Life Takes Grit - And Gives Much When We Rise to Challenge

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host Elise Cortez. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration from those
people who have found deeper meaning and

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personal connection to their work life.
It's beyond nine to five. It's working

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on Purpose. Now Here is your
host, Elise Cortez. Welcome back to

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the Working on Purpose Show. Thanks
for tuning in again this week. I'm

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your host, Elise Cortez, joining
from very rainy Dallas Texts today. It's

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home base for me. This program
is all about helping people more meaningfully and

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productively connect with their work and equipping
organizations to do the same for their employees.

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So I bring on guests who have
a particular perspective or experience that I

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think expands the conversation. I often
draw the medium work research I've been doing

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over the last fifteen years in the
book that I'm writing, as well as

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my consulting, including the work that
I do today at Insignium, a global

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matchement consulting firm. I will get
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Thank you jobbing dot Com. Last
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live, you can always catch it
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Customer Engagement. We talked about building
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just good for business, but also
for engaging the hearts and minds of employees.

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Really great interesting conversation. Be sure
to catch it with us. This

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week is Henda sam Muran, an
award winning real estate broker with Dave Perry

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Miller, real estate, breast cancer
survivor, extreme endurance athlete, and now

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also an author. She just published
her memoir, Grit under My Nails,

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a memoir in three acts. We'll
be talking about some of the critical points

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in her life that have helped make
her who she is today. How transition

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from being an information technology professional into
real estate guru and what she hopes people

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listening to her message will ultimately get. She joins me today, right next

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to me in my studio hand out, welcome to working on purpose. It's

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very exciting. It's a complete new
medium for me. So I'm rather than

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nervous in a little funny way.
That's amazing considering all that you've done.

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It's really amazing, and I appreciate
that because that means it means something to

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you, and I'm happy about that. So we'll get those nerves out of

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the We no problem. So to
kick us off, though, there's so

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much we could talk about with you, and you have such a remarkable life

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and you have navigated through so much. Part of the reason I wanted to

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share your message not just because you're
a dear friend and I support your message

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completely and I want to share you
with my listeners. But the parts about

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you that I think really connect with
what our listeners are maybe tuning in for,

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is that you've overcome major adversity,
which we can all relate to and

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appreciate, and that makes you who
you are. And then the other piece

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about it is the identity piece of
how you've really been able to transition from

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one career in information technology into real
estate, and now you're adding author to

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it. So there's a couple of
things I want to make sure we cover

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in the show. Yeah, yes, And how about my learning how to

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speak Texan? Well, let's start
first that if you listeners, if you

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listen to that wonderful accent, she's
originally from South Africa, and I love

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the way that she speaks. So
English is her second language. Now we

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add Texan, it makes out a
third. Yep, yep, yep,

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get her done? All Well,
right, I had to learn all those

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things too well to get us started
here. So you have, as I

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say, what I would really call
remarkable life story. I mean, it's

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filled with quite a number of twists
and turns, which you detail in your

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book beautifully, and I honest,
if you can to give us kind of

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a high level overview of some of
those aspects that were especially pointing it for

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you before you came to the United
States, And why do you think they

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were shaped? They were important for
shaping who you really are. So what

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I'm looking for is like those major
milestones that you think you hit along the

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way that really made you who you
are so. I arrived in the United

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States when I was twenty four in
nineteen ninety, literally with two suitcases and

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five hundred bucks, oh and a
bottle of Portuguese port. Not to forget

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about the port if I look back, you know, to me, it

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or starts with my book cover.
I wear on my cover a very deep

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royal purple dress, and that color
played a very big role through most of

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my life because my mother gave me
away wearing that exact color when I was

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three years old. And that's probably
where this journey, no doubt starts,

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because it is my earliest memory,
and sitting here today, I can transport

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myself to that exact moment as if
it was yesterday. So for me,

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in addition to of course dealing with
all sorts of worthy issues and abandonment,

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additionally, I struggled my whole life
to find out who my father was.

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And between finding that identity, I
think, or the struggle in finding identity,

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it really shaped me to where I
am at today, which is in

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my early fifties. My mother remarried
a man when I was in my second

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grade, and I went to go
live with them again after she gave me

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away. For several years prior,
and this very lovely scumbag almost raped me

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when I was in my early teens, and instinctively I knew that he was

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not a good man, and I
begged her to send me away to boarding

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school. So for most of my
growing years, I grew up in a

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boarding school where I was mentored by
incredible teachers and academics. Really became for

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me the ticket out of my circumstances, so to speak, for all practical

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purposes, I should have been a
drug addict and a drop school dropout and

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live on some US bench somewhere in
some city. I graduated instead with top

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honors. I was head girl of
my boarding school, very similar to a

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Harry Potter. Growing up in South
Africa, boarding schools were not for the

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rich and wealthy, but it was
rural in many instances apartheid South Africa,

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so it was a very common thing
for us, for many of us to

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be in boarding school. I got
scholarships to study at the University of Pretoria,

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and my initial desire was to study
law because I had this intense desire

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to fight for people that were that
has less strength and less fortune and less

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opportunity. But sadly, like many
other places in the world, attorneys or

