Riding Technology for Higher Humanity

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There are some people that make their
work just another thing they have to do,

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and there are those that make their
work something that they want to do.

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Welcome to Working on Purpose with your
host Elise Cortez. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration from those
people who have found deeper meaning and

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personal connection to their work life.
It's beyond nine to five, it's working

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on Purpose. Now Here is your
host, Elise Cortez. Welcome back to

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the Working on Purpose program. Next
for tuning in again this week, I'm

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your host, doctor Elise Cortez,
joining you live from Dallas, Texas,

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which is home based for me.
If you've been tuning in for a while,

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Purpose. We're committed to realizing a
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part of life. Leaders inspire people
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passion and business is elevated to unleashing
spectacular cause in the world. Each week

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in these conversations, I hope you
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you think and that you can immediately
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we discuss on this program as a
reflection of the work I do. So

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as you listen, if you catch
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how I might be able to help
at any rate. I'm glad we're connected

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and thanks for listening. Now on
to this week's program with US today is

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Christian Krolmey. He's an international thought
leader, inspiring keynote speaker, techech speaker,

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futurist, and Team Human. Is
the author of the book called Humanification,

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Go Digital, Stay Human. We'll
be talking about his book and just

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what he's learned about where he believes
we're headed in the future as a human

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species interacting with technology. You Joe
today from the Netherlands. Christian, Welcome

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to working on Purpose at US.
Thank you for having me. You are

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so welcome. I'm so grateful that
we found each other on LinkedIn and when

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I looked at what you were doing
and I read your book. Of course,

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you know I had to have you
on the show and share with our

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listeners because I think your message is
critical especially now. Absolutely, yes,

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I think so. So let's kick
and off for our listeners here. As

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I always do, I have a
conversation with my guests ahead of time so

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we can plan what we're going to
talk about. And you said in that

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conversation that you think technology and the
technological in disruption technology is demanding from us

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will make us more human? Will
you say more about that? Yeah?

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Sure. What I really see happening
in the next few years by robotics and

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artificial intelligence is that many jobs,
many skills, will be automated. And

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yeah, if your job is automated, then you start to ask yourself,

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Okay, why is it that I'm
here, What is my purpose? Why

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I'm here? How can I contribute
to society? And well, more and

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more jobs and tasks will be automated, more and more people will start to

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ask that question. And I think
this will start or ignite a journey to

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our inside world. And I think
that's in that way, technology is pushing

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us to go to move towards our
inner world. And that's happening for a

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while now. But now with increasing
technology, which is evolving exponentially fast.

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This process is speeding up rapidly.
I would agree with that, and we're

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going to talk more about what those
skills will entail or illicit for us in

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the workplace. But before we get
there, I think it's really important our

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listeners just really understand a major catalyst
for your own journey, and that was

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how you dealt with your daughter.
Is it Laking? Do you say her

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name? Laking? Lika? Lika's
illness early in her life and how that

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led you to the discoveries that you
write about in your book. Will you

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say a little bit about that story? Yeah? Sure. When she was

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three months old, we discovered that
she had some severe health problems. So

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we went to hospital and they told
us she needs heart surgery right away to

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save her life. But during that
surgery everything that's wrong that could go wrong.

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Her body was not responding to the
medication and to the procedures. So

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they managed to get her heart of
the heart lung machine, and later the

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day we heard that she had a
terminal diagnosis because her heart problems were caused

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by a rare genetic disorder, and
disorder was so rare that there were only

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three or four people in the entire
world with that same disorder, and they

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all died within a couple of months. So based on these literature studies,

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they gave our daughter a terminal diagnosis. So we, of course we didn't

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accept that diagnosis. We did a
second opinion, third opinion, and we

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start to do our own research.
And what you see what is happening in

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hospitals that doctors are looking at a
specific organ or a specific tissue. They

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are highly specialized in a specific topic
or part of the body. And what

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I start to do is to look
more holistically. And if you do that,

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if you look more holistic way towards
the human body and towards health,

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then you see that the body is
a community of over trillions of cells working

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together in harmony, playing one big
symphony. And if you look in that

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way towards cells, then you say, oh wow, that's really amazing how

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they solve problems and how good there
are and managing these huge amount of members

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of cells. And during my search, I discovered something that's completely changed my

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perception of technology of society. What
I discovered is that cells, living cells,

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the building blocks of our human body, are having the same kind of

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behaviors and needs as human beings,
and within groups, these cells solve problems

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in the same way as human beings
do. And basically this led us to

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a new kind of therapy that saved
our daughter's life. Today she's nine years

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old and she's doing great. She's
going to school, she's doing yoga,

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all these things, so she completely
cured. But it also gave me insights

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about how our society evolves, how
organizations evolve, and how human beings are

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evolving. And this is basically a
huge turning point in my life. I

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went from an entrepreneur working eighty hours
a week towards a speaker, an author

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writing about his passion. And this
passion is sharing this insight with the rest

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of the world. And that's basically
what I'm doing right now. And that's

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how you came up with this amazing
word that I find so compelling. Humanification.

