Circles: Women Creating Sanctuaries of Care

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

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People ache for meaning and purpose at
work, to contribute their talents passionately

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and know their lives really matter.
They crave being part of an organization that

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inspires them and helps them grow into
realizing their highest potential. Business can be

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such a force for good in the
world, elevating humanity. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want

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working on purpose. Now Here is
your host, Doctor Elise Cortez. Hi

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there, welcome back to the Working
on Purpose Program. Thus you're turning in

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again this week. I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez. Don't you lie

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from Dallas, Texas, which is
home based for me. If you don't

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know me yet, I'm a management
consultant specializing and meaning and purpose, organizational

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logal therapist, inspirational speaker, social
scientist, and author. You can learn

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more about me and how we can
work together at at last Cortez dot com

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workproud dot com. With us today, Who is Susan Lucci who is passionate

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about encouraging women to reconnect to their
essential nature and bravely turn up their soul

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shine to bring more of their authentic
selves into the world. She has a

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Purpose Guide and has developed the circle
model to bring women together through the ancient

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archetype to facilitate more soulful conversations and
create more engaged communities. She has a

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chapter in the book Purpose Rising,
the global movement of transformation and Meaning,

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which is how I originally came across
her and then ask her to come on

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the show. Today, we'll be
talking about the state of purpose in the

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world, learn more about the circle
work she does and explore the movement she

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sees emerging the culture of care.
She joined today from Chicago. Susan,

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Welcome to Working on Purpose. Helloly, So I'm happy to be here.

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It is so great. You know, it's so great when I read someone's

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work and then I reach out and
that kind of starts stalking you, right,

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So then I reached out to you
on LinkedIn and I found you in

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the Global Purpose Leaders group and you
really couldn't get away from me. So

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thank you for finally saying yes and
coming on. Thank you for stalking Why

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not. I've met so many amazing
people doing that and I haven't gotten arrested

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once yet, so it's great.
Yeah. Yeah, Well, I just

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love how you describe your journey to
purpose. We want to start there,

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since we're going to situate this first
part of the conversation around the purpose in

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the world, and I just want
to start because purpose is one of those

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kind of things that kind of we
get it reveals itself to us, is

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one way to see it. And
one of the things that you say in

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your work is you say, your
first interpretation of your purpose was as a

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lawyer, as advocating for other people. But there was something particular about that

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experience that really started to help you
resonate with your purpose. So let's start

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there, all right, Great,
Yeah, that that seemed to be what

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I was here to do. As
a little girl, I was in my

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dad's law firm, and as the
oldest child, was always gently prodded to

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speak up for others and stand up
bullies on playgrounds. So I've been doing

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that for decades now and really took
a lot of pleasure out of out of

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speaking up for people who could not
speak up for themselves and whether that was

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then negotiating for them in law firms
and also some of my co workers speaking

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out for them when they needed to
be represented in that kind of thing.

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So I love that word advocacy.
I still do that in lots of different

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ways today, but at the heart
of it is that word voice, you

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know, the Latin word vocal.
So about that and helping people to really

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activate their potential by finding their voice
is where it has evolved into. From

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that point, I want to echo
that price you just said right there is

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and it's so beautiful. Activate their
potential. Oh, talk about exercising agency

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in the world. That is so
beautiful. Yeah. The way I hold

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purpose is if you think about an
acorn becoming an oak tree, and it's

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all potential that that becoming that happens
between the seed and the first thing open

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and all of the moving through the
environment to become an oak tree. And

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each of us have that same intelligue, that same potential in us, and

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it is shaped a lot by our
environments. But there's also that acornness or

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that that at leastness, that studness
of each of us that I think is

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the fun revelatory process that you referenced. I low, yeah, that potential

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and it's within us and it's also
between us, right, so even more

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is activated between us in our conversation, even absolutely in this conversation and what

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we're gonna talking about a little bit
later with your circle's work, for sure.

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So now I want to drill down
a little bit deeper here, which

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I think is so interesting what you
did and some of the reading that you

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started with me, or some of
the writing that you share with me.

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I think it's interesting that you started
to reflect somewhere in your life. I'm

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not sure where this happened, but
you you go on to pick that your

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monetory teacher and mister Rogers, I
love that get your roles and helping you

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discern your purpose. So now I
want to this is great for our listeners

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and viewers who are many people listening
because they're trying to discover their purpose,

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right, that's why they're here.
So how have you come to understand your

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purpose to day and its expression going
back through those experiences and those people,

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Yeah, really, really through moments. Those are actually two more recent reveals

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to me in the last I would
say four or five years. And there

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was a day we will talk more
about circle, but sitting in a circle

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where I came out, and I
had a memory of being a little girl

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sitting on a taped on a rug
where the circle was taped and just looking

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left and right, and there were
children of all different colors rare in my

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in my then upbringing, but I
was there. I was two years old

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sitting on this circle with Miss Janine, who has since passed but remained in

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my life for many decades. And
she called me the Center Room baby.

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It was the Mona Story Center room
in Cincinnati that my mom and her twin

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sister found it, and she called
me the Center Room baby because I was

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the youngest that had ever gone.
I wasn't even two when I was going.

