Doctor’s Orders: A Prescription for Empathy to Reunite the US

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doctor Arthur Cera McCauley, a licensed
clinical psychologist who has been treating clients for

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more than thirty five years. He
is currently in private practice while also developing

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courses and podcasts for an educational company
in China. Based on his recent books,

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The Power of Empathy, The Soulful
Leader, and The Triumph of Diversity,

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His latest book expresses his heartbreak at
the divisiveness and hate speech predominant in

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the United States, a cancer he
stands to eradicate through his teachings. His

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book is called America Reunited, a
relational solution to bridging a political, social,

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and personal chasm dividing our nation,
which we be talking about in today's

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conversation. He joined today from Boston. Doctor Sera mcauleague, welcome back for

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the fourth time working on purpose.
Thank you, it's good to see you.

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It's great to see you. It's
really great to see you. And

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as I say here, this is
your fourth time. You are the only

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guest that I've had on my show
four times. I think I've had somebody

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on twice and thrice, but never
before. Well, I'm honored to be

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here again. Yes, me too. And before we get into situating the

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whole problem of extremism and hate speech, which is really what you're addressing in

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your book, I want to start
with you, doctor c as we like

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to call each other, this being
your fourth time, because you keep writing

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books, but this book that you've
written this time is intensely personal and even

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a bigger reach for you to a
larger audience because you were diagnosed with plasma

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miloma cells recently, which means,
as you say in this book, that

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you have cancer in your heart,
which I find just completely ironic, given

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that you've done so much work helping
people work on their own hearts. How's

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it going, How are you feeling. I'm feeling great. My numbers are

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down. I have a great treatment
team here in Boston. It toughs medical

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sun, so I'm doing very well. I'm very fortunate to be in this

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area to obtain expert treatment. I
see one of the experts in the world

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of this alm or doss, these
toxic proteins that can locate in your heart.

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One of the reasons I included the
story in the introduction to the book

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A Lease is that I wanted to
display to the reader how powerful emotions can

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be and how they distort perceptions.
You know, this concept of confirmation bias,

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that we the outcome that we want
to see, that we actually produced

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it in our minds, even though
it may not be there. And for

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instance, when I first heard that
I had cancer of these toxic proteins in

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my heart, I still right now, even when I say the word,

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I don't feel like I have it. So intellectually there's one knowledge base,

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and then on an emotional level there's
somewhat of a denial there. As you

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and I were talking a little earlier
before we came on air. But you

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know, nutrition has say that we
are what we eat. What I say

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as a clinical psychologist, that we
are what we and I think our perceptions

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have been so distorted recently in this
country on both sides of the Aisle,

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Democrats Republicans, the hateful speech,
the sadistic actions, and it really has

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demoralized Americans in a great way.
Yes, I completely agree with that,

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and I appreciate what you say.
Also early in your book, is you

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talk about that it as you were
navigating your own cancer journey, that you

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also saw that there was really the
United States was being confronted with its own

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cancer and its denial of and its
level of unrest in recent years, and

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instead chooses to see America as the
greatest nation without really engaging an objective and

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Elsis, I thought that was incredibly
profoundly real and thoughtful and accurate, you

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know, and I would like to
believe that it isn't true, but it

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is true, and we have to
face up to it. That we have

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right now the greatest rates of prejudice
that we've had in the last thirty years.

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Anti Semitism, we know, just
in the last few weeks it's up.

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Racis has increased, is lawophobia is
up, discrimination against people of different

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sexual orientation, it's up. And
suicide suicide is up dramatically in our country.

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So we're in trouble. America is
in trouble, and we need to

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address it. We need to address
it comprehensively. Yeah, and what I

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also appreciate. I completely agree with
that, by the way, and I'm

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so happy to have you on the
show talking about the importance of this and

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doing so in a way that I
think is reasonable and actionable for all of

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us. I really, I just
you know that I've been a fan of

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yours for years and what you've now
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so important and so timely. And
when you were talking specifically about this notion

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of the societal disease that manifests from
hateful speech and hateful actions is vengeon and

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as you said, outright sadism,
and you address the need to understand and

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influence those who feel disenfranchised, disenfranchised
and left behind. I think that's really

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important to talk about, is that
there is such an enormous general population that

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does feel disenfranchised and left beyond it, just because a little bit to help

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us understand just kind of the numbers
you write in the book are phenomenal,

