Change a Life in a Single Conversation

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
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we provide guidance and inspiration from those
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personal connection to their work life.
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glad we're connected and thanks for listening. Now onto this week's program with us

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today is Justin McCorkle. He is
the actor of Business Development for Tourist Cyber.

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Previously, he worked in the ministry, where he spent twelve years as

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a preacher, guiding church growth and
delivering church leadership seminars around the United States

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and in Central America. He's also
worked in the political arena as a speechwriter,

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campaign coordinator, and state delegate for
various officials and candidates in the state

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and national levels. He joins It
to day from Dallas, justin Welcome to

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Working on Purpose. Thank you very
much. It's really an honor to be

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here with you. Elise Well,
thank you, and I want to share

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with our listeners how we found each
other. It's always nice to know how

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people come into my sphere. You
were minding your own business and you were

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in the recipient of a speech I
gave to a group that you're a part

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of here in Dallas, and you
heard my message and we connected. It

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was around meaning, passion, inspiration, purpose, and you, of course

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just got it. And that is
where we developed a really a friendship here

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out of this, and I knew
that we could create a powerful conversation around

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the importance of having conversations that really
make a difference in people's lives. And

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so that's the focus of today's conversation. Listeners, and you get you get

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a special little insight into this man's
world, and he's really accumulated quite a

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lot of experience over his few years
on the planet, So you're ready,

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absolutely, Okay. So this idea
of what I wanted to talk with you

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about, Justin, came from reading
your beautiful blog and I found one of

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your conversations about the possibility of changing
someone's life, of really making a profound

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difference in just one conversation. So
that's what I want to really explore deeply

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in this conversation because, as you
know, Justin, so much of what

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I'm up to is to help people
really really live that rich, meaningful life,

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and having powerful conversations that can alter
the course of a person's life is

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pretty big. Talk about impact.
Absolutely, yeah, it's not to be

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taken lightly. The ability that we
have with our words to affect someone in

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a deep and meaningful way. And
I think sometimes in our mind we view

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people would come into contact act with
as well, they're just passers through,

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right They We're only going to be
there for just a little while. So

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if I just have an opportunity to
sit down with this person and speak to

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them for a few minutes. Generally, conversations are kept shallow. We don't

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really open up to one another,
we don't connect, so they just go

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on about their day. We do
the same. We walk away and say,

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hey, that was a nice person, and they say the same thing

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about us. But at the end
there was no real impact. I'm not

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saying that every conversation that we have
is going to be this tremendous life changing

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event for someone, but I think
we have to recognize the possibility that every

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conversation we go into can have that
profound of an effect. YEA indeed,

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And certainly I hope and when I
have been in the recipient of people who

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reach out to me after I've been
out speaking it and saying, oh my

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gosh, I something awakened in me
when you came out to speak. And

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of course that's what I want.
I want people to be awakened when I

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speak. But it isn't just the
plan to conversations that can make a big

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difference. I think we can all
look at our own lives and conjure something

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where one conversation like totally made a
difference in our lives. And I thought

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you and I could each start by
sharing one of those for each of us

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so that our listeners can get present
to maybe something for their own life.

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And so I'll go first. I
will. I've shared this before justin other

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other listeners have heard this before,
but just in case they haven't. And

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one conversation that made an enormous difference
in my life happened when I was nineteen

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years old and I was living and
working in a small office in Portland,

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Oregon for a man that I absolutely
adored working with, and I was his

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administrative assistant, and I had been
there for a year and a half when

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literally one day, on the way
out the door to go to lunch,

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he opened the door wide and was
walking through it and over his shoulder he

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says to me, you got to
get out of here. You got to

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go see the world, get an
education. But before you go, do

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something or how your replacement, he
said, And that was just profound,

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justin I didn't know that was coming
at all. And so when he came

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back from lunch, I was still
sitting there trying to process. Did each

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fire me? And I asked him, I said, hold on, before

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you go back to your office.
Did you just fire me? And he

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said, of course I did.
It would be a crime to keep you

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here. And the thing about that, Justin, is that it never occurred

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to me that I could go to
college and so here I am. Let's

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see a bachelor's, two masters,
and a PhD. Later. I think

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I did that. It never occurred
to me that I could that I could

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work or live live abroad. And
I've lived in Spain, in Brazil and

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presented in most of the continents.
So still working on that that bit about

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doing something with myself, of course
that's ever evolving. But that man totally

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changed my life. He actually saved
my life because he opened a vista for

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me that I could not see for
myself, and I walked through that door.

