From Prostate Cancer to Passion and Purpose

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Now onto this week's program with us
today is Tom Holsey, author malta iron

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man and a man who was who
on his birthday in twenty fifteen, heard

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the dreaded words from his doctor,
you have cancer. He's the author of

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the winning mindset that saved my life, as it turns out, and I

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wish I could tell you I had
the good sense and foresight to plan this.

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But we're having this conversation on World
Cancer Day. We'll be talking about

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his story of surviving prostate cancer and
the winning mindset he developed to combat it

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and has now dedicated his life helping
others battle cancer and those close to cancer

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patients. He joins us here from
my studio office right next to me.

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Tom, Welcome to working on Purpose. It's an honor to be here.

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So great, So let's just dig
into. Let's just dive in, shall

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we. So let us in on
just how it felt to hear I guess

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it would be five years ago those
three dreaded words in February twenty fifteen,

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at the age of sixty one,
you have answer. There were so many

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emotions that came flooding in. I
was fear, and I was just overwhelmed,

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and I was embarrassed. I was
ashamed. I almost felt like I

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was a fraud because people had always
viewed me as being very healthy and athletic,

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and here I am, I have
cancer, and again just so just

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so many emotions, but I was
I was scared. Compounding that fact was

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that I had just witnessed one of
my best friends, Lucy's life to prostate

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cancer. So that just really compounded
the fears that I had. I can't

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even imagine what it would be like. And part of the reason we're having

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this very conversation on air together is
because, as you and I discussed on

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the phone, men don't want to
talk about cancer. And I want this

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program to always push the envelope on
thought, leadership and presence important topics that

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really matter in life and affect our
work lives, and cancer is certainly one

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of them. That's great, many
issues in life that are overwhelming, and

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I would say getting diagnosed with that
cancer is at the top of my list.

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And many of my friends and colleagues
that are part of what I call

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this reluctant brotherhood, we're not as
fortunate as I was, and part of

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the reason is you just mentioned men
do not want to talk about it,

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but it's primarily because of the very
personal nature of prostate cancer and it's and

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it's you know, embarrassing, and
because of that, prostate cancer it does

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not get the does not get the
attention that other cancers do. It's it's

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really uh, it's it's not it's
it's misunderstood and underfunded relative to other cancers.

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And again that goes back to primarily
men don't want to talk about it.

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And I was a typical guy.
It took me thirteen months before I

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finally started sharing my story. That's
so important. That's another reason I wanted

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to have you on the show specifically, Tom, because we've had many women

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on the show talking about some of
their bouts with breast cancer or and other

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things like that. You're the first
man that I've had come on the show

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to talk about your about with cancer. So thank you. And just to

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kind of put those numbers in perspective, one in nine one in nine Caucasian

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and Hispanic men will be diagnosed with
prostate cancer in his lifetime. One and

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six African American men will be diagnosed
with prostate cancer in his lifetime, and

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to put those numbers in perspective.
According to the American Cancer Society, one

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in eight women will be diagnosed with
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numbers are very similar. A man
dies every sixteen minutes in this country from

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prostate cancer. Wow, that is
incredibly sobering. Another reason I want to

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make sure I share with you,
Tom and our listeners that I wanted to

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have you on the show is that
what you went through to deal with your

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cancer, persevere through it and the
treatment is really akin to what we all

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go through in life, just trying
to get through obstacles, and certainly when

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we're pursuing our purpose. So there's
some real interesting parallels here that I wanted

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to be able to call forth because
I want people to recognize that there are

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there are levers and roles and things
that they can use to be able to

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help them along their journey. So
another reason that you're just such a great

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guest, You're welcome. So a
big part of what's also compelling to me

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too is that you are an eleven
iron Man champion, And for those of

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you listeners who don't know what an
iron Man is, it's an amazing sport.

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My ex husband used to do these
things as well. An iron man,

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by definition, is someone who completes
a two point four mile swim,

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one hundred and twelve mile bike ride, and then just jots down for a

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twenty six point two mile run,
but under seventeen hours is the deal.

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So what's interesting too about your story
is that you've been competing in Ironman competitions

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for years part of your cancer.
But when you got your cancer diagnosis,

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it destroyed your belief that you could
compete in any sport or event you chose

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to what happened, well, like
I said earlier, it just you know,

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being hit with that diagnosis was not
was something that was out of the

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blue. I'd never expected it.
But when you compare it to I always

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like to say, the iron Man
is a metaphor for life. You're an

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iron Man race you it's a long
day, lots of ups and downs,

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and how you deal with the adversity
in that race very much parallels our everyday

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lives and and and really those that
that mindset that it took that it takes

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to complete an iron Man really helped
me in my in my battle with cancer.

