Lead Brighter by Navigating Through the Unfolding Path

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

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People ache for meaning and purpose at
work, to contribute their talents passionately

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and know their lives really matter.
They crave being part of an organization that

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inspires them and helps them grow into
realizing their highest potential business can be such

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a force for good in the world, elevating humanity. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want Working

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on purpose now. Here is your
host, doctor Elise Cortes. Welcome back

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to the Working on Purpose Program.
Thanks for tuning in again this week.

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I'm your host, Doctor Olga's Cortez. Join you live from Dallas, which

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is home base for me. If
you don't know me yet, I'm a

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management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose, organizational local therapist, inspirational speaker,

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social scientist, and author. My
team that I help companies discover and articulate

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their purpose to throw it through their
culture and operations. We work with forward

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thinking. We're forward reaching organizations to
develop inspirational leaders who create cultures where people

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actually want to come to work and
do their best. And we provide programs

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like the Grab Your gustter that enable
the individual team members to discover and at

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lease their passionate and purpose at work
to catalyze fulfillment, engagement, and productivity.

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You can learn more about us and
how we can work together at eliscortes

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dot com. With us today's doctor
Alisha Hare. She's the founder and CEO

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of Turnasaul, a leadership consulting firm
that partners with CEOs, their teams and

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organizations in times of significant change.
She's the author of The Unfolding Path,

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a Way to Live and Lead in
Our Times, which inspires and guys leaders

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to do the deep inner work required
to step up and lead others to a

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brighter future. We're talking about the
tenets of her gorgeous book, The Unfolding

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Path, and how she outlines it
in her book as well as in the

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work she Doesn't Turn Us. All
She's do today from San Francisco, California,

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Doctor Alisha, Welcome to Working on
Purpose. Thank you so much for

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having me at least I'm thrilled to
be here. I am too, As

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we were saying before we got on
air, you are my literally my exact

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seven year she guessed seven years ago
in twenty fifteen. I came on here

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and I was just shaking, and
what do I do? How do I

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do this? And you are seven
years so I should sure for you to

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say, let's talk seven years and
what if you learned and your listens and

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all those things, we would be
on four days whatever. Let me do

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that another time at least. Yeah, you know what, I have had

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guests say that to me, doctor
Danny gutenk or actually Danny guten Neck I

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did that. He said, at
least I'm gonna interview you on your show.

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So he's done that, so this
could happen. Okay, yeah,

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I'll do it. I'll do definitely
reverse interview. It becomes like so much

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to share. It'd be so fun. I think it would be great.

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Well, you know what you may
not know, doctor Alisha, but listeners

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and viewers you may know, is
that this is really curated content. So

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seven years. What I try to
do is when I prepare for the conversation

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and I read your gorgeous book.
It was gorgeous and written words as well

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as its images. I'm really what
I'm doing is now I'm curating and adding

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ideas and we haven't yet covered on
the show. So there's so much we

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could talk about. But before we
get into that, I think you've got

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to start a lesha with your beautiful
journey story that you share in the very

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beginning of your book, which I
could so relate to, by the way,

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where you realize that you can move
from fear and reliance on achievement to

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self love. So let's start with
that, William. But before I start

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there, I'm going to tell you
you're my first conversation about this book.

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I real do hear that. And
here's the reason why is because the book

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is actually not a book that people
can buy. It's not on Amazon or

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Burnes and Noble. I didn't write
it for mass distribution. I wrote it

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for myself initially, to be honest, because I had the bug of writing.

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I'd never been to write, or
never wanted to write. Thought I

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was just going to write a quick
article. Turned out to be what we're

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about to talk about. And you
know, I ultimately shared it with my

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daughter because that was my next purpose. And then the people who had been

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helping me with it said we'll share
it with some people and see what they

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think. And then I ended up
only sharing it with some people who had

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really made a different in my life
and now my clients. So I've never

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talked about this before, so I'm
very excited to have the opportunity. So

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thank you. This is just perfect, right, it's a seven year timing,

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NASTI I'm talking about it perfect.
Yeah, that's what I wanted to

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see, all of it. Yeah. So to your question, yeah,

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no, what a crazy We all
have our stories, right, so mine.

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I think it really anchors in this
idea to leverage the word that is

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in the show, right purpose that
since I was really really little, I

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had this sense that the reason I
was here was to shine and that word

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has always been in me for some
reason, which I don't know why,

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to be honest, but it's always
been a word and it's evolved over time,

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you know. I think this is
the sort of the story you were

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referring to that when I was really
little, I grew up in the South

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here in the United States. I
was in a Catholic home. My living

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situation was somewhat unpredictable, and kind
of my answer to that initially was how

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could I be a good girl?
That was, you know, shining to

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me had to do with being a
good girl. Which I know a lot

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of women can appreciate, you know, how do I show up as you

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know, the best, you know, polite and obedient and taking responsibility and

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caring for others and uh And it
was really that for quite a while until

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I hit sort of middle school and
high school. When I hit middle school

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in high school, you know,
like so many teenagers, I began to

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suffer the things that we all suffer
as teenagers, things about my identity and

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you know what was happening with my
family and all these expectations I was feeling

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and limitations that I was feeling about
what I could become. And yet I

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knew that I had a lot of
gifts and talents that I had been given.

