Lessons Our Animals Teach Us to Become Our Best Selves

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host, Elise Cortes. In our

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program, we provide guidance and inspiration
from those people who have found deeper meaning

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and personal connection to their work life. It's beyond nine to five. It's

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working on purpose. Now Here is
your host, Elise Cortes. Welcome back

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to Working on Purpose. So thanks
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host, Alise Cortes, joining you
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home base for me. If you've
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listening. Now onto this week's program with

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us today is doctor Joanne Lefevre.
She is a Gnarian promoting intuitive medicine.

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She guy's families and tuning in with
their pets, themselves, nature, and

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the universe to make better medical decisions. Doctor Joanne is the author of Animal

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Teachings from Haley's Angels Methods. She
join us today from the state of Florida.

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Doctor Joanne, Welcome to Working on
Purpose. Thank you so much Elise

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for having me. I'm very excited
to share with you and your listeners the

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teachings of animals on my path bien
venue. It's so wonderful to have you.

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And again, I so appreciate that
you can speak various languages, English,

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French, what else? Oh,
yes, studio espanolomien. Well,

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it's it's wonderful for our listeners to
be able to hear that lovely accent of

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yours. And I want to thank
you for finding me and when we were

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generating this conversation about what did we
want to situate? What do we want

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to talk about? One? I
love the fact that I can showcase you

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as a woman clearly working on purpose
in service of your calling. We'll hear

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more about that. And I also
wanted to have you as a guest on

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the show because people's lives today are
intimately intertwined with their pets, which greatly

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impacts their meaning of course, in
the quality of life. And of course

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that's a lot of the world that
I'm focused on, and I know for

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my own experience there's so much animals
can teach us about becoming better versions of

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ourselves. And so for those two
reasons, doctor Joanne, I wanted to

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have you on the show. So
I've get you for an hour. Are

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you ready to go? I'm ready
to go. Okay, Well, I

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always like to help our listeners understand
really how it was you got into this

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space. And you've got this amazing
story that about early on how you connected

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with animals and took the red of
becoming a veterinarian. But could you give

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us, you know, the short
version of what that was. Since I

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was a very young child, I've
always connected with animals more than people.

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And I was a middle child,
so I had a lot of time kind

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of left alone, and I would
be outside playing with butterflies and letting the

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ants crawl on my hands and playing
with the worms, and that it's still

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my home, you know. The
best place for me is to be outside

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and to just be amazed by the
beauties of nature. So as a teenager,

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I was blessed to work in a
wildlife refuge for a couple of years

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and that definitely pushed me into ved
school. And my passion for helping animals

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is just still very alive today and
more and more, and I just can't

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stop, you know, wanting to
make the world a better place for them

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and for people, because, like
you said, they have so much to

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teach us if we are ready to
receive their teachings, they have amazing wisdom

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for us. And what was it
just to go one more level deep there

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for our audience, Because keep in
mind that many people listening to the show

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are hoping to discover their own purpose. That's a lot of the reason that

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they tune in. So how did
you know for sure that it was animals

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that you wanted to work with,
that was your calling. Well, one

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thing is that I could not have
seen myself do anything else. You know,

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when I did other jobs, summer
jobs as a student, I either

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was not good at it or my
heart was not there either. So you

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know, if your heart is not
in that right place of you could just

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work endlessly, then it's not your
place, you know. I just felt

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like Okay, this is not work. This is so much fun. Like

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if I can make a living doing
what I love, let's do is because

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I just feel like I'm playing every
day. So that's really the way I

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go about life. It has to
be fun and my heart makes the decision

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over my brain. That is beautiful. And I want to echo something that

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we heard a few weeks ago from
a previous guest, doctor Alex Patacos,

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who is also called doctor meaning he
says he greatly advocates for people creating a

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life, not a living, and
so do you have created a life?

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So have I, and I appreciate
that very much. It's not always easy,

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right to listen to our heart,
but ultimately I think it always works

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out the best. I agree it's
not, but yes, you have to

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overcome a lot of fears and self
doubt. But at the same time you

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have to just go for it,
because I agree it's the purpose of life,

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being happy, doing what we love
and being in service right and which

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is absolutely what you're doing. And
to that end, there's so much we

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could talk about here, but I
want to next get us into because this

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is so pivotal for you. The
story in your book that one of how

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you met your husband is great.
We got to talk abouit about that and

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his dog, Haley, and so
great. And I love how you talk

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about how helping her pass at home
helped you become a much better person than

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who you were prior to the founding
of this company. And you say,

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tapping into our own deepest potential,
expressing it to its fullest is the most

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rewarding experience ever on earth. Be
the best you can be. I love

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that. That is so right.
I'm so with you on this. So

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for our listeners who haven't yet read
your book, first tell us how it

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is that you met your husband and
then came to know Haley. So seriously,

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it was a blessing and it was
an intuition call. And I'm so

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I'm so grateful, I'm so I
pat myself in the back every day for

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listening to my gut feeling on that
one, because that was years ago.

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That was sixteen years ago when I
met my husband, and I did not

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know how to really listen to my
gut feeling and I was still very much

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in my brain. But anyway to
sum it up, I had moved to

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the Northeast and that's where he's from, and I wanted to a dream of

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mine came back from when I was
a kid, of taking dance lesson and

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that was my first job. I
was finally making money and I wanted to

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pursue that dream. But I was
alone. I didn't have any partner,

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and so I was very afraid of
like, well, am I going to

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look crazy going to take dancing lessons
on my own? And I had other

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options that I was considering, but
my heart was not in them, like

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working out at the gym or so
I ended up just like, Okay,

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I'm going to be crazy here and
I'm just going to show up at the

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dance studio by myself. And my
husband happened to be the teacher there.

