Confidence: The Essential Performance Tool

Confidence, or the lack of it, is the ultimate deal maker or breaker, and no one is immune from its tenuous presence. Whether just starting your career or leading a large organization, and everything in between, your ability to learn, improve, and...
Confidence, or the lack of it, is the ultimate deal maker or breaker, and no one is immune from its tenuous presence. Whether just starting your career or leading a large organization, and everything in between, your ability to learn, improve, and apply confidence makes all the difference in your desired achievement. In this conversation with the Director of Performance Psychology Program at the United States Military Academy West Point, you will learn how to understand confidence, build it, protect it, and rely upon it when your performance matters most.
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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
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People ache for meaning and purpose at
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and know their lives really matter.
They crave being part of an organization that
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inspires them and helps them grow into
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such a force for good in the
world, elevating humanity. In our program,
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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want
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Working on purpose. Now Here is
your host, doctor Elise Cortes. Welcome
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back to the Working on Purpose Program. Thanks for tuning again this week.
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Great to have you. I'm your
host, Doctor Release Cortez. Join you
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live from Dallas, which is home
base for me. If you don't know
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me yet, I'm a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose, organization,
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loco therapist, inspirational speakers, social
scientists, and author. My team and
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I help companies discover and articulate their
purpose and it into their culture and operations.
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We work with forward thinking or forward
reaching organizations to develop inspirational leaders who
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unlease their passionate and purpose at work
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You can learn more about us and
how we can work together at Alice
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Coortes dot com. With us today
as doctor Nate Sensor, he is the
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director of Performance Psychology Program at the
United States Military Academy at West Point,
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the most comprehensive mental training program in
the country, where since nineteen ninety two
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he has helped prepare cadets for leadership
in the US Army. He also has
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been the sport the Sports Psychology mentor
for numerous elite athletes, including two time
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Super Bowl MVP Eli Manning and the
NHL's Philadelphia Flyers, as well as many
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Olympians and NCAA champions. He is
the author of The Confident Mind, a
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battle Tested Guide to Unshakable Performance,
which we'll be talking about on today's program
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You Know Today from the New York
Hudson's River Valley area. Doctor Zencer aka
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doctor Z, Welcome to Working on
Purpose. Thank you for the invite,
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Doctor C. This is a treat
right you know. It's so great.
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I had I have had a.
I had a gent on that on the
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show, except four times he is
doctor C just like me. So we're
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gonna have fun with this, right, Okay. So, as I told
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you before we got on the air, doctor Zenser, I think your book
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is phenomenal. It's incredibly important,
and certainly in the work that I do
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inside organizations with leaders, confidence is
critical. So we kind of start the
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show a little bit backwards. Rather
than starting with what is confidence? I
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want to talk about why it's important. So first thing that you say in
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your book is you say confidence makes
one's peak performance possible. And that's why
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it's of such great importance to anyone
who has to step into an arena or
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deliver their best skill or their best
their best performance. Tell us a little
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bit more about this, this notion
of how does it make our best peak
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performance possible? When we are in
a state of confidence, When we were
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in a state of certainty, there
is is a lot less buzzing around in
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our brains, fewer thoughts about what
might happen, what could happen, what
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should happen, what should not happen. Anytime we have those vast log of
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discursive thoughts. Anytime that is going
around. That's sucking up our bandwidth,
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that's sucking up our energy, that's
making it harder for us to actually pay
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attention to what does matter, the
conversation we're in, the ball we're trying
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to hit, and so by interfering
with what's coming in, those thoughts make
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it harder for us to actually be
present. Those thoughts also make it harder
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for our accumulated memories to go back
and pull out from our experience the right
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response in the moment, because again
there's all this interference. Further, all
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that discursive thought interferes with the delivery
of the proper instructions through our nervous system
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to our eyes, to our hands, to our feet, to our body,
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to our mouth, in order to
deliver the best response in the moment
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to what is actually out there.
That's why a sense of confidence, a
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sense of certainty, is so important. M H. And we're gonna peel
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that back quite a bit as we
go along. But next, let's talk
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about your actual operational definition of confidence. Certainly, I try to put it
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in a very concrete context for people
who actually have to go out there and
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do things. Most definitions of confidence
are rather abstract they're just sort of conceptual,
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but they don't really help you function. And my definition is simply this
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confidence is the sense of certainty you
have about an ability or a group of
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abilities, which allows you to execute
those abilities basically without thinking very much about
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them, basically act unconsciously. We
all have experience. We all know what
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it's like to be automatically tying up
our shoelaces, which is a rather complicated
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process when you actually think about it, but we practiced it, and we
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got to the point where, oh, I don't have to think about that.