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After I was able to change turn
my mindset around well. And again

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that's another thing that I wanted to
be able to parallel for our listeners,

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who are many of the people that
listen to the show are either trying to

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discover their purpose, they're trying to
cultivate it, They're trying to do it

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for their team, They're trying to
become better leaders. And I think there's

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so much of what you've learned in
how to cultivate your mindset that we can

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poured over to those ventures too,
which is why I wanted to have you.

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So that mindset is interesting. So
you say in your book your success

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in sports as a young man helped
you create that mindset you had for the

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discipline and lifestyle required to train for
the iron Man. So I want to

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understand more about this mindset. Tell
us about how did you cultivate it well

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to do it, To do an
iron Man, you have to have you

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have to have that mindset the motto
of the iron Man as anything as possible.

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And I cultivated that a really at
a very young age. Was I

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was always very athletic. I had
my father as a role model, and

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I was and that sports I was
in it was everything was about setting goals

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and achieving those goals, not always
not always meeting those goals, but it

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was always about setting goals and overcoming
the obstacles that they got in the way.

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I like to say that, you
know, he's setting the goals gets

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you beyond those short term obstacles that
you have. And I've talked a little

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bit more and more about that later
and along those lines before we get into

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that, because there's a couple of
things I do want you to surface from

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your book. I think it's important
that we actually define what we mean by

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a mindset. And so you say
in your book that mindset for you is

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a habitual or a characteristic mental attitude
that determines how you will interpret and respond

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to situations. And so then you
further went on to say in your book

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that perseverance, overcoming fear, and
living intentionally comprised the key components of a

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winning mindset. Say more about that, well, mindset really helps you gets

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through these circumstances when they are challenging. Mindset makes you a stronger person over

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time. If your mindset is producing
negative chatter, you must stop and really

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redirect what's playing on your mind.
And mindset really does all the key to

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overcoming many of life challenges. And
when I say mindset, having that positive

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or winning or growth mindset as opposed
to a fixed mindset, I totally understand

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that. I've I've I know Carol
Diwects work, which is what you're referring

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to, Doctor Carol diwect She talks
about the growth versus fixed mindset. And

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I'll just say simply quickly, I
did the Dallas Running Clubs Half Marathon in

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November. It was one of the
best races I ever had, and I'll

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tell you it was these exactly because
I had the best mindset. I played

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the best mindset game that I've probably
ever played in a race. So I

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appreciate that tremendously. I like to
say that, you know, people think

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that the Iron Man is all physical, but to really get to get through

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that long day and getting to the
finish line, I say, as sixty

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percent mental. And you have to
want to get to that finish line because

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not only is it physically challenging,
but it's also mentally And that really does

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and again so many parallels to that
with my cancer journey. Absolutely, and

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one of the other things that you
said that I think is really important to

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talk about here on the show.
Is that you said, remember, I

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quote remember with mindset to always look
up and forward to what lies ahead and

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beyond your current challenge, struggle,
or goal. The right mindset takes courage

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and diligence. It can help you
step out of your comfort zone. Your

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mindset drives the choices you make and
the habits you create. So that thing

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about stepping out now in your case
in particular, you had a very important

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goal that you were looking for on
the other side of getting treatment, and

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that was your daughter's wedding. Yes, that was really something that pulled you

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forward. It was because when I
again, when I was initially diagnosed,

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I was had. I had a
fixed mindset and I was pretty much ready

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to give up. But then I
had But then I was able to turn

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that mindset around. And one of
the things that helped get me through through

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my cancer journey and want to actually
pursue that the cancer treatment was to be

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able to walk my daughter down the
aisle, and that was ended up being

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fourteen months after my after my after
my surgery. That's amazing. We have

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I can see here on the Facebook
life stream. We have a couple of

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people here who can relate. I'll
just say the first name because you don't

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want your last name. Mark.
Thank you so much for joining us.