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And I decided that that if I
could achieve, if I could really

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leverage those things, that that would
be my ticket out of all this struggle

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that i've if I could just achieve, if I could, if I could

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really you know, in everything I
did, whether it was at the time

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academics or sports or what have you, that that would be my way out.

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And to be frank, it was, you know, because it really

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powered you know, college degree to
Masters of PhD. Living in ten cities,

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tons of really great jobs and promotions
and making a lot of money early

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on in my career. But what
ended up happening was, you know,

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as I talk about in the book, there was a night shortly after my

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daughter was born where I was sitting
in the dark and it was still,

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and I had this epiphany which occurs, you know, only a few times

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in your life. Really in the
way I'm just that certainly happened to me

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in that moment where I kind of, for whatever reason that night, reflected

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on where I was and realized I
had everything I'd ever imagined. But yet

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in the dark, I felt dark. I felt empty. I felt like

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there was just something fundamentally missing for
me as a human. And in that

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moment, I realized shining wasn't responsibility, it wasn't achievement. It actually was

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about becoming the fullness of myself,
and the ways I had been living life

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were not allowing going to allow me
to become that, and I had to

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go off and find a new way. And that's really what this book is

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about. I can really appreciate that
that emptiness, that hollowness you're talking about,

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And of course, as a local
therapist, we call that the existential

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vacuum of course, right, Really, I was like, I know that

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story. I know that story,
So it basically feel better because you know,

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when you're in it, you feel
alone, Yeah, the person that's

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ever happened to you, and you're
just totally terrified. But then you get

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into it and you're like, oh, wait, hold on, this is

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a human thing, m and in
some ways it's extremely predictable. So what's

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also really great though about your work? I just I think that you're writing

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is really compelling, really or beautiful
writer, Alicia, and just really convey

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concepts really, you know, in
a beautiful, very accessible way, and

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right out of the gate. One
of the things that you talk about is,

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you know, you say, we
resist this journey of unfolding and specifically

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living our purpose, and you talk
about a few reasons why that's so,

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which I think will be useful for
our listeners and viewers are going, yeah,

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because you know a lot of people
are like, I do want to

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find my purpose. But right,
so could you talk to a few of

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these things why do we resist?
Yeah? Well, I do talk to

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a few, but I think before
I get there, I would say that

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under I mean, because the few
maybe I'll start there, you know,

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the fewer things like it's there,
but we don't want to hear it.

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It's there, but we don't want
to act on it. It's there,

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but it feels hard to do.
You know. There's just different reasons.

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But I think the root cause of
all of that really is we live,

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all of us live in a world
where people have expectations on us. Whether

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it's the family we were raised in, whether it's the culture that we were

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part of, whether it's the business. You know, there's there's a story

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that we grew up believing out how
you live life, how you're successful in

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life, how you live a good
life. And I think it's powerful,

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and it's powerful because as humans,
we want to belong and we want to

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be part of a tribe, and
it's scary to go outside of that.

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And the deal with purpose and the
deal with this idea of wanting to fully

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shine, to use the language my
language, and wanting to really be the

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fullness of who you are is you
have to let that go. You have

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to say, you know what,
that may be the story, but that's

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not right for me. My life
and my journey and my path requires me

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to bushwhack. It requires me to
leave all of that and to really have

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the faith and confidence in myself that
I can navigate to become the fullness of

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who I am. And I think
that's really the underlying root cause of all

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of it. I think that's I
completely align with that, And that was

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a beautifully rendered I mean, I
know for me, when I really really

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really understood what was I literally I
left a perfectly good job. I jumped

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off the cliff. I didn't have
a single client who was going to look

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and pay for my services and said, okay, I'll go. I'll start

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my own you know, leadership program, create my own books, run a

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nonprofit. I did all that with
nothing. I didn't. There was nothing

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underneath there for me except you had
the fire exactly. I had the fire

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and the conviction that this is the
right path for me, And yes it

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was, so I talked about being
obedient to it, you know, and

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then it wasn't necessarily convenient, but
I couldn't resist it. So I think

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what you just said is gorgeous.
And then if we also take it another

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step further, only show what's really
fascinating that I also terribly aligned with what

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you said as you say, at
its core, struggle is simply a personalized

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invitation to wake up, grow and
expand. Yes, well, it's funny

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because in preparing for this, I
had to reread all the books and I'm

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sorry, no, I was actually
a gift because there were so many places

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because I wrote it for me,
there are so many places of it that

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I was like, oh man,
I need to hear that right now.

