Riding Technology for Higher Humanity

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host Elise Cortes. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration from those
people who have found deeper meaning and

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personal connection to their work life.
It's beyond nine to five. It's working

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on Purpose. Now. Here is
your host, Elise Cortes. Welcome back

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to the Working on Purpose program.
Next for tuning in again this week,

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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez. Join you live from Dallas, Texas,

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which is home base for me.
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connected and thanks for listening. Now
onto this week's program with us today is

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Christian Kralmey. He's an international thought
leader, inspiring keynote speaker, ted X

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speaker, futurist, and Team Human. Is the author of the book called

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Humanification, Go Digital, Stay Human. We'll be talking about his book and

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just what he's learned about where he
believes we're headed in the future as a

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human species interacting with technology, he
jokes it. Today from the Netherlands,

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Christian, welcome to working on Purpose. Hi Ellis, thank you for having

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me. You are so welcome.
I'm so grateful that we found each other

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on LinkedIn and when I looked at
what you were doing and I read your

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book, of course you know had
to have you on the show and share

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with our listeners because I think your
message is critical especially now. Absolutely,

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yes, I think so. So
let's kick it off for our listeners here.

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As I always do, I have
a conversation with my guests ahead of

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time so we can plan what we're
going to talk about. And you said

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in that conversation that you think technology
and the technological disruption technology is demanding from

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us will make us more human.
Will you say more about that? Yeah?

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Sure. What I really see happening
in the next few years by robotics

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and artificial intelligence is that many jobs, many skills, will be automated.

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And yeah, if your job is
automated, then you start to ask yourself,

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Okay, why is it that I'm
here, What is my purpose?

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Why I'm here? How can I
contribute to society? And where more and

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more jobs and tasks will be automated, more and more people will start to

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ask that question. And I think
this will start or ignite a journey to

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our inside world. And I think
that's in that way, technology is pushing

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us to go to move towards our
inner world. And that's happening for a

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while now, but now with increasing
technology which is evolving exponentially fast. This

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process is speeding up rapidly. Mm
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And we're gonna talk more about what
those skills will entail or elicit for us

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in the workplace. But before we
get there, I think it's really important

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our listeners just really understand a major
catalyst for your own journey, and that

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was how you dealt with your daughter. Is it liking? Do you say

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her Nameliki Leak pronounced Lika Nka's illness
early in her life and how that led

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you to the discoveries that you write
about in your book. Will you say

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a little bit about that story?
Yeh sure. When she was three months

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old, we discovered that she had
some severe health problems, so we went

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to hospital and they told us she
needs heart surgery right away to save her

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life. But during that surgery everything
that's wrong that could go wrong. Her

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body was not responding to the medication
and to the to the procedures. So

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they managed to get her heart of
the heart long machine and later the day

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we heard that she had a tuminal
diagnosis because her heart problems were caused by

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a rare genetic disorder and this disorder
was so rare that there were only three

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or four people in the entire world
with that same disorder, and they all

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died within a couple of months.
So based on these literature studies, they

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gave our daughter and terminal diagnosis.
So we, of course we didn't accept

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that diagnosis. We need a second
opinion, third opinion, and we started

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to do our own research. And
what you see what is happening in the

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hospitals that doctors are looking at a
specific organ or specific tissue. They're highly

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specialized in a specific topic or part
of the body. And what I started

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to do is to look more holistically. And if you do that, if

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you look more holistic way towards the
human body and towards health, then you

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see that the body is a community
of over trillions of cells working together in

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harmony, playing one big symphony.
And if you look in that way towards

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cells, then you say, oh
wow, that's really amazing how they solve

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problems and how good there are and
managing these huge amount of numbers of cells.

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And during my search, I discovered
something that's completely changed my perception of

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technology of society. What I discovered
is that sells living cells, the building

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blocks of our human body, are
having the same kind of behaviors and needs

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as human beings, and within groups, these cells solve problems in the same

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way as human beings do. And
basically this led us to a new kind

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of therapy that saved our daughter's life. Today she's nine years old and she's

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doing great. She's going to school, she's doing yoga, all these things,

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so she completely cured. But it
also gave me insights about how our

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society evolves, how organizations evolve,
and how human beings are evolving. And

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this is basically a huge turning point
in my life. I went from an

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entrepreneur we're working eighty hours a week
towards a speaker, an author writing about

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his passion, and this passion is
sharing this insight with the rest of the

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world. And that's basically what I'm
doing right now. And that's how you

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came up with this amazing word that
I find so compelling. Humanification. Yes,

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yes, yes, that's sure.
Yeah. Humanification is basically a term

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that I came up with my best
self. It's becoming more human as an

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individual, but also as an organization. Make your processes, your technology is

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more human. But also the society. How can we create a more human

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healthcare system, a more human educational
system, and a more human focused government

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system. So basically it's about a
try. It about technology, biology and

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humanity and how they collaborate with each
other and how they evolve in a very