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I know you can relate very very
very dearly to this conversation. Let me

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also recognize what Debbie Mrazek said.
She says, a lease, when you're

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finished finished with it with the show
today, give Tom Holsey a hug for

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me. You two are awesome.
How's that so already? Right? You're

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you're making a difference. Good stuff. Thank you for joining us. We

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really appreciate it. All right.
So next I want to I want to

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ask you know, over the years
you've done eleven iron Man's Tom, which

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is really really impressive. But how
did you intentionally muld your mindset for training

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for and performing in iron Man's and
then later battling cancer. Well, I'm

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going back to your question earlier about
my success and daring. My youth really

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helped me create and mold that mindset
that I needed for the discipline and the

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last style required to train for train
for an iron Man and then subsequently my

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cancer battle. Again, I'm repeating
myself here, but mindset really does hold

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the key to overcoming life challenges.
So so let me let me present something

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for you and for my listeners.
So I'm going to ask for your advice

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on air. How's this? And
in early June of this year, so

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in just about four months or so, I will be doing my first ever

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long distance adventure race and it's two
hundred kilometers in Bhutan, which is a

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country between India and China. And
over the course of six days or stages,

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we're going to cover two hundred kilometers
and that is going to be trail

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running in through the rainforests and the
villages. And I know that's it's a

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hugely physical endeavor, but I do
believe that it's at least sixty five to

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seventy percent mind, Yes it is. Give it to me. What do

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you got for me? What do
I need to do besides drop out?

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Well, no, you don't want
to do that, as you've got to

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believe in yourself. And as I
said, the motto that I embraced was

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was the iron Man's which was anything
as possible. And it's again very much,

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if not more mental than it is
physical. But that's going that's going

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to be a challenge for you,
no question about it. But but if

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you have that you have that mindset, you'll be able to do it well.

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You know, it's worked for me
before in other races, and I'm

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going to see if I can get
this worked out for this race. Is

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in other races what I do is
I as I position myself behind a really

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good looking man and then I asked
them to release a wild animal behind me,

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and it was every time for me
to cross the finished life. There

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you go, incentive, it's part
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Mindset That Saved My life. A
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the Ironman's in training that he went through.

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of the mindset tools that he has
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Purpose. Thanks for staying with us, and welcome back to working on Purpose.

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If you're just joining us. My
guest is Tom Holsey, an eleven

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time Iron Man finisher. He's the
author of the Winning Mindset That Saved My

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life. He joins me today.
He joins us today from my office studio

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here in Dallas. Right next to
me, I'm your host, Elise Cortez.

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So for this next segment here Tom, I want to zero in on

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some of some tools that we can
actually leave our listeners with. One of

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the things that's important for me when
I host the show is that people can

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actually walk away with something immediately and
put it to use. So first,

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if you would, you already gave
me a little bit of coaching. Now

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you're also a hockey coach, I
was a hockey coach. Coach, okay,

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so I am. And you have
some great stories in your book about

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some of the impact that you had
with people that you worked with. So

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could you share with us a couple
more ways being what we've already said to

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me of how we can develop an
intentional mindset? Well, the first thing

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in having an intentional mindset, from
my perspectives, you've got to set goals.

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Goals give you structure for an intentional
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to them, make you accountable to
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if you're what you're doing is taking
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goal, and being intentional will keep
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also important and our healthy in our
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And I love this anonymous quote.
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taking care of your body is a
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is great, it is so true. But being intentional for me post cancer

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has been easier for a couple of
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goals to get through during my cancer
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competing for something greater than myself,
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on society. And today I'm motivated
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helping provide hope and inspiration to other
cancer patients around the world. Let me

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let me just take a second to
grab what you just did there, because

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and my work as a logo therapist, which is Victor Frankel's who are in

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existential psychology, logo therapy is really
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cultivate more meaning in our lives.
Meaning is the greatest motivator that we have.

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can look for sources of self transcendence, things that pull us outside of ourselves

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because we're not focusing on ourselves anymore. We focus on somebody else, and

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we can actually get through an awful
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what you're talking about, and it's
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I promise it works. To me, there's nothing more gratifying in life than

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than making an impact on other people. There's a there's a there's one sentence

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on Jackie Robinson's tombstone that I've embraced
it and it says so much. And

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that one sentence says a person's life
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has on other lives. Absolutely agree, Absolutely agree. Okay, so let's

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nest talk about perseverance. That's You've
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that I love that that whole idea. And to me, it's related to

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grit, it's related to effort,
it's related to commitment. So you say,

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you're saying in your book, you
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means keeping on with something even when
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from having the faith and tenacity to
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off for anyone who wants to achieve
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that. And you go on to
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train for adversity. I thought that
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this program are often trying to get
to their next level and life started business,

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go for their next promotion, raise
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with whatever we have going on in
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mentioned a minute ago, setting goals
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step. When you do this,
at those times when you are discouraged,

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you feel like giving up, you
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the situation looks bleak, Remember it's
temporary. You must consistently proclaim and visualize

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what you were trying to achieve as
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but you talk about that adversity stuff. And you have a beautiful piece in

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your book, Tom where you talk
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actual process of going through surgery.
But there's a place in there where the

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nurse asked you how you're doing,
or you ask how she's doing, and