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That's a wonderful story and really shows
someone that cares. We care more

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about the here and now, they
care more about even the individual conversation.

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They care about you. And that's
a really large part of what the premises

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of the blog. Did you reference
the idea that we can see someone and

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we can take one conversation and redirect
where they're going in life, And he

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did exactly that, And that's truly
an act of love it really is in

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your blog is called love in Leadership, which certainly eximplifies what we're getting through

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here, which is again why I
wanted to have you on the show and

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around the holidays. No less right
talk about an act of giving that as

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made a difference in my life decades
later, and by the way, he

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and I still stay in touch.
He's a dear friend. When I went

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through my divorce a couple of year
three years ago, he called me every

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single weekend for six months to make
sure I was okay. Amazing man,

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absolutely, What about you, Jessin
what can you can you share with us

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a conversation that has really made a
difference in your life? Sure, there

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are many, of course I could
point to. Just I think with all

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of us and all of your listeners, there's one particularly that comes to mind.

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It was very meaningful to me personally. It was actually after I had

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done something that I was deeply ashamed
of. I had wronged some people around

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me emotionally left some wounds there with
people that were close with me and a

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mentor and friend of mine, and
he's one of those people that I've had

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many conversations with that have helped to
redirect my life. And you might have

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someone in your life like that that
you kind of come back to again and

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again because they tend to give you
those types of deep thoughts and perspectives,

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and this man is one of those
people for me. And we were speaking

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after all of this had started to
kind of go on, and he sat

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down with me and he just started
asking me some questions about my mindset,

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what I had been thinking, what
my perspective was, and long story short,

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when he came to help me realize
is that I didn't really understand love,

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and he did that in a powerful
way. I remember him particularly asking

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me what I felt the reactions of
people around me were going to be to

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what I had done, And in
the course of that conversation, I revealed

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to him what I expected I would
lose all of these relationships and people wouldn't

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want to speak with me anymore.
And he asked me why it is I

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thought that that would happen, and
I explained, well, basically without saying

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it these words at this time.
There's a little more perspective later on,

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but basically what I explained to him
is I felt that the relationships were all

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conditional, and that's where he began
to shift my thinking and explain to me

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and help me to accept that love
is not necessarily unconditional, conditional and moreover,

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many of these people unconditionally loved me
himself one of those people, and

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all it did was hurt. It
hurt myself, it hurt other people these

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decisions that I had made. But
there was life after those things, and

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there was still relationship after those things, And that thought was such a marvelous

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thought to me, and it took
me a good while longer to really accept

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the full impact of that. But
I'll say that that conversation they should really

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help me to understand unconditional love and
help me to understand my misunderstandings about love.

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So I'll say that that has such
a profound impact on my life and

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how I view relationship that even now, this blog Love and Leadership dot org,

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it centers around that idea intimacy and
unconditional love and what that looks like

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in relationship, especially in business relationships. Is that's kind of one of the

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focuses of the blog, but it
carries over into every aspect of life that

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is so beautiful. Justin and again
exemplifies why I wanted to have you on

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the show and share you with my
listeners because of that beautiful spirit and heart

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of yours and the service that you
have really cultivated in your being over the

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course of your time on the planet, and in so doing, share with

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our listeners the opportunity to really deepen
how they connect and communicate and converse with

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other people so that it's not only
enriching of their lives, but also that

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of the person they're speaking with,
just like you demonstrated in what you just

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shared with us. So thank you
for that beautiful story. So on the

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other side here, I'm very very
curious. I know that I can't even

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imagine the numerous or the number of
conversations that you've had over the years,

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and certainly in the twelve years that
you spent as a preacher talking with people

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and helping them. But would you
share with us just one conversation that you've

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had with someone where you could really
see that the message that you were giving

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them sync into them, into their
bones and alter their being. So what

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was the nature of the message and
why did you think they needed to hear

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it? But obviously, protect the
person that you're going to share, I

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know you will but help us understand
what that looks like. Sure, No,

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obviously, as a pretty sure those
types of conversations happened pretty regularly.