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So I can be automatic, and
I can be that way completely tuned
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in to what's going on, without
having to worry about how I'm doing it,
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whether I'm doing it right or wrong, what the consequences might be.
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I can stay present while I'm doing
any activity if I had developed that sense
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of certainty about it. I find
that definition so accessible. Thank you for
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that. Okay, so next,
we can't not talk about this, doctor
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z right. We have to talk
a little bit about the work that you've
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been doing training the minds of US
Military Academy at Cadets. Amazing. I
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can't even imagine my brother in law
as a colonel in the US Army,
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and I can't even imagine the kind
of training that he's gone through. So
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tell us a little bit about that. Okay, I am very privileged who
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have been an employee for the Department
of the Army for the last thirty years.
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And I'm speaking to your audience today
not as a representative of the Army.
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Now, I'm not speaking on behalf
of the Army. I'm simply speaking
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on behalf of a civilian subject matter
expert who's been lucky enough to work and
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support the important work of the Army. And I have to say, Alice,
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working at West Point has been the
honor of a lifetime. These are
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young men and women who, instead
of simply following the path of least resistance
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and going for something that might be
a heck of a lot of fun,
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they are investing in a very demanding
forty seven month cadet experience from which they
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will earn a bachelor's degree and a
commission as a second lieutenant in the Army.
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So they have to be very good
in the classroom to get that Bachelor
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of Science degree. They've got to
be very very fit physically. We have
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mandatory physical fitness training, fitness testing, all kinds of interesting mandatory courses,
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boxing, grappling, survival, swimming, you name it. And in addition,
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we have a full athletic program where
these cadets compete on the NCAA Division
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one stage. So it really is
a different experience for these eighteen to twenty
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two year old folks who are going
to go on to serve for a minimum
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of five years in the army.
Many of them serve for ten twenty thirty
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years, raising coming up to some
of the highest ranks in the army.
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Others will leave after their five or
their ten years and take on civilian leadership
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jobs throughout the country. I got
goosebumps a second that you started talking about
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being such a privileged role, and
I really appreciate that you have that perspective
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that you get to literally be part
of all of these lives and help steward
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them for it. It is phenomenal. But wait, there's more. You've
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also worked with Olympic athletes and world
class athletes to help them develop critical confidence
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and position for peak performance, which
is crazy. In my introduction I named
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one of them. Can you give
us maybe a couple examples there? Certainly
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I was privileged to be a regular
consultant to the NHL's Philadelphia Flyers for about
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twelve seasons. These are very talented
men who travel all over the country playing
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an eighty game schedule, a very
fast, very physical sport that requires tremendous
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physical toughness, but it also requires
tremendous mental toughness to try to be at
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your peak that often, that regularly
in the face of, you know,
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some hostile crowds, because, let's
face it, ladies and gentlemen, the
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enemy gets a vote. Yeah,
this is important to realize. And we
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think of the glamorous experience of a
young man playing professional sports. No,
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it is a grind, it is
difficult, It involves all kinds of challenges.
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But simply to inform, maybe inspire
a little bit, but to educate
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some of these fellas in how to
get the best out of themselves that last
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fifteen percent of their performance, which
at the world class level is the difference
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between first place and tenth place.
This has been my work with so many
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elite performers over the decades. Yeah, you know, it's so interesting when
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I first, well, first,
let me back in and say, I
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feel very privileged to do the work
that I do to be able to host
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the show. Now for seven years, I have met some amazing minds like
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yours, and I am bettered by
that experience. Right, I learned from
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that experience and so so many of
the things that you said in your book,
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they were novel and new to me. And at first I was like,
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oh, wait a minute, this
is a book. This guy's a
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military guy. Oh, this guy's
a sports guy. But of course,
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immediately within the first few pages,
I realized this is applicable everywhere in life,
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right, And why I wanted to
have you on the show. And
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so it's just the profundity of it
for me is pretty pretty intense. So
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you talked about what confidence is.
I wonder I didn't ask you to think
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about this, but it might be
interesting since you do in the book,
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could you say a little bit about
what it isn't Confidence is not outspoken arrogance
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hack and the book, Yeah,
that is something that I think we have
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a little trouble with in this world. The idea, the perhaps stereotype of
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the confident individual is someone who is
loud and brash and calls attention to him
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or herself. And that's not all
that socially appealing for most of us.