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And this was one of them that
I read it and I was like,

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oh, yes, yeah, I
wrote that. Dang it, you know,

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because it's so true. And here's
here's why I think it's so true.

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I think that struggle is actually the
thing that allows us to become who

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we really are. My daughter and
I for a while loved a rock tumbler.

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We used to have a rock tumbler, and you know, you put

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the unpolished rock in the tumblr,
you put the grit in, like all

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the stuff, that nasty stuff,
and you let it tumble around for a

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while and then it comes out shining
that struggle. Struggle is the grit.

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And when you kind of say to
yourself, I'm going to turn towards it,

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I'm going to lean into it.
I'm gonna face it, confront it,

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versus being afraid of it and ignoring
it, denying it, numbing from

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it, dedicating whatever the other choices
that we can make. When you really

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lean into it, I think what
you find is that is the thing that

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helps you, you know, develop
confidence to know you can do it.

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I think about my divorce, you
know, as an example of my own

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personal life. You know, my
parents were married for sixty years. You

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know, my grandparents before them.
My brothers are all married. The idea

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that I was going to divorce was
just like out of the ordinary, but

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it was real. I had to
do it for me, and you know,

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it was an inferno. Everything I
knew burned down. But I look

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back at that experience and I say, holy cow, I am more me

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because I went through it. I
went through all the steps. I had

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to learn how to do it,
I had to do it differently, I

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had to have faith in myself.
I'm more me than I ever would have

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been without that. And I think
that's the power of struggle. We are

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given the personalized opportunities that are unique
to us for us to be all of

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us. I completely agree with that. In fact, for the longest time,

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Alicia, I used to say,
you know, I'm probably not going

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to amount to too terribly much in
life because I haven't had to struggle.

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And it's true, I really haven't, you know. And but like you,

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I did get this nice little thing
on a silver platter called a divorce

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that helped me as well read right, thank you, And I wouldn't be

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living my purpose today if I probably
if I were still married. And that's

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just part of it, right,
It's just and so I completely believe.

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So the opportunity listeners and viewers is
to embrace the struggle, right and recognize

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it for the gift that it really
is, and not run from it and

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not known from it. As she's
saying, it's just so so powerful.

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It is the fuel. It is
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is the gift. It is the
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It is so is And I really
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books that then address specifically the building
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which we're going to talk about.
We're going to sample from each one

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of those because they're so so beautiful. So let's talk about the first one

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here, So that what those building
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brighter futures, and the path.
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way that you've written this and set
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these building blocks revealed to you a
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and lead, which is gorgeous.
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up, So let's do this.
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grab our first bike. So let
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comment, because I want to be
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It's so beautiful. So I've never
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have, which is great. So
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emotions faster than viruses. Fear,
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is the most contagious of all.
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to issues affecting our safety, security, and survival. If we aren't aware,

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we can catch fear and equally give
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powerful, Alicia, very powerful.
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think about it in your own personal
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week. I went to go pick
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school, and she was really,
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about some things that had happened that
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you know, and what was going
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that conversation completely calm, and I
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stirred up. And the only thing
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have mirror neurons, and the mirror
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sort of survival system to pick up
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what the role that fear plays,
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highest arousal capacity in our in our
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what ends up happening is, you
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if I'm not aware that I have
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someone else. I could have then
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then you, if you're unaware,
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see it in organizations as well.
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my personally my biggest AHAs was being
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that all got disrupted by an existential
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company were afraid for themselves. You
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failure, not not in a bad
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know that they're leading this company and
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I don't want to fail, And
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teams, and their teams then translated
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first break. We'll pick up for
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come back. I'm your host,
doctor Leafs Cortes. We've been in a

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book, first one being fear.
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into choice. Stay with us.
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meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment,
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Now back to working on Purpose. Thanksteresting

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with us, and welcome back to
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organizations in times of significant change.
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A Way to Live and Lead in
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doctor Leaks Cortes. So we were
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you talk about in in your your
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is just so important. And we
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is so palpable inside organizations, people
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wildfire. And what's interesting about what
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is really interesting, is you say
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with our changing world. We must
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ourselves. To develop this inner stability, we can reframe our fear from something

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that we deny or diminish by to
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facilitate our learning and growth. And
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step. We must wake up true. It's the birthplace of us taking our

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power back. That is the birthplace, you know. And I think what

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the book fear and Choice, when
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was for me the first thing.
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world. It's so easy to be
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you know, and sort of be
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you master your fear? And the
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be aware that you're afraid. And
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you can start doing something about being
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even know you're afraid, then you
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to something we'll talk a little bit
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we have in today's times is becoming
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of them, not just fear,
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let's move into choice next. There's
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are really critical that you talk about
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read from your book. You say, each and every choice we may consists

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of the same three parts. A
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our choice, a response. When
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response is infinite and contains limitless alternatives, possibilities, and opportunities aim in it

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provides us the chance to slow down
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also a place where we can learn, grow and change. I would venture