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Would meet people a lot of times
for the first time and serious life crisis

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moments, whether it was the death
of a loved one or some type of

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a terminal diagnosis, or it was
some event that they had done themselves,

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maybe some wrong they had committed and
so now they're trying to figure out where

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to go from this point. I
mean, all types of things. So

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you have a lot of powerful conversations
in that way, but I think that

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I would rather discuss one that was
more recent because it was in the business

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community, outside of preaching in those
things, and I think it illustrates you

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don't have to be a preacher,
you don't have to be someone in the

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ministry or whatever to have these types
of powerful conversations. Just recently, there

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was a man I was speaking with. He's become a friend, and he

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was just talking to me about his
brother's destructive actions, actions that were destructive

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to himself and to the rest of
the family, things centering around addiction.

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And in the course of that conversation
just started asking questions about his brother's upbringing,

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the things that he went through as
a child, and it starts becoming

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clear that this man had serious issues
from childhood relating back to abandon that and

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that type of torn emotional bond and
a child leaves lasting stars, as you

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very well know. And all of
a sudden, all of the things he

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was saying about his brother's action started
to make sense to me. They very

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much represent shame and the stealing of
hopelessness and helplessness and this lost feeling that

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then leads a person to feel like
there's no other way to go. They

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might as well do bad things.
They might as well steal from family,

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or go back to drug use,
or disappear for a little while. That

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is such a hopeless and helpless place
to be. So what I proceeded to

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do was, leaning on some of
the experiences that I've had dealing with others

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and working through different types of traumas, started to bring to the forefront how

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his brother may be feeling deep down
even if he can't verbalize it. Maybe

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he can't verbalize what shame really is, this self hatred that's there, or

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maybe he can't explain what it's like
to not be trusted by anyone and not

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feel unconditionally loved by anyone. You
know, we're much more likely to behave

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well, so to speak, and
to do good for others when we feel

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that others love us, when we
feel that there's a place for us in

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the world. And when you don't
have those things, everything seems hopeless and

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it just doesn't seem like a point
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say that we don't have to deal
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try to navigate through the difficulties of
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important when we're dealing with someone in
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where they may be coming from emotionally, why they're doing what they're doing,

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and try to strike at the root
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of the conversation, I recommended a
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those books was Trust First by Bruce
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powerful, and going through this conversation, what I saw in the individual I

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was speaking with was a total evolution
of thinking around why his brother maybe behaving

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in this way. And that's a
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know what's going to happen out of
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do know that the beginning of change
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some type of impact in this man's
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to walk away from the conversation and
they're like, Wow, that was supposed

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to just be a little business meeting
and what it ended up being with something

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much more powerful than that and lasting
than that. How beautiful and justin just

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a gift. And I want to
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let's grab our first break. I'm
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to working on purpose. Thanks for
staying with us, and welcome back to

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looking on purpose. If you're just
tuning in. My guest is Justin mccarkle.

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He is the director of business Development
at tours Cyber. He's also worked

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in the ministry, where he spent
twelve years as a preacher, guiding church

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growth and living church leadership seminars around
United States and in Central America. I'm

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your host Elise Cortez. So just
one comment about that beautiful story that you

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shared with us before we go on
here to the conversation Justin is what I

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really heard. For that conversation to
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You had to be present to be
able to catch that what he was

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sharing with you in order to be
able to serve up what you did.

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Yeah. Absolutely, I mean there's
something about looking to the next thing that

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distracts you from what you're doing.
I've done that a lot myself, I

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think all of us have. And
in that conversation it may have been more

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prudent business wise, or it may
have stuck with the agenda more to not

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get dragged off into some tangent about
some family things that we're going on.

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But it doesn't actually change anything.
It doesn't help anybody in the long term.

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So instead hearing what's going on in
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that, sometimes it's just a better
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of the day, we have one
life and we're going to spend that one

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life and it's over with. We're
not walking under the sun anymore. So

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what do you want to spend your
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have to be a big conversation about
priorities of life in general. A lot

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of times it just comes down to
a momentary decision what do I want to

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do with my life in this moment
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and what people are actually dealing with, because a lot of times it's not

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the most important thing that we talk
talk about what's pressing business wise. Sometimes

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the most important thing is what's pressing
life wise. Absolutely, and I so

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much of what I'm up to in
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helping people to really awaken to a
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and purpose. And that does take
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which is why I wanted to have
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to be able to help our listeners
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the muscle to have these kind of
conversations is incredibly meaningful. And when we

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look at the world, that is
what's missing for so many people is connection.

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Part of what is undergriding the depression
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cetera, is that people don't feel
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wanted to have you on the air
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and I know you're going to blush
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to talk about this just because of
who you are as a human being and

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the work that you've gotten to do
as a preacher as well. Well.