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But the culture we had there that
was so inclusive and so diverse and

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learning about other cultures. At one
point I thought we were in Peru.

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I mean, the way she could
just help us really embrace other cultures.

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And I grew up in a very
strict My mom was very strict and very

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she really met it, you know, anything that we that we took into

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our bodies. But also TV was
very limited, but mister Rogers Neighborhood was

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a show. And watching the film
that was made a couple of years ago

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really reminded me of that deep love
to be neighborly and how that even from

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a very young age, we would
shovel the snow on our neighbors driveways before

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we shoveled our own snowa It just
was part of my family culture growing up

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to be neighborly. And if I
bring that all the way forward to COVID,

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I would say connecting with new neighbors
was one of our survival mechanisms here.

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So I really treasure along with the
diversity that mister Rogers stood for and

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how he was talking to the mailman
and inviting people in and so many radical

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edgy moves for the time. So
that's that's something I could I could then

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learn and watch that movie and it
just broken broke open in me that memory

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of how deep my love for community
and inclusive community went. I can virtually

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guarantee you, Susan, that you
have just opened something in listeners and viewers

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who heard you say that, including
me, because I was also very attracted

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to mister Rogers, and now I
recognize it. It is because I align

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with his whole value and notion of
the goodness in the world and aspiring for

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goodness and being kind. And so
there's something listeners and viewers. What I

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encourage you to do from what you
to share it is consider what did you

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gravitate to when you were younger?
What did you watch? Why did you

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what was what was there for you? So that share was beautiful, Susan

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and Holly unanticipated. Thank you very
much. Well, So here we are

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in a world it's twenty twenty one
and you really can't go anywhere without hearing

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two words in one day, meaning
and purpose. And so there seems to

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be really an obsession with purpose these
days, and there's a lot of confusion

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as both you and I know about
what that actually means. There's overuse and

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under use of that word. But
it's it's an elusiveness to it as well.

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So I'd love your perspective as somebody
who is a purpose guide is how

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how what do you see about this? Is? Are we obsessed with purposes?

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What's going on with this? Well? I think we are bothered by

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a huge, huge expectation around purpose. I myself went through this too,

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where I thought that to be on
purpose, to know my purpose meant I

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had to change the entire world and
that it was all squarely placed on my

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shoulders, and if I wasn't doing
something about it that had impact and could

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be measured and valued, then I
was just not purposeful. And I have

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since heard that from a number of
clients. Is, but that's not purpose.

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But that's not big enough, that's
not impactful enough, that's not changing

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the world. And so I'm like, Wow, we really need to bring

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this down to its essential nature,
which is in your tagline, an ache

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for meeting. And to me,
the moments that I have felt most embodying

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my purpose have been when I was
needing that ache for meeting in the world

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and doing something with it and moving
it into the world, or being a

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presence that was drawing that in or
connecting with other people. So I think

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our minds, I've gotten a hold
of that, that word purpose, which

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is an ancient concept as far as
I can tell, Aristotle was teaching about

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purpose and it is essential to our
nature as human beings. And then somehow

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along the way it got taken off, probably through you know, consumer capitalism,

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that it had to be saving the
world. And so I think,

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I think covid. I think our
times now have really helped us land this

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to embody it that it we are
meaning makers. We are we are Homo

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sapiens. Those who know that we
know, and I think that is what

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gives us the juice of life is
when we make meaning. And the older

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I get, the more I'm reminded
that it's up to me to do that.

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You know. I've been through a
lot of education as you have too,

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and read a lot of books.
People can teach you things, but

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when you make meaning for yourself,
that, to me, is is the

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most alive. I feel me too. That's my jam, meaning and purpose.

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I love it. I've been doing
it for you know, and it's

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my ache. Right to your point, what one of the paths to purposes

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by really example, what's ails you
your whole life. What have you learned

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by being obsessed with something that has
bothered you? And I was bothering about

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the lack of meaning and purpose and
that's why I do what I do today.

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So yeah, it's it's it's it's
amazing. And that brings us to

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where we've been for the last fifteen
sixteen months, this whole COVID thing.

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And one of the things that you
and I talked about in our exchanges is

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how COVID and the quarantine has created
some perfect conditions for a purpose journey.

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I want to hear more about your
perspective on that. I have my own,

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but let's hear yours. Yeah.
Well, it is interesting that in

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some zoom calls, of the many
zoom calls, I was on to look

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at the rectangle that we're in as
our cocoon, right as this alchemical cauldron,

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or are activating our purpose. But
when I when I guide someone through

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a purpose journey or accompany them on
their journey, it's it's months long the

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way that I was taught, and
about two thirds of the way through,

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we actually create the conditions where they
can separate, they can leave home,

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get out of the nary, the
daily be immersed in nature as much as

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they are comfortable and really slow down
to the speed of the soul. And

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so if I look at even those
three parts, I mean that's what COVID

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did. I wasn't many weeks into
it when I was like, oh my

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gosh, here we are. We
are we are completely separated from each other,

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from what we call normal, you
know, this daily way of living

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we are. The quiet around here, even in Chicago, was just so

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beautiful, the stillness. I noticed
people just getting outside no matter what.