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she says better than you, and
which was an incredible response. I mean

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wow. But so, but you
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like what prepared in your mind for
adversity or things didn't go well. I

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had prepared perversity, but in the
situation you just mentioned, though I was,

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I really was not prepared for that
because it wasn't the response I was

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expecting as I was getting ready to
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did. Really had to admit it
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was one of the times I really
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picture. So yeah, so that
might have been an off day for that

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particular care provider, let's hope.
Anyway, Now we talked about this before

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already, but this really, this
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a tool for us to all draw
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book, is that we have to
look for reasons to persevere in life,

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and we absolutely do. You know, I can tell you this that my

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listeners who've known Mere for a while
know that almost exactly a year ago,

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both of my parents passed away twenty
eight days apart. My mother was completely

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ready, she had lost the will
to live. She was like, give

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me the exit key, I'm ready. My dad followed her out twenty eight

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days of a broken heart. But
that thing about persevering looking for something to

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pull us is so important and for
you it was making sure that you could

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you could see marrying off your daughter
in July twenty sixteen, which was actually

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three weeks before your iron Man Lake
Placid. So presence for us give us

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more access. How can we look
for ways to persevere in life? Well,

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as you mentioned alluded to a second
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It's a trait that many people want, but it's hard, but they

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find it hard to accomplish. But
this goes for everything in life. Perseverance

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keeps you focused for that goal,
knowing that accomplishing it will provide great satisfaction

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and fulfillment. And I don't I
don't mean to make it sound easy because

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I had those really bad days,
just like that we talked about earlier with

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the nurse. I had to fight
for that perseverance. Having short term,

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intermediate and long term goals really helped
me persevere though through through my cancer journey.

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And I love Coach Finns Lombardi's quote. I've quote him several times in

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the book, but one in particular. When it comes to perseverance, it's

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not whether you get knocked down,
but it's whether you get back up.

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And just like just like in The
Iron Man, you're going to get knocked

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down, and same thing in life. You're going to get knocked down,

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and whether you're not you get back
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what I find really interesting. And
I've done this radio show hosting that I've

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done for the last five years year
I think number episode number two, utter

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and sixty two, believe it or
not. It's amazing. It's a it's

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a it's a mechanism for me to
continue catalyzing my own learning and growth and

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development. So I've had a lot
of conversations over these years that have helped

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me grow and learn. And so
motivation is very interesting for some people.

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I mean, there have been times
in my life when I've gotten a lot

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done tom by being mad by like
I'm going to prove somebody wrong that oh

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no, no, no, no, I will do this. You say

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I can't do it, watch me. And then there are there are other

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ways to draw from motivation, where
like you're drawing pro motivation to make sure

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you can marry your daughter off.
You're around for that, So that's pulling

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you forward, and that's a that's
that's from love and being wanting to be

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present. You know, I've known
many people who talk about and I've been

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one of them too, like,
I'm going to just keep working as hard

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as again because I'm afraid I might
fail if I don't. So there's so

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many different ways we can pull from
or pull on to be able to draw

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this perseverance, and I want to
presence that for our listeners, because it's

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not a one size fits all kind
of a deal. That's right, Yeah,

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anything else you want to say about
that before we go on to the

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next thing, go ahead, Okay, all right, so you did.

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Also, we talked about being intentional
already, but I think it bears.

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It bears saying a bit more about
this notion that the choices we talk about

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one foot after the other. One
of the things that I learned from Jeff

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Hayden, who had on the radio
show a couple of years ago. He

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wrote the Motivation Myth. He talks
about how really successful people they what makes

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what differentitions differentiates them from the rest
of us is that they literally make sure

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that every day they put forth something
that's moving them down the road. And

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it's that knowing that they've done something
that actually creates the sense of motivation and

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momentum that carries and stokes their motivation, and I think that's really interesting and

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worth presencing for our listeners as well. Thoughts on that well. One of

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the life one of the life lessons
that I've always taught young people, especially

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in their twenties and thirties, is
that you need to be intentional in your

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life. This is a foundation really
the rest of your life, and the

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decisions you make daily during this period, good or bad, will carry you

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forward the rest of your life,
especially decisions regarding your health. Set goals

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is very important, and I like
to set small goals because when you set

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small goals, you will achieve more
in the long run. That momentum carries

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you Yes, I've done something,
Yes I can do it, I'm moving

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yep. Yeah. It's just like
so many people have these grandiose New Year's

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resolutions, but there's just so they're
almost unattainable and then they give up.