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But the fact of the matter is
that confidence, as I described, is
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this sense of certainty. It's an
internal thing. It has enough to do
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with how loud or how quiet you
might choose to be. So I tell
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all of my clients and students,
and I will tell share this with all
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your listeners. If you happen to
be a naturally somewhat introverted, somewhat private,
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somewhat quiet individual, you can achieve
tremendous confidence because it's what you have
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on the inside. It's you can
be a very polite and very respectful,
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modest individual on the outside, okay, but you can have a tremendous sense
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of power about yourself on the inside. One of my favorite stories, and
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I should tell this because it's winter
Olympic time right, thank you, was
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working with members of our US bobsled
team in preparation for the two thousand and
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two Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, now twenty years ago. Of the
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members of that team, a young
lady who won the gold medal in women's
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bob sled in that Olympic Games,
was about the quietest and you know,
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shy young lady but when she stepped
out of the sled having just won the
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Olympic Games, with the crowd going
wild and the flag's raving, and along
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comes the commentator from CBS Sports and
shoves the microphone and young Jill Bachan's face
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and says, well, you know, you weren't the metal favorite and you
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weren't really supposed to be or how
did you do this? How did you
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accomplish this? Jill Backham, in
her quiet, modest, respectful way,
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just said, well, we had
confidence and that's what we had to go
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with. Mm hmm. He said
that in your book. It's beautiful.
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Yeah, And that's another reason why
I so badly wanted to have you on
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the show, because I, as
I mentioned to your publicist, in the
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work that I do inside companies with
leaders, there isn't anybody that doesn't suffer
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from confidence, right. There's it's
just it's like almost a crisis. And
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sometimes I think it's women suffer more
than men, but it's not. That's
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not really what I found. And
so it's so so important what we're talking
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about here, and this notion of
of you also talk about protecting it later
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in the book as well, which
I think is just really powerful. So
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there's so much we could talk about
here. But before I go on,
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you know, to to we're gonna
we'll take a quick break here in just
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a second. Before we do that, though, doctor C. You know,
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why did you write this book?
This is a lot of work.
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Yeah, this was a lot of
work. But I had to write the
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book because of the number of people
who would come into my office and say,
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Gosh, I just don't seem to
have any confidence in myself anymore.
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I used to be. I used
to feel pretty good about what I could
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do and how well I could perform, But it seems to have evaporated.
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And that was the theme that kept
coming up and kept coming up, and
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kept coming up and kept coming up. So I figured I'd put everything I
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knew about it into between two covers, and so here's the book. M
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hm. One of the other things
I really appreciate that you say in your
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book, which we have to say
on air here, is that confidence can
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be developed, it can be learned. It's not something you're either issued with
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or don't get right. That's so
important that listeners and viewers hear that.
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Yeah, that is exactly the case. And again, the young lady.
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I was just referring to Jill Bochan. The bob Slider is a perfect example.
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Okay, Jill Bochen looked me in
the eye in December of two thousand
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and said I could use a lot
more confidence, Doctor Zencer. And then
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fourteen months later, she's jumping out
of the sled having just won a gold
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medal in the Olympics, and when
asked, how'd you do it, she
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said, well, we had confidence, So I guess she grew some in
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those intervening fourteen months. That's an
important lesson for people. I don't care
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how much you do have or how
much you don't have. I don't care
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what aspect of your life. Trying
to get some in you can grow more,
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build more, cultivate more. It
is a skill that you cultivate and
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build, just like your ability to
hit a backhand, or your ability to
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do push ups, or your ability
to run, or your ability to understand
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some of the dynamics of the periodic
table of the elements. It's a learnable,
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practicable skill. Great way to send
us into the break, Doctor z
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I'm your host, Police Cortez,
who run a year of with doctor Nate
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Zincer he's the author of The Confident
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performance. We've been talking a bit
about some of his work and why he
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got into it and how he does
it. After the break, we're going
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to talk more about some of his
methodology to help grow that confidence. Stay
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with us, We'll be right back. Doctor Release Cortez is a management consultant
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specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational
speaker and author. She helps companies visioneer
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for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop
purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that
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elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment
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com. Let's talk about how to
get your employees working on purpose. This
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is working on Purpose with doctor Elise
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dot com. Now back to working
on Purpose. Thanksteresting with us, and
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welcome back to the program. Before
we talk again with doctor Ze, I
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do want to invite you to check
out my book it's called Purpose Ignited,
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How inspiring leaders ignite, passionate,
elevate. Cause it's on Amazon. I
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wrote it to awaken readers to their
passionate purpose and help transform them into inspirational
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leaders who enliven the workplace and elevate
the contribution of business to all at stakeholders.
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There's something there for everyone, and
I do use the content as a
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basis for my Vitally Inspired Leadership program
and the Grab Your Gusto program. So
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help you check it out if you're
just during the program today. My guest
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is doctor Nate Sincer. He's the
director of Performance Psychology program at the United
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States Military Academy at West Point.
He is also the author of The Confident
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Mind, a battle tested guide to
Unshakable performance. I'm your host, doctor
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Really's Cortes. So now let's peel
back some of this onion, shall we.
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Let's do that. Let's do it. Let's cook, all right.