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I may be uniquely qualified in some
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the truth is that even in leadership
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of my time on the planet,
I have not been a connected person.

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allowing them to truly connect with me. And there's a lot written on my

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blog about that. You know,
I also come from some childhood trauma and

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some abandonment issues and things of that
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my life on the planet not understanding
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change my thinking and redirect my focus, broken people oftentimes want to help other

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broken people, and that's where I
would fit into that category. I wanted

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to do good for others. I
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didn't really understand my own brokenness and
why it is that I felt those kinships

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and connections, and moreover, I
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same intimates see into my life to
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and receiving from other people. And
that what that speaks to for me,

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justin is just that the beauty and
grace of your willingness to step into growth

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right and to recognize where you've been
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that place is what I think life
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interesting along those lines on your blog
that I thought was interesting in that same

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same post that I'd love for you
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it has become obvious to me that
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the space of radical, challenging growth. So I'm wondering, you know,

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just because I can see that in
you you have gone through that and we'll

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continue to do so, I know, but what are your observations on this

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and how did you arrive at that
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I would just say that pride is
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that mask quite a bit so then
having painfully removed it. It's often easy

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to spot on other people for me
in gauging in so many conversations that I

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do. Of course, my work
now enables me to meet a lot of

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people, and that's always exciting.
You're one of those people, and I

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really appreciate the opportunities that I have
to get to know so many different types

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of people. But as those things
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of gauging a person's willingness to be
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indicative of how much time they've spent
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you're referring to. So people will
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you can almost see the bravado,
the ego, and the pride that's there

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behind what they're saying. Everybody wants
to speak about, even if in a

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very subtle way, how great we
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past that enough to the point now
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is a mask and it's guarding something, it's guarding intimacy. But that's also

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where these conversations come into play,
and we can give the opportunity for other

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people to take that mask off,
and a lot of times it comes along

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with us speaking about our worst moments
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I wanted to talk about that,
and I completely agree, and that was

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so beautifully narrated and brought to the
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that. One of the things that
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and certainly in your own life too, that sometimes the hardest times to speak

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to someone is when they might be
not having they might be in a very

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difficult time. That we tend to
avoid that like when somebody, for example,

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I see it all the time,
when somebody has lost a loved one.

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There's usually the cursory, oh,
I'm so sorry for your loss,

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instead of really engaging in and being
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here, tell me about David or
you know the person's name, bring the

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person's name out there and enter into
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them. Will you say more about
that, this whole notion of maybe our

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reticence not to engage in conversations with
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the most difficult things. Yeah,
there's obvious temptation and most of us to

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avoid difficulty, and that includes difficulty
and conversations. So someone says something about

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having just lost a spouse or they've
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and what we I think tend to
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I mean a lot of times there's
this urge to let's redirect the conversation,

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let's change something else, but that's
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conversation. So one view says that
we have about seventy two hours to reset

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after crisis. That is to say
that there's this window of moment where we

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can totally change our lives and we
can have everything flipped for us. But

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it's going to take different direction,
it's going to take a whole new perspective.

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when we are conversation with someone,
even if you're outside of the seventy

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two our window, but you know
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even if they're downplaying its impact.
Instead of avoiding that, it may

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be best to engage it. Of
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put someone into a conversation they don't
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we know these things about them,
especially if they brought it up, there's

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probably a desire within them to discuss
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around the topics. So instead of
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we ought to embrace the moment and
see it for what it is. It's

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even if it's terrible, it's also
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that's not in the crisis, right. I mean, you've been through crisis.

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I have as well, and in
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awful feeling. There is a fear, there is all types of adrenaline,

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so much going on within us that
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outside of us can see something that
we can't see. In things that I've

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gone through, there have been people
outside of me that have looked at me

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and told me that you're going to
be better because of this. This is

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going to change you for the better. And it is not something that is

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easy to hear, and you certainly
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feel like you're never going to get
up from whatever has just knocked you down.

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may be one of those other people
to step back and to look at someone's

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situation and to just get perspective and
meaningful conversation to them that will help them

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to become the person that they can
become out of these things, which,

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of course, as you know,
Justin, is exactly why I get up

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every single morning, is wanting to
have the ability to make an impact and

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others by transforming them, by helping
them transform into something more or bigger or

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more enriched than they were before.
So I'm hanging on every word, justin.