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a dime a dozen, and I
couldn't get scholarship money. And instead I

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was to go study computer science because
Total Oil, the petroleum giant French company,

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was willing to give me a full
ride. So I graduated with a

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double majors in computer science and economics. So anyways, very quickly as a

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fifteen year old, I learned also
financial independence by waitressing, and I learned

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to upsell Heaven's behold if I was
your waitress, because you were going to

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end up with more appetizers and deserts. See it, and you can that

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you plan for and I think,
you know, looking back at the end

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of the day, Starting as that
little abandoned child, I always really tried

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to reinvent myself and hide the pain
and the shame of growing up in those

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circumstances. And I really became the
master chameleon. And part of that was

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to learn to speak English. I
studied it as a second language, like

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many people here in the US studies
Spanish, and you can read it and

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write it, but you lack the
confidence of speech. So I really only

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started speaking it when I was about
nineteen twenty nineteen or twenty years old.

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Does that ans it? Yeah,
that was a great answer, and there's

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so much that I could peel back
on that. But what I want to

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do is I want to keep going
further into your store. There's a couple

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of the pieces of it that I
want to pull out, and for the

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listeners, that's a bit of a
taste of what she's written in her book,

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and you can dive more into that
for sure. But one thing I

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do want to say is the way
that you describe your journey, just the

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things that you've gone through, and
of course you and I've had many conversations

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about this stuff. It's really intense. And what I want a presence for

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the listeners is that the way that
we respond to adversity makes us who we

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are at the end of the day. It makes us who we are.

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So it's your response, your unique
response that you had those events that I

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look at and know today to be
hind to sam Ran and I. What

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I want for the listeners to hear
your story is that we're all going to

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get that adversity in that hardship,
some of us more so than others.

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And the response Toldren how we embrace
it and fold that into our being.

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The way that you have is what
allows us to become this amazing person like

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you've become. I think for me, a lot of it had to do

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and even to this day, if
I looked just back on all train,

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trance, running, or you know, real estate or whatever. For me,

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there's no excuses if we take excuses
off the table and just say,

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you know, you're not going to
use your circumstances or the poor me or

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the sad me, just take it
away, show up every day and play

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being the arena and play the game. And for whatever you know reason,

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that was always part of my makeup. And you know, it's an interesting

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concept of nature or nurture right in
my case, I totally believe it was

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nature that just gifted me with that
ability to understand you better. You know,

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just sits up straight and show up
and rock and roll. And to

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that end, what I like to
also remind my listeners of is that as

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human beings, we are meaning makers. We desperately always look to create meaning.

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It's who we are, it's what
we do, and therefore we have

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the ability to choose how we make
sense of the events in our lives.

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We choose what we need to give
them, whether they're bad or good.

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So you chose to look at those
events as just something that you can get

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through and there's no excuses. And
that's another piece of your story that I

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think is so important and it's such
a great example and why I wanted you

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to share with my listeners. That's
why the back of my book cover has

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the quote from Saint Augustine dating back
to about sixteen hundred years ago, and

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Saint Augustine said the key to immortalities
first living a life worth remembering, and

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I totally wholeheartedly agree with him,
and you certainly do live that life.

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We'll get to some of those points
as well. And then when we start,

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when we start with the part of
your journey where you get to the

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United States, you said you were
twenty four. You came here because you

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were recruited to come to work and
here in the United States. And I

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think also even just that start says
something about you and how you navigate things.

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So tell us about arriving in the
United States that first job, and

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I know what happened as you settled
in to your living quarters. Well,

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so I was recruited it was in
the years, in the days before Indian

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outsourcing. So we were head hunted
quite heavily out of South Africa because we

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could speak English, we actually had
advanced computer degrees, and we were cheap.

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We would come work for a third
what they would pay an equal qualified

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American. And so I was head
hunted and take and send to Winston Salem,

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North Carolina, to program computer program
at our Jamnalds Tobacco. Now,

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quite honestly, I am rather challenged
when it comes to American literature and variety

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of other things, including back then
geography, because I have no idea where

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North Carolina was. Yeah, I
actually went and borrowed an All Britannica encyclopedia

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for those of us that lived prior
to the World Wide Web, and I

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looked up North Carolina. And you
know, quite honestly, I didn't even

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really care because I was coming to
America. So here I arrived, and

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within so the first six days they
put me in a hotel, and then

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I had to find an apartment and
I discovered Kmart. Oh my goodness,

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what an incredible choice of just mind
numbing choices of stuff. Well, my

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first night in my new abode the
pipes burst and the apartment's flooded, and

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so I went and slept on the
couch of my new colleague, and they

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raided the apartment. Some Willikins and
all everything I owned, what he very

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much, the bottle of I stole
the bottle of the court at my underwear

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and shoes and the luggage I just
came with. And so I literally started

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with nothing. Then the clothes I
was wearing. And I had this little

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Italian boss, and that Monday they
heard what happened, and he took me

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to his home and his wife was
an MS, pretty advanced MS sufferer,

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and she opened her closet for me, said take whatever you want. Well,

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it was the nineteen seventies wardrobe.
And so for the first few months