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So first I want to I want
to talk about this really interesting perspective that
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I think that we have to talk
about as a foundation. So you say,
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the truth is this confidence has relatively
little to do with what actually happens
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to you, and pretty much everything
to do with how you think about what
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happens to you, and then you
go on to orient us to the idea
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of confidence like a bank account,
which is brilliant. So let's start with
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that perspective if we can. Certainly, there are innumerable stories of endials who
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had a lot of good experiences,
a lot of success along the path of
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their lives, yet they still felt
incomplete, they still felt insecure. In
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the words of one gentleman who went
on to enter the NFL's Hall of Fame,
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I thought I sucked. Despite having
a remarkable backlog of success, having
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been drafted high, playing starting in
the NFL, leading the league in a
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vital statistical category, making a rather
nice salary, his successes somehow didn't inform
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his feelings, and the reason being
because when he thought about himself, his
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memories flashed back to some of the
plays where he was held back, some
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of the plays where he missed an
assignment, the relatively few episodes of mistakes,
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failure, and set back. Conversely, you can come across some people
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who have had a lot of setbacks. They have experienced relatively little success in
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the course of their lives, yet
they are very good at thinking about remembering
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hanging on too, lingering upon the
memories of their relatively few successes, and
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hence they feel powerful in the moment, and they go into their work and
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their lives with a great deal of
enthusiasm, so it does not matter what
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happened to you. One of the
stories in my book is of a tragedy
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that occurred in the early days of
the Iraq War in April of two thousand
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and three, when a young man
that I had counseled at West Point,
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captain of our lacrosse team, now
retired Captain John Fernandez, his platoon,
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moving forward towards Baghdad in the early
days of the Iraq War, suffered from
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a friendly fire incident. A US
plane, an Air Force plane, mistakenly
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dropped a bomb in the wrong place, and that bomb took off young Lieutenant
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John Fernandez's legs. And this was
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he woke up in the hospital and
he got the news that two of his
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soldiers had died in that attack,
and he looks down at his legs,
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or what used to be his legs, and says, I will never feel
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sorry for myself. I'm going to
have a great life. I'm going to
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have a great life. Here is
a man who just suffered a considerable tragedy,
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yet he was reacted to it with
a sense of optimism and purpose.
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And if you were to meet him
and he was wearing long pants, you
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would never know that he's walking on
two prosthetic legs. It's those kinds of
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stories that teach us it's really not
about the events in our lives, it's
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the perspective we take on them.
It is the classic stoic philosophy that has
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meaning for everybody in this world today. That sets us up perfectly to start
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kind of peeling back that onion.
We were talking about the layers. So
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one of the things that you talk
about here at which I really appreciate the
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ways at the whole book up,
but you talked to us about the importance
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of ability and the effective mental filter
to capture those valuable past deposits. So
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you're talking about these events that occurred
in the past. So I think that
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if you could just say a bit
more about how we can construct, consider
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and develop that filter for those past
events to handle those past events. You
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know, we all have the ability
to pull certain memories back from our storehouse
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of experience. I'm simply asking people
to be somewhat selective and somewhat careful about
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the memories that they bring into their
consciousness time and time again. I urge
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people to think about your most fulfilling
moment in your work, in your sport,
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in your relationships. What are the
moments that stand out as being very
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fulfilling and memorable. Let's put a
list of those together. I call it
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the top ten for obvious reasons,
Let's list those top ten memories. Let's
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post that list somewhere where we will
see it and be reminded of the things
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that we can take pride in,
the things that give, indeed give our
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lives. Meaning, those ten memories
to me are like ten big fat checks
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that have been written out to you, which you walk down to your local
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bank with and ask the teller,
may I please open an account? Here's
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my deposits, And now you create
a storehouse, a repository of me memories
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that give you a sense of purpose
and enthusiasm and optimism. That's how we
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start this process, to create a
mental bank account. You know you're reminded
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me just now in this moment,
doctor Z of a great movie and listeners
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of viewers can connect this Cinderella man
Russell Krauts going in for the big fight.
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What does his coach and trainer do. He strolls into the room and
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he starts recounting all these great past
successes. Who was it, by the
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way, that beat so and so? Oh, that was me? Right,
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that's what you're talking about. That's
what I'm talking about. And if
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we give it a moment's thought,
every one of us can come up with
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that top ten list. And all
that is required is the will. You
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have the capacity. That free will
is built into us as human beings,
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and all you need is a little
bit of desire to look for the best
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in yourself. We construct that initial
top ten list, and then we take
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that same process us, but we
put it into use day by day.