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Thank you. So one other thing
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blog post I thought was so enticing, And there's you said a lot in

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a short amount of time, by
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things that you say is that in
making a difference to someone's life in a

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single conversation does require a certain mindset. You say, so help us get

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present to that. What is it? How would you describe maybe a more

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ideal or effective mindset? Sure,
I mean, obviously this is probably not

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a complete list of things that go
along with that. I'm sure that you

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and your audience can think of other
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But I start out with a negative. What we don't want to be

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is to know at all and having
a know at all mindset. I know

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better for you, I know better
for your life than you know. All

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those types of things of major barriers
to actually helping someone, But rather it

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requires a mindset of love and respect, concern, compassion, and passion to

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help other people. If we enter
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going to be very different. So
what I mean, particularly by that the

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mindset of love is the selflessness that
I'm not here in this moment from me.

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I'm not here to talk about me, although that may help, and

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we can come back to that if
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but I'm not here for my benefit. I'm here for someone else that's benefit,

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and this person that's in front of
me. Respect. They deserve respect

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no matter who they are, no
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they are in life. It doesn't
matter if you're talking to someone that has

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burned every bridge they've ever crossed.
This person deserves respect because they're human being

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and their subjective experience has shaped them. I tend to see the best in

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people. I think that most people
have good within them, even if it's

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buried deep down, and usually it's
buried deep down because of trauma, because

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of things inflicted upon them. So
everyone deserves respect, and we have to

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start with respect or we're certainly not
going to receive any back, and then

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concern wanting to see them evolved to
become better than they are, and we

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all can be better. So it's
not a way of looking down our nose

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at some one to say that.
I mean, people can look at me,

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and I hope they do say this
person can be better, and I

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want to be. So if we
approach others with the same mindset that they

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can be better than they are right
now, that's concerned, and then compassion

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for their circumstance, and then having
a real desire to help to be involved

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with them and to help them grow
from this. And maybe they don't want

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us there, and that's okay as
well. It's that's part of respect.

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We might not be the person for
them in that situation, and maybe they're

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not ready to enter into those conversations
and that's all fine as well. But

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having the mindset with all of those
aspects to it. I think will help

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us to find these kind of conversations
where we're able to change lives. You

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gave us so much that in that
justin just now, and that giving us

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access to be able to get present
to just this what we're how it is

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that we can create a space in
which to converse meaningfully with someone that that

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was That was incredibly useful. Thank
you, And let's go ahead and grab

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our last or last break here before
we go into the segment. I'm your

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host, Alice Cortez. We'll get
on the air with Justin McCorkle, who

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is the director of business Development for
Tuarus Cyber. Previously, he worked in

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the ministry, where he spent twelve
years as a preacher, guiding church growth

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and delivering church leadership seminars around the
United States and in Central America. He

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also worked in the political arena as
a speechwriter, campaign coordinator, and state

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look us and welcome back to working
on purpus. If you just tune me

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in, I guess it's Justin mccorkole, who is the director of business development

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for Taras Cyber. He's also the
author of a blog called Love in Leadership.

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It's Love and Leadership dot org.
I'm your host, Elise Cortez.

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So Justin. One of the things
that I also wanted to service, which

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you started to speak to there where
you did actually speak to but I wanted

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to up more deeply, is you
say that we need to take caution when

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our heart is our own heart isn't
right when we because we can actually cause

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damage and our intention to help someone
else in a conversation. So I think

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that's really really important. In fact, in the years that I spent running

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crucial conversations workshops for companies and still
do somewhat today, that whole part about

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the heart, getting very clear about
your intention is really important. Can you

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say more about that? Yeah?
Sure, it's true in every field,

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in every area of life and every
relationship that if we aren't approaching it with

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the right intention, with a selfless
intention to help someone else, it's probably

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not going to turn out through their
benefit or hours. Now, sometimes I

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think that we try to deny that
to ourselves. We know maybe deep down

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that we're not doing this for the
right reasons, we're not saying these things

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for the right reasons, but we
kind of press through because we think,

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hey, it all is good in
the end, but it really isn't because

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we're not going to focus on the
things we should focus on. We're not

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going to say what we should say, whether that's an easy thing to say

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or a hard thing to say.
If our purpose and intent isn't correct in

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the conversation so however, we're approaching
a person that's in front of us,

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we have to be looking at them
for who they are and where they are,

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and recognizing ourselves who we are and
where we are and what our biases

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are. Even having a bias doesn't
necessarily mean that we can't do that,