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But you've got to set small goals
achieve to get to that. Well,

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and this is where I'll admit that
I'm one of those people. In terms

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of the Gallop Strengths Finder, there's
thirty four talent themes my number one is

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a chiefer, which means you can
find me completely guilty of. When I

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first get up that morning, I
make my list for the day what I'm

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going to do. I do put
on that list the things I've already done

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that day so that I can actually
cry them off the list because it feels

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so good and it gives me that
chult that I need to keep going.

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So it's kind of like that.
Okay. So another chapter in your book

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which is so so important to talk
about, especially as we translate this over

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to going for a purpose, going
for that next big promotion, starting our

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business, whatever it is, and
that is that four letter word fear.

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Overcoming fear is the chapter. So
I really appreciate that you say in your

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book that your struggle with your fear
of having cancer made you a stronger person

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and led you to a calling to
help others face the same battle. So

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that's a twofold interest for me here. So to overcome fear, you must

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first acknowledge it, but not focus
on it. That's really important. One

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of my previous guests on my radio
show, Rachel Stewart, has a fantastic

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way of addressing this really quick.
She talks about how if you're doing anything

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in life, fear is going to
be there with you, and your job

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is to acknowledge up it's sitting right
there in the car with me. Here's

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the deal, though, that fear
doesn't get to do any driving, doesn't

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even get to change the channels on
the radio station, doesn't get to weigh

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on the direction of where we're going
with the car. It just has to

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sit in the backseat with his headphones
on and enjoying the ride. But the

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fact that you're saying something similar,
fear is going to be there, but

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you just can't focus on it.
That's right. If I had not overtaken

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my fear of defeat by cancer and
losing my life, I wouldn't be sitting

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here right now. Learning to deal
with fear means more, means putting your

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negative thought in perspective. Negative thoughts, I should say, failure, or

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the curveballs that I call it in
life, are a part of the process,

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and you shouldn't be afraid of them. Change the way you view failure.

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Use it as an opportunity to learn
from your mistakes, learn to accept

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challenges. If you were going to
succeed at anything, there will be challenges

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and sometimes failure. We tend to
focus too much on the negative. I

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realized that by looking at all the
options, I could respond differently to my

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concerns and my fears, articulate the
positive outcomes to your fear. For me,

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my positive outcome was beating cancer and
walking my daughter down the aisle.

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So I think what I want to
say to about fear for our listeners and

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frankly to remind myself, is it's
a powerful emotion. It's useful, and

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so if we can if we can
direct it so that we can derive the

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benefits of the of the energy that
comes from fear, I think that's the

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opportunity. Yeah, yep, so
we talked about this before, but I

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do appreciate this so much, and
this is good for for what what our

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listeners can take from you too.
But you've been a beloved hockey coach for

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years and touched hundreds, if not
maybe thousands of lives, and so one

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of the coaches creed that rules that
you live by is share a few of

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your want I want you to share
a few of your most favorite rules to

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live by as a coach. I
wrote one Coaches Creed several years ago,

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and I actually have an outlined in
the book. But two of the points

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that that I really like and live
by. One is by helping others to

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do their best and attain their goals, I help myself. The second one

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is I will never forget how I
got to where I am today. So

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I know that Mark Noble is listening
here, he's on the Facebook live stream.

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I know that that he would absolutely
agree with that approach. He's a

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great coach himself, and that is
absolutely how he walks his life as well.

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So echo that what is a coach
of sport? And no, he

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is an executive coach. He does
he does work with inside of organizations,

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etc. But that would be exactly
a mindset that would he would employ.

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All right, so let's grab on
our last break. I'm Elie Cortez,

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your host. We've been on the
yar Tom Holsey, who is the author

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of The Winning Mindset That Saved My
Life. A cancer conqueror, having survived

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prostate cancer, he now dedicates his
life to helping others through philanthropy. After

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the break, we're going to talk
about his actual journey through and treatment of

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cancer and what he's up to today
to serve others. Stay with us,

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We'll be right back. Alice Cortez
as a speaker and engagement and development catalyst.

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She designs and delivers professional development,
leadership and engagement workshops and can bring

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her expertise to your organization. She
will help ignite meaningful development within your workforce

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that will increase employee engagement, performance
and retention. To learn more or to

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invite a lease to speak to your
organization, please visit her at www dot

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Elise Cortez dot com. She would
welcome the opportunity to help get your employees

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working on purpose. This is working
on Purpose with Elise Cortez. To reach

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our program today, send an email
to Elise ali Se at Elise Cortez dot

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com. Now back to working on
purpose. Thanks for staying with us,

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00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:56.839
and welcome back to working on purpose. If you're just tuning in, my

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guest is Tom Holsey in eleven time
Iron and Finisher. He's the author of

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The Winning Mindset That Saved My life. Having survived prostate cancer, he now

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dedicates his life to helping others through
philanthropy. He joins me today from my

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office studio here in Dallas. I'm
your host, Alice Cortez So for this

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last segment, we want to get
into really what it was like for you

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to go through your treatment, Tom
and also really understand how you've really developed

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some passion of your new passion and
purpose on the other side. So first

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let's talk about the chapter that you
have, which is Know your Option.