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We made gay Yeah, daily deposits
into that mental bank account. At the
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end of the day. It can
be as you leave the office, as
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before you retire for the evening,
take out a pencil and take out a
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notebook and write down where did you
put some quality effort in today? Where
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did you resist procrastination? What did
you get done that was maybe a pain
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in the rear, but you got
it done because they knew you had to
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get it done. You should acknowledge
that you should record that little episode of
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effort and then record an episode of
some kind of success. What did you
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get right? It doesn't have to
be a big thing, but what did
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you get right? What is the
point that you made in the conversation with
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your boss or with your teammate.
What is the drill that you performed well
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in in your sports team practice?
What little thing did you get right?
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Scribble that down and then think about
maybe today, yesterday, the day before.
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What does it seem like you're getting
a little bit better with where you
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make in progress? So you record
an episode of effort, an episode of
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success, an episode of progress.
That's your daily esp Those are the ways
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you make daily deposits into your bank
account. And now you are building up
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a storehouse of memories that can make
you more certain about yourself in your next
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performance moment. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
I want to throw something else up for
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our listeners and viewers as well to
build on that in the world of just
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the world of corporate work. So
I've worked with several leaders who then do
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what they call a brag session.
So they take their successes and they socialize
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them with their boss, so their
boss knows the kind of work that they're
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doing, what they're proud of,
and then the boss has stuff to be
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able to share back up into the
through organization to help develop their careers.
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So I love your It's what did
you call that? The ESP Daily Daily
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ESP Daily sp listeners and viewers hit
it. Okay, So we covered the
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past. We just covered the present. You know, we got to go
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next, and that is the future. So I really appreciate that you talk
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about the importance of spending fifteen minutes
a day, just fift minutes a day
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envisioning your ideal future. Absolutely,
and I got to say, doctor c
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your use of the word visioneering,
I love. Okay. We in a
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way, we time travel into the
future all the time, but unfortunately a
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lot of our time travels take us
to destinations that we really don't want to
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go. We have the capability to
envision, to imagine, to create scenes,
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still shots, short video clips of
the experiences that we would really like
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to have, and I'll tell you, ladies and gents, it's fun to
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do that. You can be the
director of a great short movie in which
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you are making progress towards a promotion
in which you are gaining skill in a
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sport or a physical activity in which
you are making progress in the course of
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study. For the law student,
the medical student, the business student,
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it's very desirable to actually imagine yourself
doing the things that you need to do
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tomorrow and next week, and also
imagine the outcome that you want. And
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interestingly enough, your nervous system when
you carefully envision with a lot of detail,
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full color, surround sound, the
smells, the tastes, the sense
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of movement. When you envision that, your nervous system responds to those pictures
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very much the same way the nervous
system responds to actual repetitions of those actions.
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In a way, your nervous system
doesn't know the difference between what you
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vividly the experience in your imagination and
what you actually experience in the so called
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real world. And that is why
athletes especially have made use of this to
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get themselves extra repetitions of a particular
technique or skilled that they're trying to build.
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And they envision winning that final set
at the Australian Open or the US
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Open. They envision that two minute
drive that scores the touchdown in the Super
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Bowl. You can bet that every
member on the Los Angeles Rams and the
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Cincinnati Bengals preparing for the upcoming Super
Bowl have received a detailed scouting report and
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know what they're going to be looking
at, and they are very disciplined about
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seeing carefully in their imagination exactly how
they want their execution in certain situations to
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be. I found that really really
compelling, Doctor c in your book.
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I'd already already do visualizations on a
daily basis, but I wasn't doing them
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nearly to the level that you describe
in your book, with all the senses
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and really playing it out and just
being in that moment. So I started
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doing that. Thank you very much
for that gift. See, well,
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let's see what happens for me.
Okay, let's okay, all right now.
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The next thing I want to have
before we're going on our last break,
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our last break here is you talk
about the importance to constantly protect our
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confidence, and you mentioned a few
ways we can do that. Let's share
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those with our listener and viewers.
Absolutely, let's face it, ladies and
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gentlemen, confidence is fragile. It
doesn't last forever. This mental bank account
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of yours is constantly under attack from
the fact that you, as a human
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being are imperfect prone to error,
that you are surrounded by other human beings
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who are also imperfect and prone to
error. So there are going to be
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setbacks, mistakes, simple human imperfection. Those experiences, if you allow them,
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can sort of suck away your bank
account like a thief. So we
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have to protect them. So I
offer three ways of looking at those inevitable
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setbacks and episodes of imperfection so that
you don't get caught in the uh,
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oh here I go again, or
oh, my whole day is going down
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the drain, or maybe I'm not
good enough for this job or this experience.
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and those setbacks as temporary. Yes
they happened, Yeah they happened, but
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they only happen that one time,
or that two times, or those three
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times. They're temporary as opposed to
oh, they're going to keep happening over
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and over and over again. You
can put them in that time box.