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But he's he's a rock musician,
he's a singer songwriter. He doesn't really

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belong in a ballroom dance studio.
But he was there for just a few

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months in his life because he was
DJing at the time and he was learning

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some dance to teach the groom and
the bride, so he was DJing weddings

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and so our lives just met.
For it was so fortunate, fortunate.

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So that was it, you know, love at first sight and we just

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then Haley was there. Hailey was
my husband's dog, and she changed my

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life because I you know, she
accepted me as part of the family.

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She could smell the veterinarian. It
took her a few a little minute here

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to welcome me in, but then
she trusted me, and we spent what

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twelve years together, And the time
came. She was an old lady and

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we had to help her pass.
So she you know, she needed help

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and she was suffering. So luckily
I was able to bring the euthanasia medication

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at home. She had trouble breathing, so it was really really good that

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we did not have to move her, that I was the veterinarian able to

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bring the medication home, and we
helped her pass at home, and you

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know, I really thought my life
was ending. I mean I didn't know

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what to do. I was so
devastated. And after she passed, the

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you know, weirdest moment happened where
well people started calling me out of nowhere,

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like a friend of a friend saying, hey, would you be able

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to come help me help my own
animal go to heaven from home. I

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don't want to go to the hospital, and so I had experienced this,

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you know, just with Haley,
and I really felt like Haley was pushing

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me from the other side to help
others, just like I had helped her.

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And I was trying to blow that
thought away. You know, my

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heart was saying, oh no,
this is crazy, She's not there's nobody

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on the other side. I'm not
going to do this. I'm afraid.

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And I was really trying to resist
that. But everything in my life kept,

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like the signs and the synchronicities and
all the everything was coming back for

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me to do this, and I
finally had to surrender to Haley. I

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just like, Okay, you know
what, if you're there really and I'm

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supposed to do this, please help
me make this go out, Like I

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really want to do good job.
I want to help these families. I

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want to be able to help these
animals pass peacefully. And just now today

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it's twelve years later and I have
helped you know, a lot of animals,

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and oh my god, she really
pushed me out of my comfort zone

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and that dog I had to take
the leap of faith, you know.

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I had to say, oh my
god, I'm just I don't know what's

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going to happen here. But luckily, yeah, luckily it works out.

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And this is you know, it
gave me some momentum to take either bigger

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leap of faith and you know it's
truly the right answer. When you have

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a gut feeling you have to go
for it. That's so beautiful. A

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couple of things I want to peel
back there if we can. One is

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I think if I read this right
somewhere it's either in your book or on

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your website that since your family,
you've helped over a ten thousand families find

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pass enclosure with their pets, illnesses
and passing. That's amazing. Yeah,

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yeah, and again it doesn't feel
like that. I mean it just I

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enjoyed myself, you know, helping
others make me feel so good that yes,

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it went by in a blink of
an eye. It's amazing. I

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don't know how you have time to
talk to me right now. This is

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crazy. You're in such demands.
It's wonderful, and I want to thank

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Hailey for the role that she had
in helping you really discover your even deeper

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calling. Because one of the things
that I share with my listeners is that

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those experiences in life that really call
something deep from us can be sources of

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discovering our purpose, maybe as it
was for you. Right, And so

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I mean now today, what do
you call your your So it's Hailey's Angels

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Veterinary Services, right, yep.
Yeah, And I'm grateful to Haley as

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well. You know, God,
I miss her, but I really feel

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like, yeah, she's there,
she's she's making sure that I don't get

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bored down here, that I do
some good work and help others. So

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I'm grateful for her. Yeah,
being in service like that is tremendous.

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And the community that you've built.
So you said people began calling you.

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Did you tell anybody that you had
helped Haley pass or they just somehow knew

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to call you. It started with
just one, well, one veterinary technician,

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one coworker who came to help me. She was my closest friend and

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she helped me with Haley because I
didn't feel like I had this strain to

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do this on my own. And
so it was started with one of her

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friends. And then just word of
mouth. It just went crazy. And

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it's more than word of mouth.
It was like an energy, you know,

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some interaction, really some blessing from
the other side that made it snowball

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so quickly, and I was trying
to resist it and stop it until I'm

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like, Okay, well this is
not stopping, so let me jump in

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and yeah, let's do this.
You know, animals need help. I

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mean, they need the help so
well. And again I said, like

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I said, so many people are
so beautifully connected to their animals, like

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you, like you have been with
Haley and others had I don't have animals

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today, but when I was growing
up in elementary school, I had one

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horse named Sugarfoot and exactly sixteen cats
that all had their own names and made

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them their own houses. They were
precious to me. So you know,

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how we're connected to animals is really
important. And then later, of course,

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we're going to talk about what they
can teach us to become better human

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beings. But before we get there, there's one other important part of you

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that I really want to call out
for our listeners, and I know it's

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very important to you, and that
is that you are a vegan and you

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were on a mission to inspire all
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one with the web of life,
as you'd like to say, So situate

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for us this key philosophy of yours. And you know, I became vegan

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kind of overnight at the same time
when Haley died my life, I felt