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just huge, Well, forty million
people, at least forty million people are

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living below the poverty line, and
sixteen million children. And the suicide rates

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and this is mainly in the Midwest
and the South, but the suicide rates

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in the Midwest, it's now been
called the Mountain States are called the suicide

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belt because there's so many unemployed people. And if you combine unemployment, gun

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ownership, and alcoholism or opiate addiction, you have high suicide rates. So

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it's a deep concern, a deep
concern. And if people don't have employment,

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they're very apt to listen to distorted
views on media outlets and radio and

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so forth, you know, and
be convinced that because they're looking for an

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enemy. Oftentimes, people, particularly
people would suit stick cores, people that

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tend to project out their dissatisfaction rather
than acknowledging it inwardly. They're blamers.

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They blame other people. So now
they're being given a cause. The Democrats

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hate the Republicans, the Republicans hate
the Democrats, and it goes back and

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forth needlessly because a lot of their
dilemmas, especially that tendency to be statistic,

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to be hurtful to others, has
nothing to do with politics, nothing

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to do with politics whatsoever. This
is a personality issue. You know,

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when we saw the uprising in April
sixth in the Capitol of January sixth,

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I'm sorry, in the Capitol and
we saw a man with a pole,

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you know, hitting a guard.
That man hitting that guy, that had

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nothing to do with his political persuasions. Because I know many Republicans. I

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have Republican friends that have Republican patients
who would never do that in their wildness

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dream. They would never pick up
a poll that hit an innocent person.

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That's a personality issue. So I
think in the media we haven't talked about

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it that way. We haven't talked
about it as a psychological issue, because

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that's what it is. It's not
a political issue. And that and one

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of the other things that I found
fascinating about your writing at this time in

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this book is that you talk about
how more and more Americans have been adopting

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extreme views to the right or to
the left, and some of the very

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serious conflicts that you've already brought up
to come to that and to the point

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even this extremism is that when I
read this, I laughed, But I

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shouldn't have, because I do.
I've heard it all over the place.

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You said that you know couples whose
significant other doesn't agree with their political position

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oftentimes I'm not really allowed to sleep
in the same room with them. I

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mean, it's incredible. Yeah.
You know, I've been a practice and

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clinical psychologist, as you said in
the introduction, for a long time,

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and never in my thirty five years
of practicing have I had indications at times

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where people talk about politics in therapy. But it's so common now, and

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it's been so common for so long. It seems like a little less in

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the last few months. But it
is people have tuned in in ways that

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they never have before, and that
tuning into stations and outlets that may not

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necessarily be telling them the truth.
We have to really work to distinguish between

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fiction and nonfiction, entertainment and facts, you know. And that's that's where

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I talk a lot about empathy,
because empathy is a capacity that allows us

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to see the whole field, all
the variables that we've encountered, so we

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can ascertain the facts. It helps
us see the long beyond the surface.

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But in the nightly news and most
of the stations, you know, their

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biases in different ways, and we
have to we have to be a little

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tolerant and about doing some of the
hard work to ascertain the facts and not

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assume that we've just got to tweet
on our computer on our phone and it

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tells us what's happening in the world
today because it could be vastly inaccurate.

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Yeah, so too, And we'll
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the third segment as well, and
died more deeply into that, but being

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much more active as individual citizens.
That's one side now. The other side

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that I want to talk about next
is the importance of language used by leaders.

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And you say in your book both
both Democrats and Republicans used hateful language.

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You said, over the last four
years, particularly language used by leaders

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has been enormously divisive and even sadistic. They have essentially given Americans permission to

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hate, to lie, and to
demean those who consider to be their opposition.

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We know at leads from credible research
that when leaders talk and disparaging ways

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about people that they object to,
or ideas or theories they object to,

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particularly it's cruel language. It filters
down to the population as a whole.

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And what it does do is it
desensitizes people. We have language now that

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we've never used in our history,
and we don't see people crossing the aisle

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as we used to twenty thirty years
ago. Democrats stay in their own little

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cocoon, and Republicans stay in theirs. But we have seen this language infiltrate

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even to the even to young children. They hear it on TV. They're

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getting ready for school in the morning
and it's on one of the news stations,

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and it affects them. It makes
them feel more insecure. But it

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has become commonplace, and that's dangerous
because we're not being kind to each other,

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even civil to each other. If
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then you attack them. That's the
new mode. Rather than trying to

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understand them, we attack, right, there's no discourse. One of the

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things I appreciated about your book in
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how John McCain and Barack Obama were
able to discourse even though they each disagree

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with each other, they both outward
publicly respected each other and worked to converse

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and talk about the issues versus just
simply put each other down. Yeah.

