The Defiant Power of the Human Spirit to Turn Darkness into Light

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
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People ache for meaning and purpose at
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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
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on purpose. Now. Here is
your host, doctor Elise Cortes. Welcome

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back to the Working on Purpose Program. Thanks for tuning in again this week.

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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes. Jing. You live from Dallas,

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or gustoshnaw dot com. With us
today is Rabbi doctor Baruk Halev aka Rabbi

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B, who is co founder and
executive director of Soul Centered at Denver,

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Colorado based Center for Spirituality, Meaning
and Healing. He is a local therapist,

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niagraham coach, inspirational author, motivational
speaker, and serial social entrepreneur,

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having co founded numerous social enterprise startups. Today, Rabbi B primarily focuses on

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his work as a local therapist That's
Meaning Center Psychotherapy, working with clients to

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discover deeper meaning in their lives,
create a purpose in their work, and

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living a life of what his teacher, doctor Victor Frankel, calls the defiant

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power of spirit, the subject of
his forthcoming book, The Devinant Spirit.

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I'll be talking today about how his
various life experiences have helped develop him and

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prepared him to do the work he
does today. Learned how he helps develop

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his clients, as well as the
various expressions of his passionate purpose across his

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life. He tent today from Denver, Colorado. Rabbi B. Welcome to

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working on Purpose. Thanks, doctor
Release. It's an honor and privilege to

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be on a show that I've tried
to listen to hundreds of episodes, which

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which is really amazing and our listeners
and viewers. I want to share with

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you that how I found this remarkable
man. We are both logo therapist.

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We were attending the twenty third Victor
Frankel World Congress where we're each presenting our

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work, and when I heard him
share what he was doing, I absolutely

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immediately while he was talking, reached
out to him on LinkedIn. I said,

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Hey, want to connect, want
to talk to you. Let's let's

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make it happen. So, Rabbi
B, it's really really an honor to

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have you on the show. Well, the feelings mutual and I felt the

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same way you presented, and logo
therapy has so much off of the world,

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it's just not quite presented as well
as it needs to be. And

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then here came doctor Elise with your
amazing presentation, and I thought so much

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collaboration around conscious capitalism and logo therapy, so we can't go wrong. Yeah,

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exactly right, great mix, a
great stew between us. Right.

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All right, Well, let's start
with what you're doing today and then kind

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of work a little bit backwards because
I really want to share with our listeners

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the work that you're doing today,
and then I want to kind of peel

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back where it came from and why
it came to be, how we got

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this person, Rabbi B. So, first if you would tell us what

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you and your wife is it Aliyah
Ariella Ariela are doing through Soul Centered.

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Help us understand what are you two
doing together? First? It's fantastic you

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can work together as a team.
And what are you up to? Yeah,

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my father in law just calls us
A and B because he's not comfortable

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with the term, So amb are
just fine. But my own mother now

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calls me Rabbi B. I'm like, mom, call me so. Yes.

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We started Soul Centered here in Denver, Colorado about three years ago,

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just pre pandemic. Great time to
launch a business and helping people find meaning

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and resilience and purpose in life.
We had relocated here from Israel, where

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we had been living for quite some
time, and we came back here because

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born and raised in America and we're
in Israel for a while. I'm happy

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to talk about that later, but
really wanted to focus full time on helping

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people discover meaning in their lives.
For about twenty years, I've been an

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ordained rabbi, and about fifteen of
those years of congregational rabbi. And as

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much as I loved, you know, a kind of all of the extras

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that came along with being a rabbi, I was always primarily and passionately a

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counselor or a therapist, and so
I eventually I decided to do it full

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time. And my wife, Ariella, is a healer. She works in

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all kinds of alternative She does a
lot of generational healing with people, and

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so we thought, you know,
it's time for us to really partner.

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We've been married for twenty three years, so we've worked certainly as a partnership

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in the marital realm. Now we're
doing it as business partners and we work

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side by side her clients looking more
for healing mind looking for kind of direction,

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purpose and guidance. And established this
in Denver, Colorado to do just

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that, as you know, the
rest of the world, we rolled with

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it, we pivoted, as we
say, in the entrepreneurial world, and

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now we're almost exclusively like everybody else
online or by phone. Gorgeous. Yeah,

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so let's go back in time a
little. One of the things I

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love to do, Rabbi B.
Is to really understand how it does that

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people end up doing the work that
they do. And You've got a very

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very unique story, and it starts, you know, with what I maybe

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would call tragedy. You might call
it something else, but you know,

