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What's working on Purpose? Anyway? Each week we ponder the
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answer to this question. People ache for meaning and purpose
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at work, to contribute their talents passionately and know their
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lives really matter. They crave being part of an organization
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that inspires them and helps them grow into realizing their
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highest potential. Business can be such a force for good
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in the world, elevating humanity. In our program, we provide
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guidance and inspiration to help usher in this world we
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all want Working on Purpose. Now, here's your host, doctor
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Elise corte Us.
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Welcome back to the Working on Purpose program, which has
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been brought to you with passion and price since February
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of twenty fifteen. Thanks for being with us. I'm your host,
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Doctor Release Cortes. If we've not met and you don't
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know me, I'm an organizational psychologist and logo therapist, speaker
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and author. My team and I at Gusto Now help
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a dynamic, high performance culture and inspirational leadership activated by
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meaning and purpose. You can learn more about how we
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can work together at gustodashnow dot com or my personal
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getting In today's program, we have with us SHOCKT. Dudley,
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who has established herself as a trusted transformational leadership consultant,
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intuitive life coach, and spiritual guide offering a holistic approach
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to authentic, conscious leadership and life mastery. Also with us
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as Alan Prushan, a season professional with over thirty five
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years of experience in sales, management, leadership and consulting, and
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is a business mystic, blending experience, skills and wisdom to
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disrupt the thinking and stir the souls of leaders. We'll
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be talking about their work together helping to cultivate enlightened leaders.
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Alan and Shocktee, welcome to Working on Purpose.
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Thank you, Thank for having us.
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So great to have you on the other side of
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my mic. I loved reminiscing with both of you about
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our work together some years ago when we were all
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together at a consulting company. And that is where I
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like to say I picked you up along the way
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in life.
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Very terrible exp.
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It's really it's an amazing thing to sing called life.
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So happy to have you here and get to talk
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about what you're doing together. It's so great. So we'll
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get into that. But because our listeners and viewers don't
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know you the way that I do, let's have you
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each to share a little bit about your background and
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then what brought you together for this new venture.
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All right, Well, I've been in the field of transformational
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leadership for forty five years now, and for thirty of
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those forty five years I really worked on a separate
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path to work with clients in their spirituality, and I
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have been looking and searching for a way to bring
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those two together, leadership and spirituality. And a few years ago,
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through Alan's and my relationship and working together on other things,
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I just had this vision of that union between spirituality
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and leadership. Started to talk to Alan about it, and
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here we've went to work on it two years ago
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and here we are launching the Enlightening leaders Journey.
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It's fantastic, very exciting.
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Yeah, so my path is a little different, you know.
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I've spent my whole career working with the c suite
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literally from the CFO, the CIO to the to the CEO,
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and I have a very you know, global mindset, view
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of the world. And while I have some similar training
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in background to Shokti, I have also spent a fair
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amount of time in leadership development. So when Shocte came
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to me with this idea about integrating what we call
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the oneness of spirit and leadership, it was a natural
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for me to say yes to because you know, I'm
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very much like many of the people that we endeavored
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to serve inso much as they are our business focused
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first and the spiritual side has oftentimes been in the backseat.
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Well, I'm going to comment on that in just a
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second here of it. Before I get into that, I
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do want to have you presence what you are doing
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together at Enlightening leaders and how that really came to be.
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Why Why aren't we called, I don't know, Majestic leaders
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or something like that. Why Enlightening leaders.
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Well, we really looked very consciously, and you know, us
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the least, we're very very conscious and aware of language
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and the power that language and the energy that language contains.
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So we looked at enlightened leadership. We looked at all
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kinds of names, but we really wanted an adjective that
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had it be alive and present in the moment enlightening leaders,
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So enlighten enlightenment it really points.
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To obtaining you've obtained a.
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Certain level of wisdom in your spirituality, and it enlightens
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your path and enlightens your way. And we wanted enlightening
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leaders to really be about reawakening the oneness in today's
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leaders and shifting consciousness from separation to oneness and bringing
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that to leaders because we see that it's time to
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see spirituality in leadership as one and not as separate.
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M The only thing I've add to that, Alise, is
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we were very intentional, as shocked he said, to use
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the word enlightening versus enlightened. And the reason for that
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is the more one pursues being enlightened or enlightenment where
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they realize there's a gap from where they are to
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where they could be. So we never actually attain ENLiGHT
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being enlightened. You know, it's that It almost from my
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own personal experience. The more I see myself as becoming
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enlightened or you know, experience enlightenment, the more I realize
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how much further I have to go? Right right?
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What self actualization? Absolutely? Yeah, never ending ceiling if you.
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Will, exactly, And we didn't want people to believe there
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was a place to get to.