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Yes, yes, yes, that's
sure. Yeah. Humanification is basically

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a term that I come up with
myself. It's becoming more human as an

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individual, but also as an organization. Make your processes, your technology is

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more human, but also the society. How can we create a more human

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healthcare system? A more human educational
system and a more human focused government system.

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So basically it's about a try it
about technology, biology, humanity and

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how they collaborate with each other and
how they evolve in a very specific way,

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and this way can help us to
predict where things are going in the

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next ten, twenty or forty years. One of the many things I found

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so compelling about your keynote that I
watched and it was just beyond excellent Christian

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and then reading your book of course
to what I appreciate so much about it,

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and I told you in the email
I sent you, is it really

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gave me insight into where I am
in the world with regard to my business

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and my message. Because of the
way you laid out the waves that you

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talk about our listeners, will you
first situate you talk about there's seven biological

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waves and they map over to mass
those hierarchy of needs. Will you do

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that for us today? Yeah?
Sure. Basically, one I discovered that

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cells have many things in common with
human beings. I started to look more

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into how cells solve problems are in
groups, in communities. So if you

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look at a cell, it has
the same kind of behavior, it multiplies

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its social behavior, they communicate with
each other, and they grow in communities,

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small communities, in tissues and all
these things. And what I start

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to do is look back in history
about one billion years and what I discovered

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is that these cells used biological tissue, biological systems to develop organisms. And

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they went through seven big disruptive waves, and each wave created a new kind

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of species, a new kingdom of
species. And the seventh wave is all

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about the creation of human beings.
So the first wave was about multicellular organisms.

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So single cells start to communicate with
each other and they start to create

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stone like structures like coral. This
keep them safe from the environment, but

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it also helped them to gather or
filter food from the environment more efficiently,

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and that made them grow faster.
So and the second wave was all about

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infrastructure. So cells start to develop
a vascular system, organs digestive systems to

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transform the raw material from the outside
world into nutritions and energy to the inside

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world. Therefore they grew even faster. And there was another needs and it

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was information. So in the third
wave, they just started to develop the

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nervous system and senses for example,
to become more aware of the environment.

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So they increase their survival weave in
that way. The fourth wave was about

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instinct. There was so much information
flowing over these nerve systems that they needed

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some kind of automation, so they
start to develop the reptile brain, which

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is basically the operating system of the
body, and this helped them to automate

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all the internal processes in the all
the biological processes millions of millions a day.

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And it brings us to the fifth
wave, which was all about the

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limbit brain or the social brain or
the memmal brain, which helped us to

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remember things, locations, food,
but also dangerous locations. But it helped

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us also to remember and recognize counterparts
or other creatures organisms, so we start

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to live more in hurdles and groups. The sixth wave was about a new

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cortex brain, and a new cortex
brain helped us to learn and adapt in

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real time so we can stand up
straight, key balance, but also helped

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us to develop tools like weapons and
make fire. And the last biological upgrade,

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the seventh wave, was out the
prefonto cortex, and Prefonto cortex helps

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us to develop language, complex language
like we have today, but also to

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visualize things and to understand conceptual things. And basically, many people think that

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evolution stopped here with the human being. But I noticed that evolution went on,

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but on a much bigger skill and
a much higher pace and speed.

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And what I discovered is that human
beings using technology in organizations go through the

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same waves as the cells using biology
in organisms. So the first wave was

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all about the technological wave. It's
all about the agricultural revolution. So people

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start to gather in groups, bigger
groups. We start to develop stone like

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structures, little villages with walls that
keep us safe from the environment. But

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we also start to filter food from
the environment. That made our communities grow

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even faster. So then we entered
the second wave, which was all about

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infrastructure, and it was the Industrial
revolution about sixteen hundred seventeen hundred. So

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we start to develop industries, but
also the vascular system of our society,

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the oil pipelines, the real roads, and finally the energy grid as we

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know it today. And when we
developed electricity, we noticed that you can

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send messages from one side of the
country to the other side. So this

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sparked the telecom revolution. So we
start to develop the telegraph, the radio,

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the television. We start to develop
senses like the microphone and the camera.