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They're temporary. Second point, you
can treat them as limited in terms of
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where they occurred. Yeah it happened, but it happened there in that place.
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My poor drive happened on that whole
of that course, And the fact
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that that drive was poor has nothing
to do with my ability to drive the
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ball well on other holes, Nor
does it have anything to do with my
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ability to swing my short irons,
my long irons, my chips and my
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putts and do all that very well. The mistake is limited in where it
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happened. Third, and I think
for a lot of folks this may be
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the toughest but most important one of
all. Those mistakes are not representative of
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who you are, what you can
do, what kind of person you are.
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They are They don't tell the whole
truth. We have a weird tendency
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in our world to overidentify with our
mistakes and our setbacks, as opposed to
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saying, yeah, it happened,
but that wasn't really me. I have
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a different sense of myself. Mistake
doesn't tell the truth. I'm not going
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to identify with it. I could
even say, yeah, well that happened,
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but boy it's sort of a weird
fluke, and the truth about me
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is much different. Those are three
ways of protecting your confidence. Oh doctor's
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answer, that's just beautiful. So
so accessible too. Let's take our last
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break. I'm your host, doctor
Release Cortes. We've been on the era
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doctor need Zinser. He's the author
of The Confident Mind, a battle tested
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guide to unshakable performance. We've been
talking a bit about some of his techniques
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that he uses with some of the
all of you that he works with.
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After the break, we're going to
learn just a few more and figure out
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how you can actually use this to
distinguish yourself in the world. Stay with
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us, We'll be right back.
Doctor Release Cortez is a management consultant specializing
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in meaning and purpose and inspirational speaker
and author. She helps companies visioneer for
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greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose
inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate
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fulfillment, performance, and commitment with
in the workforce. To learn more or
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to invite Elise to speak to your
organization, please visit her at Elisecortes dot
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com. Let's talk about how to
get your employees working on purpose. This
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is working on purpose with doctor Elise
Cortes. To reach our program today or
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open a conversation with Alise, send
an email to a Leise Alse at elisecortes
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dot com. Now back to working
on purpose. Interesting with us and welcome
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back to working on purpose. One
of the bit of news that I have
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to share is a few months ago
that the anthology that I've been curating came
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to be released. It's a collection
of twenty five stories for women across the
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globe who share their intimate details of
finding their purpose. What they're doing now
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is serve from it. It's called
Passionately Striving and Why, an anthology of
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women who pursegem mightily to live their
purpose. And now I'm out scouting for
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men across the globe who want to
share how they're living from their purpose and
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want to show their stories. If
you know someone or you have one,
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please contact me at least at least
cortet dot com if you're just joining us.
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My guest is doctor Nate Senser.
He's the director of Performance Psychology program
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at the United States Military Academy at
West Point. He also has been the
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sports psychology mentor for numerous elite athletes, including two time Super Bowl MVP Eli
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Manning and the NHL's Philadelphia Flyers,
as well as many Olympians and NCAA champions.
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For this last bit, we're going
to talk a bit more about a
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few other techniques and tools that you
can use, and also talk about really
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how you can use us to distinguish
yourself. So we have to start there,
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doctor Senser. I have to read
a passage that you have in your
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book towards the end that I think
is so compelling, And now I really
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see how how you open the show
fits this beautifully. So here it goes.
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You say, the belief above all
else, play to win, and
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the other alterative beliefs discussed previously are
indeed different from what your socialization may have,
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which, as we said before,
maybe that confidence is arrogant and therefore
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to be avoided. But let's remember
that the purpose of socialization is to encourage
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conformity and the continued existence of the
prevailing social order. Its purpose is not
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to help you discover the full extent
of your talents and abilities. If you're
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a little hung up on thinking differently
from the crowd, the very thing that
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socialization exists to support, you're likely
to remain in that crowd. You'll be
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normal, But is that what you
really want? Thank you for that wonderful
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lead in I couldn't I could not
include that in the book. In my
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early training in sports psychology, literally
the very first course that I took with
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my mentor, doctor Barbara Tella at
the University of Virginia, he opened up
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and said, sports psychology is about
resisting socialization sport, you know, the
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idea of the psychology of being a
great performer really in identifying all the things
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that you might have been told about
how to be a good person, how
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to be a right person that may
be counterproductive to the expression of your talent,
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to the fulfillment of your potential,
to really finding and delivering on your
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purpose in life. Certainly, we
live in a social world and we observe
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social norms, but beyond doing so
just at a minimal level to ensure survival
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and courtesy. Then a lot of
what we've learned about performance, confidence,
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thinking, training actually goes contrary to
what really works in the real world and
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what great performers actually do. You
know, you've probably heard a coach,
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or maybe you were even told yourself
that the team that makes the fewest mistakes
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in the game wins. Okay,
yeah, we've all heard that, and
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on the surface, it makes a
lot of sense. Certainly, if you
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make a lot of mistakes, you're
likely to lose. But when you think
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about that's what that statement actually does. The team that makes the fewest mistakes
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is going to win. You're gonna
go out there, and let's face it,
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I don't care who you are.