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in the United States, I'm quite
eloquently impersonated Mary Tyland Moore. But you

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know, I'm so grateful for that
woman with the kindness that she bestowed on

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me. But yeah, that's how
my American dreams started, my stars and

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striped journey. That's a wonder story
and all the color to it. The

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other thing I want to present for
the listeners is the way that you navigate

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life and the language that you use. Your first language is Afrikaans, second

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is English, and the way that
you use language and the way that it

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shows up and the way that you
use it as a way to express yourself

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but also to navigate life is so
rich and so compelling. But that started

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later. The complexity and joy of
the English language is another book I'm planning

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to write, sure, because it
is quite honestly, I do speak several

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other languages too, and English by
far is the most complicated one. It

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is. I agree. Well,
I want to talk a little bit about

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your IT career because it's part of
it was part of you. It still

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is part of you because you still
use a lot of the skills that you

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use then. But you made a
career as an ID professional, and I

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forget all the different places you've worked
at, and I don't need you to

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detail all those but I just want
you to comment a bit about that career

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and what you liked about it,
what you got from it in terms of

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who you are today. So after
I had I got my green card,

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I became a technical consultant for Price
Hoathouse Coopers, you know, and and

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for somebody that hated computer science.
In my years at university. I really

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it trained me to think in a
very analytical way and a problem solving way,

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and it also taught me to be
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when you write code, it either
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it doesn't maybe work, And so
I'm very appreciative. And to this day,

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I still code. I guess,
once you're a gig, you've just

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always always a gig. And sadly
I have, you know, still code

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my websites at night and write HTML. And I don't know, I guess

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if I look back, it was
my first taste of creating and also being

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a control freak. It was rather
rewarding writing complex code that it exactly what

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I wanted it to do. Okay, So, and I know you still

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do this. You still used your
programming skills, et cetera. And I

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know that you've created a lot of
your own website material, which is just

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amazing. Now, somehow in there, somewhere in there, you decided to

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go into real estate. So first
give us the context. Why did you

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want to leave it? And then
why I pursue real estate? Well,

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so I had the most perfect golden
handcuffs. I had a cushy job in

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corporate America, I made a six
figure income, I had employee benefits,

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stock options, etc. Etc.
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tech bubble crashed and although I had
no concerns for my job, I was

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a critical point of failure. It
really horrified me how the workforce where I

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was at the time was laid off. And at the time they also terminated

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our telecommuting policy. So I to
go back into the office after being four

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years, you know, being able
to work from home, you know,

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with my children right there at my
feet, and literally overnight, my entrepreneurial

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spirit was born. I grew up
in a country where I didn't learn how

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to be an entrepreneur. You went
to school, you went to university,

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and then you were in too work
for people. And I never had the

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concept really to work for myself.
But through those six months of just witnessing

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people's lives being taken away from them, I didn't want to be part of

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that anymore. But I didn't know
what to do, and after studying my

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real estate market, I decided it
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strong technology, a tremendous work ethic. I was very well trained by corporate

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America, and I wasn't afraid to
work hard, and I closed my eyes

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and I literally jumped off the cliff, and everybody thought I was having a

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midlife crisis and a nervous breakdown.
How can you go from an IT tech

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person to selling real commission based real
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I was thinking back then, and
I was fifteen years ago. It was

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fifteen years ago. I actually started
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months, and then my first the
week of Martin Luther King Weekend, which

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was I think January two thousand and
three. I started with a panic attack

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because I was like, Oh God, what have I done? Have I

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done? What have I done?
I have had no idea how it was

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going to make money. I certainly
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But it was also very empowering because
I totally accepted my destiny in my own

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hands. And needless to say,
by the end of that first year,

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I was Rookie of the Year and
I have never looked back. And I'm

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so utterly grateful today that they did
terminate that t other community policy, because

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if I didn't, I probably would
never have left beautiful way to take us

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into a break. Henda. I'm
Elise Cortez, your host. We're on

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the air with Henda Samaran, who
is an award winning real estate broker with

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Dave Perry Miller real Estate. She's
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She joins us today from Dallas right
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bit about what's in her book,
what's helped make her who she's become,

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in it are now real estate. After

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staying with us, and welcome back
to Working on Purpose if you're just joining

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Dave Perry Miller real Estate, a
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I'm your host, Elise Cortez.
So, just before the break, Canda,

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we were talking about your transition into
real estate and why you did that

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and how you did it, and
I want to see a couple of things

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about that again for our listeners,
there are very well maybe people on the

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air right now, who are listening
to your story and they are in part

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looking to be inspired by you.
And a big reason I host this show

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and do the work that I do
is to empower people. I want people

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to go after their dreams. I
want them to be bigger today than they

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were yesterday. When you said that
you part of what that experience was like

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for you to go into real ship
and be or be working for yourself and

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earning commission, it was empowering.
Would you say more about that? Not

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only was it empowering because my money
was directly tied to my effort, but

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it was also the freedom that came
with that. I wasn't tied to nine

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to five. I could decide how
I wanted to spend my hours, my

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weeks, my days. And you
know, I worked hard. I worked

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very long hours, seven days a
week, many weeks fifteen hours a day,

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but that was never what scared me
away. So it really fitted me

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like a glove. The fact that
I could do it on my terms.