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to say that most people do not
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practice right and again, I think
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do you live in the times that
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of we have to take a power
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bridge with fear because what happens is
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stimulus, and it could be a
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in between. But before we respond, there's actually a place where we can

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decide how we're going to respond.
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certainly a practice I'm still working on
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long enough to know that we have
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for me, being somebody who has
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a world that is so uncertain,
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something happens is to give myself that
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I feel fear. I don't actually
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actually have other choices that I can
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and think about what I actually want
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give yourself that space to choose and
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one of the most essential things to
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Beautifully render beautifully said. And then
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concept that we have to talk about
that you also really just zing in your

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book. Is you say that you
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of personal responsibility that is at the
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and I do agree with that,
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empowerment as well? You say too
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believing the world is all about serving
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against us, so we shouldn't even
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much of the time wait for others
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solve our problems, and give our
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what is actually ours to do,
relying on a false hope that someone else

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there's no choice if you don't take
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you believe that your choices are not
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someone else, and you allow other
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headed. And so again, given
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my journey, it was I got
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other people dictate my life. I'm
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I'm letting other people dictate what I
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fully shine? How am I going
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the fullness of me? If that's
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responsible for my choices, which which
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else make them for me. Whatever
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the result of that is my accountability. That's what creates power to right nor

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responsibility. You realize you have choice
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you have a choice you can make. That's where the power comes from.

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decide what you what you want to
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can now start to talk about purpose
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the impact you want to have is
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Because you have you, you can
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Mm. I can't resist putting this
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doctor Vitor Frankle talks a lot about
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right right, we have to because
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So he talks about how the Statue
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all about freedom. But there's another
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that is responsibility or response ability.
So you used to always say that we

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need another statue, but this one
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let's put it in San Francisco.
Put it on the other side, since

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you're in San Francisco. This is
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he's he's for sure. He's been
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things. I had a suspicion there's
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between how you talk and write and
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the more reason why you know,
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let's get her on here. Okay, well, let's move on to purpose.

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There were so many things in your
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just jamming on and we got to
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Alicia, there were so many things
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have your own beautiful, shining perspective
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to open it with the way that
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of Purpose. This is a clip
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and we have to read the whole
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this is his writing, his words. Over the course of my thirty

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years as a congressional rabbi, I
have seen many people come to the end

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of their lives. I've held their
hands and prayed with them on the eve

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of his desperate life chance operation.
I have seen them deteriorate from week to

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week of abilitating illness. I have
seen courage, love, and humor in

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the face of death. The dying
have taught me one great lesson that I

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would never have learned without their help. Most people are not afraid of dying.

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They are afraid of not having lived. It is not the prospect of

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death that frightens most people. People
can accept the inescapable fact of mortality.

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What frightens them more is the dread
of insignificance, the notion that we will

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be born and live and one day
die and none of it will matter.

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That is so profound and perfect,
waited to open on purpose, You know

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it was again. I wrote it
for me, and I found myself in

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every book saying, I can't believe
I'm about to write this. I can't

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believe I'm about to talk about this, And this example of that that the

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quote for me was, as I
mentioned in the book, also very profound

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for me. And it was because
at the time, I was an executive.

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I was working at a huge job, and I was doing what executive

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do. I was actually living in
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who had been incredibly influential to me, was living on the complete ob

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the other side of the world,
in the south in Georgia, and he

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was dying of cancer. And I
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you know, very important with you
know, PowerPoint decks and lots of

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meetings, and he and his house
about fifteen thousand miles away, was dying

411
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and I would go visit him.
And one of the things that really struck

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me about him was he was at
peace with dying. And I, you

413
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know, he was a he was
a man of faith, and so I

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knew that that was part of it. But when I read the quote,

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what I really came to understand is
that he also was at peace because he

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knew his life mattered. So what
it did for me was it made me

417
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ask the question of myself, how
will I know that my life mattered?

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And I now come to at least
for me sort of see it along two

419
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dimensions. It's there's a dimension about
what I contribute, you know, and

420
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that's different than six contributions about impact
and the impact I had. And the

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other dimension is have I loved?
And have I been loved? And for

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me at least those two axes,
if you will kind of frame what it

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means to live a life that truly
matters. I think that's stellar. And

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I thought that was so powerful.
And you do a beautiful job talking about

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your grandfather in the book too,
and his piece that comes from knowing that

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he actually mattered. So I want
to make sure in situations for our listeners

427
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and viewers because it's beautiful. Your
two axes are contribution, and then the

428
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other one is loved and being loved. And I think that's really profound.