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you have the experience that you lost
both your grandmother and your father to suicide

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a long time ago. So I'm
interested in how those experiences set you on

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your path and what they taught you. Yes, thank you. I am

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very open about it. I wrote
a book, Sparks Sekres Morning with Meeting

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Living with Light. I know,
yes, I've got a copy. I've

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read it, covered it cover.
It's fantastic, it's so beautiful, and

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there's a few things I do want
to actually unpack with that. By the

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way, it's gorgeous, and I
just share that because I'm very comfortable with

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it. I actually made it a
point to share this story because I think

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we ended up in I ended up
at the center of this story because my

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family didn't share what I call the
dark silence of depression. I called them

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the dark days, divorced depression,
disease, death. These things were unspoken

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in my home and my community,
especially in the era you know. We

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grew up and my grandmother had always
struggled with depression, and we knew it.

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We just weren't allowed to name it. And as my wife taught me

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in her kind of spiritual realm,
if you can't name it, you can't

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tame it, and it ultimately will
devour you. I think of that song

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by Simon and Garfunkle, sound of
Silence, Silence like a cancer grows,

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and that's exactly what I watched in
my family's life. My grandmother disappeared into

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that silence, ultimately completing suicide when
I was fifteen. And I say that

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was tragedy, as you mentioned,
But it became tragedy what I call compounded

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because of the way my father dealt
with it, or didn't deal with it.

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He basically recreated her example, and
we didn't talk about it, we

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weren't allowed to address it, and
I watched my father slowly come undone over

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the next twenty years, and ultimately, following in his mother's footsteps, he

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threw away everything. He had,
a beautiful marriage, work, community,

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family, friends, and it just
got smaller and smaller. In loco therapy

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world, we call this reductionism.
His world just got reduced and pretty soon

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it was a nothing, and he
disappeared into the silence. And when I

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was in my thirties, he also
completed suicide, and I made a vow.

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I was a congregational rabbi at that
point, and I made a vow.

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You know, in the Holocaust.
After the Holocaust, we say never

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again, And that has a double
meaning for me. It means never again

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when we allow a genocide to happen
to anybody. But I will not allow

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a third generation to go down into
the silence without giving a voice. And

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so that really set me on my
mission to give voice not only to myself,

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but to the people I lead and
guide to find meaning in their lives.

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That's really the voice that I think
my father and gran and grandmother needed

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desperately, and they just couldn't find. One of the things that really attracts

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me to the work you're doing and
who you are as a human being is

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just the depth of your soul and
your experience that I just is so right

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there in the air with you,
And that's why I wanted to have you

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want air to share you with what
listeners and viewers across the world who desperately

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need your message and your touch.
Thank you so much. That's one of

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the reasons why I do love.
I'm working on purpose, and I don't

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just say that to patronize you.
I've really have listened to not all of

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them, but I'm working my way
down the list. Because my father was

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a business man. I mean,
that's how he defined himself. And then

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when he couldn't find what he was
in need of, he threw it away

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and he went on a search for
spirituality out there somewhere. And I see

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this a lot with business folks,
and I'd like to talk a little more

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about, you know, my journey
into the business world, because what I

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counsel especially business people to do,
is start where you stand, right,

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don't go looking for the spirituality the
answers out there. It's here. It's

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in his it was in his marriage, it was in his business, it

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was in his life. And he
just left behind. And you know,

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our teacher, doctor Victor Frankel,
talks a lot about responsibility and and that's

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a spiritual pathway if you start looking
at the responsibilities in your life. And

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I've just spent my adult life helping
responsible people find their meaning and their purpose

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in their life and not having to
leave it. Mm hm, Well,

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let's talk more about doctor Victor Frankle. He is our common denominator. You

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and I are both logo therapist and
I met him in ninety seven when I've

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started my PhD program, which is
interestingly enough, of course, when he

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was leaving us. That's when he
died the year. So how did you

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find doctor Victor Frankele and what does
his work mean to you? So I

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found him early on in my life. I was uninspired Jew. I think

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I speak for a lot of Jews
who grew up and just didn't speak to

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me. It was cultural identity,
but it wasn't a spiritual identity. I

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walked away exploring every other ism under
the sun, Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholic

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Mysticism, lots of different isms,
Hedonism, that one was fun. And

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I'm a spiritual mutt. I really
have had to draw best practice from wherever

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it comes from. I've never cared, but I think the best practice I've

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ever found was that little book Man
Search for Meaning. I can't remember how

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it got to me, but it
found its way to me, and I

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knew the moment I read it.
I found this kind of intersection of spirituality

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and psychology, and you know,
it's just hits. I've never met anybody

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that the book and the philosophy doesn't
resonate with right, anybody from all traditions.

