breast tissue I

458
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.760
have? I learned that it wasn't
the standard of care to tell us,

459
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.639
and that to me was unacceptable because
at the end of the day, any

460
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:50.719
of us know that cancer survival lies
in early detection, and I wasn't given

461
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:54.639
the chance of early detection. And
so we're also not a lot of many

462
00:35:54.639 --> 00:36:00.960
other women. Because fifty percent of
women have dense breasts and forty percent of

463
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:05.800
tumors are missed on a mammogram.
We're talking massive numbers. And so on

464
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.679
June tenth, twenty two thousand and
nine, I called my state representative and

465
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:15.639
I literally begged him to help me
change the standard of care. And two

466
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:20.599
years later, after learning how to
be a lobbyist and being down in Austin

467
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:27.519
for the six months of the twenty
eleven Legislative year. On June seventeenth,

468
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.599
at four pm, Governor Perry signed
Handers Law, exactly two years to the

469
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.719
day of my first surgery. And
you know, I look back on it

470
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:43.760
and I think the main reason I
was able to succeed was first I was

471
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:49.000
underestimated, as often happens, and
then I also had a lot of help

472
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:53.280
from incredible people on this journey in
Austin, and then also just sheer luck.

473
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:59.599
And today I'm very proud to say
that there's less than ten states left

474
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:06.480
that do not have dense breast legislation. And back then we Texas was the

475
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:12.679
second state, and within about twelve
months we had New York, California,

476
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:16.000
and Virginia, Texas and Connecticut,
and we had more than thirty five percent.

477
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:22.239
And the tipping point, ladies and
gentlemen, that's what you call impact

478
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.719
and takes us another to another break. I'm Elisee Cortez, your host.

479
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.280
We went on the air with Handa
Samaran, who is an award winning real

480
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.440
estate broker with Dave Perry Miller Real
Estate, a breast cancer survivor, extreme

481
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.360
endurance athlete, and author of Grit
Under My Nails and memoir In Three Acts.

482
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.079
She joined it today from Dallas,
Texas. After the break, we'll

483
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:51.039
talk more about her journey staying with
us. We'll be right back. Friend

484
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Se at Elisecortes dot com. Now back

507
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to Working on Purpose. Thanks for
staying with us, and welcome back to

508
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:27.880
working on Purpose. If you're just
tuning in. My guest is hend to

509
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:31.159
Samaran an award winning real estate work
with Dave Perrymiller, real estate breast cancer

510
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:36.480
survivor, extreme endurance athlete, author
of Grit Under My Nails and memoir and

511
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.000
Three Acts and I want to add
the mother of two amazing children, Mateo

512
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:43.159
and Dominique, both of whom I
love. I'm your host, Alise Cortez.

513
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.840
So let's talk a little bit more
about Henda's law because what I also

514
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:52.480
want to share and presence for the
listeners is that talk about taking something true

515
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:58.639
adversity and turning it into something beautiful
for so many people. Well, I

516
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:06.159
think when we are given a diagnosis
of such magnitude, I personally needed to

517
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.280
know that there was purpose to it, and that's what Hindus Luw has given

518
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:16.679
me. I know I've impacted thousands
and thousands of lives and the fact that

519
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:21.960
I could save one has given me
more purpose than I could ever have imagined.

520
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:24.280
So listeners, for you to understand
what a little bit warm of what

521
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:27.880
she means by that, so at
least here in Texas and she can come

522
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:31.440
in on the other states is women
who have dense breastissue and I do too.