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And one of the absolute most rewarding
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amazing people I've met. And that
was the side benefit that I never really

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considered, but after fifteen years,
I look back at the phenomenal people that

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have given me their under keys and
let me into their lives, and to

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me that the trust they have put
in my guidance and my service and my

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commitment to help them. As you
well know, after divorce and job changing,

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career changing, moving is one of
the most stressful things people can do

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in their lives, and so the
job satisfaction or work satisfaction that have come

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this last fifteen years was just something
I never anticipated. So part of what

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I also appreciate about your story is
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notion of what I refer to and
what's called an academy as work life integration.

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They no longer say work life belts. Nobody believes in that anymore,

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I don't think, but work life
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our arms around. And one of
the things that I really appreciate and admire

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about you is that you have what
I call and many many of us who

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know you, who are met you, and over the top way about you.

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You go about life in an over
the top way. You are bigger

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than life. You fold a lot
into your life, and so I want

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you, if you would to share
with our listeners. When you think about

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this business that you've been in real
estate, you like the flexibility, but

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how it allows you to call your
day if you would say a little bit

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about some of the things, the
ways that you fill your day, just

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so that our listeners get an idea
of the abundance of your life. It

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comes back to technology, the freedom
that technology has given me, and how

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I have integrated that into my business. And so I don't look at it

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anymore as do I play, do
I work, do I vacate. It's

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all just this big, happy mesh
of scrambled eggs, and I seamlessly just

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float from one to the other,
many times simultaneously. And I have literally,

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you know, travel, I'm a
travel junkie. Everybody that knows me

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will sign that as my first characteristic. And I have successfully, over the

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last fifteen years traveled to the corners
of the world while while working. And

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I look back and so fondly remember
in the mountains of Vietnam in a hut

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at three o'clock in the morning,
where I'm on Skype and conducting business from

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you know, selling a half a
million dollar property literally from a mud hut,

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and or sitting in Africa on the
savannah overlooking a water hole while I'm

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negotiating a contract. You know I
was, I turned fifty and was in

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Cairo, Egypt, and once again, you know here my home office was

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the Nile. So I think when
we remove just limitations and we allow ourselves

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to assume that we can do anything
we want, that has been one of

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the surprises for me in a way
that I'm able to earn a really great

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living and do it on my terms. I want to, of course comment

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on that. A couple of things
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that you really live and are an
example, a living, walking example of

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possibility. And of course in the
work that I do around organizational transformation,

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around performance breakthrough kind of work where
we're all about possibility, getting people to

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see beyond what is what they think
they know to be sure today to what

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could be tomorrow for themselves. And
what I really appreciate about your story is

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that you you really are an example
are of living this incredibly full, beautiful

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life. So all that travel that
you do, all these amazing trips that

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I know you've taken over the years, and we've talked about the other thing

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that's great about that is one you
sometimes do those trips all by yourself,

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all by your lonesome, and then
other times you bring your children with you.

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so many people tell me always,

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Oh, I would love to travel. I just don't have anybody to travel

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with. We know what, you
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I make a point when I travel
to stay with local people homestay. You

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know, these days with airbnbats,
it's changed the way we travel. But

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I love to connect with people around
the world, and so a very important

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part for me is not to just
be in a hotel I will say just

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as a site. Note. One
thing I always need is WiFi. That

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is that's a non negotiable. I
will come stay in your mud hut or

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your bamboo hut, or your tent
or wherever I need to stay under a

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tree as long as I have WiFi. It's kind of sad, but that

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is my trump cart. That is
the thing that enables me to do all

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this stuff. I get that,
and I also appreciate the fact of just

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the mobility that comes with that,
I really and the freedom that comes with

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that. Okay, so the next
thing I want to talk about that.

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I want to call it for a
listener. So you and I met somewhere

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I think in early twenty eleven.
I remember Bridge distinctly because I was the

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president of the Lake with Service League. We were having a meeting at one

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of the members houses and you were
the speaker. That's kind of we hadn't

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met before. We've seen each other
before, but that's kind of where the

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connection really happened. But something happened
to you that would forever alter the course

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of your life. About a year
or so before that, maybe two years,

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I can't remember which, you were
diagnosed with breast cancer. Yeah,

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it's actually seventh of June at eight
twenty five am in the morning. To

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just be exact, some things you
also never forget. See if we fast

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forward to the beginning of zero nine, I was fat, I was unfit.

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I worked eighteen hours a day and
the only thing I've ever run was

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around my bed to make it to
the other side. And so I discovered

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it, or I realized I needed
to change my course, and so I

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decided to get fit, and over
about an eight week period, I lost

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twelve pounds and that's when I felt
this little lump and yeah, that was.