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I love the example. The actual
event that took place when John McCain was

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running against Barack Obama and a woman
came up to him and mentioned that Barack

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Obama was an Arab, and John
McCain took the microphone away from her,

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and he said, no, he
isn't. He's a US citizen, he's

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a decent human being. He happens
to be someone who has opposite political views

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than I do, But we don't
talk that way in America now. John

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McCain, I didn't agree with everything
he believed in, but what I did

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believe in is he was a patriot. He crossed the aisle. John McCain

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had friends on both sides of the
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often today, right. I've heard
that from numerous sources as well, who

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I regard as being informed. And
then you also talk about in your book

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that I believe you say that Barack
Obama gave a sorry and losing the word

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a speech on behalf of John Kay
when you passed, well, John McCain

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picked Barack Obamer as one of the
people to deliver his eulogy. He's the

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word I was looking for. Yes, is amazing, It is amazing and

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such a testament. And so why
did I want to have you back on

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the show. One of course,
I'm a fan and I believe in what

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you're doing, But I think this
work is so timely and it does cross

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over both of our worlds, and
I do want to make the world a

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better place, and it does start
with being able to have more civil discourse.

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And I love I've never heard anybody
speak to empathy as deeply as you

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do, doctor Sir McCaulay. And
I know you have a profound command over

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because of the work that you do. But we'll talk more about that in

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the second segment here, But before
we get to that, I also want

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to talk about what you speak on
speak on the book regarding fixed views and

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realistic views. This is just fascinating
to me. And you say those in

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need have lost faith in government and
as a result of their vulnerabilities, are

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in a position to be easily manipulated
by hateful rhetoric blaming a fictitious enemy for

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all the wrongs in our society.
You know, at least eighty percent of

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Americans say they have no faith in
Congress. Eighty percent. That's amazing.

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It is amazing Americans say they have
no faith. No. I have a

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client who has been a lobbyist in
DC for many years, and she said,

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and she's at the end of her
career, but she said, well

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she started, you know, you
would go you would see at lunch or

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and dinner at d C. At
d C, the Republicans and Democrats would

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be eating together, she said.
It never happens now. It's like you

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can't cross the aisle even for dinner, or even have lunch, even to

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have a discussion. It's like it's
become clannish rather than actually serving the constituency

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that elected you. It's become clannish. You can't you can't go against your

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Doctor c I'm a last Cortez,
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of in depth spiritual awakening. We've
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I'm your host, Doctor Elise Cortes, so as we continue talking about your

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book, Doctor c and the forward
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it here for our listeners and our
viewers. It says, as doctor Schwartz

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and Berghoffer stated and forward, we
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of an expansive empathy to allow us
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reason. We all need to play
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the following pages will provide readers with
a guide to do so. The stakes

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are very, very high. My
cancer is treatable, and so is the

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cancer in our country, but only
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are all willing to implement at least. Empathy is so critically important in this

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time because empathy is the capacity to
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another. It allows us to look
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the surface today. People are defined
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and we've never had this before in
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as part of their identity. You
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of people who are upset if someone
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of the other political party. Today
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which is amazing. Can you imagine
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I'm marrying a Republican or a Democrat
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they're so surprised, they're so upset
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personality profile rather than realizing the facts. Are Democrats indicate that Republicans are racist?

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It's not true. Republicans say that
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It's a very small minority in either
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have those extreme views, the amount
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each other, it's not really the
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six percent of Republicans are far right, and eight percent of Democrats of progressives

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and the rest the sixty seven percent
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in the middle right right and one
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fascinating about what you write about.
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was fascinating when you talk about you
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and narcissism and then generosity and empathy
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we're talking about right now between the
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seen narcissism grow more people are behaving
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empathy as a society. We know
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know that businesses, as you know, who have more empathy and the pathic