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that we can't be selfless and help
someone, but we have to recognize that

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it's there. And if I'm talking
with someone and the story that they're telling

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me has an impact on my life, and them choosing a particular path is

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going to affect my life, I
may be tempted to push them toward doing

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what is expedient for me personally,
and that's not what we're talking about and

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having these types of meaningful conversations and
changing someone's life in one conversation, because

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it's very likely it's down the road
they're going to come to understand what your

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true intent was and it's going to
turn bad. So instead would say that

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it's better for us to walk away
from those conversations. Sometimes they're our conversations

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that could be meaningful, could be
powerful, that we shouldn't be a part

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of. And that's the same reason. Right when someone's being selected for jury.

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They want to know what type of
bias is there in that person,

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do they know the defendant? And
questions around that topic affect the choice of

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who's going to be in that jury. And maybe sometimes we're not the person

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to have a conversation agreed. And
as you were talking about that, justinight,

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I got present to something for myself
and for me, one of the

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most glorious things someone can say to
me as we're having a conversation is I've

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never heard myself say that before.
In other words, I'm the first person

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to catch something that they just got
for themselves. To me, that is

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one of the greatest gifts and indications
that we're having a meaningful conversation that may

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actually alter the course of their lives. And in I used to always say

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justin that when I'm talking with people, Look, if you're not going to

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share your soul with me, don't
waste my time, which isn't for everyone,

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right, But you do talk about
the essentialness of openness and intimacy in

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having these life changing conversations, and
I think the word intimacy is often misunderstood.

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Will you give us a bit deeper
access to what you mean by openness

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and intimacy. Sure, why should
anyone trust me if I won't trust them.

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There is an elitism that comes along
in leadership roles a lot of times

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that we feel this maternal or paternal
instinct for the people that we're dealing with.

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But that type of thinking is very
self damaging. I've definitely been involved

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in this, I've had these types
of mindsets. So I want you to

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know I'm speaking from real personal experience
here, where what I want is for

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the person I'm speaking with to truly
open up, to be totally vulnerable,

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totally intimate, and I'm going to
do my best to help them based on

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what they provide in that conversation around
those things. However, keeping myself guarded

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and distant from them is done to
protect myself, because, after all,

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I'm in a role of influence.
You know, I'm some type of leader,

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whether it's a church leader or a
counselor or whatever. And of course

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counselors maybe a little different there,
and we could have more conversation around that

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another time. But there's a type
of thinking that says, well, I

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can't be equally as vulnerable as this
person, and I went a long time

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feeling that way, because, after
all, it would diminish my influence.

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If people knew the struggles that I
was having, it would be something that

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closed them off from me. Maybe
they wouldn't come to me for help,

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they wouldn't open up to me if
they knew that I'm also a real person

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and I'm also going through things and
struggling with things, and I also have

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problems in my marriage, and I
also have struggles with my family members and

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so forth and so on, And
that is so self damaging because not only

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do I need community, all of
us we need community, and we need

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to feel that we can share and
we should be open. Not only do

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I need that, but really,
I'm at the point to where I think

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that our fellow conversationalists, this partner
in life, this friend that we're talking

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to, they also need that us
being willing to share ourselves with them is

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just another sign of great mutual respect. That's not to say that it doesn't

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come with some risk. It certainly
does. But I think that it behooves

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us to consider that we are the
same as this person. We are equal

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to this person, no matter what
our level is. It doesn't matter if

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there are subordinate whatever else. There
is a role of business that is not

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the same as being a human being, and we are all human beings trying

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to make it through life. I
don't mean to say that we should be

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foolish about the conversations that we have. I'm just saying that if we are

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wanting someone to open up to us, certainly we should consider opening up to

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an equal extent with them. I
completely agree. And I think that takes

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us to the next thing that I
wanted to talk up by, which I

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think will deepen just what you said
here, and that is this idea of

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alignment that you talk about. And
so there's a statement that you have in

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this blog post that I want to
read for our listeners. You say,

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if you can come to see another
person in their pain, joy, confusion,

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or any other state of being as
they are, and they can do

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the same, you've aligned yourself in
such a way that true, meaningful communication

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can take place. Wow. I
mean that is extraordinary. That to me,

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when you align on that level,
that's like the rest of the world

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stops around you. Yeah. Absolutely. It is a crowded place sitting in

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a coffee shop and suddenly no one
else is there. The one matters is

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the person riding front of you and
they feel the same, and we're involved