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If I looked back over the lo
fifty one years, that one single

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thing set in motion domino effect that
I could never have imagined. I had

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a four centimeter tumor. That was
when we'll get later to the ins and

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outs of that that was invisible on
a mammogram. I had two surgeries and

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radiation as well, which kind of
brought us to the second devastating event that

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happened fifty four days later against my
doctor's orders, and all of us will

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probably agree I was utterly stupid.
I decided to forge ahead to go with

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my family to Peru for our summer
vacation, and I still had a bandage

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right breast, So yeah, not
the brightest moment of my life. And

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on August first, two thousand and
nine, at eight o'clock in the morning,

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I had a heart attack and I
was in I'd to keep up Peru

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alone in a emergency room, and
they were telling me that half of my

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heart died and that I was probably
going to die. And I was lying

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in this tiny little metal cut without
my family because my cell phone happen of

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service, and they were at some
hotel, and it was the most terrifying

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thing that has ever happened to me. But also that set in motion really

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a liberation that I could never have
imagined. Well, you can't leave us

410
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:33.200
hang you without what liberation to no
longer be afraid of dying, to no

411
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:41.240
longer worry about, to just live
and make the most of here now because

412
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:48.519
that's all we have. And that
cliche became completely ingrained in every fiber of

413
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.839
my being. And if it wasn't
for those two events, I'm not sure

414
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:59.039
if it would ever have moved beyond
the cliche. And I have heard other

415
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:04.720
people who have vived cancer or other
major events like a heart attack, et

416
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.240
cetera, also say that it alters
the director of their lives permanently. They

417
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.519
can never be the same and some
of them, but I don't think quite

418
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.160
on your same level. Some of
them certainly say, you know, every

419
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.039
single day is precious and I'm gonna
live it to the fullest. You certainly

420
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:23.599
do that. It's not just each
day. Every breath is precious, And

421
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:31.759
with that becomes comes an intensity that
scares people. Because I understand. I

422
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:36.559
try and pack in as much as
I can in the twenty four hours.

423
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.440
I wish I could negotiate twenty nine, but sadly I have twenty four,

424
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:47.359
but I do try, and really
it's my life is from my inhale to

425
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.400
my exhale, and all we we
know it will end. We know we

426
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:58.799
will die, what we not what
we don't know is when. But I'm

427
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:05.279
no longer afraid. It's removing I
think that fear that brings real supreme liberation

428
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.559
to one's thoughts. One of the
things that you have jokingly said about yourself

429
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.920
or describe yourself as such, which
I completely agree, is you're a stiff

430
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:21.680
drink, very stiff one. Let's
case most people, mainly in particular.

431
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:28.400
You know I've been dumb to the
single reason frequently reason is I'm too much.

432
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.359
Yeah, well so sorry darling.
But yeah, I know, I

433
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.720
know next, next, and next. What. The reason I wanted to

434
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.960
bring that up is one any of
my listeners have been listening for a while

435
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:44.200
know that I really really love to
empower people across the world the planet,

436
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.000
and I enjoy and appreciate so much
my listeners who come in. Thank you,

437
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:51.839
China, Japan, India for joining
us. It's amazing to have your

438
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:55.000
company over the airwaves. And the
other thing that I also really care about

439
00:33:55.079 --> 00:34:00.960
is I really want to be a
stand for empowering women to really be fully

440
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.880
in their power. And I know
it's not necessarily popular, especially when you're

441
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.760
very, very very strong as you
are, and so I want to celebrate

442
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:13.559
your strength and the fact that you're
a stiff drink and so tiers, no

443
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:20.480
question, no apologies. So one
of the things too that I appreciate about

444
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.840
too is here you you go through
breast cancer, get treatment. Fifty four

445
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:28.239
days later, I have your heart
attack, and then not long after that,

446
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.400
you trot yourself down to Austin,
which is the capital city of Texas

447
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:37.679
for your listeners like maybe Hinda and
I who aren't very great with geography,

448
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.440
and you decided that you needed to
help other women who were battling with the

449
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:46.159
potential of breast cancer because they were
living under the false auspice of security with

450
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:51.320
a mammogram, so dense bread's tissue
was really what you were what you were

451
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.239
wanting to surface. And so you
went down to Austin and you got a

452
00:34:53.320 --> 00:35:00.320
bill passed talk to us about this. So here, I up with a

453
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.280
four centimeter tumor that's invisible on a
mammogram, and I had four like many

454
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.679
of us women, we believe mammograms
were full proof. And when I sat

455
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:15.079
there on June ninth, when I
was given a later stage diagnosis, and

456
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.719
I say to them, well,
sorry, I'm kind of stupid, but

457
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.000
help me out. How do you
miss a tumor of that size? And

458
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.719
I say to me, while you
have dense press tissue. Now all of

459
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.480
us can agree that none of us
would come up with those three words together

460
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.320
in one sentence. And when I
asked him, so, how didn't I

461
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.639
know about this dense press tissue I
have? I learned that it wasn't the

462
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:43.519
standard of care to tell us,
and that to me was unacceptable because at

463
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.280
the end of the day, any
of us know that cancer survival lies in

464
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:52.800
early detection, and I wasn't given
the chance of early detection. And so

465
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:58.039
we're also not a lot of many
other women. Because fifty percent of women

466
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.119
have dense breasts and forty percent of
tumors are missed on a mammogram, We're

467
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:07.320
talking massive numbers. And so on
June tenth, two thousand and nine,