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And basically this network, the nervous
system on our society and on our

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globe, helped us to become aware
of what's happening on the other side of

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the world. It reconnected our humanity. But at a certain level, was

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so much information flowing over this nervous
system, we start to have the need

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to automate things. So in the
nineteen fifties and sixties, companies like IBM

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started to develop computers, microt processors
and operating systems and softwares, which is

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basically the reptile brain of our society. It automates all the internal processes within

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our organizations. And then that's spare
sparked the fifth wave, which was about

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the social media revolution. So in
nineteen ninety five, when the Internet became

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more mature, people start to upload
all kind of information, textual information,

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videos, photos. Basically is the
limbic brain or the social brain that stores

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all kind of relational information, short
term information, and big data and analytics

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tools. We can learn from that
and we can adjust our behavior on a

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global skill. And today we've entered
the sixth wave, which is basically like

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the new cortex is AI in the
cloud. It helps us to learn and

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adapt in real time and to develop
all kinds of tools which can help us

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in many many ways. Finally,
the second wave will be about imagination.

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It's about the equivalent of the prefont
to cortex. This is what I call

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the holographic revolution, where augumented reality, mixed reality will help us to co

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create on a global skill and to
develop one kind of language. And basically,

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if you look at those waves,
each wave is basically a need from

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the hierarchy of Musculov's pyramid. So
the basic need is about survival and then

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comes to the second need is about
security, so our vescular systems are logistics,

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etc. The third wave about connection, so this is about the nervous

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system. The fourth wave is about
automn and emotion, and this is basically

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the reptile brain to automate all the
internal processes. The fifth wave is about

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social so connecting with other people,
exchange insights and information and knowledge. And

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the sixth wave is about artistry.
It's about esthetics, beauty, order symmetry.

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And this is exactly what we are
currently seeing what's happening acting also with

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this crisis which we're in right now, we see that many balances will be

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restored. And finally, the seventh
wave is all about purpose self actualization.

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And if all these layers, all
these needs from the messtional pyramids are automated,

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then we are pushed towards the top
of this pyramid, which is all

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about purpose. And that's why I
think that in the near future, in

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the next five to ten years,
there will be a massive push towards purpose.

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So today I think it's a luxury
to work on your self actualization.

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But I think when many, many
jobs will be automated, and they will

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very soon, this will be something
which is not a luxury anymore, but

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a necessity for many people. So
and this is all happening in front of

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our eyes. It's happened for the
last fifteen thousand years in technology perspective and

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in the last one billion years on
a biological perspective, and it's moving forward

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really fast right now. So that's
basically the summary in a nutshell where the

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waves are about, and these waves
are repeating themselves on every fundamental level of

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our society. So organizations are built
from organisms, organisms are built from cells,

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cells are built from molecules, molecules
are built from atoms. Atoms are

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built from suptomic particles, a subpotomic
particles are built from waves, and within

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each these stages, these seven waves
repeat themselves. So this gave me a

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matrix, a body of knowledge and
pattern which is very reliable. And this

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helps me to predict where technology is
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about to help people to really understand
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their place in this yeah development,
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to this petten and align realign with
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as I have, somebody's told me
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cookies. I find your thinking in
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be so incredibly alluring and listeners,
highly highly highly recommend you pick up his

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book Humanification. The concepts that you
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today and what the future looks like
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If you're just joining us. My
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new meaning. Is the author of
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I'm your host, doctor Elie Cortez, so Christian. One of the things

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you said in our conversations and in
your book that I think is terribly compelling

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and important for our listeners to understand
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you correct me, you said that
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way six, yet our economy,
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at about level four or five.
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absolutely, Yeah. We have developed
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are and where individuals are. We
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and what I found out is that
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the larger organizations are situated on level
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like the reptile brain, they see
something as food as they can eat it

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or they will be eating by it. So if things are new for them,

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they think it's dangerous. So change
new technologies are dangerous for these organizations.

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They see as threats and that's why
they are moving in some kind of

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lock lock in, and they are
it's very difficult to get out of that.