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in a very intimate dance that will
never be forgotten. And that's a powerful

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moment of life, and really that's
maybe the substance of life. And to

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think that we can do that at
a first eating, even just in one

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conversation, is really beautiful. And
if there's a chance of doing that,

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then we have to be trying to
take that opportunity well. And that's exactly

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what together, I hope we're encouraging
our listeners to do. That's exactly what

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why I wanted to have you on
the show is to give people access to

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this beautiful place that I know you
and I've been able to enjoy together,

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to come in an alignment and experience
what it really means to be completely present

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in somebody else's life. They are
completely seen and understood and heard, and

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so are you at the same time, and something in you gets altered in

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the course of that conversation. As
you say, I think that's pretty much

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as good as it gets. Absolutely
so this other thing that you talk about

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here that I think is important to
the same thing, and as I say,

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this blog that you've written is very
tight and there's so much in it

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to unpack like we're doing today.
But you do say that making this kind

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of a difference in someone's life when
you were really do move the needle in

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their world, it does require an
element of risk, and I think that's

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important for us to talk about.
So help us get present and ready to

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face this risk. How can we
position ourselves to best embolden or handle that

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risk? Well, not put it
this way, what is the worst thing

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you've ever done in your life that
identifications If you can kind of sort through

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your mind and think of the worst
thing you've ever done, how willing are

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you to share that information with someone
else? How willing are you to share

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it in a conversation with someone that
having that knowledge may just be the thing

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that opens up this great door of
intimacy and allows the conversation to go so

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much deeper than it otherwise could have. But you also know that if you

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share that information that there's risk they
could take that information and use it to

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hurt you later on. They could
harm you or other people with it.

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They could tear down business relationships,
or they could take it to someone else

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and someone that's not so forgiving immersiful
having the willingness to risk it all is

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really, I think important to this
concept. You know, we want to

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be present, we want to be
there, and we're doing this for someone

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else. But sometimes what they need
is to know that whatever they're dealing with,

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you've been through something similar, or
if you haven't, you've been through

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something painful. That allows them to
connect with you. And maybe in the

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course of this conversation you have other
thoughts about, well, if I open

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up about this, it's going to
potentially cause these things to happen, These

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dominant effects I'd had that I was
in a conversation just a couple of months

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back with a man that's going through
a difficult situation, and the course of

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that conversation, some things were mentioned
about his relationship with his wife and different

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things that we're going on in their
life, and this all effect of business

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and all these types of things.
Of course of that conversation, what I

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came to realize is that this person's
being intimate with me, They're being open

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with me, and to really strike
it the heart of maybe what needs to

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be dealt with, I need to
share personal things that are going to show

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that I know some of the pain
that's being dealt with there, and so

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then opening up to do that would
open me up in this relationship because we

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have other business connections with one another, and that information could be spread and

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he knows would impact it would have
down the line. But that's a risk

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that I was willing to take and
I encourage others to take, because even

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if it does go that way,
even if they use some information they gain

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from us something that we're going through
in life or we have gone through,

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or some mistake that we've made,
or some loss that we've had, if

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they share that in such a way
that it could affect something else. But

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I think we'll find is that people
tend to be more merciful than we give

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them credit for, and those that
aren't, maybe we didn't need them in

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our lives to begin with. It's
accepting the risk for what it is,

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but accepting the positive risk. What
could come out of that is a deeper

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conversation and a deeper connection with a
person that could end up changing this person's

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life. We're holding that in may
very well prohibit that from happening. What

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I've got present too, is you
were sharing that Justin is just this whole

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notion that all of us have heard
before is that you get what you put

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into life. We get out of
life what you put into it. Right,

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So, if you're willing to make
that psychological emotional investment in a conversation

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like that, the reward, the
return on your investment is dynamic. It's

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terrific. And I do think that
being willing to risk ourselves emotionally and spiritually

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certainly is really really important, and
I want to surface that now on specifically

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in the workspace we've been talking about. These conversations have been over largely business

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conversations, which I think is important
for our listeners to understand. These are

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We can do this all over our
life and certainly at work and in business

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too. But let's talk about what
we tend to both see in that when,

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especially in leadership, there's a there's
a lot of guarding in leadership people.