523
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:35.440
By the way, when they get
their mammogrand, there's something on there

524
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.639
that says you have dense breast tissue, you might want to look at other

525
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:44.679
screening mechanisms per Hinda's law. So
that's how women start to get alerted to

526
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:49.599
the fact that this isn't necessarily all
there is for screening. So the impact

527
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:54.079
is enormous and it's probably if I
look back, the thing I'm one of

528
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:58.840
the most proudest things other than being
my kid's mom. Now, one thing

529
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.440
that would be important also to say
about what percentage of the population has dense

530
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:08.119
breast tissue. Fifty percent of women
have dense breast tissue, and it affects

531
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:13.599
young women in particular because as you
go through menopause, your breast becomes automatically

532
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:19.320
less dense. And it's not how
big they are or how muscily you are,

533
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.880
it's got nothing to do with that. It's a genetic combination of you're

534
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:30.719
fat your tissue. It's an amazing
triumph. And I remember when you called

535
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.800
me when you said you know it's
past. It was amazing. What a

536
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:37.119
moment. And now the fact that
it's cascaded all those other states, the

537
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.559
ripple effect, I really want to
acknowledge you for that amazing gift that you've

538
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.679
given to other women across at least
the United States well, and if I

539
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.400
have my way, we will make
it all over the world. Just give

540
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.280
me a few more years. So
listeners, if you want to help,

541
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.599
we'll tell you letter how to find
her. So hang with us. But

542
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:58.800
in this last segment, I want
to move on to this next chapter of

543
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.519
your life. You're adding author to
the long list of things that make you

544
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.280
who you are, and you're about
to embark really on a new journey where

545
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:13.280
you want to go out and start
sharing your message with more people in addition

546
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.000
to your real estate career. And
I know that there are people listening who

547
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:21.480
desperately want to transform their lives into
something else. In fact, just today,

548
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:23.719
when I was at the airport leaving
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, I heard a

549
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.760
gentleman say I want to be in
business for myself so badly I can taste

550
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.320
it. And the guy he was
talking to was just like, okay,

551
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:35.199
well whatever, Well for him,
this is really important. So this new

552
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:42.239
journey that you're going on, it's
big, it's bold. Tell us about

553
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.920
it. What do you hope to
do in it? So it's utterly mind

554
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:51.719
numbingly terrifying. Can we add those
yes adjectives? Please? Yeah? So

555
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.000
I hope I can transform myself one
more time. I do want to use

556
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.320
this book. So to just let
you in, how does a non English

557
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:04.480
speak, actually get to write sixty
eight thousand were two hundred and fifty page

558
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.719
book. Well slowly number one,
and then over three years, every night

559
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:13.880
because by day I am selling real
estate and I also have two kids.

560
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.840
But slowly, over the course of
three years, I learned fluency. And

561
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.039
it started because I was afraid I
was going to die, and I was

562
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.599
terrified that my children wouldn't know me, and having grown up with really no

563
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:30.840
family, I knew that the only
way I could share with them my story

564
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.559
was to tell it to them,
and that's where the journey started. It

565
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:40.000
was very rough the first year.
The second year I learned similes and alliteration.

566
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.280
Metaphors are still a little out of
my reach. Maybe by my second

567
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:52.239
book I master that skill. And
then a year ago I embarked on a

568
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:59.000
very transformational journey because I decided to
also record an audio version of my book,

569
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:04.920
narrated by the author me. And
it was terrifying, beyond belief,

570
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.679
standing in a recording booth trying to
learn how to be a voiceover actor,

571
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:12.480
because you can't just read the book, I mean, people will fall asleep

572
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:17.199
for Hiven's sake, And by standing
in that booth, for many many months,

573
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:22.360
every week for an hour, I
learned my voice, and I learned

574
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.960
how to tell my story, and
I learned how I wanted to tell my

575
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:30.039
story. And that's when I turned
to my editor and I said, well,

576
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.159
my book is not going to have
any chapter. She said, well,

577
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.880
you can't write a book without chapters. I'm like, well, watch

578
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:40.519
me, We're going to have three
acts. And anyways, my proudest moment

579
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:44.440
is going to be, well,
I'm so proud. In about a month,

580
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:49.920
we will be publishing the audio audible. And that was really giving birth

581
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.679
to a third child. I can
well imagine. As you know, I've

582
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.800
been working on my book for a
couple of years now too, so I

583
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.719
hope it's on a similar timeline as
yours. You took you three years now

584
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.800
might get me longer. But you've
already been asked to speak to audiences about

585
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.159
the book. People already come in
to saying, come talk to us about

586
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.320
this, tell us the story.
How do you plan to take this new

587
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:14.440
venture forth in your life professionally,
Well, I want to use the book

588
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.079
to launch a public speaking career because
I do want to tell my story.