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specific way, and this way can
help us to predict where things are going

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in the next ten, twenty or
forty years. One of the many things

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I found so compelling about your keynote
that I watched and it was just beyond

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excellent Christian and then reading your book
of course to what I appreciate so much

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about it, and I told you
in the email I sent you, is

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it really gave me insight into where
I am in the world with regard to

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my business and my message. Because
of the way you laid out the waves

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that you talk about our listeners,
will you first situate you talk about there's

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seven biological waves and they map over
to mass those hierarchy of needs. Will

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you do that for us today?
Yeah? Sure. Basically one of the

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discovered that cells have many things in
common with human beings. I started to

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look more into how solve problems in
groups in communities. So if you look

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at a cell. It has the
same kind of behavior. It multiplies,

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it has a social behavior. They
communicate with each other, and they grow

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in communities, small communities, in
tissues and all these things. And what

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I started to do is look back
in history about one billion years and what

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I discovered is that these cells used
biological tissue, biological systems to develop organisms.

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And they went through seven big disruptive
waves, and each wave created a

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new kind of species, a new
kingdom of species. And the seventh wave

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is all about the creation of human
beings. So the first wave was about

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multicellular organisms. So single cells start
to communicate each other and they start to

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create stone like structures like coral.
This keep them safe from the environment,

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but it also helped them to gather
or filter food from the environment more efficiently,

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and that made them grow faster.
So in the second wave was all

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about infrastructure. So cells start to
develop a vascular system, organs digestive systems

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to transform the raw material from the
outside world into nutritions and energy for the

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inside world. Therefore they grew even
faster. And there was another needs and

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it was information. So in the
third wave, they just started to develop

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the nervous system and census, for
example, to become more aware of the

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environment, so they increase their survival
weight in that way. The fourth wave

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was about instinct. There was so
much information flowing over these nerve systems that

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they needed some kind of automation,
so they started to develop the reptile brain,

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which is basically the operating system of
the body, and this helped them

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to automate all the internal processes in
the the all the biological processes millions of

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millions a day. And it brings
us to the fifth wave, which was

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all about the limbic brain, or
the social brain or the memo brain,

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which helped us to remember things,
locations, food, but also dangerous locations.

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But it helped us also to remember
and recognize counterparts or other creatures organisms,

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so we start to live more in
hurdles and groups. The sixth wave

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was about the new cortex brain,
and the new cortex brain helped us to

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learn and adapt in real time so
we can stand upstraight, key balance,

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but also helped us to develop tools
like weapons and make fire. And the

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last biological upgrade, the seventh waves
out the prefontal cortex and prefonted cordex helps

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us to develop language, complex language
like we have today, but also to

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visualize things and to understand conceptual things. And basically, many people think that

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evolutions stopped here with the human being, but I noticed that eflution went on,

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but on a much bigger scale,
at a much higher pace and speed.

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And what I discovered is that human
beings using technology in organizations go through

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the same waves as the cells using
biology in organisms. So the first wave

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was all about the technological wave.
It's all about the agricultural revolution. So

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people start to gather in groups,
bigger groups. We start to develop stone

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like structures, little villages with walls
that keep us safe from the environment.

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But we also start to filter food
from the environment. That made our communities

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grow even faster. So then we
entered the second wave, which was all

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about infrastructure, and that was the
industrial revolution about sixteen hundred and seventeen hundred.

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So we start to develop industries,
but also the vascular system of our

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society, the oil pipelines, the
real roads, and finally the energy grids

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as we know it today. And
when we developed electricity, we noticed that

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you can send messages from one side
of the country to the other side.

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So This sparked the telecom revolution.
So we start to develop the telegraph,

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the radio, the television. We
start to develop senses like the microphone and

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the camera. And basically, this
network, this nervous system on our society

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and on our globe, helped us
to become aware of what's happening on the

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other side of the world. It
reconnected our humanity, but at a certain

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level, it was so much information
flowing over this nervous system. We start

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to have the need to automate things. So in the nineteen fifties and sixties,

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companies like IBM started to develop computers, micro processors, and operating systems

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and softwarees, which is basically the
reptile brain of our society. It automates

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all the internal processes within our organizations. And then that's sparked the Fifth Wave,

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which was about the social media revolution. So in nineteen ninety five,

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when the Internet became more mature,
people start to upload all kinds of information,

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textual information, videos, photos.
Basically, is this the limbic brain

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or the social brain that stores all
kinds of relational information, short term information,

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big data and analytics tools. We
can learn from that and we can

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adjust our behavior on a global skill. And today we've entered the sixth wave,

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which is basically like the new cortex
is AI in the cloud. It

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helps us to learn and adapt in
real time and to develop all kinds of

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tools which can help us in many
many ways. Finally, the seventh wave

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will be about imagination. It's about
the equivalent of the prefont to cortex.