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So I want to talk about the
importance of monitoring your overall health and opting

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in for the screenings. I know
a lot of men, especially they don't

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they don't want to do the screening. So part of what you credit to

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your own through rival was early detection. And as I've a had guest on

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talking about how to help women detect
and deal with breast cancer, let's talk

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about what men can do to stay
in front of prostate cancer. Well,

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you have to be proactive with your
health. And is it what you said

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a second ago was so true.
Many men don't want to deal with it.

457
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But the key my surviving though was
was early detection. Of course it

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set really with really any cancer,
but early detection is key and it's a

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very simple PSA blood test. I
encourage men to get checked, you know,

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annually, especially after they after the
beyond forty it should be checked on

461
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on an annual basis to see if
if there's if there's trending up or not.

462
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The widow of my friend who lost
his life to prostate cancer will tell

463
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.039
you that, like me, he
was very proactive with his health and very

464
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active, but he skipped a year
in getting his PSA checked and that's what

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ultimately killed him because the cancer got
outside of the out of the prostate and

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uh. And so again my message
to men is he's really creating an awareness

467
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and being proactive with all your health
issues and talk about it. You know.

468
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One thing I'll also say too,
is I know a lot of men

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really have a problem with the with
the rectal exam, right, I mean,

470
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it's it's really not that bad,
and it's it's pretty quick. Well

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it's it's it's it is quick.
Yeah, it's not the most comfortable thing

472
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.239
in the world, but it beats
the alternative absolutely. But when I'm talking

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about the PSA test, so that's
strictly a test interstant and that's the first,

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the first thing to do or you
should be doing on a regular basis.

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And there's nothing invasive about a blood
test. It's a simple, well

476
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you get a prick in the arm, but that's not done. Okay,

477
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anything else you want to say about
options, Well, no, that's that's

478
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the main thing is early detection is
key in the battle against any cancer.

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Okay, Well let's let's talk about
your your cancer. So I want to

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hear about your actual treatment for the
cancer and how you ultimately beat it.

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What did you go through? Well, after I was diagnosed, I did

482
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a lot of a lot of due
diligence because there's different ways to treat prostate

483
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cancer. There there are side effects
to which whatever whatever, the course of

484
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action is determined. But uh,
but after doing my due diligence, interviewing

485
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experts in the different ways to treat
prostate cancer, I elected to have my

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prostate removed. Part of the thinking
was I just wanted to get the cancer

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out of my body and the and
the quickest way and the fact that it

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was it was it was caught early, the cancer was contained within the prostate.

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So I just had had my prostate
removed. So we're talking one surgery

490
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once, yes, uh huh wow. But that one surgery, though,

491
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is uh is really tough. I
mean, you got seven incisions across my

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midsection and uh, it's it's it's
hard but one of the things I did

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though when I went in, when
I was getting ready for my surgery,

494
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though is I prepared lack. It
was getting ready for an iron Man.

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I wanted to be in the best
physical shape that I could be in to

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help the recovery process, and all
because it's it's say, it's a really

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tough surgery. I had pictures when
I was in the hospital getting around in

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a walker and wearing a couple of
catheters, so it was it was hard.

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And then you talk about in your
book, how not long after your

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surgery you did not an iron Man
something else. Well, as I set

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goals for myself, I we've talked
about the long term goals of the iron

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Man and walking my daughter down the
aisle, but also had a short term

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goal and an intermediate goal. My
short term goal was to go on a

504
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.920
trip with the North Texas Crime Commission
on a mission trip to the state of

505
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Washington to visit Microsoft and Amazon and
other coumpanies up there. And that was

506
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just three and a half weeks after
my diagnosis, and that was that was

507
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hard. But my biggest goal,
or most gratifying goal, was exactly six

508
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months later, I did a half
iron Man in Austin, and so to

509
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go from getting around in a walker
to crossing the finish line of the half

510
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:08.280
iron Man was that was that was
a really neat, neat feeling to be

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able to do that. That's amazing
because basically the training for that I had

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to start at ground zero, if
you will, because it because I lost

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all my fitness and all through the
surgery and all in activity. Well,

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another thing that I find really interesting, And again, listeners, this is

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a place people often ask me,
you know, at least how do I