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We had a really terrific winner in
Chicago, three feet of snow, but

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we were all getting out. There
was something really interesting about us being in

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nature and then having that time to
reflect. I noticed a lot more conversations

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about what matters. Mokes. We
started talking about what's essential. Essential workers

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have always been on our planet in
our cultures, right, nurses and teachers.

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Suddenly it's like, what's essential.
We're cheering for them, We're tying

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white ribbons around what's essential the big
question on a purpose journey. So I

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was like, here we are right
in the middle of a purpose crisis slash

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opportunity and sharing that moment together.
I don't think we've yet unpacked. Exactly

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what has been happening now it's continuing
to unferral. I want to go back

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quickly because you say so many great
poetic things. I love the way that

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you use language, and I really
am getting a send Susan that I think

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it comes from something really deep,
not just in your person, but that

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you're connected to across the world and
in our collective past. That's kind of

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what I'm getting from you. It's
really beautiful. It's really beautiful. It's

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kind of you know, like almost
like gob smacking meat, which is such

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a great thing. But one of
the things that you just said is that

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it allowed us to slow down to
the speed of the soul that's so eminently

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quotable. Slow down to the speed
of this soul. So just my perspective

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on it is thinking about it from
the vantage point of how we're creating workplaces

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where we actually want to come to
work and we're going to actually thrive and

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do business and betters the world.
One of the things that I think is

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really interesting why we were all packed
and so our whole routine was stopped,

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which was necessary an important intervention,
if you will. But then now here

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we are we've now changed and got
some new perspective and what life and work

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is. And so now what I
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I've stumbled across this notion of the
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this for some of my clients,
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who you read about this, it's
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percent of the North American workforce plans
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That's due to pent up demand for
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just a need for something different,
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lots of things, needing a change
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people are changing locations where they live. There's all this churn that's going on

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here. So what's your perspective on
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and the change and where people are
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shift, to the big quit it
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this as well. Where somebody knock
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actually in the process of selling our
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really immersed in this and curious about
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think what's happening is we're asking these
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is not working for me. I've
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Is this is no longer working,
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I think people feel empowered maybe from
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winter ever, and now that they're
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connection with our souls, because of
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resolution, more intention We have seen
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I know you lost your folks right
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COVID six hundred thousand deaths just in
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death was right here. We got
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and I think that will awaken something
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Here's the kind of community I want, Here's the kind of people I

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want to work with. Here's the
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and so I'm hopeful that that employers
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some wage adjustments for starts, but
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really going to shift because of this
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and we're just in the middle of
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don't like adaptation and change, I
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know, I have a lot more
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I hope not. There was a
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so beautifully beautiful is that? I
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opportunity and it's very scary for people
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right, and the great resignation also
a neated Just how unnatural the way we

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have been working really is. That's
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idea, is it illuminated what really
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working really is? The crazy commutes, sitting in a cubicle, you know,

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long meetings, what are we doing
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we can unpack on that. But
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and helping companies through this crisis is
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in the last like probably four months
now. Oh, that's beautiful. I'm

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so grateful to hear you're in their
ear. Yeah, I'm I just it's

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just so I'm having more fun than
I was supposed to have, which we

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talked about it before we got on
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Let's grab our first break. You
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listening. You know, I think
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place, and so that that is
such an important human quality that I didn't

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experience a lot of in the law
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lot in the political arenas, and
I think that's a great opportunity right now.

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Let's listen, Let's really listen to
each other. That's beautiful. Susan,

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what a great way to take us
into our first break. I'm Elise

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Cortez, your host when when they
were was Susan Lucci. She is a

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soulful facilitator, circle convener, and
purpose guide. We've been talking a bit

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about purpose in the world. After
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her circle work that she does.
Stay with us, We'll be right back.

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Doctor Release Cortez is a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational

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speaker and author. She helps companies
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop

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purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures
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about how to get your employees working
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Now back to working on purpose.
Thanks for staying with us, and

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welcome back to working on purpose.
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if you're just joining the program.
My guest today is Susan Lucci, who

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as a chapter in the book called
Purpose Rising, a global movement of transformation

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and meaning. It is calling in
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LEAs Cortez. So, Susan,
this next part here, I want to

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talk about your the work that you
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to situate really how you talk about
how it came about, which I think

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is really interesting and I am that
any listeners are also going to resonate with

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this. But you say that after
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you longed for more meaningful connections and
conversations and heard the ache of so

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many other successful women to discover what
they were here to do. So tell

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us more about how your circle work
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and that listening. All right,
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it was because I finally started sleeping
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four years and I started reading again, and actually the book that Da Vinci

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code fell off the shelf and woke
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is part of this journey. And
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this is two thousand and five.
I had already been laid off once as

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a lawyer. My husband was laid
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investment banker. So here we were
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looking like I had to go back
to the law firm, and my soul

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was just not having that. Just
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putting myself out in the world.
The kids are getting in school, I'm

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starting to read again, and I
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this is how I will be able
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than about the diapers and you know, all the things of racing children.