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This is what I called the holographic
revolution, where augumentatoriality, mixed reality will

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help us to co create on a
global skill and to develop one kind of

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language. And basically, if you
look at those waves, each wave is

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basically a need from the hierarchy of
master of pyramid. So the basic need

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is about survival and then comes the
second need is about security, so our

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vascular systems are logistics, et cetera. The third wave about connection, so

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this is about the nervous system.
The fourth wave is about automn and emotion,

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and this is basically the reptile brain
to automate all the internal processes.

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The fifth wave is about social so
connecting with other people, exchange insights and

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information and knowledge. And the sixth
wave is about artistry. It's about esthetics,

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beauty, order, symmetry, and
This is exactly what we are currently

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seeing, what's happening acting also with
this crisis, what which we're in right

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now, we see that many balances
will be restored. And finally, the

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seventh wave is all about purpose,
is self actualization. And if all these

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layers, all these needs from the
messal pyramids are automated, then we are

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pushed towards the top of this pyramid, which is all about purpose. And

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that's why I think that in the
near future, in the next five to

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ten years, there will be a
massive push towards purpose. So today I

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think it's a luxury to work on
your self actualization. But I think when

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many, many jobs will be automated, and they will very soon, this

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will be something which is not a
luxury anymore, but a necessity for many

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people. So this is all happening
in front of our eyes. It's happened

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for the last fifteen thousand years in
technology perspective and in the last one billion

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years on a biological perspective, and
it's moving forward really fast right now.

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So it's basically a summary and a
nutshell where the waves are about, and

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these waves are repeating themselves on every
fundamental level of our society. So organizations

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are built from organisms. Organisms are
built from cells, Cells are built from

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molecules. Molecules are built from atoms. Atoms are built from supertomic particles,

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as supertomic particles are built from waves, and within each these stages, these

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seven waves repeat themselves. So this
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knowledge and pattern which is very reliable. And this helped me to predict where

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to really understand where they are right
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yeah development, this pattern, and
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align realign with this paton Christian as
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me before that I read books like
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your thinking in your mind and what
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and listeners highly highly highly recommend you
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concepts that you lay out there,
Christian are so provocative and yet at the

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where people are center of everything,
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deeply connected to each other. We're
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meaning. He's the author of Humanification, Go Digital, Stay Human. I'm

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your host, doctor Elis Cortez so
Christin. One of the things that you

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said in our conversations and in your
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important for our listeners to understand,
is if I have this right, and

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you correct me, you said that
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WAB six, yet our economy,
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at about level four or five.
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absolutely, yeah. We have developed
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are and where individuals are. We
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and what I found out is that
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the larger organizations are situated on level
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like the reptile brain. They see
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or they will be eaten by it. So if things are new for them,

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they think it's dangerous. So change
new technologies are dangerous for these organizations.

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They see the threads and that's why
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lock in, and they are it's
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And it's basically about mindset, because
if people start to embrace technology and start

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to use technology for the good,
then they will be able to transform their

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organizations within years. But now in
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and I don't think they have that
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hope that many organizations will be able
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for people so they can bring their
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work. And if they do that, then we will be able to transcend

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that level four or five and go
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to be in order to survive the
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think if I understood your book,
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at least a step along the journey
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the futures and sharing ideas, collaborating
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connecting with others. That's part of
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these organisms are healthy as long as
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working together in a coherent way and
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really think that we can only transcend
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if we start to collaborate on a
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is helping us to do. So
it's uniting humanity if we use it for

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good, and it's helping to empower
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behind the buttons of those technologies,
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big social media platforms today, they
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people, and they're not empowering people, but they are enslaving people to go

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to the timeline as much as possible. So I think we need to go

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to a new financial incentive where there
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big companies and have incentives which are
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need to move towards a new organizational
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also the owners. And if you
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massive change in how technology will help
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only if we can do that,
if we move to that sphace, then

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we will be able to collaborate on
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especially in the seventh wave, where
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can have a conversation with someone in
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he's or she is in the same
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this OVID crisis, when you have
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at all. It's it doesn't It
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closes this gap, we can make
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Then we will shift our society towards
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think this is where humanity is going. Just like the cells in our body

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are all collaborating in one big body, in one big organism, I think

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that humans and technology are merging into
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called humanity. And I think in
the next five or ten years, humanity

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will wake up and they will see
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I think in that way, we
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and I think that's a very positive
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I do too. I find that
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you describe it especially, And as
we go along in the conversation, I

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want to give our listeners more hope
to the possibility of embracing technology, because

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as you and I both know,
a lot of people are afraid of technology

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and just what it can bring.
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deeply what you just said there,
because our listeners are you know, behind,

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way behind you, and certainly behind
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book you talk about the virtual neo
cortex and the idea of you know,

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the old expression of you know,
the head in the clouds. Will you

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say more about that concept and illuminate
that more for us as to really what

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does that mean for us between technology
and us as human beings. You said

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it before, but take it back
one more level. Yeah, Basically,

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what you see happening right now is
that we have or start to have artificial

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intelligence in the cloud. And basically
what this artificial intelligence is able to do