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I do a lot of coaching with
men and women, and they often

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tell me that they feel like they
should really guard who they are. What

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is your perspective, what would you
what would you surface for our listeners in

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the regard to people being truly authentic
and who they are as leaders? Well,

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my experience is just the fact opposite
of that. So I can reference

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several different business relationships with subordinates or
with partners, business partners that work for

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the companies that I have to interact
with. I can tell you that people

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in these relationships we tend to view
as kind of distant from us. We

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interact with them with just what we
need and then we kind of move on.

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But I suggest that there's a lot
more potential there. And I have,

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for instance, a business partner that
has been going through some real struggles

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with life, and I found myself
picking up the phone and give them a

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call after hours, check on them, see how things are going. And

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we end up having a conversation about
things far beyond the scope of our work.

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And that knowledge came about because of
both of our willingness to be open

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during the few minutes before a business
meeting starts or something where we're actually kind

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of connecting and learning each other's life. And now I would say that we're

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after hours friends, not that we
talk all the time, but that this

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person knows that if they need talk
to me after hours or something outside of

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work, we can do that,
and vice a versa. And then in

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a situation with someone who works for
me, I know some of the things

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going on in their life. Having
conversation about those things is not inappropriate in

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my mindset to the workplace because we're
playing an infinite game here. We're not

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to use some of Simon Senex language
there. You know, We're not just

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out to try to have the best
quarter or the best year financially. We're

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out to try to be involved in
each other's lives and in our client's lives,

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to try to help to do something
bigger than just work. So these

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people that come to work, they
have real lives, they have real emotions,

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real pain. They're people just like
we are. Again, we're each

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humans, so we're equal in that
sense. We're all created in the image

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of God, and that should give
us the motivation to connect. And that

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doesn't mean that we're not going to
have to have some awkward conversations sometimes and

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we're going to have to tell people
to step up in this area, or

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we're going to have to reevaluate employment
position for someone. Those things happen that

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they are part of life as well. But as long as someone is in

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our sphere of influence, why not
do something more meaningful why not be more

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than just a paycheck. We can
do those things and still be professional.

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We can talk about serious things and
still have a professional workplace where we're caring

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about formants. But people care more
when they know they're cared for and just

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giving them that giving them a place
where they come and they know that their

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support has their back, their leaders
have their back and know what's going on.

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It changes the dynamic of the relationship. And I hope that we can

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keep that culture inside of two RS. And certainly I would encourage all the

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other people in leadership roles that are
your listeners to consider that we don't want

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to go to work and hate where
we go. We want to go to

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work and be proud of where we
are and know that we're around people that

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care for us. And all we
have to do is show that love and

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we're going to get a good response. I completely agree. We're almost at

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a time here at Destin and there's
one more thing that I want to at

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presence for our listeners here as we
close. You assert, and I absolutely

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agree that the world needs more people
who can change lives in a single conversation,

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and so therefore the world needs you
to be more real and intimate,

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you say, and the world needs
you to take a risk, you just

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say, thirty seconds add to that, or however we want to close sure

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each of us have a voice,
a life, experience, a perspective,

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or an ability that matters on a
much greater scale than we're ever realize.

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It doesn't matter if we witness the
result of what we're doing. It just

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matters that we live in the present
and see the opportunity to show love and

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to build up other people. We
have a short life, and in that

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short time we can make the world
a little bit better than it is.

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And our greatest strength maybe in our
greatest weakness, but we have to be

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willing to share who we are in
order to change lives. And again,

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it may only take one conversation.
What a beautiful contribution you have been to

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me and to my listeners today,
Justin, thank you so very much for

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joining us. Thank you listeners.
If you want to learn more about Justin

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and his thought leadership and just at
the way he walks through life and what

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you might be able to learn from
him, I encourage you to visit his

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blog, It's love in Leadership dot
org. Last week. If you miss

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the live show you always catch it
be a recorded podcast, Believe it or

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not, We were on air with
none other than Sanak and missus Claus right

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here in my office studio. Tis
the season, you know, I have

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to have that for the holidays.
We had a joyous conversation about the wonder

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of the season and the importance of
meaningfulness and living with daily gratitude. It

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was fantastic. Next week, we'll
be on the air with Jeanette McConnell as

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she shares her year long journey in
a transformation transformative leadership program that culminated in

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a trip to Antarctica. See you
there. Remember that works at least one

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third of our life, So let's
work on purpose. We hope you've enjoyed

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this week's program. Be sure to
tune in to Working on Purpose, featuring

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your host Alice Cortez, each week
on the Voice America Empowerment Channel. This

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week, find your life's purpose at
work.