468
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:13.199
I called my state representative and I
literally begged him to help me change the

469
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.400
standard of care. And two years
later, after learning how to be a

470
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:23.800
lobbyist and being down in Austin for
the six months of the twenty eleven legislative

471
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:29.960
year. On June seventeenth, at
four pm, Governor Perry signed Hender's Law,

472
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:37.239
exactly two years to the day of
my first surgery. And you know,

473
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:39.840
I look back on it, and
I think the main reason I was

474
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:46.599
able to succeed was first I was
underestimated, as often happens, and then

475
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:52.679
I also had a lot of help
from incredible people on this journey in Austin,

476
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.519
and then also just sheer luck.
And today I'm very proud to say

477
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.440
that there's less than ten states left
that do not have dense bressed legislation.

478
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:08.960
And back then we Texas was the
second state, and within about twelve months

479
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.440
we had New York, California,
and Virginia, Texas and Connecticut, and

480
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.559
we had more than thirty five percent. And the tipping point, ladies and

481
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.000
gentlemen, that's what you call impact
and takes us another to another break.

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00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.199
I'm Elice Cortez, your host.
We went on the air with Hennas Samron,

483
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.280
who was an award winning real estate
broker with Dave Perry Miller real Estate.

484
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:35.599
A brisk cancer survivor, extreme endurance
athlete and author of Grit Under My

485
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.239
Nails and memoir in Three Acts.
She joins it today from Dallas, Texas.

486
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:40.719
After the break, we'll talk more
about her journey staying with us,

487
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:52.199
We'll be right back. Friend us
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Then reach our program today. Please
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Cortez dot com. Now back to
Working on Purpose. Thanks for staying with

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us, and welcome back to working
on Purpose. If you're just tuning in,

512
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.239
My guest is Henda Samran, an
award winning real estate work with Dave

513
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.639
Perry Miller real estate, breast cancer
survivor, extreme endurance athlete, author of

514
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.000
Grit Under My Nails and memoir in
Three Acts. And I want to add

515
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.079
the mother of two amazing children,
Mateo and Dominique, both of whom I

516
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.239
love. I'm your host, Elise
Cortez. So let's talk a little bit

517
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.280
more about Henda's law, because what
I also want to share and presence for

518
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:54.159
the listeners is that talk about taking
something true adversity and turning it into something

519
00:40:54.320 --> 00:41:00.840
beautiful for so many people. Well, I think when we are given a

520
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:07.400
diagnosis of such magnitude, I personally
needed to know that they was purposed to

521
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:13.400
it. And that's what Hinda's lewis
given me. I know I've impacted thousands

522
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:19.880
and thousands of lives and the fact
that I could say one has given me

523
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.800
more purpose than I could ever have
imagined. So listeners, for you to

524
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.400
understand what a little bit more about
what she means by that, so at

525
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.760
least here in Texas and she can
come in on the other states. Is

526
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.119
women who have dense breast tissue and
I do too. By the way,

527
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:37.239
when they get their mammigrant there's something
on there that says you have dense breast

528
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.639
tissue, you might want to look
at other screening mechanisms per Hinda's Law.

529
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.199
So that's how women start to get
alerted to the fact that this isn't necessarily

530
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:51.840
all there is for screening. So
the impact is enormous. And then it's

531
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.159
probably if I look back, the
thing I'm one of the most proudest things

532
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:59.719
other than being my kids mom.
Now one thing that would be important also

533
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:04.559
to say about how what percentage of
the population has dense breast tissue. Fifty

534
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:09.239
percent of women have dense breast tissue, and it affects young women in particular

535
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:15.519
because as you goes through menopause,
your breast becomes automatically less dense. And

536
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.360
it's not how big they are or
how muscily you are, it's got nothing

537
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:25.199
to do with that. It's a
genetic combination of your fat to your tissue.

538
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.159
It's an amazing triumph. And I
remember when you called me when you

539
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.400
said you know it's past. It
was amazing. What a moment. And

540
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.960
now the fact that it's casketed at
all those other states, the ripple effect.

541
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.880
It really want to acknowledge you for
that amazing gift that you've given to

542
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.760
other women across at least the United
States. Well, and if I have

543
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:47.599
my way, we will make it
all over the world. Just give me

544
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.280
a few more years. So all
tho steners, if you want to help,

545
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:52.719
we'll tell you letter how to find
her. So hang with us.

546
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:58.599
But in this last segment to I
want to move on to this next chapter

547
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.159
of your life. And you're adding
author to the long list of things that

548
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:07.559
make you who you are. And
you're about to embark really on a new

549
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:12.280
journey where you want to go out
and start sharing your your message with more

550
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.880
people in addition to your real estate
career. And I know that there are

551
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:21.079
people listening who desperately want to transform
their lives into something else. In fact,

552
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.199
just today, when I was at
the airport leaving Milwaukee, Wisconsin,

553
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.000
I heard a gentleman say I want
to be in business for myself so badly

554
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.920
I can taste it. And the
guy he was talking to was just like,

555
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.119
okay, well whatever, Well for
him, this is really important.