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like I stepped out of my own
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from a different angle, like from
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I was just petrified all of a
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but just the way, you know, what is going on with this

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world. So I've made a vow
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any destruction on this beautiful planet and
taking care of Mother Earth. So I

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kind of became vegan overnight of doing
no harm. So with what I eat,

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you know, I don't want to
eat my animal friends, so no

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more animal meat, no more dairy
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I use, you know, beauty
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know, making sure it has not
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so friendly for the earth. So
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my journey on Earth. That is
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does take taking a stand right to
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in a lot of ways, you're
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Yeah, each life count and when
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Oh my god. I don't kill
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in the house, I pick it
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saving one life like this, you
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Every time I find an insect.
I'm like, oh, I'm about to

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feel so good right now because I'm
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thing. Yes, I agree.
I can't kill insects either. I don't

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kill bugs. I don't kill I
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you know, horrified by the whole
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it, but I can't, So
I'm with you. Good. All right,

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We've been on the air with doctor
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Now back to working on purpose.
Thanks Christine with us, and welcome back

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to working on purpose if you're just
joining us. My girst is doctor Joann

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Lafeb. She is a veterinarian promoting
intuitive medicine and she guides families in tuning

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in with their pets, themselves,
nature, in the universe to make better

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medical decisions. Doctor Joanne is the
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I'm your host at Lice Cortes.
So for this next segment, Doctor

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Joanne, I want to I want
to help our listeners understand your your key

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learnings and philosophies. And in your
book, there's there's quite a bit in

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there about what you've learned in your
life and through your own experience and through

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your own your inquiry, and they
come out in the way of philosophies.

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So first you write that animals or
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specific lessons. That is so beautiful
and that really quick. That takes me

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back to how you met your husband. I mean, you know, when

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I think about that, I'm very
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and I mean obviously that that was
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about this whole notion about our pets
teaching of something specific. That's fascinating.

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I've never did anybody say that before. So you know, it's the same

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beautiful law of attraction of when you
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you will encounter the perfect match,
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And sometimes, you know, it
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but the purpose is always to grow. And so when I ask people,

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how did you find your animal or
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Most people, ninety nine percent of
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did not choose this one. He
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know, you're just walking down the
streets and this kiddy starts following you home,

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and it's like, okay, I'm
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You know, let's go home.
And so I'm always grateful when people

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say, well, okay, I
guess yeah, you chose me. Let's

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do this, Let's make this work, and people embrace the teachings that these

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animals have for us. And when
they go to a shelter, let's say,

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or they have an idea of well, I'm going to adopt this kind

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of dog, this breed, but
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different, completely different animal, different
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just looks at them in the eye
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right away. And so this is
truly the best part of finding the right

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teacher for you, because I really
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a right connection to grow together.
You know, I definitely have acquired animals

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over my life as well. And
when I acquired that my horse, Sugarfoot,

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I didn't pick him. He just
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with each other. It took us
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love with each other and fell into
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of understanding each other that was really
beautiful. Still today, all these years

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later, I can remember that absolutely
and it's embracing. Of course, they

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put you out of your comfort zone. There is a pig living with us

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right now, and I don't still
don't know how this happened. He showed

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up two years ago at our gate
and he's like, Okay, I'm home,

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let me in. And my husband
and I were like, oh my

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god, seriously, like we don't
know anything about pigs. There's no pig

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rescue that we can take him to. So we let him in. And

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yeah, it was a little bit
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us many times. But now we
embrace We embrace his teachings. He walks

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on a leash on the harness,
he loves to go for rides. We

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take him to the beach and he's
on his own journey truly of making the

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world a better place. So we're
really happy right now. That is so

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brilliant. It's just beautiful. All
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along the same line of lessons here. Another thing that you talk about is

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you suggest that in order to improve
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we all need to be actively involved
in our own healing and in the healing

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of our pet. Of course,
that makes sense to me, and that

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the diagnosis you say is an opportunity
to grow. I think that's fascinating.

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So I'm really interested in the idea
if you could talk more about, how

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are our diagnosis as people is an
opportunity to grow? What do you mean

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by that? So I want to
tell everybody you know, when you receive

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a diagnosis, don't feel so defeated
or like it's going to stick with you

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forever and it's a like a death
sentence, you know. We it's a

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it's an apportuity to put an opportunity
to grow in this sense that there is

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a reason why you got sick.
Where there is where we get out of

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balance, and that's truly the main
reason why our body gets out of balance

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too, and then we end up
with different diseases. So it's a good

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time to reflect on your life and
say, well, what can I do

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better here? How can I become
a better person, more balanced. Is

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it something in my food and my
diet that I'm that's hurting my body?

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Is there any strong emotions that I
haven't dealt with, you know, chronic

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sadness, anger, resentment, guilt, any anything that is negative that you

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know, when you think about it
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it's it lowers your energy level.
So there is a way to fix

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that. Looking at your lifestyle,
are you sleeping enough? Are you thriving

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where you are? You know,
some people thrive more by the beach,

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the ocean. Some people need to
be in the mountains, some people need

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to be in the desert. So
it's really a good apportunity to reassess our

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life and do better and get rid
of the diagnosis. You know, heal

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our diseases, because most of them, we can heal them. I know

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of so many people who have turned
their diagnosis into something frankly miraculous. I

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mean, just one example. I
had a woman named Gwen rich on my

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radio show last fall, I think
it was. She has been surviving terminal

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breast cancer now for the last eight
years, and now she's learned how to

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eat in an incredibly healthy way,
and she's gone on to start a couple

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of nonprofits, and she's written a
book, and I mean, she's done

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so much since her diagnosis and learned
so much about breast cancer and everything.