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And I said I wanted to be
a part of that. I didn't

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know what to do with it.
I didn't know logo therapy was a thing,

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and so I continued down the Jewish
path. And then one day,

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maybe fifteen years later, I've heard
about logo therapy as a psychic therapy and

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actually a school of thought, and
I decided, about five years ago I

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really want to formally explore it and
become a logo therapist. And I would

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say I started about three years ago, and then you know, culminating relatively

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recently in the diplomat and logo therapy. But he's been a part of my

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journey for over two decades and although
I never met him. The most influential

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people in my life, I've never
met they most of them met for hundreds,

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if not thousands of years, and
they have been the most impactful of

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on my soul. And he's up
there, top of mind, fascinating.

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And then we go another level of
depth, or a few more levels of

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depth. And before I go to
that, just justct did you call yourself

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a spiritual month? I love that. That's fantastic. As spiritual, I'll

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take that all day long. I'm
equally as uncomfortable in everybody's tradition. That's

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fantastic. Well, one of the
things that you said when you presented,

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which is part of the reason I
so reached out to you, because I

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thought it was so incredibly compelling.
You know that I've officiated one wedding now

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and that was such a fantastic experience
for me. You have officiated over five

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hundred funerals, and you tell me
that you prefer doing them over weddings.

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So I can't imagine what you have
possibly learned through those experiences of being with

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five hundred families plus. So I'm
interested to learn just what has this experience

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taught you about humanity? About life. Yeah, good questions. I do

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want to contextualize. I prefer funerals
over weddings. It's in the sense that

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they're easier to tuture of mindset mediate
meaning. My job is in something get

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out of the way in a funeral
and to just create a framework for people

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to process the grief, the feelings. You know, with weddings, you

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have to create something out of nothing. In this day and age, most

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people have been married, even if
it's not on paper. They've been together

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for a year, two years,
three years, they've been living together,

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and so like, the centerpiece has
become hyper focused in the ice sculpture and

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the you know, the your dervs, and then the rabbi or the clergy

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is down the list somewhere, but
with a funeral, tragically, but we

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all have to go through it.
Ther derves don't aren't a thing, and

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the ice sculptures aren't a thing,
and nothing matters. It's all noise except

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for somebody to step into their life
and help them harness the meaning that's there,

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the meaning of moment, as our
teacher would say, and really just

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help them see it and process it
and not drink from the fire hose.

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But kind of turn it down so
they can process it. And that's infinitely

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easier as my role of a conductor
in that situation, So I prefer in

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that sense. It's the most humbling
experience I have ever known, to be

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invited in to tell somebody's story.
Here's a great cookroductor. At least you'll

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love this, teacher of mine,
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person dies to deaths once when their
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can become a guardian of their story. We can defy death. This is

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the defiant power of the human spirit. I've defied my father's death because my

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generation to generation. So to be
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in life. Oh that is so
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in while we take our very first
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in social entrepreneurship. Stay with us, We'll be right back. Doctor Release

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my book. It's called Purpose Ignited, How Inspiring Leaders Ignite passion and Elite

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I use the content as a basis
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Gusto programs. If you're just joining
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doctor barru Khalevi aka Rabbi b who
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speaker, and serial social entrepreneur,
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I'm your host doctor of vis Cortes
that's the good stuff happening in that.

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So the next thing I want to
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delightful. I know you are a
social entrepreneur and you've started several multiple cannabis

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companies. Now that's not something we
usually see in a rabbi bio Rabbi b

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so, so talk about that.
How did you get started in these venors

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and what do they mean to you? Yeah, I don't know what was

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harder breaking the news to my congregation
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out the cannabis industry. They both
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you know what? Did I hear
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When I was a rabbi congregational rabbi, I always felt like I was

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an entrepreneur trapped in a rabbi or
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I don't know, I guess felt
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I don't think it's a great business
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We're in the business of not making
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should be making profits if it can
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go spend those we can turn them
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create some financial viable model. I
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scraps off the table of you know, multi million billionaires who who you know?