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And it's basically about mindset, because
if people start to embrace technology and

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start to use technology for the good, then they will be able to transform

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their organizations within years. But now
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and I don't think they have that
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really hope that many organizations will be
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environment for people so they can bring
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their work. And if they do
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transcend the level four or five and
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need to be in order to survive
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I think if I understood your book
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at least a step along the journey
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the futures and sharing ideas, collaborating
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connecting with others. That's part of
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these organisms are healthy as long as
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working together in a coherent way and
share information in real time. So I

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really think that we can only trans
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evolution if we start to collaborate on
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technology is helping us to do.
So it's uniting humanity if we use it

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for good, and it's helping to
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it's behind the buttons of those technologies, because if you look at Facebook and

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big social media platforms today, they
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people, and they're not empowering people, but they are enslaving people to go

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through the time line as much as
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go to a new financial incentive where
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these big companies and have incentives which
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think we need to move towards a
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platforms are also the owners. And
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see a massive change in how technology
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Then we will be able to collaborate
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technology, especially in the seventh wave, where we will have holographic technology,

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so you can have a conversation with
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feels if he or she is in
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today in this OVID crisis, when
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feel human at all. It doesn't
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technology closes this gap, we can
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natural. Then we will shift our
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I think this is where humanity is
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body are all collaborating in one big
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think that humans and technology are merging
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is called humanity. And I think
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humanity will wake up and they will
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you too, I find that very
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you describe it especially, and as
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want to give our listeners more hope
to the possibility of embracing technology, because

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as you and I both know,
a lot of people are afraid of technology

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and just what it can bring.
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deeply what you just said there,
because our listeners are you know, behind,

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way behind you, and certainly behind
this conversation. You said in the

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book you talk about the virtual neo
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the old expression of you know,
the head and the clouds. Will you

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say more about that concept and illuminate
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does that mean for us between technology
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it before, but take it back
one more level. Yeah, Basically,

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what you see happening right now is
that we have or start to have artificial

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intelligence in the cloud. And basically
what this artificial intelligence is able to do

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is to combine the intelligence of ten
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so we will have one big hive
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to make decisions as a collective.
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by people in the government or CEOs
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they have a limited the amount of
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these intelligence in tools like artificial intelligence, then we can make we can start

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to make much wiser decisions which are
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it will completely change the fabric of
our society. But we are still on

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the downside of it because AI is
mostly used against us to make profiles and

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to sell as aedhitorials and advertisements.
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it within our ecosystems, it will
help us to empower individuals and to connect

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individuals. And if we are able
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I think some kind of global brain
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is a combination of all the thinking
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people which are working together in these
brains. And this is what technology basically

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it's offering us. It's offering us
a new kind of brain on a much

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higher level, and a brain that
helps us to collaborate seamlessly like the cells

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in our body. You could compare
it with the new cortex your your in

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a human body, for example,
This brain coordinates everything, but it's based

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on equality, so all the cells
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transparency and trust. We are not
yet there with our society, but I'm

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really convinced that we are moving that
way really fast. I find, you

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know, as I like to call
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but certainly a realist based optimists too, who always looks for the best in

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things and people, And so I
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also want to talk a little bit
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of the most basic premise in your
book that I find very compelling and useful

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is that you talk about how we
can learn from nature to solve our biggest

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problems. And you mentioned a few
of them in the book, but I

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think it would be very useful for
our listeners, just as you did for

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me, Christian, as I look
to iterate my business going forward, looking

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to see how you've laid out these
waves and how things progress. Will you

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apply your idea of how we can
learn from nature and say, either you

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want to talk about energy, if
you want to talk about healthcare, how

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can we apply what you've learned from
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I think we can learn so much
from nature simply by looking at how cells,

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cell communities are solving problems. How
do they generate energy, how do

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they distribute energy, how do they
collaborate with each other. I think we

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are always looking outside of us for
solutions, but I think most of the

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solutions are inside of us, literally, And I think with new technologies like

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artificial intelligence, we will be able
to observe those cells and perhaps start to

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speak the language of those cells,
so we can connect with these cells and

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perhaps talk with these cells and learn
from them. Not in the sense that

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we can have a conversation with them, but if we understand the patterns how

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these cells collaborate and how they exchange
information, if we can observe that with

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AI, which is able to measure
very subtile patterns, then we can learn

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from that. And I think nature
is so efficient in organizing things. If

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you look at organisms there, they
are sustainable, they are circular, all

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these things which our society is not. And if we start to look more

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at how nature solved these complex problems, I think then we can rearrange or

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change our transform our society in a
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nature has already all solved all the
problems that we still have ahead of us,

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and by simply looking at nature and
having the right tools like AI for

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example, we can research nature much
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go forward in this direction, that's
a one way I wrote with ending in

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in disaster. So yeah, I'm
very positive about the opportunities with new technologies

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to look into the human body,
to look in the complexity of nature.