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is to combine the intelligence of ten
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so we will have one big hive
mind like brain, and we can start

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to make decisions as collective. And
today most of the decisions are made by

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people in the government or CEOs or
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a limited amount of intelligence. But
if you start to combine this intelligence in

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tools like artificial intelligence, then we
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wiser decisions which are much more long
term, and I think this will completely

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change the fabric of our society.
But we are still on the downside of

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it because AI is mostly used against
us to make profiles and to sell as

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advertorials and advertisements. But I think
if we start to use it within our

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ecosystems, it will help us to
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if we are able to do that, then we will have I think some

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kind of global brain start to emerge
on the web, which is a combination

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of all the thinking and all the
wisdom of all the individual people which are

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working together in these brain And this
is what technology basically is offering us.

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It's offering us a new kind of
brain on a much higher level, and

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a brain that helps us to collaborate
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You could compare it with the new
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for example, this brain coordinates everything, but it's based on equality,

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so all the cells are the same
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We are not yet there with our
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are moving that way really fast.
I find, you know, as I

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like to call myself, no not
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realist based optimist to who always looks
for the best in things and people.

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talk a little bit more about what
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basic premise in your book that I
find very compelling and useful is that you

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talk about how we can learn from
nature to solve our biggest problems. And

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you've mentioned a few of them in
the book, but I think it would

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be very useful for our listeners,
just as you did for me, Christin,

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as I look to iterate my business
going forward, looking to see how

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you've laid out these waves and how
things progress. Will you apply your idea

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of how we can learn from nature
and say, either even want to talk

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about energy, if you want to
talk about healthcare, how can we apply

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what you've learned from nature in those
spheres. Yeah. I think we can

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learn so much from nature simply by
looking at how sell communities are solving problems.

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How do they generate energy, how
do they distribute energy, how do

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they collaborate with each other. I
think we are always looking outside of us

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for solutions, but I think most
of the solutions are inside of us,

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literally, And I think with new
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able to observe those cells and perhaps
start to speak the language of those cells,

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so we can connect with these cells
and perhaps talk with these cells and

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learn from them. Not in the
sense that we can have a conversation with

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them, but if we understand the
patterns how these cells collaborate and how they

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exchange information, if you can observe
that with AI, which is able to

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measure very subtile patterns, then we
can learn from that. And I think

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nature is so efficient in organizing things. If you look at organisms there,

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they are sustainable, they are circular, all these things which our society is

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not. And if we start to
look more at how nature solves these complex

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problems. I think then we can
rearrange or change our transform our society in

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a more natural way. So I
think therefore nature has already all solved all

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the problems that we still have ahead
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nature and having the right tools like
AI for example, we can research nature

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much more efficiently and learn from it
much faster. And I think this,

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in the end will humanity from from
disaster, because if we go forward in

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this direction, that's one way I
wrote with ending in uh in disaster.

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the opportunities with new technologies to look into

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the human body, to look in
the complexity of nature. And the more

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advanced technology becomes, the more we
can decode how how how biology works.

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problems, and we only have to
do is to copy those solutions and use

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them ourselves. And basically what I'm
talking about is realigning with nature. And

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yeah, that's basically what it's all
about. And I think technology enables us

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to do that. So one of
the things that you've said, I think

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in both your keynote and certainly in
your book. And I think it's really

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important we talk about this Christian because
it is the elephant in the room,

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and that is this this fear that
a lot of people have about artificial intelligence,

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and and what if our I,
these artificial intelligence intelligences that you've been

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talking about combined so that and they
actually determined that people aren't actually useful and

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they decide to get rid of us. You have you actually position that you

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don't think that. You say that
nature shows us that that needn't be So

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help us understand why you take the
position that you do that this isn't going

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to be a problem. I think
you can say it very simple. If

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your brain's AI in a cloud,
say okay, these cells within the body,

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we don't need it, then there's
no life possible. So I think

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it's it's it's the symbiosis between those
cells and that brain working together as one

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make organism. And I can I
think that we can see artificial intelligence in

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the cloud in the same way artificial
intelligence is processing the output of human beings,

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and it's it's like a collaboration.
One cannot exist without the other.

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us to survive. But there's one
but because in the beginning of new technologies,

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you always see that technology is used
by the ego, by powerful systems

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to control and to manimplate people in
weapons and all these things we see today

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as well within big social media platforms. And later on, when technology is

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distributed and it's used by the ecosystem, then it's used for good. And

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I think if you look, for
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GPS sensors or weapons, but today
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in our cars, helping us to
navigate. So that's what I mean.

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later it's used by ecosystems. And
I think with AI it's the same.