429
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And I will tell you this,
Alicia, that when I'm outspeaking to audiences

430
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and I talk about the importance of
awakening to passionate purpose, first, people

431
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don't know what they're passionate about.
And then when we get to the purpose

432
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part, they say things like,
well, you know, my life is

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okay the way it is, It's
okay, it's okay. And so I

434
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see what that's you know, it's
resignation, right, See, I know

435
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:57.759
what that is, right, because
they're afraid of it, afraid of the

436
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matter, afraid of how shine,
how big there shine might be? Right,

437
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:04.279
and it's so interesting, Alicia's such
important work to be doing the world

438
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and precious work to be doing in
the world. Yeah, well, and

439
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:12.079
it's I think for a lot of
people. It's what you're doing. And

440
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what I think I'm trying to do
is to help people make it more accessible

441
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for people, you know, And
I think that's particular. The word purpose,

442
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.799
I think now can scare people,
but it's actually it's actually something that

443
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exists in all of us. And
the question is not it doesn't have to

444
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be a big p purpose. It
can be a little P purpose that's a

445
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theme over your life. Like for
me, shining is a purpose, but

446
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.839
it's changed over my life and it
applies differently, but it's a theme.

447
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:47.119
How do you help people make that
accessible for people? And then give them

448
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.200
kind of the tools and the kind
of the steps, the small steps that

449
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they can take that allow them to
actually do it mm hmm. And which

450
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.359
I'll say something too or a little
bit later. One of the other things

451
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that you say that I've never got
anybody else say before, which is brilliant.

452
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.400
You say all such compliments, thank
you. Oh it's well, it's

453
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great work, Alicia, It's just
great work. You're so welcome, so

454
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well deserved. And I love to
celebrate, you know, when I see

455
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a beautiful mind in hardcome on air
and we're celebrating, and it's seven years

456
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.799
in my dear, let's do it. So one of the things that you

457
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say is so great, as you
say, living your purpose is the ultimate

458
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act of showing up. Oh,
amen, sister, That's exactly right.

459
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.119
And nobody else that I've heard ever
say that. Oh, but if you've

460
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.200
tried it, it's like gosh,
I don't know how else to describe the

461
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:36.279
experience. Now, to live your
purpose means you are willing to go against

462
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what everyone else is saying is the
right thing to do. So you have

463
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:44.240
bought into the story of society,
like we were saying a minute ago.

464
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You know society and your family and
culture, and you are willing to love

465
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yourself more than all of that,
and you're willing to say, I will

466
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live the life that is mine to
live, and I will not die without

467
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:04.799
doing what is my unique, you
know, fulfilling my unique potential like it

468
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.720
is. And to do that means
you have to be yourself. Like I

469
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.240
have a sticky note literally in front
of me right now that says, this

470
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.640
is me. You have to be
yourself. You have to be yourself.

471
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You have to be brave enough to
be yourself. You have to be brave

472
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:21.319
enough to do things that are unconventional, unconventional and be okay with that.

473
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It's definitely not for the fan of
heart, but yet it is the most

474
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rewarding you know, path I've certainly
ever tried to take me too. In

475
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.160
fact, that's one of the things
that you talk about that in the importance

476
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of self love as a very as
a distinguishing access point to purpose. I

477
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:44.160
think that's also really brilliant and unusual
Alicia, in terms of you know what

478
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I want to say, showcasing the
importance of self love in order to be

479
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able to access your purpose. That's
the only reason that you actually do it

480
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is because you love yourself enough to
say, you know what, what I

481
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have to offer matters, and I
need to do it for me. I

482
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.799
agreed, and that's what happened to
me too. So let's grab our last

483
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.720
break already, this goes by so
fast. I'm your host, doctor Elise

484
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:07.640
Cortes. We're going on near with
doctor Alisha Hare. She's the founder and

485
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.839
CEO of Turnersoul and the author of
The Unfolding Path and we Live and Lead

486
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.839
in our times. We've been talking
about some of the tenants from her collection

487
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.839
of books. We've been just talking
about purpose and also choice after the record

488
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to get into brighter futures and the
path. Stay with us, We'll be

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right back. Doctor Elise Cortes is
a management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose

490
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:34.759
and inspirational speaker and author. She
helps companies visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders

491
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and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning
infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance,

492
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.799
and commitment within the workforce. To
learn more or to invite Elise to speak

493
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:51.720
to your organization, please visit her
at elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about

494
00:32:51.759 --> 00:33:01.920
how to get your employees working on
purpose. This is working on purpose with

495
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:07.920
doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our
program today or open a conversation with Alise,

496
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:15.599
send an email to Elise Alise at
elisecortes dot com. Now back to

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working on purpose. Thanks for stating
with us, and welcome back to working

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on Purpose, Alicia. Since you
mentioned the idea of access, I do

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want to share with you and all
the listeners and viewers a little bit of

500
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news, and that is that August
of twenty twenty one, I released an

501
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anthology of twenty five stories from women
that I found around the world, from

502
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all over the place, from Australia
to Zambia. And they share their really

503
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.039
intimate stories of how they discover their
purpose and how they're serving from it.