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It's just unbelievable. So a testament
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absolutely, I'm so grateful that she
did not feel defeated. She decided to

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embrace the lesson and really learn.
And that is amazing. It is,

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and it's incredibly inspiring me. Instead
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gosh, you know I've been diagnosed, what's the point, she was like,

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well, I got work to do
until until the time happens. Yeah,

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wow, I know, right,
I know. Okay. So the

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next thing I want to talk about
again another thing that I've never heard anybody

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talk about here, doctor Joan,
And as you say in your book,

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that knowing your pets life mission helps
you grow. First, I didn't even

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know that pets could have a life
mission. So how do we discover our

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pets life mission? That's the first
question. So it's easy pick one word

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that describes your pet the best.
When you look at your pet and you

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know him, his behavior and his
passions, if you allow him to really

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show you his true colors, what
does he live for, what does he

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stand for? So it could be
as easy as you're walking. You're walking

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your dog on the on the street, and your dog just wants to go

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say hello to everybody. He's the
social butter fly, and a lot of

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people would be annoyed. I'll just
like yank on de lesi and say no,

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no, no no, we're walking, like let's go. But maybe

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you've got a little therapy dog on
your hand who just brings joy to everyone's

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life. And if you embrace this
and maybe bring your dog to nursing homes

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or hospitals or schools, even to
be around children. So many dogs now

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are learned teaching students children to read. So if you dare following your pets

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path wherever your pet wants to take
you, it's it's it's going to be

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it's gonna be beneficial for sure.
You got is so beautiful. I just

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met a friend who's got a really, really clever dog. His name is

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Nelson, and he's really got all
the personality of the town if you will,

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you know, piled into his small
little body, and he really could

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be like the mayor yes, there
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pig is a complete little vegan activist. And I did not realize this,

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but when I take him to the
beach, now I'm aware, But first

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few times I didn't know the rockets
we're going to create, because everybody,

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of course, just sees a pig
on the beach and they come running.

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And Wilbur is quite quite the character. So he sits for food and I'll

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always bring treats and so people can
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looks. He looks like he's yeah, he's the king. So people look

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at him and they melt, and
then the first thing that comes out of

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their mouth is, oh my god, I will never eat bacon or ham

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again. And I was like,
wow, not see this coming. Wilbur,

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you do it, my friend.
This is awesome. He can do

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it better than I can. They
wouldn't believe or listen to me, but

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to him, like, oh my
god, they will never eat vacan or

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him after they meet Wilburg. It's
that so fantastic. Oh my gosh,

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you too need to travel more often
together. I know, I know,

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we do. We need to set
around now country. If you get him

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on a plane. Let me know, could be I want to be I

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want to see that, and I
will make a stop in Texas for sure,

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please. Okay. Well, the
second part of that question, then,

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is if you're talking about being able
to help discover your your pet's life

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mission, then how does knowing that
help us grow as humans? Because we're

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embracing the unknown and it's a very
scary thing for all of us. You

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know, we like to have it
all figured out and stick to the plan

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of living. But I will tell
you that all the most amazing things that

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have happened in my life happened.
They were not planned. They were not

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planned by me, and I had
to surrender. And just like what Wilbur's

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doing to me, and now he's
making me think about, okay, how

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can we touch more lives? You
know, he's taking me on this journey

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that I have no clue where we're
going, but I want to go with

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them because he's so inspiring. And
so when your pet is taking you on

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a journey again that you did not
plan, embrace those amazing teachings that are

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coming your way because you will be
put out of your comfort zone, but

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you will grow, You will learn
things that you never wanted to learn,

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that you didn't think about even and
then you're going to look back and say,

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wow, look at me. You
know, I've come such a long

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way. And now you take your
pet. Two, Yeah, nursing homes

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and next thing you know, you're
building a course for these people are surrounded,

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you know, around your dog and
the teachings of your dog, and

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you see how what this dog is
doing to these people, and your dog

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is prolonging these people's lives because of
the joy he's bringing. And then it's

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taking you to a whole other life
chapter that you're going to write a book

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about it. You know, it's
snowballing and you feel so good about yourself

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and you're being more fulfilled. It
feeds your soul. And you didn't even

408
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know anything about this, but your
pet took you there, and you they

409
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are going with your pets so beautiful. I can truly appreciate that stepping into

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the unknown from myself and so now
adding another component of the pet coming along

411
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as well, that's a whole other
level love that. Okay, one other

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questions I think we have time for
before the break maybe two. I found

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complete resonance in my own work with
logo therapy, existential health and crisis and

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my research and consulting and meeting and
purpose with your statement that you say boredom,

415
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lack of stimulation, and lack of
fulfillment are also common causes of illness

416
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among people and animals. I know
how that shows up in the psychic space,

417
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But how say more from your vantage
point. I see a lot of

418
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indoor cats, for example. You
know that we don't let them go outside

419
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for safety reason. You know,
we don't want them to get heard outside.

420
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.559
But they are so bored to death
literally that they will develop diseases.

421
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They are not fulfilled. Their body
shuts down, just like their mind.

422
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So that's the biggest example. You
know, it's a balance, and we

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need to find ways to feed the
animals souls one way or another, it

424
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varies. Each animal is very unique
and what's going to make them feel good.