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It will be misused by organizations.
You see that, for example what's happening

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right now in China with massiveilance and
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and Europe, but we could be. But I think that's the side effect

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of having powerful technology. With great
power comes great responsibility and if the people

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behind the buttons, behind the buttons
of those powerful technology are not having the

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right intentions, then this technology is
used for bad. And I think this

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is what we are currently seeing,
and we will see more of it,

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Autonomous weapons, all these things will
will come. But I think eventually,

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I'm very optimistic about the self correcting
effect of the masses of the rest of

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the cells. And I think in
the end, just like cloning human beings,

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we won't allow it and it will
be suppressed and we will use it

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for the good. So we will
see some nasty things with AI, but

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it will be temporary. I think
on the long term it will help us,

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beautifully said Christian, very beautifully said. And I think it would help

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our listeners tremendously, as you did
for me in your book by talking about

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how we went through these evolutions as
a human being. So you said,

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for example, we existed for the
longest time with our reptilian brain, and

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then then along came the limbic brain
and etc. So walk us through how

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those new TECHNI if you will,
human slash technological evolutions didn't actually do us

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in well, if you look at
each biological upgrade created basically different kind of

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consciousness, and these different kinds of
consciousness helps us to basically manage the world

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that we were in. And this
is happening today as well, but now

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on a massive skill, aich bigger
skill to give you. For example,

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organisms with the reptile brain were very
executive, They're good at hunting and very

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simple talks. Organisms with limbic brain
were also having emotional capability, so they

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were able to connect with other organisms
learn from other organisms as well. Organisms

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with a new cordex brain were able
to or be able to become self conscious,

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so they will be able to become
aware of their own being. And

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finally, organisms with the prefont of
cordex human beings homosoe apiens became social empatic.

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And I believe that we are currently
moving through these same stages and that

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we are now entered the sixth stage, which is about AI in the cloud,

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and this will result in organizations will
be self conscious, so they will

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have so much sensors and so much
processing power that they will be able to

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become self aware. And eventually I
think that we will have organizations that become

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social empathic, so these will be
the characteristics how they interact with the outside

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world. And if you can choose
as human being between two organizations and one

437
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has reptilian like characteristics and the other
one has social empatic, then I think

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the choices very easily and people massively
choose for organizations which are more human,

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more social empedic, and I think
this will create a massive shift in the

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way that we interact with organizations and
organizations that are more human in their communication

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with their customers, those are the
one who will grow exponentially fast, and

442
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I think much faster than the Googles
and Facebook that we have seen today.

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So yeah, I think that these
characteristics which appeared and emerged in these biological

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waves also emerge in technological waves today. And yeah, therefore, I'm very

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hopeful that in the end we'll have
organizations that are social empathic. But unfortunately,

446
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most of the organizations right now are
still in the reptile brain mindset,

447
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and that's they are very aggressive and
defensive towards all kinds of new things and

448
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towards competitors. But once we moved
to the tipping point towards those growth needs

449
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in the muscle pyramid, then we
will see a different kind of behavior and

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I think this will result in a
massive change in our society, the way

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we interact with each other, the
way we do business, the way we

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collaborate on a massive skill. Absolutely, and that's a future I want to

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be part of. Thank you for
saying that so beautifully in a way that

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I think all of us can get
our heads, hearts and souls around.

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And on that note, let's take
our last break. At least Corte as

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your host. We're in there with
Krom. He's an international thought leader,

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inspiring keynote speaker, teTeX speaker,
futurist, and team human. He's the

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author of the book called Humanification,
Go Digital, Stay Human. He joined

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it today from the Netherlands. Stay
with us, We'll be right back.

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Doctor Elise Cortes is a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational speaker

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and author. She helps companies visioneer
for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose

462
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inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that
elevate fulfillment, performance and commitment within the

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workforce. To learn more or to
invite Elise to speak to your organization,

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please visit her at Elise Cortes dot
Let's talk about how to get your employees

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working on purpose. This is working
on purpose with a lease Cortes. To

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reach our program today, send an
email to a lease Alice at a Leasecortes

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dot com. Now back to working
on purpose. Thanks for staying with us,

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and welcome back to working on purpose. If you're just tuning in.

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My guest is Christian crom who wants
us to imagine a future where people are

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center of everything, driven by purposeful
ecosystems, where healthcare systems keep us healthy,

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children are educated to listen to their
heart and deeply connected to each other.

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We're learning and working as an entirely
new meaning. He's the author of

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humanification, Go Digital, Stay Human. I'm your host, doctor, relies

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Cortes. So, Kristin, I
must confess, if I could snuggle up

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in that mind of yours, I
would absolutely do that. I so appreciate

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the way that you have thought about
this, where in the beautiful way you

477
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were inspired to pursue this problem to
be able to make sure your daughter has

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a has A, had a viable
life and is now thriving. So I

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really appreciate you joining us today.
Thank you, You're welcome. So let's

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for this last last segment here I
want to showcase what you were talking about

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earlier. That you do talk about
beautiful in your book and again it maps

482
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over to nature so well and gives
us access to it. But you talk

483
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about this idea of swarm intelligence and
this idea of sharing creativity and decision making,

484
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and that whole idea of sharing thoughts
and feelings in real time in a