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They didn't run their companies this way, and they wanted their synagogues,

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their nonprofits to be run in this
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didn't want to be a part of
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group of investors and said, can
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one of them said, I have
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Medical marijuana Massachusetts. That's a mouthful, and it was twenty fifteen. Where

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we can use this At the time, it was a nonprofit. That's how

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it was structured the REGs in Massachusetts. And so we said, let's figure

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this out. We raised some pretty
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now the second largest cannabis company in
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but we did so for the express
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synagogue for other nonprofits, and I
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Can we reimagine capitalism creating conscious capitalism
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and so many of your listeners.
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so I called it conscious cannabis because
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to watch the birth of an industry. Right, It's so exciting and it's

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changed. And part of that excitement
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it became so complicated with all the
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hard enough to start a business,
let along corral these guys to do the

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right thing during the process amidst the
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the cannabis industry. But more from
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equity, bringing social equity to an
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of the people who are in prison
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of the people who are making money
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are white males, and we have
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this opportunity. And so my second
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But both of those were amazing learning
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couple of things just wow. First, I love the creativity of it all.

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Talk about taking looking at a problem, going how can we fix this?

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I don't want to beg for dollars
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I do this differently? I think
that's brilliant. So you know who I

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get this from is not me.
It's from the Bible, right, It's

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from Jesus. It's from Abraham.
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are innovators. I mean, these
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Abraham and Sarah were the first the
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Islam. They're the first co founders. I mean, that's all it is.

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You read it. They call the
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ten times, he pivoted ten times, and it's just the entrepreneurial road map,

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which is why, by the way, Israel's called the startup nation because

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it's built on the ethos of entrepreneurial
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the salvation of the Jewish people allowed
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of years, and so you kind
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And there are more startups there per
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a reason, because this stuff is
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and our being and our Bible.
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Okay, And that raised me to
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is I think it's so delicious and
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man who is a is a social
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something you know, really dynamic,
that that that is is very scalable and

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impactful. So you're you know,
you're a you're a very innovative, creative

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businessman, and you have this still
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to to the people that you serve
to help them be able to find that

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meaning that you've been you've been talking
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That that that all exists in one
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thank you. Talk to my wife. She'll talk to you out of that.

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that's a very humbling experience to be
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know. Part of the reason I
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reb I be lots of reasons,
but you know, I do like to

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be able to bring on some really
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the nature of life and what do
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do we have available to us?
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people can can touch it the way
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get into some of your work that
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for our listeners. But before I
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to say something no, keep going
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because as you know, I read
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cover. I did that for yours
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your next one as well. But
I wanted to for our listener's presence a

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little bit of this text that you
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and then I'd like you to speak
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the importance of darkness and wandering.
People think that they want to avoid darkness,

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and you don't. You embrace darkness. So this is what you write

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for some of us when the darkness
descends, that is, we lose a

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loved one, we delude ourselves into
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will outpace it. We believe that
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we will drown in a sea of
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and definitely wandering in the darkness or
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to the thing that can bring healing, transformation, purpose, and even blessing.

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We lose the opportunity to discover the
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of grief. These sparks are waiting
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that we can carry them forward as
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life's light. I have come to
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most complicated experience we can confront and
one of the greatest teachers we will ever

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know. By touching our darkness,
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beautiful on mine. It's kabble lah
two thousand years old. That's kind of

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Cabbala Jewish mistances in one on one
I do so I'll take credit only for

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repackaging a really great package, and
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of Judaism. I think of all
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coming up upon with Honokhn Christmas,
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darkness through illuminating light. That's it. That's what the journey of grief is.

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the Jewish people afterwards. That's what
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you know, as doctor frankl says, make the defiant power of the human

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spirit stand, make your stand,
stand your ground right, and defy that

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darkness. And I really believe that
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do. And we just need to
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you're pounded with the grief, with
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not just with death. Like I
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through a divorce. Sometimes divorce can
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still here and you got to watch
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they just need a reminder to stand, make your stand, and defy your

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darkness. And it begins with the
spark. You know, you don't have

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to transform the world. There's a
great mystic cabalistic saying this says, a

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little light dispels a lot of darkness
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for my conversation with this person was, let's find one thing that's true,

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because divorce turned their world upside down
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everything. And so we found one
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their child, which was a product
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onto that spark, and then we
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that into a fire right and we've
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and it's walking them out of the
dark, and it's giving them agency

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power. Frankel talks about we all, at the end of the day need

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the power to choose our response.
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we also need to recognize that there
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reason, but there's there's substance,
and there's utility in suffering. I think

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that's the way I want to say
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mention to you that I recently watched
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that I wrote down because I thought
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the sand paper that awakens people.
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there's certain richness and suffering, so
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people want to want to want to
want to smash it away or wipe it

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away, and yet it has it
has some real utility. Can you speak

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to that? All things are born
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a born in darkness. The universe, the Big Bang was born in darkness.