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the more we can decode how how how

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biology works. And as I said
before, biology had millions of years to

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solve all these problems, and we
only have to do is to copy those

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solutions and use them ourselves. And
basically what I'm talking about is realigning with

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nature. And yeah, that's basically
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technology enables us to do that.
So one of the things that you said,

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I think in both your keynote and
certainly in your book, and I

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think it's really important we talk about
this Christian because it is the elephant in

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the room, and that is this
this fear that a lot of people have

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about artificial intelligence, And what if
if these artificial intelligence intelligences that you've been

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talking about combined so that and they
actually determine that people aren't actually useful and

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they decide to get rid of us. You have you actually position that you

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don't think that you say that nature
shows is that that that needn't be So

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help us understand why you take a
position that you do that this isn't going

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to be a problem. I think
you can say it very simple. If

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your brains in a cloud say,
okay, these cells in the body,

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we don't need this, then there's
no life possible. So I think it's

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it's it's a symbiosis between those cells
and that brain working together as one make

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organism. And I can I think
that we can see artificial intelligence in a

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cloud in the same way artificial intelligence
is processing the output of human beings,

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and it's it's like a collaboration.
One cannot exist without the other. So

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I think in the future AI will
be our savior. It will help us

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to survive. But there's one but
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you always see that technology is used
by the ego by powerful systems to

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control and to manimplate people in weapons
and all these things we see today as

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well, and within big social media
platforms. And later on, when technology

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is distributed and it's used by the
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for example, as the first cruise missiles

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with GPS sensors or weapons, but
today these GPS sensors are in our smartphones,

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in our cars helping us to navigate. So that's what I mean.

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and later it's used by ecosystems.
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It will be misused by organizations.
You see that, for example,

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what's happening right now in China with
massive veilance and it's facial recognition and social

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crediting system. And I don't hope
that we are going in that same direction

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in the US and Europe, but
we could be. But I think that's

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that's the side effect of having powerful
technology. With great power comes great responsibility.

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technology are not having the right intentions, then this technology is used for bed

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and I think this is what we
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more of it. Autonomous weapons,
all these things will will come. But

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I think eventually, I'm very optimistic
about the self correcting effect of the masses

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of the arrest of the cells.
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like cloning human beings, we won't
allow it and it will be suppressed and

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we will use it for the goods. So we will see some nasty things

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with AI, but it will be
temporary. I think on the long term

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it will help us, beautifully said
Christian, very beautifully said. And I

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think it would help our listeners tremendously, as you did for me in your

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book by talking about how we went
through these evolutions as a human being.

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So you said, for example,
we existed for the longest time with our

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reptilian brain, and then then along
came the limbic brain and etcetera. So

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walk us through how those new technique
you will human slash technological evolutions didn't actually

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do us in well. If you
look at each biological upgrade created basically a

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different kind of consciousness, and these
different kind of consciousness helps us to basically

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manage the world that we were in
and this is happening today as well,

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but now on a massive scale,
bigger skill to give you. For example,

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organisms with a reptile brain, we're
very executive, they're good at hunting

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and very simple talks. Organisms with
a limbit brain, we're also having emotional

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capabilities, so they were able to
connect with other organisms, learn from other

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organisms as well. Organisms with a
new cortex brain we're able to or be

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able to become self conscious, so
they will be able to become aware of

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their own being. And finally,
organisms with the prefoult to cortex human beings,

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almost apiens, became social empaic.
And I believe that we are currently

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moving to these same stages and that
we are now entered the sixth stage,

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which is about AI in the cloud, and this will result in organizations will

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will be self conscious, so they
will have so much sensors and so much

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processing power that they will be able
to become self aware. And eventually I

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think that we will have organizations that
become social empathic. So these will be

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the characteristics how they interact with the
outside world. And if you can choose

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as human being between two organizations and
one has reptilian like characteristics and the other

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one as social impadic. Then I
think the choice is very easily and people

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will massively choose for organizations which are
more human, more social, empathic,

439
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and I think this will create a
massive shift in the way that we interact

440
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with organizations and organizations that are more
human in their communication with our customers.