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just even out and bumping into strangers
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were stirring in my soul. And
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an up another book. This time
I danced by Tama Keeves that came to

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me and I ended up inviting her
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women come one night and she did
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call. And it turns out this
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in my journals for quite a while, and a group of the women from

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that night wrote to me and said, what are we going to do next?

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was great because I was taking all
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feminine stuff at the time, and
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playing with this model, like let's
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a time and have a conversation about
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incredible, like transformational almost from the
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group started like picking up dreams they
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to school, starting businesses. It
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I was like, I wonder what
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more that actually circle is a model
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weaving in so much learning and personal
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of women sitting together. And you
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raised my kids. I had women
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they were waking up to what's next. And it turns out that us slowing

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and me holding this this safe and
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questions, and then us mirroring each
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and sharing it with each other,
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I just heard you say this and
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us, in those initial circles and
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situations where we've harmed each other right
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didn't support each other because we felt
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was this way of like what if
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support each other and share, get
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concerns and brainstorm together what we're doing, and it started becoming this like activation

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place, and before you knew what, I was doing like five of these

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a week with women. And then
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old girls and practicing what I learned
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coming through me as an architect,
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just that intention, you know,
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was magical. So I'm so grateful
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maybe the listeners are thinking too.
Sometimes life just hands you this perfect storm.

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of me that ached for something more
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what I'm present to you, sirs, And one of the things that

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I can help doing, and I'm
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is when I listened to you and
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me, I am very present that
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I believe comes through your ability.
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see in the world that needs doing
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really feel like you are connected to
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of us aren't, and it is
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that is what you're bringing to the
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you know, generations millennia. That's
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just a mouthpiece, because there's much
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really get that you're standing on you
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that came before you. So I
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benefit of that. And so when
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that feel like? I can't even
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say that you've you've facilitated more than
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these ranges that getting the benefit of
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Susan, what's that like? It
really feels it's so beautiful. So every

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time you can really have a conversation
like this, like you just illuminated another

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aspect that I hadn't really articulated or
put together before. So thank you for

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that. So fun, especially when
purpose peaks get together. What it feels

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like in the middle of being in
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It just feels like opening to something
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my website is too big for words, because even though I love words like

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you do, I love reading them, writing them, editing them. Circle

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experience is just too big for words. But I do really enjoy the preparation

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and bringing in other voices and weaving
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that forgetting is helpful in our remembering. And I think part of a purpose

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journey is constantly remembering who we are, and I think we need each other

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to do that, and so I
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like this ancient wisdom, what room
he's talking about. It's just incredible,

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Like wow, this is so present
today in this moment, and I think

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that's part of that remembering that there's
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part of. And so that often
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piece that I'll see them as their
shoulders lower, is they look around,

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they say, I'm not alone,
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that we all crave, that that
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it's it's more than just these women
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to all these eons of humanity that
have been questing for purpose and meaning,

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that have been questing to make a
difference and seekers, you know, of

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which I am another one. And
then just holding holding open space for that,

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Yeah, I'm guilty. Yes,
I'm right there with you. And

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another word that I'm thinking of it
for you as conduit. You're you're you're

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a spokesperson, and I think that
maybe that's the reflection of your being an

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attorney and a lawyer. But then
I think of you as being a conduit

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to all this this this you know, millennia of wisdom and tradition as well.

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it very much feels like that in
my body, really good. I have

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been called a force of nature,
so it does feel like a conduit for

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and even when I teach people my
circle model, I will never trademarket or

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copyright it because it comes through me. And early on I committed I have

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it in my journal that it will
be organic. Whatever this is, it

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will be an organic and continue to
evolve. And I'm just here to shape

409
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and shepherd and hold that however it
wants to. And so to me,

410
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:27.640
it's still it's still also advocacy.
It's just I'm not I'm holding space for

411
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others to really voice. And also
this this shared consciousness, this what I

412
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call the wee space is what I
feel like I'm really a conduit too,

413
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.079
and that's where we are wiser,
right, where where all the potential potency

414
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lies. And also I think like
you're saying, our ancient roots are history

415
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that we're connected to here, well, you're speaking out of transformation, right,

416
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.200
So there is it's an elevational process, but in so doing it has

417
00:28:53.240 --> 00:29:00.000
to there's transformation involved in that bit
about what you're facilitating, transformation, connection,

418
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wisdom, consciousness. I mean,
it's there's so much happening and the

419
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.279
other thing that you just said,
that's so beautiful and listeners and viewers,

420
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.400
this is so important that she you
said, whatever this is, and so

421
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.480
right, A lot of times what
is bubbling up from within us, which

422
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.720
is uniquely us. This is our
unique contribution to the world, and it

423
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.519
is, in my view many ways, your purpose. That is something that

424
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only we can do. And it's
kind of like just being obedient to that

425
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.960
which is coming out of us and
letting and being of service through it.

426
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.720
Absolutely, and when I guide people, it's it's comes so naturally to us

427
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.519
that often we don't credit it,
we don't value it. Look around,

428
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:41.960
right, It's like, Oh,
this is what everybody's coming to me for.