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Plants, he's underground or born in
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It's fertile in the darkness. If
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life. We can't live with the
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It would destroy our world. So
we live in a world I was just

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writing about this. We live in
a world that creates false light, right

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night lights, plug in a night
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the darkness. My dad ran,
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doing the avoidance avoiding avoid dance,
a dance around the void. And how

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much energy do we use dancing around
the void? Staying busy? How many

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people do you know who lose a
loved one who I'm fine, I'm fine,

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I'm fine, I'm keeping busy,
Like maybe now is not the time

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to stay busy. And at least
who the hell wants to be fine?

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Your loving right, right? If
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feel it, feel the pain,
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But it's only out of the darkness
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those those lines, another thing that
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fascinating and I gotta believe this is
something that gets factored into the work that

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you're doing today with your wife.
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wandering is a crucial step. Wandering
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it's a necessary transition period along the
path from chaos to order, from powerless

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to purpose, and from darkness to
light. Why Why That's a really great

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question, because the mystical word for
the name of God in Makabo law is

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Moses says to God, what's your
name? And what God's going to say?

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You know, like Bob, God
says he I am that I am

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right, I am, And it's
actually it's a I forgot what it's called

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an anagram pay yahoya, I was, I am, I will be.

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God is time right? And when
we're running. Our culture doesn't like time,

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or we don't know what to do
with time. We don't know how

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to just be present. I watch
it with my kids, like the same

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thing you see in your world.
It's one screen to another screen to another

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screen. I'm bored. We were
just in the car. We forgot his

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phone. I'm bored. That is
such a gift, like be bored,

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just sit, just be present,
because there's no substitute for time, you

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know, and we have to just
be present to what is. And so

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I think that the wandering has been
a lost art. Sue munk Kid has

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a great book called The Heart,
the Waiting Heart or something like that.

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I don't know if you've read it. An amazing book about the delicious.

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I've heard you use that word quite
often said obviously, the delicious aspects of

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time and just being present and when
a loved one dies, especially when a

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loved one dies, there's no substitute
for just sitting in it and being you

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know, when somebody dies. In
Judaism, you sit seven days called shiva.

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What are you supposed to do?
Nothing? Just sit there, and

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it is the hardest discipline in the
world to just sit and be present in

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the darkness. That's where the divinity
is found. M studyingly gorgeous. Yes,

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and listen to that, if you
would, listeners and viewers, hang

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on to that. Let chew that
over as we go into our last break.

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Here, I'm your host, Doctor
Release Cortes. We are in the

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air with Rabbi doctor Barru Karavi,
who is also called Rabbi b. He

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is co founder and executive director of
Soul Center, a Denver, Colorado based

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center for spirituality, meaning, and
healing. We've been talking more about his

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experiences of helping others come to terms
with grief and with wandering. After the

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rak, we're going to hear more
on the same subjects. Stay with us,

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We'll be right back. Doctor Elise
Cortes is a management consultant specializing in

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meaning and purpose. An inspirational speaker
and author. She helps companies visioneer for

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greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose
inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate

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fulfillment, performance, and commitment within
the workforce. To learn more or to

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invite Elise to speak to your organization, Please visit her at elisecortes dot com.

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Let's talk about how to get your
employees working on purpose. This is

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Working on Purpose with doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today or open

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a conversation with Alise, send an
email to a lease Alise at elisecortes dot

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com. Now back to working on
Purpose. Thanks for staying with us,

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and welcome back to working on Purpose. One another announcement I want to share

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with you if you don't know,
the anthology that I've sent the last two

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years curating is now out as published. It's called Passionately Striving and Why,

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an anthology of women who persevere minded
to live their purpose. It's on Amazon.

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What I love about that is I
found twenty five women from all over

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the world who shared their very intimate
story of how they've discovered their purpose and

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what they're doing to serve from it. And the reason why I think it's

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so important is because it helps people
to understand that purpose is available to anyone

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anywhere, regardless of your socioeconomic background, your culture, your language, or

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where you are in the world.
And when we actually work from it,

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it does wonders. So I hope
that you'll find it inspiration and educational and

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come with us on the journey if
you're just joining us. My guest is

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Rabbi Doctor Baru Khaleb, also known
as Rabbi B, who is the co

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founder and executive director of Soul Centered
at Denver, Colorado based Center for Spirituality,

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Meaning and Healing. He is a
local therapist, Niagram coach, inspirational

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author, motivational speaker, and serial
social entrepreneur, having co founded numerous social

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enterprise startups. He's also working on
his next book, called The Defiant Spirit,

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which will have him come back and
talk about I'm your host, doctor

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Alice Cortes. So the next thing
I want to talk about, which I

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think is just stunningly beautiful. You
have a passage in your book on tears,

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Rabbi B. That I just think
is great and we have to go

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into it. So you tell a
story where you say, and I'm going

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to read this again from your book. It's a passage from your book.