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discover my my my purpose. One
way to discover our purpose is to deal

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with what we've had deal with and
share what we've learned by going through our

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own trials and tribulations. And so
one of the things I want to celebrate

519
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.519
about you, Tom and have you
share about is your journey created a passion

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00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.239
in you to help others battle cancer. So you really got a newfound purpose

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through this pain. I did.
I As I mentioned earlier, I was

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I was a typical guy when I
was first diagnosed, and I kept everything

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inside and I was very isolated,
and it took me thirteen months after my

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diagnosed before I finally went public and
started sharing my story with people. And

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that was through with the encouragement of
my wife said, wanted you to write

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a blog if you if you impact
one person's life in this world, think

527
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.039
how that would make you feel.
And the first response back I got was

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from a guy in New Zealand.
I had given them hope and inspiration and

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then it just it just kind of
went from there and all of a sudden

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it became something bigger than me.
I was, you know, it was

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really you know, I was helping
other people, but at the time,

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I wasn't trying to make a difference
or make an impact in the world at

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the time. At that time,
it was just very therapeutic for me to

534
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.480
finally get it out there and share
my share my story. So it was

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again it helped me so much in
my recovery. But through that I recognized

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that my efforts were positively impacting people
and I really did develop a pack to

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help those and I feel very honored
that I have a mission to help others.

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So one of the things that I
help people in my programs understand is

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that there's through three ways that we
can find meaning and across our lives.

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One is through what we give of
ourselves to the world, and I call

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that our passion. That is what
we're giving of ourselves uniquely to the world.

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That's what you're talking about. Now, there's something about that giving of

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00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.320
that gives an energy to us in
the expression of that purpose or that passion.

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The second way that we can find
meaning is through encounters or experiences that

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we enjoy or that are valuable to
us. And so I call that inspiration.

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That is what inspires breath on our
lungs and gives us energy. And

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we need that too, So you're
doing that for other people by doing the

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work that you're doing. The third
way that we can find meaning in our

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lives is through the attitudinal stance that
we take against anything we face, and

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in your case, the attitude that
you assume, which is part of your

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mindset that I'm going to beat this, I'm going to work through this.

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I'm going to apply my very best
mental and physical game, and I'm going

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00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:07.519
to rally all my support in my
troops, and I'm going to get through

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00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:13.159
that. That is that was the
attitudinal stance that you took, and there's

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meaning in that, and that meaning, remember, is the ultimate motivator.

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In life listeners, And so you
know when we talk about now you've got

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this new passion journey, one of
the things that you say in your book

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is that you were given a ZERO
wristband by your surgeon after the surgery.

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So I want you to talk about
what does this Zero organization do and the

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movement that it stands to accomplish.
Well, let me say that, of

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course the listeners can't can't see this, but I Facebook can. But I

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have a blue wristband on right now. I've never taken it off. It

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was given to me by the nurse
the nurses the day of my surgery and

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what it says zero the end of
prostate cancer. And at the time I

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just thought it was a cool looking
wristband. I had no idea who Zero

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was. But I will continue to
wear it and I've never taken it off.

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This is a constant reminder of to
where where I've been and what I'm

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00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:09.000
representing today. But Zero is a
nonprofit national organization that's dedicated to finding a

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cure for prostate cancer by furthering research
and providing support to prostate cancer victims and

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their families and just creating awareness.
And I've I've embraced their their mission.

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And but when I before, I
before I did really kind of sign up

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to be with was Zero. I
did a lot of due diligence and one

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of the things that that I really
was impressed by was their financial performance metrics.

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They were very high. As you
hear a lot of there's a lot

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00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.800
of philanthropic organizations that have gotten in
trouble, you know, with how they

576
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:58.519
how they allocate their money. But
but Zero's stewards their resources very carefully.

577
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:04.079
And uh again, I very honored
and humbled to be able to represent Zero

578
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.039
well. And so now what we're
getting into is your philanthropic journey. So

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00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:10.000
another thing that I want to talk
about is that you were asked to join

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the board of the Dallas based nonprofit
Mary Crowley Cancer Research. So what's the

581
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.239
mission of this organization and why are
you so passionate about working on their board?