485
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bigger, more connected way. So
to me, that's like a big database

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of emotional intelligence or more. Will
you say more about what you mean and

487
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give us access to that. Yeah, basically it's much more. What I

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think is that it's already beginning right
now that in the last ten twenty years,

489
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we have interacted with internet on a
massive skill. We have searched for

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things, we have bought on purchased
things. All this data say something about

491
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.079
who you are, how you make
decisions, all these things. And what

492
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you see right now is that Google
and Facebook already exploiting those data making profiles

493
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so they can predict your behavior and
they can make offerings to you which you

494
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are very likely to go into.
And I think this is at this moment,

495
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this data is exploited by big tech
companies. But what if you are

496
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owning this data yourself, and you
could put AI on top of it,

497
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and all the decisions that you made
in the last ten twenty years and every

498
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interaction that you make with the digital
world is recorded. And if you put

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AIF top on top of that,
they basically can reproduce a virtual version of

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yourself, not in the way that
it's a virtual avatar or three D person,

501
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but I really mean your behavior,
your decision making capabilities. And if

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you are developing a virtual version of
yourself, then this version has the same

503
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kind of knowledge as you are.
It can make the same kind of decisions,

504
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it purchases the same kind of products, and you will be like the

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master, and this virtual version of
you is the slave. But it can

506
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represent you online. It can attend
meetings for you if you're not interested to

507
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be that meeting which people need to
ask you things. So basically, you

508
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train a virtual version of yourself which
can represent you in the virtual world.

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And the funny thing about this is
you can be at multiple places at the

510
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same time, so you can attend
ten or one hundred meetings, or you

511
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can give a lecture on one hundred
or two and different locations worldwide in virtual

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world So with this kind of virtual
identity, which is intelligent and which can

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make its own decisions completely, do
business models appear. So you can earn

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money one hundred places while you're sleeping
because your virtual version is doing the job

515
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for you. And I think this
is already happening, and I think in

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the next five or ten years we
will see more of this. But basically,

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these virtual versions of yourself, for
example, can vote a million times

518
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:04.280
a day about your political opinion or
what the company should do. And basically

519
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I think everyone will have a virtual
version of itself, a virtual twin,

520
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and these virtual twins are connected to
massive decision making systems. So if you

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look at the democracy, for example, if all these virtual representations of the

522
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real people in the virtual world can
vote on any question that is asked to

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them, so you can start to
make real time decisions as a group.

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And I think this is the hive
mind idea that when we are living in

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this non virtual world, in a
real world, our virtual version of us

526
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can do things in the virtual world, and if it doesn't, if it

527
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isn't sure about something, it can
ask you for commission or if you agree

528
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with that, and by doing so, this virtual version of you is learning

529
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all the time, so every time
it doesn't know something exactly, it will

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ask you for confirmation and then it
learns and in the next time it can

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answer that question as well. So
I think this is what's going to happen

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in the next few years. And
it only will happen if these the big

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tech companies like Google and Facebook don't
own your data anymore, but when you

534
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start to own the data yourself,
and we already see many developments in its

535
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direction with blockchain technology AI in a
blockchain, So this is basically a distributed

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version of what we're currently seeing at
Google and Facebook. And when this happens,

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I think, yeah, it will
unleave magic because we can work at

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warp speed with each other and we
can make decisions much faster. We can

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co create on a massive skill.
Even when you're sleeping at night. You

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can share your insights and all your
knowledge and know how with many people and

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they can pay you a little bit
for that. So yeah, I'm really

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looking forward to have a digital level
and it will make my life definitely much

543
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more easier and more fun because because
when this digital level is taking care of

544
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all the boring stuff online that you're
not interested in, you can really start

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to focus on what really matters,
and that's I think you're purpose and the

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reason why you're here. So I'm
really looking forward to this technology which is

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being developed right now already. So
I want to make sure that our listeners

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are tracking with what you just said
there, Christian, because you and I've

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had a conversation or two about it, and of course I read your book

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and I've watched and listened to one
of your keynotes that essentially, what you're

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really presencing for us is that,
contrary to what so many people might imagine,

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that technology has the ability to set
us free as individuals, as human

553
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.960
beings. Yes, absolutely, yeah, I think technology will automate more and

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more of our basic needs and at
a certain time we are released from our

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boring tasks and boring skills that we
have to do because technology is taken care

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of all of that. And for
example, if you have an autonomous car

557
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which is driving for you, you
can start to meditate, or you can

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read a book, or you can
watch a movie and educate yourself. And

559
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this is happening in every area,
and people are many many people are asking

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me, Okay, are we not
going to be dumber because technology is doing

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all the thinking for us. I
don't think so. I think when technology

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is doing the boring stuff, we
start to focus on things that really matter,

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creating music, creating creative content and
all these things. And if you

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do so much bigger part of your
brain is used when you're aligned with your

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purpose. So yeah, that's basically
what's happening. It's sets us free.