You know, Serena Williams, Tom
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Brady, Bill Gates, You're gonna
have a few below average days, and
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even if you're Serena Williams, you're
gonna have a few below average games.
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So if your belief is that the
person who makes the fewest mistakes wins and
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then you have one of those inevitable
mistakes, you have just doomed yourself to
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a sense of failure. So how
about embracing the notion let's go all out
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to win. It's the team that
plays great between their inevitable at thissidisodes of
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mistakes and setbacks, that's the team
that's going to win. It's not the
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team that makes the fewest mistakes.
It's the team that plays great between the
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inevitable mistakes. It's changing some of
those beliefs that I think are really important
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to help our potential actually become expressed
in this world. Oh you know,
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that's just gorgeous. For me.
In fact, you sets up so beautifully
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because a lot of the work that
I do doctors insert with leaders and organizations
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is we have to unpack all those
beliefs that have informed their choices, their
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decisions, and how they think of
themselves in order to replace them with more
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ones that will actually allow them to
be able to live their best and serve
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from their purpose. So the way
that you set that up for that for
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us is just gorgeous, so so
so important, and I couldn't help but
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read that passage. We could go
on and on, but I refer to
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them as the seven deadly sins of
socialization. And then and there's some you
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know, seven empowering beliefs, you
know, instead of above all else,
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be careful, don't mess up.
It's no play to win, play to
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win, play to win, instead
of always be constantly searching for the next
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little tiny bit of information. How
about having faith in a couple of things
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that you do really really well,
instead of, you know, the idea
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that you have to put certain people
up on a pedestal. Well, how
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about understanding that every human is vulnerable, every human is fallible, and even
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the people that you might have to
compete against to seem bulletproof. Hey,
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they're really just like you. They
come from a big town like you or
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a small town like you. They
like the game, they like the action,
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and they like to win, and
so it's very important to keep them
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in their most human, most beata
pull most vulnerable perspective. I'll offer this
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somewhat offbeat advice to all your listeners. If you're the least bit intimidated by
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a competitor, by an opponent,
or a potential competitor, a potential opponent,
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go ahead and use your imagination in
an interesting way. What does that
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person look like in the very early
morning when they crawl out of bed and
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their eyes are all crusty, and
they sort of wander in the bathroom and
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pick up the toothbrush and start brushing
their teeth pee peering into the mirror and
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the toothpaste is running down their chin. I don't know anybody who looks really
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impressive that way. That's so true. What a great image. Thank you
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for that. All right, So, since we're going to give a couple
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more techniques and tools here before we
close here, so you talk about playing
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a confident game using the pre shot
routine. Let's hear more about that.
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Absolutely, the idea before you perform
is to find us andse of comfort,
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to find a sense of ease with
yourself. And the routine that I advise
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as sort of a template that everybody
can customize and work in their own level
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is consists of three things. You
got to bring up a little bit of
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your conviction. You've been storing up
a lot of these memories through your daily
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esp et cetera, et cetera.
You've been envisioning good things about yourself.
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So how about as you are stepping
into that room to take the final exam
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in your college course, or you're
stepping on to the court to play that
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tennis match, how about you just
taking a second and queuing up some of
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those powerful memories and having a phrase
in your back pocket that you've practiced,
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like, this is my time.
Here we go, Let's see how great
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I can be at this moment.
And then you take a couple of breaths,
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and then you put your eyes where
they need to be, on the
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ball, on the paper, on
your opponent. You allow yourself to become
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sort of fascinated by the most important
thing in the competitive performance arena. For
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the surgeon it's the anatomy that he
or she is ceiling right in front of
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him. For the tennis player,
it's the ball as it moves. For
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the wrestler, it's the opponent's body. For the speaker, it's the look
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in the audience, the way they
are connected to him or her. Queue
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up your confidence, breathe into your
body, attach your awareness to what matters.
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And that's a little process that anybody
can use and customize throughout a performance.
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Thank you for that. I always
like to be able to give our
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listeners something they can immediately put to
you, and that's one of the many
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things that you've shared. But then
there's also the after action review. Yes,
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this is something that a lot of
people miss out upon. Ladies and
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gentlemen. The game's not over when
the clock runs down or you know,
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the final bell rings. The test
is not over when you hand in the
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paper or close the program. You
know, for the online test that you've
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been taking. The performance only ends
once you've learned everything there is to learn
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from it. So looking at your
performance at the end of the day.