429
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.519
And so I think that's a big
part of the journey. I know

430
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:45.839
that's a big part of the journey, is it. I'll often have people

431
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.480
say, you mean, I get
to just be me and that's a huge

432
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.720
insight and it always happens at a
certain moment in the journey, and I

433
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.200
love it. I'm like, yes, and what does it feel like?

434
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.680
What is that like? Now we
get to know that? And I agree

435
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.079
with you that it's it's deeply encoded
in our DNA that we now know carries

436
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:11.359
both the trauma and also the genius
you know of our lineages. So you've

437
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.039
been talking about facilitating these these groups
even in your home and in the afternoon

438
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.759
and such. But you've also done
this on a bigger, grander level for

439
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.759
for many organizations, just one I
want to talk about, but this whole

440
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.519
idea of bringing humans together, and
I know that you've done this for large

441
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.359
forms like One Earth Film Festival,
which must have been amazing. So how

442
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.759
do you convene a group and facilitate
something like that at a film festival?

443
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.519
Oh gosh, it's so it just
changes the game. And this film fest

444
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:44.440
we just completed our tenth year and
we're we're virtual, and it's it's way

445
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:49.160
more even than the sustainability. I
should actually connect you with that leader to

446
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.559
have on here, that thought leader. She's amazing. Love too. But

447
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:57.480
what what we what we've learned is
that it's one thing in that case to

448
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.720
watch a film and feel like,
oh good, I see something. Here's

449
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.839
how important soil is. But if
we can then turn to each other,

450
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.240
which is that model is really turning
to each other and beginning to unpack it

451
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.359
what resonated? Starting with our senses, what did I see? What did

452
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.480
I hear? What did I feel? What's touched me? And then begin

453
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.559
to move we move them along the
arc of activation and would end in our

454
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.519
model. If you imagine a room
filled with hundreds of people and then they

455
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.279
can't get out of the room until
they meet with all of our strategic partners

456
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.880
who are going to help them then
find the exact way to activate this awareness

457
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:36.599
that they've just had, this connection
they've made to the planet, other people,

458
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:41.000
and then to move into activation.
So that conversation piece is really at

459
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.599
the heart of it. And mostly
we watch movies and just leave the theater,

460
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.759
right, and this model is about
being really being together, and sometimes

461
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.599
we have the filmmakers and the directors. You really get to learn what's involved

462
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.480
in this so that you can care
to really open up that part of I

463
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.839
think that makes us human and makes
us actually want to do something we can't

464
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:06.519
not right to tap into that field. So holding those spaces is really fun

465
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:10.799
because there's so many people there and
you know there's a microphone. But I'm

466
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.119
just again playing with the energy of
that room. And we've seen those the

467
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.400
groups swell over the years that I
have facilitated that, and so then a

468
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.279
certain kind of energy build in the
room, right, this enthusiasm and you're

469
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:27.720
moved. Actually you can feel that
move part of movement right that we are

470
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.880
actually going to move people to take
action, to care more, to do

471
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:37.200
whatever part resonates with them. I
think that would be amazing. You know.

472
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.599
It's one thing to go after watching
a movie and go to a coffee

473
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.319
spot and have a cappuccino and talk
through what you get from the movie or

474
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.480
have a glass of wine afterwards,
but to convene a group and have it

475
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:50.640
facilitated, that would be really yummy. So I'm in for the next one.

476
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.640
Yes, we have an amazing team
of facilitators and every year we still

477
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.920
revisit the training. You know,
is this the essential model? Is this?

478
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.799
Because it's we're so deliberate about it, and there's a lot of history

479
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:07.160
even to that model that we use. So I've been so fortunate to do

480
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.839
that in an activist kind of way
that people can really feel good because that

481
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.359
topic like the environment right or climate
crisis, can be so heavy and it

482
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.160
can be so overwhelming that that you
don't know what to do. So we're

483
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.200
flipping that right and empowering people.
And so some people like to write and

484
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:27.240
do the advocacy, some people like
to march, but there's also all all

485
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.799
kinds of other things that you can
do and so let's do it together.

486
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.680
Then you feel you realize like my
little action is going to be part of

487
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:39.119
these bigger actions, and we emphasize
that quite a bit too. Also powerful,

488
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.240
right, yeah, so powerful to
connect to something like that, that

489
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.799
is great. So glad to have
you and share it with my listeners and

490
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.559
viewers. I'm a last court has
your host. We are on the air

491
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.279
of Susan Lucci, who is a
sulfur facilitator, circle convener and purpose guide.

492
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.240
We've been talking a bit about the
work she does with circles. After

493
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.920
the break, we're going to talk
about the movement she sees emerging in the

494
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.039
world. Stay with us, We'll
be right back. Doctor Release Cortez is

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00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:07.039
a management consultant specializing in meaning and
purpose and inspirational speaker and author. She

496
00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:15.039
helps companies visioneer for greater purpose among
stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning

497
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:21.400
infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within the workforce. To

498
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.679
learn more or to invite a lease
to speak to your organization, please visit

499
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.920
her at Elise Cortez dot com.
Let's talk about how to get your employees

500
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:40.679
working on purpose. This is working
on Purpose with Doctor Release Cortez. To

501
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:45.039
reach our program today or open a
conversation with Elise, send an email to

502
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:52.599
Elise ali se at Elise Cortez dot
com. Now back to working on Purpose.