425
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.799
I have a cat who loves music, and I have a cat who

426
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.559
need to go outside, And if
he doesn't spend time outside hearing the birds

427
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.480
and feeling the grass onder his speed, he's miserable and you can tell he's

428
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.039
really grumpy, and that's not good. And in the course, in the

429
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human space and the work that I
do. That all that that boredom and

430
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.240
lack of simulation shows up in the
existential vacuum, right, and that's where

431
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:23.240
we see all this depression and people
doing create you numbing out with alcohol and

432
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.279
drugs, and it's it's that's how
it shows up there. So that that

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statement, that part of your book
just really sprung out to me. That's

434
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.359
just so important to talk about and
help our listeners who have animals to understand,

435
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.039
Yes, safety might might be nice, but is it really helping you

436
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:44.559
your animal? Yeah, okay,
one more thing before we go on break

437
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our next break here, you also
went on another thing that that grabbed me.

438
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As you say, see you,
if you are not on a path

439
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of fulfilling your life mission, you
will eventually receive a wake up call and

440
00:29:55.599 --> 00:30:00.599
hopefully you'll you will recognize it.
So I think all of our listeners,

441
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.319
especially though seeking their purpose, might
find this hopeful but also concerning if they

442
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.839
somehow miss this. So for me, my own wake up call was my

443
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.880
divorce. I mean, I was
not being true to myself, doctor Joanne,

444
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and I knew it at the time. I knew I was not living

445
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.200
to my full potential. And I
hated myself for it. So that was

446
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.000
my wake up call. And I
think my ex husband so much for making

447
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.519
the call because it was the right
call. But tell us more about about

448
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.599
this path of fulfilling on your life
mission that you're talking about. Like you

449
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.759
said, you won't miss your your
call or your wake up call if you

450
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.079
stay in your heart, if you
stay true to yourself. So when anything

451
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:42.799
feels wrong, don't dismiss that feeling
inside. And that's mainly what it is.

452
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:47.680
You know, we tend to let
our brain make the call when our

453
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:48.880
heart says, oh no, this
is not good for me, this is

454
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.240
toxic for me, even and so
and then you know, I don't believe

455
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:57.920
in coincidences. Things happen, signs
of guidance, synchronicities, things happen in

456
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:02.680
life. And it starts being subtle, but then it can get bigger,

457
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.880
like an illness or like you lose
your job, and just pick up on

458
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.880
those things and instead of again,
don't feel defeated, look at it as

459
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.240
what's the blessing here? What's the
lesson? And I how can I move

460
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:21.799
on with this and really turn it
into my advantage because it will it's worth

461
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:26.319
listening to and you know you'll achieve
a better situation. I see life as

462
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.279
a book like a series of chapters, and chapters will end. So recognize

463
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:34.359
that when the end, when you
know the universe somehow is pushing you to

464
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:40.279
move into a different state. Or
don't resist and don't resist and don't dismiss,

465
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:44.160
and you'll be aware of your designs
are there if you just pay attention.

466
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:45.720
And it's really simple. And again
they'll get bigger for you, so

467
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.160
they'll become more obvious. Just look
at them straight in the face and don't

468
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:53.319
be scared. Just think about me. And Elie has gone through a lot.

469
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.799
I mean it's tough. It's tough, but it's worth it. And

470
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:59.440
you are worthy. You know,
you have to choose your own life and

471
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.640
say, okay, I'm worth fighting
for my happiness here. And absolutely it

472
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:08.200
was a very worthwhile journey. I'm
so grateful, so grateful. All right

473
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.880
with that, let's take our last
break. I'm Elise Cortez, your host

474
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.279
with her on the ear of doctor
Joanne Lefevre. She's a veterinarian promoting intuitive

475
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.559
medicine and she joined today from Florida. After the break, we're going to

476
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.680
get into what we can learn from
animals to become better individuals and collective humans.

477
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:34.440
Stay with us, We'll be right
back. Alis Cortes is a speaker

478
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:39.000
and engagement and development catalyst. She
designs and delivers professional development, leadership and

479
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:44.960
engagement workshops and can bring her expertise
to your organization. She will help ignite

480
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:50.519
meaningful development within your workforce that will
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481
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.839
To learn more or to invite Elise
to speak to your organization, please visit

482
00:32:53.839 --> 00:33:00.480
her at www dot Elisecortes dot com. She would welcome the opportunity to help

483
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:09.960
get your employees working on purpose.
This is working on purpose with Elise Cortes.

484
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:15.440
To reach our program today, send
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485
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Aleascortes dot com. Now back to
working on purpose. Thanks for staying with

486
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.559
us, and welcome back to working
on purpose. If you're just tuning in,

487
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:30.559
my guess is doctor Juan Lefebre.
She has a veterinarian promoting intuitive medicine

488
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.960
and she guides families in tuning in
with their pets, themselves, nature in

489
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.400
the universe to make better medical decisions. Doctor Joanne is the author of animal

490
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:43.000
teachings from Haley's Angels Methods. I'm
your host, Alis Cortes, So for

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00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.960
this last section here, I really
want to talk about the kinds of lessons

492
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:50.799
that we can learn from animals become
better people. And the very first thing

493
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.400
I want to talk about is there's
a lot I've heard some people say,

494
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:59.839
just emphatically and definitively, that animals
don't have emotions. I always believe that