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environment, their profits are higher.
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empathy, people are healthier, live
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And children in schools who would have
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cognitive skills. Their test scores are
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skill. It really results in productive
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it right now. We're seeing more
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them, you know, the black
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rather than more expansive thinking. What
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doctor Ce. What really comes to
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approach, you know, a spitting
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emotionally intelligent leader who knows how to
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the energy, the space is open
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reach for understanding. It's not a
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top of the other person. That's
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It's so palpable. It's so critically
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leaders, because what we have seen
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parties are guilty, is if they're
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the other right, rather than trying
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what is your position? What is
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understand where it comes from, rather
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grown men are on the TV every
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this have large followings. And I
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individuals who tend to be more statistic
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think people realize this is entertainment.
It's not news, it's not fact,

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it's entertainment. These aretainment shows,
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entertainment. Yes, and they're not
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offer something in your book as of
course if you're prone to do because you

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stand for this, you stand for
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of their own biases to themselves and
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of the book where you talk about
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brain, you say, and you
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we become attentive to the moment,
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We notice emotions as they occur before
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at that point before past conditioning takes
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which we can benefit. People can
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was taking place and by using their
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Emotions are acute, as you know, they tell us something about the

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experience we're having with another human being. On the other hand, if we

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haven't worked out some of our old
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and we can start we can react
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becomes more distorted. So there's a
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a biased aspect to emotion, where
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ex wife, I don't have an
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and I may have an uncomfortable feeling, And now I'm I'm saying, well,

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boy, you know, at least
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really want to work in that project
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you're not using the emotion constructively because
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We all have biases from the past. My career has been dedicated to

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helping people reduce their prejudices toward themselves
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that, then we can perceive clearly
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guide to what's happening in our world. Yeah, there there are a flag

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if you will. So one of
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you today, right now in the
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viewers, because you do this beautifully
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say that in our culture today there
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reaction and produce strong responses in people. And you say, and I'm going

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to read the list for our listeners
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listeners and viewers to your emotions when
I read this list. Black Lives

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Matter, me Too movement, DACA
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movements, LBGB, LGBTQ rights,
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change, vaccines, white supremacy,
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wage, the Green New Deal,
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there's a lot of juice in those
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Yes, you know. I wrote
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vote for? You did Jesus,
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reason I pick those for is I
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bias, but could But the chapter
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facts to who actually would be the
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would you just vote for the person
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when you were a young child,
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facts. We've do this all the
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admire about you and respect about you, doctor c is that you are a

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student of major the major religions of
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and you have something to learn from
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I think that that's something that's really
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we are reared in one certain faith
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about the political party, or about
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and we haven't done our own work
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examine and explore what's for us,
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What kind of a citizen is that? I think as adults, our

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responsibility is to examine our prejudices,
because we all have them. We have

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biases. We grow up with biases
toward ourselves, We go up with biases

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toward other people, other nations,
other cultures, maybe other genders, other

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ethnicities. But to be a person
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world. We have to examine those
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them, just like in this political
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biases to the opposite political party.
We have to really ascertain the facts and

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find out what we've been thinking.
Is it actually true or did we hear

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it some on a broadcast or from
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never examined it. It takes some
time and work to figure out who we

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are to figure out what was happening
in our world. It takes time,

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and it takes work, and if
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with the started thinking all the time. I was sharing this with my friend

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Charles this morning. We run six
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sharing this with him, and I
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is such important work that if we
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we actually are contributing to the problem, We're not making the world better,

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We're just we're contributing to the problem. And one of the things I appreciate

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too about your book is I like
how you let us into the group therapy

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sessions and really helped us understand how
some of that work really helps people to

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examine put a mirror, if you
will, to their own biases, their

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own prejudices, to see where they
came from and just are they really true

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and how are they working for them? Incredible work that you do. You

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know, the highlight of my week
is the three Groups. So I've been

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running for many years at least,
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much is that people come in thinking
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and by the time they leave,
they've unlearned so much. And I think

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a lot of becoming a mature,
reasonable person is unlearning some of the faulty

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things that we learned about ourselves and
others. And it happens in group,

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in a group experience, because you
know, after people listen to you attentively

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for several months, it's hard to
deny. If nine or ten people think

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one thing of you and you think
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stick to your story. We're all
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rational reasonable people to find out who
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is true or accurate. Yes,
indeed, And so that's one method to

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be able to start to set aside
as you say unlearned some of the things

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that we have accepted as truth.
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book that I find incredibly compelling,
and I believe we talked about this in

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one of the other shows before,
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I want to show this with our
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useful. And if we could do
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any kinds of groups, I think
it would be incredible. But you