589
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:22.320
I do feel so many of us
grew up with you know, we all

590
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:27.199
have stories. We all have you
know, bad childhoods, or we've been

591
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.719
hurt, We've been you know,
felt unworthy, unloved and abandoned. And

592
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:37.159
I think in this last next phase, I really want to reach out to

593
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.280
people to where just knowing that you're
not alone, just knowing you connected.

594
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:47.480
It's really come down to me to
connection. I'm a storyteller, and our

595
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:53.239
stories tie us together. And it's
some very powerful for me to stand in

596
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:58.920
a room looking out with people and
connecting to them through by being willing to

597
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:04.960
be authentic and vulnerable and sharing with
them my road to worthiness. It is

598
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:12.920
a universal condition, in my opinion, incredibly beautiful and also something that I

599
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.400
want to present for the listeners is
something I say often when I'm doing a

600
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:20.199
program or speaking to other groups,
as I talk about the fact that our

601
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.800
life stories really represent who we are, our identities, and because there are

602
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:28.079
life stories and we are the authors, we can always rewrite our life story

603
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.559
however we want. And I truly
think if you stop being afraid of failure,

604
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:38.199
you know I have no embarrassment left
after sharing my intimate thoughts and the

605
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:42.000
story of my life with strangers.
I might as well go sit at the

606
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.159
mall but naked, because they just
know secrets left. But you know what,

607
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:50.159
with that comes liberation, because I
don't care anymore what people think,

608
00:47:50.960 --> 00:48:00.320
and just within there lies a powerful
transformation in itself. Those lines one of

609
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.559
the other things as I think about
your new journey going forward, Hinda,

610
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.880
and what you're planning to do,
coming out as a speaker and going to

611
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:13.239
present, I know because of the
research that I've been doing that work can

612
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give us lots of different kinds of
things beyond just a paycheck. It can

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give us our identities, It can
give us connection, It can give us

614
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a sense of purpose. I feel
I live my purpose through the work that

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I do in my various channels.
So there's lots of things that work can

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give us. What do you hope
this new venture will bring you for you?

617
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You know, I don't think there's
just one thing. Obviously, I

618
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will keep writing. I think what
I want more than anything is to be

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free from location. I'm a nomad. I'm happy when I roam my beautiful

620
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world, and I want to see
as many sunsets and sunrises over as many

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mountaintops and oceans as I can,
and for me to be able to do

622
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that. I don't want to need
Wi Fi anymore, and so ultimately,

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as much as I love really state, I have eighteen months before my daughter

624
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.480
graduates from high school, and I'm
an empty Nesta and I will give everything

625
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and work as many hours as it's
necessary for the next eighteen months to see

626
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if I can realize this dream.
And I have no doubt that I will.

627
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Why would I not do this one
thing one more time? So that's

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my dream, to be free from
just having to live in one place.

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Because visual is so important. Paint
that picture for our listeners. Tell us

630
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what it looks like when you've become
free from time and Wi Fi and place.

631
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What does your life look like?
What are you doing? I want

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to travel the world and talk to
women about empowerment because I do believe there

633
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is a lot of women, not
just in this country but across the world

634
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that are emerging and discovering the power
of just being a woman. You know,

635
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it's a great time in our lives. I'm a hashtag me too also

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and from thanks to my stepfather,
But I would love to travel the Third

637
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World, particularly Africa and emerging cultures
and go speak to women I'm African at

638
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the end of the day, and
so I would love to spend time in

639
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Africa, and you know, just
I don't know, go to Venice for

640
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three months and learn Italian and go
to Bangkok, which I love, and

641
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just gorge myself on street food,
or you know, ride on horseback with

642
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the Great Migration from the Massamara to
Serengetti, or just sit in a little

643
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house in Cape Town overlooking the ocean. I don't know. I the world

644
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is my oyster. How beautiful is
that? And I wanted you to share

645
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that because it's so important to dream. It's so so important. I know

646
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so many people not I do just
know people. I know of so many

647
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:14.559
people, and it's very sad that
literally are walking through life really dead.