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It helps us to focus on what
really matters, and that's happening already in

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this couple of few years ahead of
us, but it's will definitely happen in

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the next five to ten years.
Well before I met you, Christian,

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several years ago, I had a
very similar sort of thought about technology and

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that it would basically what I would
What I said then is it would kick

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us upstairs. And what I mean
by that, and why I was also

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gravitating to your book is I do
know Maso's work very well, and so

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when I did my meaning in work
research, what I discovered is that when

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people experience their work at the higher
levels of Maso's hierarchy, no surprise,

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they found their work much more meaningful, and that work generally mapped over to

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become more important for their overall sense
of identity and their purpose. So what

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I discovered, for example, I
remember just being in the airport and watching

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I realize that the bin process when
you went through security had been automated.

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So what used to be a person
literally moving bins back and forth for us

580
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.880
to put our stuff into had been
taken over by a machine. And my

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first thought was good, I don't
want that person doing that kind of work.

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I want him or or engaging with
travelers about where they're going, helping

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00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.920
them solve their problems. And so
presencing for our listeners, really, the

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possibility of how we can become the
best possible version of ourselves because of technology

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00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.559
enabling us is really what I want
to make sure our listeners hear from us.

586
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.480
Yeah, this is definitely happening.
We are pushed towards our purpose,

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if you like it or not.
So it's and for many people it will

588
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:51.159
be a very hard experience to look
in a mirror and to I think,

589
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because many people identify themselves with their
jobs, with their skills, But what

590
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:59.360
happens when those skills are automated,
the job is automated, then that's identification

591
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.440
is gone and you start to you
have to re identify who you really are.

592
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.960
I think that is I think we
will see a spiritual revolution almost that

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people start to make the energ journey, start to ask themselves the questions who

594
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am I, what I really like
to do here, and what is my

595
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.039
purpose here on earth? And I
think that's a very positive thing too to

596
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.480
look forward to. Well, And
that's sort of the camp that I'm in

597
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:23.920
Christian right, So no surprise that
you and I have if we will collided

598
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:28.679
with each other. That's exactly where
I'm going, certainly in my work,

599
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and what I'm doing to facilitate this
opportunity and experience inside organizations and as a

600
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.719
work experience is to really elevate it
to much more, not just human level,

601
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:43.679
but a spiritual, emotional, spiritual
level. So I'm definitely working to

602
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:49.039
advance that as well as we work
to continue to evolve the technology alongside.

603
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.719
All. Right, So by this
point, if our listeners aren't convinced that

604
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:54.519
they need more of you, I
don't know what it would take for them

605
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:58.760
to be convinced of that, but
I think it's useful at this point to

606
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:01.800
introduce this idea that you haven't that
you mentioned in your book about the Humanification

607
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:06.719
Institute, and I read it as
it's a hub for solving real world problems

608
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:12.079
and business challenges in practical ways.
Tell us about this institute and how people

609
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.760
can be involved. Yeah, Basically, it's a group of people which is

610
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expanding really rapidly and we are developing
all kinds of tools which are helping people

611
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.599
to make that personal journey. After
my keynote, many people have questions.

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It's an eye opener. People see
how the world really operates and they start

613
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:30.880
to see that perhaps the job they
are currently doing is not their purpose and

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they start to yeah, start to
go on their own quest to find that

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purpose. So basically, in the
Institute we develop a set of tools.

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For example, we have developed a
conscious mapping technology which maps the consciousness on

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a me we world on it perspective
in four quadrance. So people are asked

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multiple questions and they go through these
questions and we can map where your mindset

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is on which wave you're serving on
a collective level, your organization, but

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also on an individual level. And
these tools help people will to make the

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next step. Because if people see
they need change or they need to change

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their their their life, but they
don't know where to start, and these

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tools help people to start at the
right level and make progress and start it

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in a journey. And basically the
institute is basically have for all these kind

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of small think tanks, small organizations
that can provide services. It's like an

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app store, all kinds of services
that help people to start it in a

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journey, to start that journey towards
their purpose. And it's all about personal

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development. And I really think that
in the next two wave, Wave six

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and Wave seven, it will be
all about personal development. It's the top

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of the pyramid of mass love and
this is where the biggest companies will exist

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in the future. They will be
much bigger than the Googles and the facebooks

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of today. And it's all all
about education, but education in a new

633
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way. So educate yourself, grow
as a person, start to align more

634
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and more with who you truly are, and it's basically changing your passion.