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describe it as a method whereby a
random sample of people is brought together to

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discuss a particular topic or public interest
topic such as global warming, anything it

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could be. Materials and experts are
provided to allow for a factual assessment of

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variables involved in making decisions in small
group discussions. The method has produced encouraging

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results. People emerged less hostile to
each other realizing that they have made conclusions

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that were not fact based. This
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it works because you're bringing in experts who

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are indicating what they believe that they
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you're giving material to people to read. Well. One of the keys I

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think is you're slowing down the process. You've got people on one side and

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the other side said, let's say
climate change. People don't believe that it

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exists. People that do believe it
exists. But instead of them yelling at

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each other or insulting each other,
you have moderators that are slowing down the

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process. And the key to empathy
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listen. Impathic listening. Impathic listening
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the moment, and I want to
understand yours. And when that happens.

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In some of those meetings and deliberate
polling, seventy percent of the people change

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their minds. Seventy percent of the
people change their minds about the person on

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the other side of the table.
It was amazing, It is amazing.

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And you even say in your book
there are examples from people exiting those those

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deliberate polling groups who were veemently opposed
to each other walking in and actually hugged

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walking out. Yes, yes,
well, because you're finding the common ground,

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and politically there is more common ground. We don't hear about it.

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But if you pull the populace people
who identify as democratic or Republican. Excuse

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me, You see that there are
far more similarities than there are differences.

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Absolutely big. Your heads are not
indicating that that's absolutely where I want to

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go to next. After this next
break, doctor ce, I'm your host.

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Doctor Release Cortes were on the air
with Arthur Cierra McCauley, a licensed

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clinical psychologist, author of numerous books, and believer that self care and the

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capacity for empathy are the keys to
personal and professional success. We've been talking

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a bit about self awareness and developing
empathy to intervene in the issues of our

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times. After the break, our
last session will be focused on leaders and

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each of us what we can do
individually as our own role to improve the

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situation. Staying with us, we'll
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a management consultant specializing in meaning and
purpose and inspirational speaker and author. She

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helps companies visioneer for greater purpose among
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learn more or to invite Elise to
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at elisecortes dot com. Let's talk
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purpose. This is working on Purpose
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program today or open a conversation with
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at elisecortes dot com. Now back
to working on Purpose. Thanks for staying

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with us, and welcome back to
working on Purpose. I mentioned after the

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first break about the Grab your Gusto
Wellbeing web learning series. The content and

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that programs adapted from part one of
my recently published book called Purpose Ignited,

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How It's our Leaders Ignite Passion and
all that Cause, which is now avaiable

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on Amazon. And I wrote that
book to awaken awaken readers to their passion

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and purpose and help transform them into
inspirational leaders who enliven the workplace and elevate

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the contribution of business to all stakeholders. So that's where the content came from.

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If you're just joining us, my
guest joining us today is from Boston.

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Doctor Arthur here McCaulay, a licensed
clinical psychologist and author of numerous books,

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including his latest called America Reunited,
a relational solution to bridging the political,

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social, and personal chasm dividing our
nation. I'm your host, Doctor

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Lee's Cortes. So for this last
segment here, doctor c I want to

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talk about really what each of us
can do individually as our individual roles,

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as well as what leaders can do
to start to ameliorate the situation, if

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you will, and I want to
start very deeply with your perspective and your

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learned views on empathy and forgiveness.
You talk about origins of hate as often

447
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rooted in early deprivation or abuse and
result in blaming of others for what a

448
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young person could not control or alter. Would you help us understand say more

449
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about this. I think that listeners
and viewers will really be quite taken aback

450
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to really recognize just what is at
the heart of this. You mentioned this

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in the first segment that the person
hitting with the baton is actually it's not

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about politics, So what are we
looking at here? It's always fascinated me

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at least that people that grow up
in very very difficult circumstances, one person

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will be that person with the baton
hitting the innocent police officer, and another

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person has worked out their difficulties for
given the people that have hurt them because

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they've used empathy to understand, They
understand their circumstances. And one of the

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things that comes with empathy is that
you realize that most of the time people

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gave to give you what they can, they give you to the extent of

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ability they have. So you may
have not been treated very well, but

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it isn't necessarily because that's an evil
person who wanted to intentionally hurt you.