648
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They're waiting for the end of the
day. They're waiting for the end of

649
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the week so they can really start
their life. And I really want for

650
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:22.760
part of the reason I wanted to
have you on the showhand is I think

651
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that you represent such possibility for people. When they can access and hear your

652
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:31.880
story, there's hope for them that
there really is possibility out there. We

653
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:36.960
can't wait to start living our life. You know, I have three peoples

654
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.719
next to my bed, and they
represent each of them are the ten summers

655
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:44.400
I have left in a fortunate man's
life, and I see them every morning.

656
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.840
I have twenty eight summers left if
I'm lucky. Yeah, we need

657
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:53.519
to take it serious. It's here
and now and burn the boats. You

658
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:59.760
know it work for the Vikings.
I've burnt my boats. They have flamed.

659
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:05.800
There's no escape. I hete we
go. And I think there's something

660
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.440
about commitment that you're talking about right
when you talk about committing something and then

661
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:12.559
just going for it. Put your
head down and go for it, and

662
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:17.159
don't give yourself an out. Yeah, just don't give yourself any excuse not

663
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to do it. There's a lot
more that you could probably say, but

664
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we're already just a couple of minutes
away from closing the show, and I

665
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:29.599
like to give my guest the last
word, if you will, what would

666
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.000
you like to leave our listeners with
today? And say maybe about a minute

667
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:36.880
or so. So it took me
the best part of fifty years to be

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00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.199
free of the weight and shame of
my childhood. And in my book they

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are many poems that matter really a
lot in my life. However, there's

670
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:51.199
one that matters the most, and
it's by Raymond Carver Late Fragment. This

671
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.840
was the last poem he ever wrote. He died when he was fifty years

672
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:58.360
old. He wrote this the week
before his death. He died of breast

673
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:02.400
cancer. I'm sorry cancer on cancer, and it really sums up for me

674
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:07.920
everything. And did you get what
you wanted from this life? Even so

675
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:15.800
I did? And what did you
want to call myself beloved? To feel

676
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.280
myself beloved on the earth? Oh? That is an incredibly beautiful Hinda,

677
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.719
just like this conversation. I really
have enjoyed every moment of this. You

678
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.719
and I have talked about many of
these things over and over again through the

679
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.320
years we've known each other, and
getting to share you and your message with

680
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:37.239
my listeners has really been a precious
treasure. Thank you. I'm so honored

681
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:43.159
to be here listeners. I would
really like to encourage you to consider this

682
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:46.440
an introduction, so please, this
is we're opening the dialogue here and we

683
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:51.079
always like to hear from you as
to what you got out of these conversations,

684
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.400
So drop you can drop me a
line at Alice Cortes for on Twitter

685
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.800
if you want to learn more.
About Hinda and interact with her, and

686
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.480
I hope you absolutely will. The
best way to find her is one of

687
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.880
her websites, which is Grit undermynails
dot com. So that's the name of

688
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:10.000
her book, Grit undermnails dot com. And it would be great if you

689
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:14.360
could just let her know what did, what did? What resonated about her

690
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:15.760
message with you. Let's let her
know that, let me know that.

691
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:20.360
And the book. The book is
on Amazon. The book is on Amazon.

692
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.320
Please, yes, it's already out. Oh yes, yes, we

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00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.400
published it this last month. Okay, great. Next week we will be

694
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:29.599
on the air with Andrew Zince and
we'll be talking about leadership, emotional and

695
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.079
relational intelligence for women and her new
book. She has one out as well.

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So you then remember that work is
at least one third of our life.

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00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:45.199
So let's work on purpose. We
hope you've enjoyed this week's program.

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Be sure to tune into Working on
Purpose featuring your host Alis Cortes, every

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00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:55.119
Wednesday at six pm Eastern Time three
pm Pacific time on the Voice America Empowerment

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Channel. This week, find your
life's purpose at work