495
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.759
they do, especially having pats of
my own. So how might you persuade

496
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.759
someone who really does not believe this
that is so? And how do you

497
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:12.159
know that they have emotions? You
know all the animals that I have been

498
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.360
around, so I'll give you examples. One of our cats is definitely in

499
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:21.480
tune with us emotionally. So when
we're having a bad day, he'll just

500
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.519
come be with us, next to
us, and he'll just extend his foot

501
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:29.199
and put it on our hands and
just like, hey, I'm here,

502
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:35.440
don't worry, I'll make the better
for you. The amount of grieve that

503
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.760
I see from animals when they lose
a loved one, whether it's a human

504
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:45.639
or an animal, they will grieve, you know, they get really distraught,

505
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.679
They get really sad when they lose
a good friend. They will visit

506
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.400
their grave if they have the opportunity. Some animals like cows, you know,

507
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.079
will grieve. We'll go to the
grave like for a couple of weeks

508
00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:00.199
if they have the opportunity. There's
so many stories along those lines that I

509
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:06.440
have seen. I went to help
two dogs at the same home two different

510
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.760
times, and they have a little
bunny. They are named Teter Todd and

511
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:15.800
Teter Todd. Both times was sitting
next to the dying one, and he

512
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.280
never got afraid of me. He
was there to bring his moral support.

513
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.840
I mean, it was just amazing
to see the connection. They understand what's

514
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.880
going on. They do well.
I'll tell you just briefly. When I

515
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.719
lived in Rio di Jenira, Brazil
from ninety one to ninety three, and

516
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.480
I had several animals down there.
One of them was a Siamese cat and

517
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.960
I called it Dondoca, which means
pretty lady. And I got these two

518
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.880
little kittens, new kittens, and
she was so jealous, Doctor Joanne.

519
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.679
She wanted a hunger strike. And
I took Rid at the bed and he

520
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.320
said, has someone been beating this
animal? I said no, most certainly

521
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.719
not. And he said, are
there new pets, new animals in the

522
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:53.559
home. I said, yes,
of course, I've got these two new

523
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:59.239
little cats. He goes, well, yes, heartbreak, definite heartbreak.

524
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.519
Yeah, she just soulk around the
house. I had to. I had

525
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.639
to show her again that I loved
her, and then she was fine.

526
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.519
Yes, I see that often.
Absolutely, And if you want to see

527
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:13.360
happy dogs come to my house.
When I say the word ride, who

528
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.280
wants to go for a ride?
You will see the happiest dogs on earth.

529
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.239
My god, we cannot say that
word unless we have the keys in

530
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.719
our hands ready to get out the
door, because these dogs are going to

531
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.159
go completely nuts, right with Wilburt
running right behind them, for sure.

532
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.840
Yes, just honking away and just
yeah, let's do it. Bark bark

533
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.880
and spinning around the house. And
oh they they're full of life and emotions.

534
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.679
There's no doubt there. Yeah.
So to that, and further,

535
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:39.559
there's a couple more things I want
to I want to dig on that.

536
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:47.280
You say that animals are the best
teachers. Why they have never failed me

537
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.639
or disappointed me? Since I was
young, I always had the why questions?

538
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.480
You know, my my mom,
I did not know what to answer

539
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.119
me. It's like, well,
why is this? Why is that?

540
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.280
And animals have always answered all my
questions and still do today. When I

541
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:06.519
look at society and you know,
all the difficulties that the world is going

542
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.599
through, and I look at the
animals, I look at them act and

543
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:15.480
behave, and it makes sense.
They always have the answers and we should

544
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.960
really listen to them. The world
would be a better place. I completely

545
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.760
agree. And I already introduced my
pets from my elementary school year, Sugarfoot

546
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.840
to my horse and my sixteen cats, and I just want to share that

547
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.880
for me, those animals really enriched
my life, and they taught me so

548
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.079
much about the world that I lived
in and helped me become more of who

549
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.519
who I was and wanted to become. And they taught me about respect and

550
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:44.920
relationship. I had to earn their
relationship, earn their trust, earn them

551
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.960
being with me, and that elicited
something from me. And I know you

552
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.519
understand that, doctor Joanne, but
it really it was so enriching and so

553
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.079
powerful. And then just the care, the ongoing care that it took to

554
00:37:55.400 --> 00:38:00.639
take care of them, that taught
me something too about discipline, about you

555
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:07.320
know, being of service and doing
something for someone else. Absolutely, I'm

556
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.000
so grateful that you have experienced that
as well, because it's they make us

557
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.960
so rich. You know, those
experiences are worth billions of dollars. I

558
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:21.840
mean, nothing will replace the bond
with an animal. Yeah, I completely

559
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:24.880
agree. And so just and to
that end, one of the things that

560
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:30.760
I'm really fascinated and with regard to
philosophy is one I am interested in the

561
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.320
idea of Now I've just lost the
term for it. I'll get to it

562
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.639
a second, but it's the idea
that we really can understand and embrace both

563
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.880
genders. So whatever that term is, I'll get to in a second.

564
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.239
The other one that I really want
to get to for this conversation is this

565
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.159
is if we can as humans to
let go of this idea that humans are

566
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:55.960
the center of the universe, right, that this anthropocentric perspective, And so

567
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.679
part of that, I think is
if we can start to recognize what we

568
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:02.960
can learned from from animals and that
they do have emotions, they and now

569
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.800
to now you're teaching us that they
even have a purpose and a path that

570
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.679
they're they're they're they're navigating. That
opens up a whole new space for so

571
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.519
many people, myself included. So
just a couple of lessons I wanted to

572
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:22.000
dive into here. You say that
animals teach us unconditional love? What else?