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You say, we're moved by tears. The tears of a baby move us

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to take action. Watching a loved
one or even a stranger cry moves us

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to empathy and compassion. I was
sitting in a Starbucks and and burst into

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torrential downpour of sorrowful tears. Suffice
it to say that the cafe stopped and

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all attention was redirected toward this woman. Businessmen, nanny's children, and the

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delivery guy stopped in their tracks.
There was a genuine outpuring of sympathy from

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people who weren't seconds before strangers.
There's something powerful, mysterious and holy in

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tears. It's stunningly beautiful and so
very true. Yeah. One of the

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reasons why I kind of left being
a congregational rabbi is I couldn't feel the

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prayer. I couldn't feel that.
It just became to me a road process.

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And I committed to myself long before
that the moment that happened, I

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would walk away and go to wherever
I could feel something, because I watched

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the consequences of my father, my
grandmother, my grandfather's little life where they

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just held back their feelings, we
didn't say what did be said, and

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I just never wanted to become that, and I could feel myself slipping into

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that, and I followed the tears. Those took me to Israel, where

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my family and I relocated because we
had such a passionate love affair with Israel.

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We moved there for a while,
and they brought me back to counseling

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people because I found myself welling up
with that emotion when I was really feeling

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people's pain and suffering and connecting to
them again. But I think when we

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listen to that emotion, that's divinity. I don't care what you call this

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thing. That's doctor calls it the
no Weddic. You can call it spirit,

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you can call it whatever you want. But whatever that is, follow

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that it never leads you astray it. It certainly hasn't led me astray.

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One of the things I'll say to
that b is that I've been on my

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own journey. I wasn't always able
to assess my emotions very well. I

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could express myself and I could say
that, and I could certainly shed tears

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when I got moved. But as
I've continued down this path of doing the

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purpose and meaning work, my ability
to access a fuller spectrum of human emotion

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is greatly increased, and so I
can be hugely moved to tears when I

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get when I'm inspired, or I
see somebody else crying, I'm right there

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with them, and I love that
I have access to that now, and

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I don't know how much more there
is. I'm sure there's much more for

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me still to access now, but
so much of the work that I'm doing

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inside organizations is also helping people to
get access again to that. And what

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I see so often be is that
women, especially the ones that have been

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working in corporate America, they have
been so taught that to be successful they

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cannot shed a tear whatever they do, and it's so sadnite. No,

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please bring back the humanity. It's
so great, it's so important, so

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important. You know though, The
first words that doctor Frankel said when he

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came out of the camps when he
was liberated, it's at the very end

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of part one of Man's Search for
meeting. I'm sure many of your readers

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have read that amazing book. If
they haven't, they should read it.

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The first words he said from a
psalm, and it says, I'm doing

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it by memory and mats karate from
the constriction I have called out to you,

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and from the expansion you have answered
me. And I feel like that's

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that's hell, and that's heaven,
if there is a heaven. And a

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hell. That's it. To live
a life of constriction where we feel like

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our world is narrow and small and
we're compartmentalized and we can't fully express that's

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a that's a hell. And I've
been at that hell where I can't express

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my feelings or you know, I'm
just missing my father and we're not sharing.

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And to to to be able to
expand as a divine experience, to

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open your heart when you see your
children and your spouse, you're on you're

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working on purpose. Right, there's
an expansion. Then that's it. And

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we have to listen to the things
that make us constrict and we have to

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respond to the things that help us
expand that's the journey. Mm hmm.

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And that brings me to my next
point that I want to talk with you

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about. My next question. I
was very, very fixated on how you

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talk about your mother's transformation post divorce, speaking of expansion, could you talk

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to us a little bit about like
the before and after of what you would

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how you describe her. It's fascinating, It is fascinating some like sociological psychological

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study. To watch my father,
who's kind of a traditional businessman of a

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previous era on top in charge,
makes all the decisions. My mom typical

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kind of homemaker at a previous generation, taught a very different set of rules

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and then just to watch them totally
flip flop. I can't do it here

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on screen and where in the end
my father descended into as we talked about

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his health, and my mother ascended. And that's because she left this constricting,

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constrictive, narrow identity. And it
wasn't easy. It was a lot

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of painful iterations, but she continuously
put herself out into the unknown, you

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know sometimes you know, necessity is
the mother of invention, as it said,

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and she had to. But here
was a courageous woman who continued to

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grow, to reimagine herself to the
point where she went from a typical kind

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of homemaker, if you will,
in the previous generation, to running a

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multi million dollar organization, world traveler
doing amazing projects out in the world.