503
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:00.360
Thanks for staying with us. Well, come back to working on Purpose.

504
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.119
I mentioned in the first break about
the Grab Your gusta Wellbeing webcast learning

505
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.199
series. The content of that program
is adapted from part one of my recently

506
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:12.519
published book called Purpose Ignited, How
Inspiring Leaders Ignite passion and Elevate Cause,

507
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.639
which is really all about awakening leaders
to their passion and their purpose and helping

508
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.480
to transform them into inspirational leaders who
create a workplace where people actually want to

509
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.760
come and will thrive. If you're
just joining us, my guest today is

510
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.880
Susan Mucci, who, among other
things, is the co founder and circle

511
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.039
tender of Feel Real, a benefit
corporation devoted to co creating brave spaces for

512
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:35.599
people to engage in real time,
face to face, meaningful conversations Online's calling

513
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.760
in today from Chicago. I'm your
host, Doctor Elie's Cortez. Okay,

514
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:43.840
so for this next part of the
conversation, let's just really dive into this.

515
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.039
This is where I really recognize,
Susan, that you really are up

516
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:50.599
to something in the world. And
I want to be able to read a

517
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.719
small passage from what you sent to
me about what you're shaping into a book,

518
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.559
because I want the readers to understand
and get present to the way you

519
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.360
use language. All right, So
I'm going to read this. So this

520
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.280
is from an introduction that you're working
on for your book. It's to me,

521
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:07.159
it's just titillating, she says.
Read along with me to discover for

522
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.880
yourself the new consciousness, leaving her
way through communities of women connecting, caring

523
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.639
for, and uplifting each other.
Wander along with us as I share stories

524
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:20.800
evidencing the emerging culture of community minded
activists and artists creating the change we desperately

525
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.519
need. A feminine soul is rising
up, and she is marching and running

526
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:30.039
for office and changing policy and creating
new communities and impacting culture as she reclaims

527
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.360
her sovereignty a new way of being
human is bravely and boldly revealing herself in

528
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.800
the heart of our country. I'm
in, Susan, this book coming out.

529
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.719
When's it coming out? You're part
of it. You are part of

530
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:45.679
this movement that I see for sure. You know, when I was writing

531
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.920
that part of the book, I
was also rereading Rachel Carson's Silent Spraying,

532
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.760
which her wake up call came from
almost a dystopian although it's not that unrealistic,

533
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.000
but it was a very here's what's
going to happen we keep using toxic

534
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.239
chemicals, and so I kept thinking, what if? What if? What's

535
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:09.079
missing is us seeing a possible future
that we that we already are becoming.

536
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:14.639
And so that's that's what came to
me to write that. And as I

537
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.280
was writing it, I also have
know women that are doing all of those

538
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:24.199
things, right, So I think
what I'm fascinated by is there is a

539
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:29.920
movement, There is an uprising of
women around the planet, and it just

540
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.199
hasn't been named or noticed in its
entirety. So what if we make that

541
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.679
visible? This this culture of care
that is being created and co created all

542
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.239
over the planet. And I saw
a lot of that during COVID. How

543
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.320
many people are holding circles, For
example, I met a lot of facilitators

544
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.119
and I was just blown away,
Like here, I thought I was holding

545
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.400
up my piece of this guy doing
circles and there's there's people around the globe

546
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:58.679
doing circles. So I and the
other piece about this culture of care that

547
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.519
I feel like I'm seeing just like
Paul Hawkins saw this blessed unrest with with

548
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:08.159
nonprofits forming a movement. And if
I bring it back our conversation from the

549
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.000
first part about purpose, like really
what is purpose? And a lot of

550
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.360
what's written about purpose is about desire
and passion and like following what you love

551
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:20.000
and following your bliss, you know, Joseph Campbell's piece. And what I

552
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:24.079
have learned is that, especially with
women, often we are most on purpose

553
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:29.719
when we're following in our heartbreak,
when it's actually and I'm not talking about

554
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.599
their our thirteen year old first boyfriend
that we broke up with. I'm talking

555
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.960
about our deep heartbreak that we can't
not do something about that need in the

556
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:43.599
world. So when I saw women
just like, oh gosh, do I

557
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.000
have anything else to give? You
know, and I could just feel into

558
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.000
the potentials, like all right,
we got to get up to this,

559
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.119
you know, We've got to support
this and nurture this so that we can

560
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.559
do that. And so that's that's
what a lot of my book is about.

561
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:59.079
And the challenges. I know as
a little girl, I was told

562
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.719
don't wear your on your sleep,
it's dangerous. And in fact, at

563
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:07.239
one point I was graduated working for
a legator. I'm a bad case,

564
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.840
and oh my god, did they
break my heart. And I came home

565
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:14.760
because I love babies, and I
came home at night and it got to

566
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.079
the point I thought, this is
too I'm too emotional. I cannot do

567
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.599
this work. So I got into
the more corporate type work as well.