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Maybe this person, maybe you parents, or coaches, or whoever it is

462
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that may have even amused you or
treated you inappropriately. It's coming to understand

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who they are, not necessarily approving
of any of their behavior. You don't

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have to approve to forgive, but
to move on, you have to understand

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where people are coming from and that
it wasn't as personal as you may have

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felt as a child. So some
people overcome, They go into therapy,

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they go into some of the groups
that we just talked about, They talk

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to friends, they open up.
It's not something you can keep to yourself

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and work out. You need objective
feedback from other people. But some people

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develop the hate that we've seen recently, and they hold on to it tightly

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and they want to abuse other people
to kind of correct the abuse that they

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experience. And what they're doing is
they're putting old faces on new faces.

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They don't even they're that person who
was hitting the officers with I mean,

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he doesn't even know that person.
So that person's he's making up for what

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was done to him by doing it
to an innocent person who has nothing to

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do with him. And that's how
misdirected it can be. But there are

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ways of resolving these kind of difficulties, there are ways of overcoming trauma and

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so on. Two things I got
from that doctor c One is that I

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really got so present that you know, when we see these these people with

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these tremendously hateful speech and these hateful
actions, really what we're seeing, if

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you tell me if I'm wrong about
this, is this is a person literally

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on stage and raw of their own
experience, their own wounds. They are

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they are projecting out the self hatred
they have onto someone else. They are

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reliving their childhood. They're returning to
the scene of the crime and reliving it

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on innocent people. And it speaks
to a sense of inadequacy and insecurity.

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People who are aggressive, people who
are statistic, are never happy people.

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They're miserable because they always have an
enemy. There's always somebody that they're complaining

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about, somebody that they want to
get even with. And what wait,

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how can you feel in ease within
yourself or have any sense of serenity when

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you're always trying to fight with someone
And it speaks to insecurity. And I

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think it's very important that we know
that when you see leaders talking that way,

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they're sharing with you their inadequacy.
Yes, that's exactly what I wanted

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to showcase Dotrace, just because that
is when people really understand that that's what

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that is. Now they really have, I hope, the capacity to start

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to look and use empathy. And
you say it because you say your own

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hurt gets in the way of being
a whole empathetic person. And so if

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we can recognize that's what's really going
on here, I think we can start

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to separate the weed from the chef. We have to not idealize sadistic leaders.

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We have to look up to leaders
who lead with integrity, authenticity,

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and empathy, what I call soulful
leaders, because these are the people that

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people want to be around them and
want to be around and learn from,

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and they establish an environment where it's
very high spirited. The other environment is

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one of fear. They lead through
aggression and fear. They're always threatening people.

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And then some people take that on
it's thinking, oh, how strong

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that person is. It is not
strength at all. It is, as

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I said a few minutes ago,
it's the depths of inadequacy. I entirely

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understand that. And I really wanted
to make sure that you speak to them.

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You did that beautifully. And then
now I want to go on to

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this whole notion of and you started
to say this in the lasting that of

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thing, but the divide, you
say is actually driven less by the adherence

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to the positions held by each party, but more by the hate they have

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cultivated for each other, and that
they both overestimate how much members of the

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other party dislike them. And then
they also resumeate the degree to which with

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those of sorry they disagreegree to which
they disagree on central issues, and they

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agree on certain others. And so
would you speak a bit about to this

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whole notion of back on the leadership
front here of what's happening between these parties

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that continues to fuel this extremism and
this hate, well both sides are guilty

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of dehumanizing each other. And I
think that it is a select view at

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the top that influenced people going down
going down the ladder in particular parties.

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We as Americans have to vote for
people that cross the aisle. We have

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to start. We have to demand
that people across the aisle. We can

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no longer just vote our party.
You know, voting your party in today's

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world means that you have to eliminate
fifty percent of other people's views. We

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need people across the aisle. We
need people who serve that the citizens and

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voted them into office, not people
that just go along with whatever party they

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belong to. That's that's what we
have too much of. Agreed, And

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as you say in your book,
I do the same thing. You say.

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You tend not to necessarily vote by
a party line, but what for

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whatever person represents what you what you
what you tend to align with or can

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support. Am I right about that? Did I get that right? Yeah?

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I mean I tend to vote for
the person, not the party,

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the person of the party. Yes, yes, me too. I wanted

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to make sure I got that accurate. I wanted to make sure that that

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that I didn't say anything that was
erroneous on your on your behalf. So

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then let's go back to what you
and I said in the first segment here,

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is that we need to do our
jobs as citizens, as individual citizens.