582
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:25.800
Well, first of all, Mary
Crowley was founded Mary Crowley Cancer Research

583
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:34.760
back in nineteen ninety seven due to
her fundamental belief that cancer patients needed access

584
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:44.119
to better cancer treatments. And the
mission of Mary Crowley is to give is

585
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.159
to give cancer patients hope if you
will, in fact, their tagline is

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Hope Lives Here. And this is
for all cancers. It's not just prostate

587
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:59.559
cancer, breast cancer, but it's
all cancers. But anyway, Hope Lives

588
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Here. And I'm again very honored
to be representing them, and they're they're

589
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:08.719
based right here in Dallas, trying
to create more awareness out there in the

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00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:15.440
market for Mary Crowley. But again
just so honored to be able to to

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represent them too and be on their
board. So another thing that I want

592
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.920
to call out for our listeners here, as I always try to echo and

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00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:27.480
the teachings that I hear from my
guests, is when you can when you

594
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.639
can align your some yourself with something
bigger than yourself, it cause bigger than

595
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:36.400
yourself, an organization bigger than yourself. You become bigger in that connection.

596
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.559
And that's that's definitely something I would
recommend to anyone. It does help us

597
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.760
persevere, It does give us something
more to live for, It gives us

598
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.199
that ability to self transcend. So
what you're doing is magnificent, and you're

599
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:54.599
helping to expand her, execute her
mission, and do more good in the

600
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:59.440
world. So I appreciate that we're
getting close to the end of the show

601
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:00.960
here. But what I want to
what I want to get to here is

602
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:05.800
since I haven't ever had to deal
with cancer, thank you very much,

603
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.719
I can't possibly fathom what you've gone
through on or before the side of cancer

604
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:14.280
and after. Can you paint a
picture for us, Tom, who were

605
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.280
you before cancer? And now who
are you after? Well? First of

606
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:23.159
all, my success as an athlete
gave me a false sense of invincibility,

607
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:29.599
if you will, and again it
was it was very It was very humbling

608
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.920
to get this cancer diagnosis, but
I was but I almost had what I

609
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:38.800
would call it an arrogant mindset because
of that invincibility. But the cancer has

610
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:45.760
really humbled me and surely changed me
too. Being a survivor or conqueror as

611
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.280
I like to say, has really
given me a wonderful perspective on life.

612
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My journey has created a passion to
me to help others battling cancer, and

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like I said, including their families
and all. But lesson learned as I'm

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a few minutes ago, there's nothing
more gratifying in life than making a difference

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in people's lives and paying it forward. And I really have grown to appreciate

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the value of serving a cause greater
than my own self interest and really making

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a positive impact on humankind. I
really appreciate that for my listeners who heard

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me say that say this before.
I have a lot of urgency in my

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life to really execute on my purpose
too, and my vision tom is to

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touch and make a difference in one
million lives before I'm dropped into the ground,

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or as somebody said today, I
get my wings before I get my

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wings, And so that's something.
There's something about that. It gets me

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out of bed every day. It
gives me something to live for and I

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do want to be of service to
my purpose. So I really appreciate what

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you're doing on this show. I
always like to give my guests the last

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words, so you know, this
show is really about helping to presents meaning,

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passion, inspiration, and purpose is
designed to equip leader across the globe

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to help their teams enjoy their work
more and be more fulfilled. What would

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you like to leave our listeners with
today? Take things less seriously, Try

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to keep perspective and understand that no
matter what struggles you're going through, you

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will get through them. They are
not as bad as they seem, and

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you're stronger than you think I still
have to remind myself of this though on

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a daily basis. But lastly,
remember this is my tagline. Life is

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not a spectator sport. I so
agree with that. I so agree with

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that. Tom Well, I want
to thank you for coming and sharing your

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experience, your wisdom, your heart
with us. It was very evident that

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all of that was here. Thank
you very much for that. Well,

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it's very again, I'm so honored
to be here and I really do appreciate

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it. I appreciate the platform to
share my story. You're welcome, and

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we need to give a shout out
to who introduced us. That's just McCorkle

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here in Dallas. He's the one
that connected us justin rock Star Fine.

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Thank you very much for that.
So listeners, if you want to learn

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more about Tom, his philanthropy or
his book. The easiest way to find

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to miss his website. It's just
simply Tomholsey dot com. Let me spell

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that for you. It's Tom T
O M and then Holsey h U L

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S E Y So Tomholsey dot com. Last week, you can miss the

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live show, you can always catch
it be recorded podcast. We were on

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the air with Kathy Rawlings and Terry
Spears talking about their book The Inner Journey.

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Next week, we'll be on air
with Ellen keithline Burn talking about her

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lifelong passion and pursuit to develop leadership
and women and why women are so critical

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in leadership roles today. So you're
there, remember that work is at least

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a third of her life. So
let's work on purpose. Well, you

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hope you've enjoyed this week's program.
Be sure to tune in to Working on

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Purpose, featuring your host Alice Cortez, each week on the Voice America Empowerment

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chan. This week, find your
life's purpose at work