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Okay, I like that, you know, I like that. Now
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is let me hear you say a little bit about why,
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what your perspective is on why you think the world
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needs more enlighten leaders. And I think even I'm starting
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to sense that you you feel like people are ready
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for this or maybe wanting this. So what is it
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that's what's what's happening in the world that makes you
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think we need more of these enlighten leaders? And I
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tend to agree, by the way, Well, I'll start that.
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I mean, if you look at what the societal changes
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that are actually impacting our world today, you know, with
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the impact that social media has and that the small
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person has a bigger voice than they ever had before,
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what you can see is that people are clamoring for change,
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whether it's the LGBTQ community or you know, the me
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Too movement or other marginalized groups in society and in
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the workplace. People wanting to be in environments that are
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representative of who they are, what they're about, and as
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you pointed out in the in the heading of your show,
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is being up to something bigger than themselves. It requires
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a different type of leader to lead people that are
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interested in that right, and whether even when we look
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at like the wars that are going on around the
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world and how people are aligning with different groups of
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people in those spaces, they're actually saying the status quo
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and how we've dealt with these things in the past
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is no longer acceptable. And so what that means is
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the leaders need to change. So you could say it's
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being forced upon the leaders from the bottom up.
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Yeah, well said, that's quite insightful. Insightful, and I do
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agree with that. And what's amazing to me in this
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wonderful arena called Working on a Purpose podcast is I
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have had several guests on my podcast over the last
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several years, so there's a coalescence around this idea. I mean,
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just recently, I've had Steve Ferrell on my program and
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he is all about this idea of oneness and they
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started this organization called Humanities Team. It's all about celebrating
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and embracing the idea of oneness. Just a couple of
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weeks ago, I had yoc amrem On and he's all
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about spiritually intelligent leadership. The last chapter of my last book,
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The rib realization is on spiritual intelligence in the workplace.
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I mean, so I'm just seeing more and more people
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who are coming to very similar ideas about what they
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want from themselves, for the world, for their organizations, and
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I'm very encouraged by that, as are we.
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And the other thing that I would say to add
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on to what you've both just said is that if
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we look at what's happening in the world, of course,
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in organizations, in families, in relationships, particularly with leadership around
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the world, the consciousness of humanity right now is one
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of separation, and that consciousness is causing an enormous amount
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of suffering. So there's a growing demand for spirituality in
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both our personal and professional realms, and leaders and employees
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are alike, and people in their lives are seeking deeper
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meaning and connection in their work in their lives, and
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they're yearning, they're yearning for an awakening to happen, to
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shift out of consciousness and into oneness. And that's going
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to require a profound rethinking of what leadership means and
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how it's practiced.
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Mm hm.
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You know one of the things that I find amazing,
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So I know we do similar work together, so it's
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just it's a sacred thing to get to do this
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kind of work with people, you know, to be in
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that tender space with people on their level, under their
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journey of development. And at the same time, what I'm
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very primy to is that many people overestimate how well
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developed they are. In fact, I have something I do
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in my workshops now. I have a brand new book
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coming out later next probably next year, and a course
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along with it. It's really about nurturing higher consciousness and
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deeper emotions, and so I use David Hawkins's Map of
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Consciousness to be able to kick that course off. And
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I asked fordispants to guess where they think they are
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from zero to one thousand on that keeping in mind
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that the average to well a few years ago he
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would say it was two hundred and seven. People tend
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to estimate that they're at four hundred or five hundred,
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and it's amazing, right. So it's just there's so much
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work to be done and so much opportunity. So could
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you speak to this notion of there's there's opportunity and
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that people do tend to overestimate just how far along
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they are.
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So it's an very interesting thing.
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You point to, and it actually points back to something
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that we just spoke about, which is the more we
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pursue something, the more we realize how far far away
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we are from what it is that we're pursuing. Right, So,
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I think what you're pointing to is really the difference
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between you know, somebody who's not necessarily as it relates
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to this conversation all that much on an enlightening journey
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of their own. They just think they are. And so
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for us, we really this offering, this community that we're
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creating is really focused on senior leaders who already recognize
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that they have a strong connection to spirit and have
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their own spiritual journey that they're on, and yet they
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feel that they can't integrate it with their leadership. It
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seems like they're separate and distinct from each other. And
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that might be because of how we were raised in
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the corporate world, you know, in an old paradigm, and
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that these things shouldn't intermix. And so the people that
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end up, you know, engaged in the conversation that Chocdy
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and I are engaged in here with this enlightening leader's journey,
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are really people that are already on a journey and Chucky,
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and I can think about a client that we work
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with right now who literally says his calling is being
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a servant leader, and he is, there's no question about it,
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and yet there's still a very large gap for him,
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right So I don't think that in his case, he
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would overscore himself because he engages with us, he works
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with us, he recognizes there's a big gap for him
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to cover.
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And so.
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I think it's more a function of people who aren't
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necessarily on that path that would likely overscore themselves than
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people are already on the path.
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Yeah, that makes complete sense, complete sense. Now for our
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listeners and viewers are maybe new to this whole idea