504
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And the reason I arranged them the
way that they did by Path was to

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do just what you said, to
give people some access to being able to

506
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discover their own purpose. And if
we look at path, that's a way

507
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to see it. So I want
to share that with you. It's out

508
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.200
on Amazon now. It's called Passion. Look to it for sure. Yeah,

509
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:59.319
I'm so proud of it. I
could buych It must have been so

510
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fun to do. It was amazing. So it's called Passionately Striving and Why,

511
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:06.319
and that's out now. I'm on
the hunt across the globe to find

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men to be able to share their
stories. So Stair's a viewer. If

513
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:09.880
you know, any men who want
to be able to share their story of

514
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.519
purpose, please send them my way. I'm going to think about some and

515
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.679
see if I can send me your
way. Please do. I've been having

516
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.480
some of the most amazing conversations,
so if you're just joining me guests,

517
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:23.199
and who are guests and viewers.
My guest today is doctor Lesha Hare.

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00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.400
She's the founder and CEO of Turnasaul, a leadership consultancy firm that partners with

519
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.559
CEOs their teams and organizations and times
significant change. We've been talking about her

520
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.719
beautiful book. So the next piece
that we want to cover. The next

521
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.039
book we want to cover is called
Brighter Futures. And what's interesting again for

522
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:44.039
me and our parallel work, Lesia, is some of the things that you

523
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.920
write about for Brighter Futures I kind
of talk about from an inspirational lens.

524
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:52.000
It's very similar. It's just so
beautiful and so here again, let's quote

525
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.199
what you say. You say Over
time, I discovered that the leaders I

526
00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:00.000
admired reached both the head and the
heart. They made people bold and hopeful,

527
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.440
connected to something greater than themselves,
confident and empowered to make an impact.

528
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.400
They brought out the best and others
by helping them believe they could do

529
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more, be more, and make
more good things happen. Completely aligned with

530
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.079
that, and that so is such
a beautiful way to speak to brighter futures.

531
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:21.000
Yeah, and I think this book
was a sort of a pivotal point

532
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for me writing it because it really
made me have to think about what makes

533
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.480
those people able to do it,
you know, which if I think about

534
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.400
the people that I was kind of
inspired by when I wrote that, they'd

535
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.079
done the work that we just talked
about, you know, they were people

536
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who were you know, were awake
to their fear, They were courageous,

537
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:44.440
they took responsibility for their choices.
They knew what they were doing and why

538
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:47.840
they were doing it with their purpose, and they knew that they could use

539
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.719
those things in a way to make
people's lives better, and they were inspired

540
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to do so. And I think
what was powerful about thinking about that was

541
00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.400
then contrasting it to a different kind
of leadership that you see out in the

542
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:05.880
world, which I would argue sort
of to the dominant paradigm about be the

543
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:07.440
biggest, to be the best,
take the share, win the war.

544
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:13.760
And I was trying to figure out
how more leaders could actually lead in that

545
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.599
way, And this was a little
bit of my exploration of that. M

546
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:21.400
h. It's gorgeous and I think
it's such a great way to showcase,

547
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.480
you know, the possibility of a
whole new frontier that you that you put

548
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:29.079
forward for us and to then and
you take it another step further with this

549
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.360
next passage, you say, the
ultimate job of leader is to bring brighter

550
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futures, futures that bring out the
best of humanity, create greater human value,

551
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not just economic, political, or
personal value. Bring about new possibilities,

552
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.719
opportunities, equality and freedom for more
people, burst with hope and feel

553
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:49.920
better than we ever imagined possible.
That's your definition of leading brighter, which

554
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.360
I think is a beautiful invitation and
a great summons. How could you say

555
00:36:53.400 --> 00:37:00.000
no to that? Well, I
just I think it's time to have a

556
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.840
conversation about what is the job of
a leader. I mean, you look

557
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.559
at a lot of the leadership literature
and it's about competencies, and it's about

558
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:13.440
attributes, and it's about you know, tactics and disciplines. But what you

559
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:15.400
don't see is actually what's the job
of a leader? You know, you

560
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don't actually see anybody define that.
And I feel like, you know,

561
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we could create a whole new paradigm
of leadership, a whole new generation of

562
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leaders, just based on the fundamental
premise the job, the job you're signing

563
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up for is to create a brighter
future that makes people's lives better, that

564
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:37.719
creates more joy and connection and discovery
and equality and shared prosperity. Like we

565
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.360
as leaders should do that, and
in doing that we can actually elevate people's

566
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.159
performance as well. Yeah, and
on that note, I have to insure

567
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.719
something really quick here, so listeners
and viewers, those of you who are

568
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.639
leaders are going and heck, this
is a really hard job. Yes,

569
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.199
it really is a hard job.
And you probably can't do it as well

570
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.800
by yourself. You probably need some
help. And that's the work that both

571
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.159
Elisha and are doing. I know
today, Alicia, I'm working with leaders

572
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.440
who are terrified. I mean,
this is a huge job. You know.