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And you say, we've become accustomed
to terms like alternative facts, fake

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news, the far right, the
far left, all terms that indicate bias

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00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.039
in choosing a side. And so
again this is where we get into this

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notion of what are what are we
watching? Are we watching entertainment or what

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are we watching here? And and
you also, and this is actually really

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important, you also say then that
as a results a tendency to lose faith

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in all news and all authorities.
And as New York Times Calmis matt By

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points out, if we lose faith
in being able to determine the difference between

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entertainment and reality, between fiction and
nonfiction, we will further accentuate a world

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built on marketeers and media. Yes, and I mean his comments are very

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00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:30.360
poignant and very very important, because
again, when you're watching news and nightly

548
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:37.679
news in particular, under different stations, you have to separate what is entertainment

549
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:45.119
versus what its facts, and when
people are talking with great intensity and great

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passion with very degrading, dehumanizing language. Don't trust them. Don't trust them

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because the likelihood that that person is
giving you an accurate depiction of what's happening

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in our world is very low if
it all existed, because there's no reason

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to talk that way, there's no
reason to dehumanize other people. That's a

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person who has an agenda, and
always be careful to not take in people

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that have an agenda, and then
trying to get you to come on board

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and start to talk and act in
the same way. One of the things

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that you also point out in the
book, which I certainly subscribe to and

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do my best to it here too, is you talk about the importance of

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getting your news from different outlets by
intentionally making sure that you are not just

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receiving from your usual posts, but
doing your homework and trying to get a

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variety of voices and perspectives in the
mix. Some of the studies that I

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cite in the book A Lease is
the people that watch the same news programs

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every evening have the highest rate of
distorted thinking. Yes, because they're listening

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to the same commentators over and over
again. But always remember pay attention to

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the land language. I know I'm
repeating myself, but it's so critically important.

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When the language becomes disparaging, don't
trust that the information you're receiving.

567
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So what I certainly want to emphasize
here on this show, and again one

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of the many reasons I wanted to
have you on again is is I am

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asking what do I stand for?
Is I am like you in many ways,

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I am standing to try to help
elevate the world, help elevate our

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consciousness, our own positive impact in
the world, our own our own ability

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to make a difference with our one
precious life. So what I'm asking you

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readers, excuse me, listeners and
viewers, is to do more of your

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homework, to step up on a
bigger on a bigger fashion and how it

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is that you consume and evaluate news, right, That's what we're doing here,

576
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So I really wanted to make sure
we got that point across. I

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think you're you know, you're encouraging
listeners to do their homework about your own

578
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background and also to not just accept
a face value what you hear, but

579
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:07.320
also examine the personality of the person
who's giving the information, because that's critically

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important. It is it is.
And as we get closer to the end

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here of our time together, I
want to say, which I think is

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a perfect way to finish, And
then I want you to close with your

583
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.639
own thoughts. But you say,
ultimately one must choose tolerance of diverse ideas

584
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.760
rather than a narrow minded, dogmatic
view. If one will open his heart

585
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and become more vulnerable while acknowledging and
resolving the hurts of his life that have

586
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.199
remained unhealed, the heart will soften
and anger will dissipate. The world will

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00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:39.840
expand as one's range of friendships,
resulting in a high spirited, happy life.

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We are a diverse nation. That's
what we are today. We are

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00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:50.360
a diverse nation, and diversity allows
us to learn from people that think differently

590
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than we do, have a different
perspective than we do, they have grown

591
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:59.079
up in a different culture than It
makes the world exciting. Rather than shutting

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00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.960
down diversity, which we've seen,
when we close the door, and we

593
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.599
have we have the other side is
the enemy. Open the door, be

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00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:12.480
exposed to different points of view.
You don't have to take them all in,

595
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.559
but at least this is an opportunity
to learn. We learned from people

596
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.639
that have had different experiences than we've
had. If you just stay in your

597
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:27.119
little group, you become very very
narrow minded and small minded. Agreed,

598
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.719
So you know how I do my
show. I read your book from cover

599
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:37.760
to cover, I take voracious notes, and I really create the conversation around

600
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.000
what I think is important based on
what I've already had on the show and

601
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.880
what I'm trying to put forth and
curate into the world. So we have

602
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:46.760
a few more minutes here, doctor
c. So what else would you like

603
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:53.440
to make sure that our listeners understand, learn hear from you. I think

604
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probably one of the most important things
is that we need every single human being

605
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.320
that lives in this country to make
an effort. We need to make an

606
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:08.199
effort. We need to slow down, We need to listen empathically, need

607
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:13.760
to expand our empathy and try to
understand people that seem different from us.