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And I just saw what a gift
that I had been given because you had

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said I had witnessed tragedy, and
I did, but I also witness blessing

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watching a mom show me there's an
alternative path, right, You can always

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choose your own way, and that's
what she did. Listeners and viewers,

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I hope you're taking that in and
just really understanding the magnificence of the defiant

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human spirit. Just really what we
can do. It's remarkable when we can

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access that meaning and purpose and move, as you say, away from the

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constriction to the expansion. I just
hope everyone sees that as a hopeless,

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enormous possibility for themselves and anyone they
know. So next space I want to

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go into, which is really quite
fascinating. I've only seen and heard a

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few people really talking about this,
and the way, of course you are

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doing it with your wife is quite
quite beautiful. And so you say,

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above all we need as individuals,
above all else. You say, what

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we need as individuals, organizations and
communities is resilience. And you say,

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when we have resilience, we can
survive even thrive in the face of life's

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greatest challenges, struggles and adversities.
What we need is the defiant human spirit.

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So say more, if you would, about why is this resilience so

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important and how is it that you're
working on that today. Yeah, of

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course that's a great question. So
you know, one of the reasons why

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I turned to doctor Frankel logo therapy
is because it acknowledges that at the end

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of the day, all life is
circumstances. We don't really control anything.

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You know. We live in an
era where we have this this belief that

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we're in control. And I like
to remind people, I'm kind of that

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buzzkilled that nobody really likes to invite
to the cocktail party even though it sounds

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great, you know, canvas,
because you're not really in control. Like

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you're standing on a rock and it's
whirling around a hot ball of fire called

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the sun, and you got about
eighty years until you die. How much

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control do you really think you have? So you know, that's not exactly

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fun to think about. But the
truth is we shut that out and we

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pretend like we're in control. We
create all of these things, and in

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the end, doctor Franklin says,
but we are in control of one thing,

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our response to our circumstances yours,
and nobody gets to take it away

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from you. Like my mom,
she's had everything stripped from her, and

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yet she continued to respond through an
attitude and shift, deciding how she was

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going to respond to her circumstances.
And that's resilience because nobody can take that

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from you. And I draw that
from the Jewish tradition. I'm interested in

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Judaism because it has withstood the test
of time, and not just for Jews.

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What can we do with this to
help other people deal with their adverse

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city. Right when the Dalai Lama
had to figure out how to live outside

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of Tibet, he turned to the
Jewish leaders and said, can you teach

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me how to help my people survive
in the diaspora. And this was one

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of the things that they had to
offer, was right, you can survive

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if you can adapt, if you
can pivot, if you the world.

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You know, Lily Tom the word
gives you lemons, make lemonade. The

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world said to the Jewish people,
you can't be in banking, or you

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can't you can't own land. So
they figured out how to deal with finances.

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He's keep taking stuff away from a
person, but they keep coming back

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with this invincible spirit over thousands of
years. And so to me, that's

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resilience is no matter what the circumstances, I will be able to respond on

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my terms in my way. That's
stunningly gorgeous and so so important. And

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00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.079
again I hope loseners and viewers.
What you hear in that is hope and

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00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.760
possibility. So to that, and
I want to hear more about what you

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00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.119
and Rila are doing at Soul Centered. How are you helping individuals and communities

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00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.880
and people and organizations? Sure,
thank you. Yeah. So I guess

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00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:14.719
back to your last question, resiliency
in a time where we have had our

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resiliency tested, and I don't wish
I don't wish a pandemic, a pandemic

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upon anybody, but we had one. And so what's the choice. Either

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00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:27.039
it's meaningless or it's meaningful. And
we owe it to the pandemic, We

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owe it to those who die,
to those who suffer, to make it

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meaningful, to make it worthy,
worth something, And if we can learn

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00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.760
from it how to become more resilient, to adapt, to prepare. I

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00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.719
think your last guest and one of
your podcasts talked about this is just the

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00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:46.840
first of many pandemics or iterations and
things that are going to come our way,

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and we can learn how to deal
with these things. So Ariel and

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I work individually with folks, me
with loco therapy, cobble law, the

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enneagram, really bringing tools into their
life to consciously face the darkness to take

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back their power so they don't have
to live in fear of what's next.