568
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:28.440
Decades later, I have since come
to really appreciate and respect that our wearing

569
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.679
our heart on our sleep is exactly
what's needed, and it's our superpower to

570
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:37.519
really take our vulnerability, our compassion, all of these beautiful gifts of our

571
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.559
heart that move us in the world, that make us do that work that

572
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.159
we can't not do. And so
I'm really I've seen that. And that's

573
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.800
what my book is about, is
that the culture of care comes through,

574
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:52.239
especially this feminine energy, women waking
up to their heartbreak and just doing something

575
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.480
about it, caring for each other, running for office. It's an incredible

576
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.480
the numbers of women I stopped after
I interviewed dozens of them. I thought,

577
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.400
oh my gosh, I am I
going to capture all of these There're

578
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.519
so many, so I can't wait. This is so this is so great,

579
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:12.440
Susan. I just it's so interesting
and intriguing and compelling to listen to.

580
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.079
It's not just listening to, it's
being with you, as you say,

581
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.119
your your energy that's conveyed so much, and you you're a passion,

582
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.679
your conviction. It's it's this is
fascinating. I'm really don't want to let

583
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.360
you go from my listeners and viewers, by the way, so we'll be

584
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:28.400
on for maybe a few more hours. You just you know, get dinner

585
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.119
ordered and we'll call it good.
But one of the things that you said,

586
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:35.239
just in you're as you're starting to
articulate some of these new thoughts here

587
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.840
as you do talk about this new
kind of presence and power that's rising up

588
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:42.760
on the planet, and and you
say it's uniquely and fiercely feminine, and

589
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:46.000
you and we and you talk specifically
about how it's embodied and our team climate

590
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:50.760
activists credit Boomberg. I'm not sure
how to say her last name, but

591
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.159
she brings so much insight and courage
and in her truth telling that's inspiring massive

592
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:58.440
acts of protest and people coming along
with her. And I think that's such

593
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.840
a great example of what you're talking
about. Yeah right, and so wonderfully

594
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.800
surprising. I think for most of
us to be how old is she?

595
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:12.360
What is she right? But in
her ferocity, how she can just right,

596
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.519
and we have seen it moves people
right, and so I think there's

597
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:22.519
juice there. I often will say
that we have not yet on this planet

598
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:28.840
experienced Mama Bear's roar. A whole
group of women coming together, and we

599
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.440
care about our planet, we care
about our children, We care, and

600
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:36.199
just like that, really taking that
energy that fierce Mama Bear roar, And

601
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.599
even though she's not a mother,
I just think Gretta, Gretta embodies that

602
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:44.280
right. She speaks from that place
and calls us into it, because it's

603
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.840
very much then a week place.
It's not the hero's journey model of I

604
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.280
am Greta and I am running this
right. She's very clear with us she'd

605
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.280
rather be going to school and doing
what kids do right, But because nobody

606
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:58.599
else is up to this, she
has to. And so I see that

607
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:04.480
in many different ways and shapes.
And I think Shannon Watts, who started

608
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.519
the Mom's Demand since around the gun
laws and stuff like that. She talks

609
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:13.280
about this who I met with her
after an event here in Chicago, and

610
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.119
I was talking to her about that, like, what is this power of

611
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women coming together because and it comes
from our hearts, what we care abround,

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what we can no longer stand to
let happen in our communities. So

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this is this is so powerful.
And I've been having so many really amazing

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conversations around, if you will,
the spigot of the dial or around the

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mic about these things. And so
this is really important that we talked about

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this next point and this whole point
of this new balancing energy that you're talking

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about that's rising up all over the
planet. It's in and you say it's

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in response to toxic masculinity, oppressive
patriarchy, and and you're really talking about

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bringing more of a yen to an
excessive yang. And this sacred feminine archetype

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can be embodied in both men and
women, of course. And what this

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is really important listeners and viewers.
This is the point that I want to

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make here. This energy is not
against men. In fact, this is

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this uprising is not against anything at
all. You're taking a stand for life

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and it's the harmony that uplifts others. And it's really important that we talk

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about this because I think sometimes when
we either talk about what's happening for men

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or what's happening for women, the
other side starts to feel picked on or

627
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what about us? And you're not
saying that, You're you're talking about something

628
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what I would consider to be much
more pure here. Yeah, it's absolutely

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what are we for? What do
we care about? And uplifting that.

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A lot of us, a lot
of the women in circles, a lot

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of the women I purpose guide have
made it in the massculine world, right

632
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we have been lawyers and doctors and
survived in the corporate world and now and

633
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there's something else. And I do
see this. I think there's plenty of

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books to be written about men and
the sacred masculine and that coming in and

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then the balance of the two,
for sure. But what I have been

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seeing here is uniquely feminine, you
know, in women's bodies coming into their

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community, what they care about.
But it's it's very much the pro you

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know, the what do we stand
forward and moving in that direction. And

639
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it's also not not like this driven
achievement type way it's it's it's a whole

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different effects. Sometimes we're just stepping
back. Sometimes it's about the presence.