608
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:19.920
You know, people make discriminatory remarks
or make judgments just on the way people

609
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.320
look. Now we know that from
credible studies as well. Open the door,

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don't assume that you know the other
person, and examine some of the

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biases that you've had toward yourself in
the world that you've heard early on in

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life as well. We have to
do that, but we have to do

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it now, and we have to
demand more from the people that lead our

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communities, our states, and our
country. One of the things I want

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to make sure that our listeners and
viewers really get from you that I would

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wager about that most people don't understand. And because I think there's a lot

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of talk these days about emotional intelligence
and empathy, but what I don't think

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people really really understand is that empathy
is a remarkable tool, as you say,

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to slow down, which allows you
them to get a hold of those

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emotions and understand what they're trying to
tell you before you just simply react from

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them. So that whole notion of
you just said it to be able to

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slow down. Why is it that
empathy allows us to slow down? When

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we give in received empathy, we
produce the hormone oxytocin, which is the

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love homon, the connecting hormone.
It makes people feel safe, it makes

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people feel secure, it makes you
feel closer to the other individual. So

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it's actually we're creating a brain change. So when you give and received empathy,

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why is it that in those deliberate
polling groups that people change their minds

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because they were having empathic interchange with
each other. They started to feel rather

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than feel prejudiced towards the other person, they were feeling safe with the other

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person. You can't do that if
you don't slow down and listen. The

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old adage of we get two years
in one month God gave us you know

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that we should listen twice as much
as we talk. Ask yourself, do

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you talk more in an interaction or
do you listen more? You listen more,

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you learn more, and yes,
And there is a reason that I

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keep hosting this radio show as you
as you know, because I do learn

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so much from people who help me
expand my thinking, my understanding of the

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world, my place in it.
And it's and sometimes I don't necessarily agree

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with what they have to say or
their perspective, and so learning and hearing

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where it comes from helps me understand
and expand my person in the world.

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And that's what I want to do
and I want help others do the same.

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So I really appreciate you coming back
and joining us for our fourth time,

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doctor Ce And it's just every time
I talk with you, I feel

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like the world somehow gets a little
bit bigger. So thank you for joining

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us. Well, thank you very
much, Elise. You know you are

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the host who really reads a book. I have taught that frequently. I

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always look at your notes and they
feel like, oh my god. You

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know, I mean you do your
homework because you are a curious person,

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and I think you're a lifelong learner. So I appreciate that very much.

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I am, and I thank you
to get to learn from you listeners and

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viewers. If you want to learn
more about doctor Arthur Seer McCaulay, his

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work or his books, maybe you
could start just by going to Balance your

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Success dot com is at the best
place, doctor seed Well, the new

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book is on Amazon. That probably
the quickest way to read a summary of

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it or to obtain it if you'd
like to. Okay, and thanks again

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for our partnering sponsor work Proud,
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their work from people across your company.

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Last week, you give missed the
live show you can always catch be recorded

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podcast. We were on the air
with Joyce Tom of Energy at Work,

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talking about the work she does helping
leaders and organizations to build the resilience,

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agility, and energy necessary to feel
ongoing business and personal growth. Next week,

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we'll be on the air with Sean
Harvey, a chief compassion officer and

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masculinity guide at Simponia Men's Study.
We'll be talking about his work addressing the

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emerging narrative around the next frontier of
men's healing and transformation work demas defying gender

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at work to navigate the shifting gender
rules and roles, and integrating compassion into

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masculine systems and cultures. See you
there, Remember that works at least a

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third of our life. So let's
work on purpose. We hope you've enjoyed

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this week's program. Be sure to
tune in to Working on Purpose, featuring

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your host, doctor Elise Cortes,
each week on the Voice America Empowerment Channel.

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Together, we'll create a world where
business operates conscientiously, leadership inspires impassioned

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performance, and employees are fulfilled in
work that provides the meaning and purpose they

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crave. See you there, Let's
work on Purpose.