556
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:39.199
So this new journey that you're going
on, you're it's it's big, it's

557
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.559
bold. Tell us about it.
What do you hope to do in it?

558
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:49.679
So it's utterly mind numbingly, terrifying. Can we add those adjectives please?

559
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.159
Yeah, So I hope I can
transform myself one more time. I

560
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.119
do want to use this book,
so to just let you in, how

561
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:02.440
does a non English speaker acts get
to write? Sixty eight thousand were two

562
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:08.119
hundred and fifty page book. Well
slowly number one and then over three years,

563
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:13.239
every night because by day I am
selling real estate and I also have

564
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.679
two kids. But slowly, over
the course of three years, I learned

565
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:21.360
fluency. And it started because I
was afraid I was going to die,

566
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.840
and I was terrified that my children
wouldn't know me, and having grown up

567
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:29.960
with really no family, I knew
that the only way I could share with

568
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:32.880
them my story was to tell it
to them, and that's where the journey

569
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:38.119
started. It was very rough the
first year. The second year I learned

570
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:44.440
similes and alliteration. Metaphors are still
a little out of my reach. Maybe

571
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:50.079
by my second book I mask to
that skill. And then a year ago

572
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:58.039
I embarked on a very transformational journey
because I decided to also record an audio

573
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:04.079
version of my book narrated by the
author me, and it was terrifying,

574
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.239
beyond belief standing in a recording booth
trying to learn how to be a voiceover

575
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:12.039
actor because you can't just read the
book. I mean, people will fall

576
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:16.679
asleep for human's sake. And by
standing in that booth for many, many

577
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:22.000
months, every week for an hour, I learned my voice, and I

578
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.800
learned how to tell my story,
and I learned how I wanted to tell

579
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:29.880
my story. And that's when I
turned to my editor and I said,

580
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.039
well, my book is not going
to have any chapters. She said,

581
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.400
well, you can't write a book
without chapters. I'm like, yeah,

582
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.519
well watch me, We're going to
have three acts and anyway, so my

583
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.039
proudest moment is going to be,
well, I'm so proud. In about

584
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:49.119
a month, we will be publishing
the audio audible. And that was really

585
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.360
giving birth to a third child.
I can well imagine. As you know,

586
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.840
I've been working on my book for
a couple of years now too,

587
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.519
so I hope it's on a similar
timeline as yours. You took three years,

588
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.039
and no mindate me longer. But
you've already been asked to speak to

589
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:06.679
audiences about the book. People are
already coming to you saying, come talk

590
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.599
to us about this. Tell us
the story. How do you plan to

591
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:13.800
take this new venture forth in your
life professionally? Well, I want to

592
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:16.400
use the book to launch a public
speaking career because I do want to tell

593
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:21.880
my story. I do feel so
many of us grew up with you know,

594
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:25.440
we all have stories. We all
have you know, bad childhoods,

595
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:31.679
or we've been hurt, We've been
felt unworthy, unloved and abandoned. And

596
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:37.119
I think in this last next phase, I really want to reach out to

597
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:42.239
people to where just knowing that you're
not alone, just knowing you connected.

598
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:47.840
It's really come down to meet to
connection. I'm a storyteller and our stories

599
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:53.760
tie us together and it's some very
powerful for me to stand in a room

600
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:59.639
looking out with people and connecting to
them through by being willing to be authentic

601
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:06.400
and ulnerable and sharing with them my
road to worthiness. It is a universal

602
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:13.199
condition, in my opinion, incredibly
beautiful and also something that I want to

603
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:15.880
presence for the listeners. Is something
I say often when I'm doing a program

604
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:20.440
or speaking to other groups, as
I talk about the fact that our life

605
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.480
stories really represent who we are,
our identities and because there are life stories

606
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:28.960
and we are the author's weak and
always rewrite our life story however we want.

607
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.239
And I truly think if you stop
being afraid of failure, you know

608
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:38.639
I have no embarrassment left. After
sharing my intimate thoughts and the story of

609
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.320
my life with strangers, I might
as well go sit at the moll but

610
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.800
naked because they just know secrets left. But you know what, that comes

611
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:52.000
liberation because I don't care anymore what
people think, and just within their lives

612
00:47:52.000 --> 00:48:00.960
a powerful transformation in itself. Along
those lines. One of the other things

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as I think about your new journey
going forward, in what you're planning to

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do, coming out as a speaker
and going to present, I know because

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of the research that I've been doing
that work can give us lots of different

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kinds of things beyond just a paycheck. It can give us our identities,

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It can give us connection, It
can give us a sense of purpose.