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For all of us daily work day
nine to five white collar athletes, at
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the end of the tennis match at
the end of the football game, you've
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got to take some time to look
back upon it and ask yourself a few
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questions. Where was I effective?
Where was I ineffective? How is my
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state of mind? What things threw
me off my game? How did I
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get back on my game? Those
are all the what's what actually happened?
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And you've got to be your own
best friend and your own harshest critic at
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this point in order to get out
what actually happened. That's the first part
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of the AAR. The second part
is to ask yourself the question, well,
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okay, so what does all that
mean. What are the lessons that
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I can take from my performance?
What does it tell me about my strengths
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and my weaknesses. I've got to
take those lessons. They can become very
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important. They can become new affirmation
statements for me. They can become new
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deposits into my mental bank account.
And then the third part is, Okay,
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now that I know what the lessons
are from what actually happened, what
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am I going to do with it? What am I going to train?
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What am I going to practice?
What am I going to get a little
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bit better in anticipation of my next
performance? Opportunity. So in this way
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we extract all the possible value from
each day as we go forward in life,
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from each performance as we go forward, and in so doing we get
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to find the things that can build
our certainty in a constant, steady upward
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trajectory. Fantastic way to get to
give us a tool here to finish on
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here, doctor Senser. So I
have just two more questions. We were
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almost out of time, But I've
been a meeting of work researcher for a
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good twenty plus years, and so
I'm always interested understanding. You opened it
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already in the show somewhat, but
now we've heard more about you. What
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are you? What do you find
meaningful in your work? What are you
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most proud of in the work that
you've gotten to do. I am most
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proud of the moments when a student, be it a West Point cadet,
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be it a professional athlete, be
it a fourteen year old kid who has
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an inkling about how great she'd like
to be in the game of golf,
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when they suddenly shift their understanding and
say, oh, that's pretty bad.
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That's good stuff, Doc. I
never thought about it that way. It's
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just seeing those little moments of illumination. That is where I get my meaning.
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My purpose is to create those moments
of illumination for the people I'm fortunate
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enough to work with. Gorgeous.
That sounds fantastic, all right, so
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we've gone through the whole show already. It's crazy aw fastic goes. You
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know that this show is listened to
and watched by people all over the world,
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and we're all about trying to create
environment where people actually want to come
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to work to their best. We
create inspiration leaders who bring them to their
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best, and we do business and
better in the world. What would you
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like to leave your listeners with.
I'd like your listeners to remember that they
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have a choice about how they are
going to think about themselves and their lives.
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Nothing is written in stone, nothing
is preordained. You have a choice,
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and it's your responsibility to yourself to
make a constructive, useful choice.
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And if you're part of a team, part of an organization, it's your
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responsibility to that team, to that
organization to make those kinds of choices.
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You have that capability of choosing built
into you, take advantage of that,
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use it. And I will finish
with the quote that I actually start the
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book with A famous philosopher once said
that the victorious warriors are the ones who
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win first and then go to battle. The losing warriors are those who go
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into battle and then hope to win. Ladies and gentlemen, what kind of
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warrior do you want to be?
Thank you so much for this time,
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doctor Cortetiz. It's been a pleasure. I'm really grateful that you crossed my
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path, Doctor's Ensor. I really
I loved your book. I devour my
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books cover to cover, and you
taught me so very much and I wanted
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to pass it on to listeners and
viewers across the world to help them be
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able to realize their best and also
live from their purpose. So thank you
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very much for being with me.
Thank you indeed, best wishes to all
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your listeners for a wonderful twenty twenty
two. Indeed, indeed, if you
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want to learn more about doctor Nate
Senser, his book or the work he
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does, just start by going to
natesincer dot com. Let me spell that
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for you. Nat e Zi n
s s e r dot com, natesinsert
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dot com. Last week, if
you missed the live show, you can
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always catch it recorded podcast. We
were on there, doctor Alisha Hare.
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She's the founder of Turnasaul and the
author of a beautiful collection of books called
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The Unfolding Path. We Live and
Lead in Our Times. Next week,
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we'll be on the air with Lori
Van talking about the real problem of burnout
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in the workplace and how many employees
in this period of the Great Resignation are
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looking for companies to work for who
will honor their well being. See you
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there. Remember that work is at
least or third of our lives, So
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let's work on purpose. We hope
you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure
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to tune in to Working on Purpose
featuring your host, doctor Alise Cortes,
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each week on the Voice America Empowerment
Channel. Together, we'll create a world
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where business operates conscientiously, leadership inspires
impassioned performance, and employees are fulfilled in
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work that provides the meaning and purpose
they crave. See you there, Let's
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work on Purpose.





















