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Mostly it's about uplifting and centering other
people, other people whose voices have not

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been heard, other people who don't
have access to resources or systems that we're

643
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that we're really shepherding and working towards. So it's very much communal, you

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know, and about groups. It's
very collaborative working together. It's very co

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creative. Even though an idea might
come through something I say or you say,

646
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it's about now, what do we
do together? Who needs to be

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part of this to create the kind
of world we want to live in.

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So I think we've learned the limitations
of the anti movements right, even energetically,

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they just do something very different.
If I talk to you, and

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you and I could have a whole
conversation about what I am against I do

651
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not, but but that will not
energize. You'll notice a very different energy

652
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in me. So I think these
are the kind of conversations that I like

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to hold and have, Like what
do you stand for? What do you

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want your life to stand for?
When it's over? You know? What?

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What did what were you for what
did you learn during COVID that you

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can bring out of that now and
give to the world because it's needed right

657
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now. You and I could complete
your other sentences, Susan, I just

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give a presentation today were of saying
something almost exactly like what you've been saying.

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And by the way, I did
actually get moved to tears at once

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at one point because I was reflecting
on something that inspired me. And so

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when we get inspired, sometimes we
get moved to tears and to your point

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where your emotions on your sleep and
so I like being in that world.

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That's the world I want to live
in. So to that point, I

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wanted to ask you about what is
your vision of the world as embodied in

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this movement toward a culture of care? What does that look like? Well,

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a little bit like what you read
earlier at the beginning of my book.

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And then I go what I want
to do is to go on in

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if this is a book or I
don't know what it's going, how it's

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going to come out into the world, but that it is stories of people

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acting in the world every day from
embodying their purpose to make it so that

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people can start looking around and going, oh, yes, my neighbor does

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that, Oh my husband does that. That they can see it and then

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we inspire each other. Something I
have really witnessed is that we can't become

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ourselves by ourselves. Actually a lot
of my own self awareness and element journey

675
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and I got to the quint where
I was like, you can no longer

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sit on this cushion, girl,
you have got to get into the world.

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That's what I missed most about COVID
is bumping up against the world.

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That's where I learned the most about
my purpose web opportunities to give right.

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So we when we humans can really
embrace that that all of this othering is

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holding us back from the truth,
which is belonging and becoming beloved community,

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and that that means all of us
that the circle has to We can go

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right back to Miss Janine on that
circle in Monastory or mister Rogers, it's

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until we are all part of this
and as equals in a circle model,

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right, we are equals. Even
if I'm facilitating, I am right here

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with you. I'm going to be
vulnerable with you. I don't hold any

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access to anything greater than you.
And so it's happening I mean in our

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families, in our communities, we
are we are being I think this better

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version of ourselves, which is that
we move from what we care about.

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We've also learned so much about our
emotional intelligence and heart math. I love

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the Heart Math Institute. What they're
discovering is, Yeah, our brains are

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fabulous about our hearts. Wow,
five thousand times more that energy. So

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this is just an unto potential and
it's best activated when we come together,

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when we come together around something we
care about, such as like the kind

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of world we want to live in, and there are conditions like COVID that

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are going to pressure us into that. I think the climate. You know,

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we see that we just set a
tornado in Chicago two days ago.

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We see this climate and there are
we're talking like what are we going to

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do? How are we going to
come together to really survive this right and

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to nurture each other and live the
lives that we want to live together.

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Oh my gosh, Susan, that
is a great way to finish the show.

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We are out of time, and
you have been spectacular. I'm certain

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that our listeners and viewers don't want
to give you up. So you've got

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to find You've got to find her
and connect with her. So Susan,

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thank you for sharing your heart,
mind, and soul with us today.

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Thank you Alas, it's been a
pleasure. Listeners and viewers who want to

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learn more about Susan Lucci and the
work she is doing as a circle tender

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and purpose guide start by visiting her
website at Pursue Your Purpose dot coo.

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00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:40.000
Again, let's Pursue your Purpose dot
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if you missed the live show,
you can always catch it recorded podcast.

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We were on the air with Bob
Graham and u Hanya Duran of Noma State

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Direct, talking about how this nonprofit
came to be as an expression of Bob's

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to himself to go fifty fifty at
fifty, meaning spend fifty percent of his

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life toward work and making money and
the other fifty percent towards service. By

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the time he was fifty and I'm
now on that board that is well,

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so thirty five years later, his
work lives on in this dynamic organization and

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that is dedicated to empowering guatemal and
business owners and entrepreneurs, women specifically with

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business education and microloans to transform them
from poverty to at least middle class.

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Amazing group. Next week, we'll
be on the air with Charles Antis talking

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about his refusal to stray from being
a cheerleader for good while also stewarding a

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very successful working business. See you
there. Remember that work is at least

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a third of a life, So
let's work on purpose. We hope you've

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enjoyed this week's program. Be sure
to tune into Working on Purpose featuring your

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00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:53.320
host, doctor Elise Cortez, each
week on the Voice America Empowerment Channel.

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Together, we'll create a world where
business operates conscientiously, leaders hip inspires impassioned

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performance, and employees are fulfilled in
work that provides the meaning and purpose they

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crave. See you there, Let's
work on Purpose.