573
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.440
Tell us more about what can what
we learn from animals? They have

574
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:32.199
given me and I see how they
give others what people fail at giving to

575
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:40.239
one another, which is being present, unconditionally loving someone through thick and thin.

576
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:44.800
You know, we all make mistakes, and we need to be supported

577
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.079
and forgiven. You know, animals
are always there supporting us and forgiving us

578
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.079
and waiting, just being patient for
us to figure things out. We are

579
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.960
definitely not the center of the universe. I agree with you. I think

580
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.440
animals might be. So we need
to look up to them and be good

581
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.440
students. Know, they don't judge
us. They keep everything simple. They're

582
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:09.519
so authentic and honest and just genuine. They're just they're just themselves, you

583
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.920
know. They show their true colors, and they keep everything simple in life,

584
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.159
and they make us play. They
remind us to keep it fun.

585
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.800
You know, life should be fun. We should be silly. We should

586
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:24.559
go play outside and laugh, you
know, laugh a lot. We should

587
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:28.639
look at the bright side. Of
life always and be grateful, have a

588
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.760
lot of gratitude for what is instead
of complaining about what's not and this,

589
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.079
and you know, we get really
we bum each other out a lot humans,

590
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:43.559
so animals will help us be more
like, be more balanced like they

591
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.360
are, and to slow down,
take time to live and enjoy, enjoy

592
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:52.760
life. One of the things I
stumbled across as I was preparing for this

593
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.679
conversation. And I don't know,
I don't know what the research is behind

594
00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:00.519
this, but I do want to
share it because it's fascinating and it goes

595
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.559
back to again trying to get away
from that anthropocentric viewpoint. But I read

596
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:08.079
that dolphins call each other by name, and elephants comfort upset friends, which

597
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:13.679
I believe I did understand, and
primates use tools and other kinds of things

598
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:19.039
to be able to navigate their world. And those sound remarkably like human sorts

599
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.880
of things that people might be surprised
at, do you know, Yeah,

600
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:27.000
yeah, there's harder than we give
them credit. I've heard that, Yeah,

601
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.519
I've heard about all of those things. That the dolphins have so many

602
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.400
sounds. They're one of the smartest
animals. They have so many different sounds.

603
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:37.559
Like they have their own language.
So yeah, yeah, we don't

604
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.400
give them enough credits. They are
amazing. One of the things I like

605
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.719
about that, and again that one
of my reasons for wanting to have you

606
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.360
on the show is part of what
I when I'm out working with executives and

607
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:51.559
teams to be able to help them
discover and for their develop their meaning,

608
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.760
their passion, their inspiration, and
their purposes. Is to get them more

609
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:58.039
present to the magic of the world
around us. That just opens a new

610
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.559
space for them and it changed forces
their mental models to change to accommodate that

611
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:05.599
experience. So that's part of what
I'm trying to do when I'm working with

612
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them. And so one of the
things that you said that I think is

613
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quite interesting here is if we can
start to really experience animals as the gifts

614
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and teachers that they are to us, that would certainly change our mental model

615
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:23.280
absolutely. And it's easy. You
know, when I tell adult, go

616
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:30.000
back to being a child inside,
and that's where animals are in their heart,

617
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:31.880
and that's where children are in our
hearts. You know, when you're

618
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young, you don't care about what
other people are going to think, or

619
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.239
you're afraid of being a certain way. No, you just you're so passionate

620
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.679
about what's the potential that you have, what wants to come out of you,

621
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:45.840
what you love, you know,
and you go with that and yeah,

622
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:51.000
that's really the way to be.
Well. Another thing that you mentioned

623
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:52.800
in one of our exchanges too,
though, what we can also learn is

624
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:58.639
just the honesty, authenticity, being
genuine, just showing your true colors.

625
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.920
Say more about that. How do
we learn that from animals? You'll know

626
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.000
you know this well. I see
how animals are the best judge of characters.

627
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:08.920
They will people tell me, oh, yeah, my dog, I

628
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:12.480
should not I should have listened to
him. He did not like my ex

629
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:19.039
girlfriend or my ex boyfriend. You
know, they are just simply telling us

630
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.360
as is. And in the hospital
the same thing. You know. I'm

631
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.000
very very respectful of patients and I
try to work with them. We're trying

632
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.519
to have this dialogue of Okay,
I need to help you, but it

633
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.960
might hurt a little bit, and
and I want them to tell me how

634
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.519
they feel. And they always keep
me abreast of what's going on, so

635
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.920
I know always where I stand with
an animal. There is an open communication

636
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.360
with people. You don't know where
you stand. You know, they'll tell

637
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.280
you one thing, they'll think the
other. So I I do. I

638
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.360
do have more animal friends than people
friends. For that reason, the trust

639
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.960
is there. Yeah, I appreciate
that you're making me think of something I

640
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.760
want to ask you do you're doing, and that is do you do you

641
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:06.760
believe or that different people have different
abilities to connect with and understand animals more

642
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.360
so than others. I think we
were all born with intuition, let's call

643
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:14.400
it that. You know, children
are very intuitive again because they are in

644
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:19.280
their heart. But then as we
grow older, our brain takes over.