573
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The Great Resignation is a real deal, and it's creating all kinds of

574
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.719
havoc for organizations and the leaders who
run them. And you know, now

575
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.159
is a really good time to be
able to get a little help with the

576
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.880
with the with with the unfolding path, if you will, and I really

577
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:21.559
want to make sure that listeners and
views you hear us. You know,

578
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.760
say to you, we hear you. This is hard work, and you

579
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:29.679
know there's beauty in the journey,
and you know love to help you along

580
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.280
that journey. It's so beautiful,
it's so intimate, and when filled with

581
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:37.719
possibility, you it starts with you. I think the part about it,

582
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.800
you know, to your point at
least that that I've certainly been experiencing,

583
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:46.800
is helping individual leaders reconnect to what
drives them kind of take their own power

584
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.599
back. They've been dealing with so
many things happening at them and crises and

585
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.320
responses, and and you know,
the application of what we've been talking about

586
00:38:54.400 --> 00:39:00.800
up to now is helping leaders as
humans reconnect to what matters to them,

587
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.159
their own sense of personal power,
their own purpose, the contribution they uniquely

588
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.760
can make, and then helping them
make that contribution in the face of all

589
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:14.119
of this because it's possible. Agreed, completely agreed. And so then the

590
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.840
last tenant or the last book that
I want to talk about to touch upon

591
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:21.719
here is the Path, and this
is again gorgeous. I want to read

592
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.159
just a little bit and have you
serve back up from it? So you

593
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:27.559
say, the danger as we stumble
to find what we know used to be

594
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.119
true and being lost, is that
ultimately we can lose heart and divorce ourselves

595
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:35.480
from our feelings. I've experienced this
in my own life, which is a

596
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.599
big reason why today I'm out to
awaken passionate purpose in those I serve.

597
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.960
So I really understood when you said
divorce from feelings. I really understand that

598
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.719
I have been lost. I know
what that feels like. So would you

599
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.280
generate for us more what this path
looks like. You do it beautifully in

600
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.880
your book. Yeah. And what
I would say is that to build on

601
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.400
what you said just a second ago, I mean, I think when all

602
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.880
of us have been in this time
of struggle for vile now you know,

603
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.800
and dealing with the crisis and the
responses, it is so easy to lose

604
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.719
heart. It is so easy to
give in and give up, and it's

605
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.199
human and there's no judgment there.
It's just easy to do it, right.

606
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.239
I think, I think what this
is what I'm sort of my offering

607
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:21.800
through this book is. But there's
a different way, And I think,

608
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.079
you know, again, if you
are able to look at your fear and

609
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:28.760
realize you have choice, and you
can connect your purpose and you can imagine

610
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:32.679
a brighter future that you can create. The path is all about the future

611
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.440
doesn't exist yet, nobody has ever
actually walked the path that's uniquely yours,

612
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:43.519
and so how do you set off
on the journey to do that? And

613
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it's it's very much about learning that, reminding ourselves that we actually as humans

614
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are explorers. We're navigators. You
know, we live in this world I

615
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think where somehow again through society we've
we we value the known and the certain.

616
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You know, we love our eyes
phones, We love you know,

617
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being able to find the weather out
in ten seconds. We love you know,

618
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knowing the journey of becoming the fullness
of yourself, the journey of creating

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a bright future. You know,
it's a path of unknowing. And so

620
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the path is all about, you
know, kind of reconnecting with this idea

621
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that we're all navigators. We can
all find our way if we start to

622
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listen to our internal voices, if
we start to sort of kind of take

623
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the next right step, if we
if we you know, really allow ourselves

624
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the trust to be able to do
it. I think you probably had just

625
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probably terrified a few people that we're
listening with that, which is great because

626
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some people, right, it's that
piece of the certainty piece, right,

627
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what do you mean this is uncertain
Where I'm going to place my next foot

628
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.119
to step? It is right here. I love how you talked about that

629
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being explorers that were navigators and that
you know, there's this whole beautiful space

630
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of possibility. And it's even more
so my show a few weeks ago,

631
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who I just love He's got the
book, the Beautiful Business Book out and

632
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I just really believe love that he's
out to be able to evangelize the idea

633
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that all of us can elevate our
businesses to a higher serving level. Right

634
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with more consciousness and intentionality, we
really can lift more boats with that.

635
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And you know, it's just it's
so there's that possibility space that you talk

636
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about. I think is just so
important for us never to lose sight of

637
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well, and I also think we
underestimate ourselves. You know, I think

638
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the only reason that we fear uncertainty
is because we're out of practice. You

639
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know, we've lived in a world
of certainty or wanted to create certainty for

640
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:45.000
ourselves. But we're hardwired for exploration. We're hardwired to be navigators. And

641
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:49.159
it's like anything you go to learn
Spanish or I'm learning Spanish right now,

642
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.280
or you know a new sport.
It's like anything you learn, you just

643
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.480
have to practice. You have to
try it, you have to allow yourself

644
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:58.840
to be uncomfortable with it, but
to trust that you can do it,

645
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.000
you know, and to take steps
that, Okay, I did that one,

646
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.079
I can do another one. That
one I can do another one.