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I feel I live my purpose through
the work that I do in my various

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channels. So there's lots of things
that work can give us. What do

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you hope this new venture will bring
you for you? You know, I

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don't think there's just one thing.
Obviously, I will keep writing. I

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think what I want more than anything
is to be free from location. I'm

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a nomad. I'm happy when I
roam my beautiful world, and I want

624
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to see as many sunsets and sunrises
over as many mountaintops and oceans as I

625
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can. And for me to be
able to do that, I don't want

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to need WiFi anymore. And so
ultimately, as much as I love really

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state, I have eighteen months before
my daughter graduates from high school, and

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I'm an empty nesta and I will
give everything and work as many hours as

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it's necessary for the next eighteen months
to see if I can realize this dream,

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and I have no doubt that I
will. Why would I not do

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this one thing one more time,
so that that's my dream, to be

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free from from from just having to
live in one place. Because visual is

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00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.840
so important, Paint that picture for
our listeners. Tell us what it looks

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like when you've become free from time
and WiFi and place. What does your

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life look like? What are you
doing? I want to travel the world

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and talk to women about empowerment because
I do believe there is a lot of

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women not just in this country but
across the world that are emerging and discovering

638
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:05.840
the power of of just being a
woman. You know, it's it's a

639
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:10.159
great time in our lives. I'm
a hashtag me too also and from thanks

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to my stepfather. But I would
love to travel the Third World, particularly

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Africa and emerging cultures and go speak
to women. I'm African at the end

642
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of the day, and so I
would love to spend time in Africa,

643
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and you know, just I don't
know, go to Venice for three months

644
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and learn Italian and go to Bangkok, which I love, and just gorge

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myself on street food, or you
know, ride on horseback with the great

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Migration from the Massamara to Serengetti,
or just sit in a little house in

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Cape Town overlooking the ocean. I
don't know. I the world is my

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oyster. How beautiful is that?
And I wanted you to share that because

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it's so important to dream. It's
so so important. I know so many

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people, not I only just know
people. I know of so many people,

651
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and it's very sad that literally are
walking through life really dead. They're

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waiting for the end of the day, they're waiting for the end of the

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week so they can really start their
life. And I really want for part

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of the reason I wanted to have
you on the showhand is, I think

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that you represent such possibility for people
when they can access and hear your story,

656
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.840
there's hope for them that there's there
really is possibility out there. We

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can't wait to start living our life. You know. I have sweet pebbles

658
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next to my bait, and they
represent each of them. Are the ten

659
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:43.960
summers I have left in a fortunate
man's life, and I see them every

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00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:49.519
morning. I have twenty eight summers
left if I'm lucky. Yeah, we

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00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:53.360
need to take it serious. It's
here and now and burn the boats.

662
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:58.960
You know, it worked for the
Vikings. I've burnt my boats. They

663
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:05.199
have flamed. There's no escape.
I hete we go. And I think

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there's something about commitment that you're talking
about right when you talk about committing something

665
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:12.360
and then just going for it.
Put your head down and go for it

666
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.639
and don't give yourself an out.
Yeah, just don't give yourself any excuse

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not to do it. There's a
lot more that you could probably say,

668
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:23.880
but we're already just a couple of
minutes away from closing the show, and

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I like to give my guest the
last word. If you will, what

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would you like to leave or listeners
with today and say maybe about a minute

671
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or so. So it took me
the best part of fifty years to be

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free of the weight and shame of
my childhood. And in my book there

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are many poems that matter really a
lot in my life. However, there's

674
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:51.159
one that matters the most, and
it's by Raymond Carver late Fragment. This

675
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.840
was the last poem he ever wrote. He died when he was fifty years

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old. He wrote this the week
before his death. He died of breast

677
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:02.400
cans. I'm sorry cancer on cancer, and it really sums up for me

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00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.840
everything. And did you get what
you wanted from this life? Even so

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I did? And what did you
want? To call myself beloved? To

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feel myself beloved on the earth?
Oh? That is an incredibly beautiful Hinda,

681
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.440
just like this conversation. I really
have enjoyed every moment of this.

682
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.599
You and I have talked about many
of these things over and over again through

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00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:32.199
the years we've known each other,
and getting to share you and your message

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00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.760
with my listeners has really been a
precious treasure. Thank you. I'm so

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00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.199
on it to be here, listeners. I would really want like to encourage

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00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:45.440
you to consider this an introduction,
so please, this is we're opening the

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00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:49.880
dialogue here and we always like to
hear from you as to what you got

688
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.679
out of these conversations, so drop
you can drop me a line at at

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00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:57.480
least Cortez on Twitter if you want
to learn more about Hinda and interact with

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00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.679
her, and I hope you absolutely
will. Probably the best way to find

691
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:05.039
her is one of her websites,
which is grit underm nails dot com.

692
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.960
So that's the name of her book, Grit underm nails dot com. And

693
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.719
it would be great if you could
just let her know what did did,

694
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.159
what resonated about her message with you, Let let her know that, let

695
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.159
me know that, and we have
booked. The book is on Amazon.

696
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The book is on Amazon. Please, yes it's already out. Oh yes,

697
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:24.800
yes, we've published it this last
month. Okay, great. Next

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00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:29.000
week we will be on the air
with Andrew'sins and we'll be talking about leadership,

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00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.440
emotional and relational intelligence for women and
her new book. She has one

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out as well. So you then
remember that work is at least one third

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of our life, so let's work
on purpose. We hope you've enjoyed this

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week's program. Be sure to tune
into Working on Purpose featuring your host Alice

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00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:54.000
Cortez, every Wednesday at six pm
Eastern time freepm Pacific time on the Voice

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America Empowerment Channel. This week,
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