645
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.079
And that's what society is teaching us. You know, use your brain and

646
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.400
you'll be smarter, you'll make better
decision. But I really find that,

647
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.880
no, we need our heart.
Obviously we need our brain, but we

648
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:36.679
need our heart to keep that connection
because often our brain fails at making good

649
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.559
decisions or we don't have enough knowledge
for the brain to make a decision.

650
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:44.800
So when we go back in our
heart and feel our way through life and

651
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:49.119
understand the animals or wildlife, you
know, I've gotten a lot of messages

652
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.800
from nature, from wildlife. When
I'm about to make a bad decision with

653
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:58.039
my brain, you know I came
across a rattlesnake once in Arizona and he

654
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.800
had a message for me. Believe
me, he made me rethink a lot

655
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.800
of things that we're going wrong in
my brain at that time. So I

656
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.960
stay in tune with all that you
are, all that your body has to

657
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.719
offer, and that includes the heart, so you can really feel your way

658
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.519
and make better decisions. That is
beautiful, doctor Joan, And I will

659
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:22.400
say I completely echo this notion of
the intuitive intelligence, and I think more

660
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.719
and more people are starting to embrace
how important and powerful that is. And

661
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.320
it's certainly not something to just to
sort of shooeshoo. But I know Steve

662
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:35.159
Jobs talked about it in his career, and I do more and more see

663
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.440
that being in tune with that is
so critical. And the reason I asked

664
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:43.719
the question about it, if you
thought more people it could be connected with

665
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:47.000
animals is my daughter of sixteen has
never met an animal that doesn't just love

666
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.360
her. I mean, she can
walk into a room and they just find

667
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.519
her. They just they're on her. And I think part of it is

668
00:45:54.679 --> 00:46:00.360
she's just got this really beautiful,
soft, appreciative energy about her. Yes,

669
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:07.559
and it will shape her next next
step in life or her career path

670
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.760
also, I'm sure so that is
wonderful. Yes, animals do pick up

671
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:17.360
on who where we're at in our
openness, let's say. And I like

672
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:22.800
it when animals will pick on the
people who hate animals. You know,

673
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:28.960
this one cat will just relentlessly jump
on this one person slab who does not

674
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:30.760
care about animals. And I've seen
it, you know, I laugh because

675
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.079
I know that, Oh, give
this a few weeks, few months,

676
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.880
not even you know, a few
days, and then this person is completely

677
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.519
changed. It's like, oh my
god, I can't live without this cat

678
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:45.440
anymore. He's my cat. Yeah, he picked me. One of the

679
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:50.119
other things too that I that I
read that might also fit along with what

680
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.960
you're up to, is I read
that this what we can also learn from

681
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:57.599
animals is to live lightly because animals
live in tune with the planet and they

682
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:01.039
can serve resources. What do you
think about that? Absolutely, we don't

683
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:06.000
need all this stuff. We're always
you know, buying too much, and

684
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.559
it makes me sad because sustainability is
huge for me. I try to recycle

685
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:14.559
and reduce, you know, what
I buy. I try not to buy

686
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.599
anything really, So when when you
look at the animals and how little they

687
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:22.320
need. I'm not even comfortable anymore, like in my own house being in

688
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.320
between four walls. You know,
I'd rather sit outside in the grass.

689
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:31.159
So I love it because it's healing. To science. Science science has proven

690
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.920
that grounding, touching the earth is
healing. It's actually really healing for the

691
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:42.480
body. And some babies got healed
from their colleges. And so I love

692
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:46.000
to just go be outside with the
bare minimum and do like the animals do,

693
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:52.000
and that is truly the way to
live. I agree. That's beautiful.

694
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.400
Well, here we are at the
end, just say in about fifteen

695
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.079
twenty seconds, started to doing what
would you like to leave our listeners with.

696
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.920
There is only one person like you, so go for it. Do

697
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.440
everything you want to do in your
life. Lives each day like it's your

698
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.239
first day here and also like it's
your last day, and share your gifts

699
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.199
with the world. You can do
it. That's beautiful that, doctor Joanne.

700
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.760
I'm so glad we found each other. I so appreciate that you reached

701
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.800
out and here we are. I
got to share you with my listeners and

702
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.760
listeners. If you do want to
learn more about doctor Joanne, you can

703
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.639
look at her website. It's hayleysanngels
dot com. Let me spell that for

704
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:35.320
you, It's h a Y l
e y s angels dot com. Last

705
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.639
week, if you missed the show
live, you can always catch it via

706
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.119
recorded podcast. We were on the
air with resilience coach Karen Millsap and she

707
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.239
shared her incredible story confronting a series
of traumatic events in her late twenties that

708
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.400
allowed her to dig deep in her
soul to turn her life completely around,

709
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.320
and now how she helps others to
do the same. It was an amazing

710
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.039
conversation. Next week, we'll be
on the air with Crystal don Gorel.

711
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:00.280
Her superpower is to the preserver of
precious memories, and she's helping people create

712
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:05.880
compelling personal brands that align with their
purposeful lives, especially as they emerge into

713
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:07.719
a different space. See you there. Remember that work is at least a

714
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:15.519
third of our life, So let's
work on purpose. We hope you've enjoyed

715
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:20.199
this week's program. Be sure to
tune in to Working on Purpose featuring your

716
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:24.960
host Alis Cortes, each week on
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find your life's purpose at work