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And this is what we want to
facilitate in this institute. So it's an

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organization, it's a platform, and
more and more people start to connect and

637
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yeah, it's a really fun place
to be and to share insights and thoughts

638
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with other people like minded people.
Is this a matter as as a membership

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of how do people get access to
this Christian for our listeners. Basically,

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today it's a small amount of startups
which I'm participated participating and investing in,

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but we are looking forward to create
a movement and an online platform where people

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can join after seeing my movie or
after seeing the keynote and they want to

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do more, want to know more, that's when this should be the place

644
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where they can can get that information
and stuff. So it's we are currently

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creating it. It's still small,
but we want to create an online platform

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which is able to grow exponentially fast
and facilitate more and more people. I'm

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in and I'm on a similar quest
as well. Interestingly enough, so don't

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have quite the resources that you do, but it's a very similar sort of

649
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journey that I'm on as well.
You've already teased it for us Christian and

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you and I have talked about it. But tell us about this movie you're

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making. Sorry, yeah, this
movie. Basically Yeah, Like many other

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people, I think, in this
COVID crisis, you start to ask yourself,

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Okay, what is really important to
me when I cannot travel, when

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I cannot do my keynotes all over
the world and on the Shelf was a

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project for two or three years now
and it was my movie project. One

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of my first companies was about creating
commercials and three D effects and special animations

657
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for companies. So this is basically
what I'm really good at, so making

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complex things simple and visualize them in
a way that everyone can understand. This.

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So my real dream is to create
a movie that impacts at least one

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billion people on a global skill because
I truly think that if one billion people

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start to align with their purpose,
we will have a critical mass, and

662
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this critical mass will infect the other
nine or ten billion people on Earth.

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So we start to make a transition. And this movie is basically about the

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seven waves which are repeating themselves on
every level of our universe, so that

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people create a more holistic view of
our organizations, of biology, of everything

666
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in our universe basically, and also
show them the tools and our roadmap basically

667
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how we can create a more sustainable
and peaceful future which is fully aligned with

668
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nature, fully sustainable, fully circular. And this is basically what the movie

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is about. And we are currently
in the conceptual stages, so we have

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developed a teaser. We are in
the funding stage to find funding for the

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movie, but basically movies perhaps the
wrong label. We want to create an

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experience and the best thing I can
refer to it is when an astronaut is

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in space and it looks out of
the portal towards the Earth. Many of

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these astronauts have a very deep spiritual
experience that cannot be unfelt. It's like

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they completely change in a matter of
seconds. And basically, with the use

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of smart technology and acoustic vibrations and
colors and frequencies, we want to create

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a similar kind of experience so that
people basically see the world in a completely

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holistic different way and that they cannot
undo that feeling, and that this is

679
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the opening or the seed as you
will, to start that in a journey.

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And yeah, basically we're currently in
the creative process, so we are

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developing a minimal viable product to see
if you can create a similar experience here

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on Earth using smart technologies. But
it's a it's a project we just started

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two years two months ago in the
beginning of the COVID crisis, but it's

684
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now spinning up really fast and we're
now setting up a non for profit in

685
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the US and we are looking for
serious funding and yeah, we're looking forward

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to create our first products and it's
a really exciting project. It's never been

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done, but I really think that
this will impact people on a on a

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mind level but also on a salulary
level. So if you have had this

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experience, you out differently as a
different person, and you're not there yet.

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You have to learn a lot,
you have to try a lot of

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new things. But it open so
a gateway to personal development and it's basically

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what we are working on today.
Oh my gosh, Christian, I am

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so in That is so alluring and
it really moved me to tears listening to

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you talk about that because it's so
elevating. And here we are out of

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time in say thirty seconds or last
Christian, what would you like to live

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our listeners with? I think,
yeah, change starts with yourself. So

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I think the most important thing is
technology won't give us the answer, only

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an answer. The only answers are
inside of us. So start looking for

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this answers. Start to align with
who you truly are, why you're here,

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and how you can contribute to our
society. I think that's the most

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important thing that I can leave people
with. Brilliant Christian, I'm so grateful

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that you crossed my path. Thank
you for joining us today and sharing your

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heart and soul and intelligence. Thank
you, thank you for having me.

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You're welcome listeners. If you want
to learn more about Christian, his book,

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the movie, the experience that he's
out to create, or if you

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want to help bring that to being
by investing or sharing your thoughts or helping

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in some way, go to his
website to start. You can go to

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christiancrom dot com. So it's Christian
c h r I S T I A

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N. Last name is crom hey
r O M M E. So Christiancrome

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dot com. Last week, if
you missed the live show, you can

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always catch it be a recorded podcast. We were on the air with Patrick

712
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David Bett, the CEO and co
founder of PHP Agency, which is a

713
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national financial services company and Think.
He's also the author of Your Next Five

714
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.519
Moves Think Clear, Solve Faster,
scale, bigger, and achieve your vision

715
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.039
as an entrepreneur. We talked about
how this dynamic immigrant businessman has achieved the

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success he has and now his book
can help you do the same. Next

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week, we'll be in the air
with Gabrielle and Brian Bosch of The Purpose

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Company, talking about some of the
key approaches they take to help people discover

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and live their purpose. See you
there. Remember that work is at least

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a third of our life, so
let's work on purpose. Well you hope

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you've enjoyed this week's program. Be
sure to tune in to Working on Purpose

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featuring your host Alas Cortes, each
week one the Voice America Empowerment Channel.

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This week, find your life's purpose
at work,