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Right, then nothing is I forgot
who said? FDR said that the only

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thing we have to fear is fear
itself? Right, Living in fear is

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worse than dealing with the fear.
So how could you consciously go into the

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darkness? Find new tools to go
into the darkness? Create your why?

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Understand your why? Right? The
power of why? He or she has

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a why to live, work,
and endure Anyhow do you know your why?

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How many of your folks are running
businesses with a why, clear mission

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statement, but they don't have one
in their personal life. So when you

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know what hits the fan? How
do you endure the how? If you

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don't know your why? If I
had a few more minutes, which I

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know we don't, I tell you
my why. I have a three paragraph

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why. I say it every single
day to myself. I'm going to say

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it until the day I die.
As doctor Frankel says to my dying breath,

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I work with people on a simple
personal mission statement to match their business

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mission statement, because that's how you
endure your how. MM hmmm mm hmm.

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I just quickly got to ask in
terms of the intagram, because I

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love the innagram. I don't know
if are you a two? Are you

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a one? What are you?
I'm an eight? You are an eight

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year of the Challenger? Wow?
Okay. On a good day, I'm

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an age. On a bad day, my wife calls me an eight hole.

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He love. I can't wait to
meet her. I guess which one

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I am? You are a three
seven seven enthusiast, Yeah, reading seven,

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have a lot of comment, yeah, yeah, So I love that

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you use the innagram. So okay, So now we've got to quickly hear

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about your forthcoming book, that a
Client Spirit. So talk a little bit

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about what you're trying, what you're
going to try to conjure in that book,

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and of course we've got to happen
back. This is a teaser.

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Yes, I have a real problem
with the enneagram. I'm certified, I

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teach it, I use it.
But what I do is I teach people

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how to defy your number. You
know, the Nazi tried to reduce Frankel

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and six million other g to numbers, and on doctor Frankel's arm, he

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wore a brand one one nine,
one zero four because he wasn't a name,

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he wasn't a person, he was
a number. We can't murder people,

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you can murder numbers. He spent
his life showing us that we can

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defy that reductionism, being reduced to
our labels. And so the enneagram is

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an opportunity to see where we react
and to defy that because we don't have

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to live in reaction. We can
defy my I can defy my adeness.

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I try very hard, and I
can live all these numbers. But ya

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gotta summons the defiant power of the
human spirit, or else you end up

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trapped as a number and you forget
your name. Oh my gosh, that

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is beautiful we have I can't wait
to read it, and I can't.

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We have you on the show,
so just you know that's you can run,

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but you can't hide. Uh So
we're out of time, but you

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know the show is listened to by
people around the world. How would you

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like to leave them today? I
would like to leave them with that idea

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other than each and every one of
us, no matter how far you've fall

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on I'm matter how dark it might
seem, that there is always that spark

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as you mentioned that the firepower the
human spirit, don't give up on that

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spark. Find it. One spark, A little light turns into a flame,

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into a fire illuminates the darkness.
Keep going and become a spark seeker.

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Rabbi be It is such an honor
to know you and to share you

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with listeners across the world who desperately
need to hear your message and read your

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book. So thank you very much
for joining, for joining us today,

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and for being in my life.
Thank you, Doctor Lisa. Listeners and

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viewer. If you want to learn
more about Rabbi doctor barru Khalevi, his

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books or the Workeen his wife are
doing it soul centered, start by going

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to mysoulcentered dot org. Again,
that's my soul centered dot org. Last

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week, if you missed the live
show, you can always catch a be

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recorded podcast. We were on the
here with with Dahliya zemb of Logo Therapy

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Mina talking about her tremendously inspiring ambition
to spread logo therapy in the Arab speaking

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world as a way to build nations. Our conversation showcases just what we can

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each do with our one precious life. Empowered by Meeting and Purpose. Next

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week will be on the Earth,
Dan McClure talking about what he's learned over

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his forty year career specializing in disruption, and his roles as a choreographer of

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ambitious, messy change, reimagining complex
systems and business, government, international aid,

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and society as a whole. See
you there. Remember that work is

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at least a third of our lives. So let's work on permit. We

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hope you've enjoyed this week's program.
Be sure to tune in too, Working

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on Purpose featuring your host, doctor
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America Empowerment Channel. Together, we'll
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leadership inspires impassioned performance, and employees
are fulfilled in work that provides the meaning

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and purpose they crave. See you
there, Let's work on Purpose.