647
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.840
I think that's a lot of the
work of kind of again becoming the fullness

648
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:13.599
of who you are. Yeah,
just taking it just there's there's magic and

649
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.039
taking the action right. We both
know that. So a couple more things

650
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I want to talk about with regard
to what you've done with your company.

651
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.760
So, so I love that you've
named your company Tornisolt, which is French

652
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.840
for sunflower. I did know that, And I love that you use a

653
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.559
flower image imagery on your website and
it's also throughout your book and places.

654
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So tell us the story because I
know a little something about where this came

655
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from, but our listeners and viewers
don't tell us the story of how the

656
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:44.119
name was inspired. Why tornis salt
Well Again, The books are all about

657
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:49.079
sort of my personal journey and from
my purpose and thinking about what I can

658
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:53.320
do. The image of a field
of sunflowers is sort of my own brighter

659
00:43:53.360 --> 00:44:00.000
future. The brighter future I want
to create is a field of sunflower.

660
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Each flower represents a leader, like
seeds that I've been able to plant,

661
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:08.280
where people feel more inspired and equipped
to lead and live and lead in the

662
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:13.199
ways we've been talking about. And
so for me, the reason the company

663
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.199
exists, the reason I exist,
is to try to help people to be

664
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able to turn towards that different way
of living and leading. Gorgeous And then

665
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.280
on your website you have this really
wonderful, plateful way of introducing your team,

666
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:30.760
which I just think is exquisite and
divine and inviting. So kudos for

667
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.960
that, thank you, thank you, wonderful work you're doing. So here,

668
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.960
you know we did it. It
goes by so fast, Alisha,

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So you know this show is listening
to by people across the world, and

670
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we're all about creating workplaces where people
actually want to come to work and do

671
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their best. We have what I
call inspirational leaders, or those leading a

672
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.159
brighter future who want to actually lead
those people to their greatness, and we

673
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.800
do business how betters the world.
With that in mind, what we should

674
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like to leave our listeners with I
think I would offer a thought in a

675
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.559
question. The thought is, you
know my life as being an example.

676
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You know, in the face of
uncertainty and all the stuff we're all struggling

677
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.239
with right now, it is possible
to fully shine. It is possible to

678
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:19.000
do it, and I think the
place you start is deciding that it's something

679
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.280
that you want to do. So
the question I leave is for if folks

680
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:30.000
are interested, is to imagine your
life fully shining. What does it look

681
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:34.119
like for you? What does the
outside look like if you're fully shining?

682
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:38.280
And how does it feel different inside
if you were fully shining? And I

683
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:45.119
would just maybe give yourself permission to
play with that question and see how it

684
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.920
feels and see if that's something that
inspires you, and if it does,

685
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.920
then the next step will show up
for you after that. That is a

686
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brilliant way to finish the show.
In fact Alsha, those are the couple

687
00:45:55.400 --> 00:46:00.239
of questions that I have people who
write in There's their stories and Landell she's

688
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.960
way in on exactly those things fascinating. See I'm telling you our sisters from

689
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another mother. I don't know,
but yeah, I don't have to figure

690
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.320
it out because I love it.
That was such a fun conversation. I'm

691
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:14.199
honored to be here and again,
congratulations on seven years. That's just amazing.

692
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:16.280
Thank you. I really think that
you know you. You brought a

693
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shine literally to this seven year mark. So I really am so glad I

694
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.320
found you. Thank you your publicist
for putting us together. I loved reading

695
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:28.039
your book and sharing the concepts with
our listeners and viewers and to help them

696
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.719
shine more and lead butter futures.
So doctor Alisha Hare, thank you for

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00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:36.679
joining me as a guest. Thank
you again. Hire Welcome listeners and viewers.

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You will learn more about doctor Leisha
Hare and the work she and her

699
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:45.000
fascinating team are doing at Tournaisaul or
the book that she wrote, The Unfolding

700
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.880
Path. Go to lead Brighter dot
com. Last week. You've missed the

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show live, you can always catch
a be recorded podcast. We were on

702
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here with John Coleman, the managing
partner of Sovereign's Capital and the author of

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Crafting Your Purpose, Lead Into Your
Strengths, Bring Meeting to work difference.

704
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:05.039
Next week will be on air with
doctor Nathaniel Zinn talking about his book The

705
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.159
Confident Mind. A battle tested guy
to unshakable performance. See you there,

706
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Remember that works at least our of
our life. So let's work on purpose.

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We hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure to tune in too.

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doctor Elise Cortes, each week on

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the Voice America Empowerment Channel. Together, we'll create a world where business operates

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conscientiously, leadership inspires impassioned performance,
and employees are fulfilled in work that provides

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the meaning and purpose they crave.
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