441
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Those are the one who will grow
exponentially fast, and I think much faster

442
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than the Googles and the Facebook that
we have seen today. So yeah,

443
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I think that these characteristics which appeared
and emerged in these biological waves also emerge

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in technological waves today. And Yeah, therefore, I'm very hopeful that in

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the end we'll have organizations that are
social and peddic. But unfortunately, most

446
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of the organizations right now are still
in the yeah, reptile brain mindset,

447
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and that's they are very aggressive and
defensive towards all kind of new things and

448
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towards competitors. But once we moved
to the tipping point towards those growth needs

449
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in the muscle pyramid, then we
will see a different kind of behavior and

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I think this will result in a
massive change in our society, the way

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we interact with each other, the
way we do business the way we collaborate

452
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on a massive skill. Absolutely,
and that's the future I want to be

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part of. Thank you for saying
that so beautifully in a way that I

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think all of us can get our
heads, hearts and souls around. And

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on that note, let's take our
last break. At least Cortel as your

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host. We're on there with crum. He's an international thought leader, inspiring

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keynote speaker, te tech speaker,
futurist, and team human. He's the

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author of the book called Humanification,
Go Digital, Stay Human. He joins

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it today from the Netherlands. Stay
with us, We're right back. Doctor

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a Lease Cortez is a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational speaker

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and author. She helps companies visioneer
for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose

462
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inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that
elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within

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the workforce. To learn more or
to invite a Lease to speak to your

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organization, please visit her at a
Lease Cortez dot com. Let's talk about

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how to get your employees working on
purpose. This is working on purpose with

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Elise Cortez to reach our program today
send an email to Elise ali se at

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Elise Cortez dot com. Now back
to working on Purpose. Thanks for staying

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with us, and welcome back to
working on Purpose if you're just tuning in.

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My guest is Christian Krom, who
wants us to imagine a future where

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people are center of everything, driven
by purposeful ecosystems, where healthcare systems keep

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us healthy. Children are educated to
listen to their heart and deeply connected to

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each other. We're learning and working
as an entirely new meaning. He's the

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author of Humanification, Go Digital,
Stay Human. I'm your host, doctor

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Elise Cortez. So Christian, I
must confess if I could snuggle open that

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mind of yours, I would absolutely
do that. I so appreciate the way

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that you have thought about this,
where in the beautiful way you were inspired

477
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to pursue this problem to be able
to make sure your daughter has a has

478
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a, had a viable life and
is now thriving. So I really appreciate

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you joining us today. Thank you, You're welcome. So let's for this

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last let's last segment here. I
want to showcase what you were talking about

481
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earlier that you do talk about beautifully
in your book, and again it maps

482
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over to nature so well and gives
us access to it. But you talk

483
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about this idea of swarm intelligence and
this idea of sharing creativity and decision making,

484
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and that whole idea of sharing thoughts
and feelings in real time in a

485
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bigger, more connected way. So
to me, that's like a big database

486
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of emotional intelligence or more. Will
you say more about what you mean and

487
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give us access to that. Yeah, basically it's much more. What I

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think is that's it's already beginning right
now. That's in the last ten twenty

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years, we have interacted with the
Internet on a massive skill. We have

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searched for things, we have bought
and purchased things. All this data say

491
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something about who you are, how
you make decisions, and all these things.

492
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And what you see right now is
that Google and Facebook are already exploiting

493
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those data making profiles that so they
can predict your behavior and they can make

494
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offerings to you which you are very
likely to go into. And I think

495
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this is at this moment, this
data is exploited by big tech companies.

496
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But what if you are owning this
data yourself, and you could put AI

497
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on top of it and all the
decisions that you made in the last ten

498
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.800
twenty years, and every interaction that
you make with the digital world is recorded.

499
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And if you put a top on
top of that, they basically can

500
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reproduce a virtual version of yourself,
not in a way that it's a virtual

501
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:45.480
avatar or a treaty person, but
I really mean your behavior, your decision

502
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:51.960
making capabilities. And if you are
developing a virtual version of yourself, then

503
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this version has the same kind of
knowledge as you are. It can make

504
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.519
the same kind of decisions, It
purchased the same kind of products, and

505
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you will be like the master and
this virtual version of you is the slave.

506
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But it can represent you online.
It can attend meetings for you if

507
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you're not interested to be that meeting, but people need to ask you things.

508
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So basically, you train a virtual
version of yourself which can represent your

509
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in the virtual world. And the
funny thing about this is you can be

510
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at multiple places at the same time, so you can attend ten or one

511
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hundred meetings, or you can give
a lecture on one hundred two undre different

512
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locations worldwide in virtual world. So
with this kind of virtual identity, which

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is intelligent and which can make its
own decisions. Completely new business models appear,

514
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so you can earn money one hundred
places while you're sleeping because your virtual

515
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version is doing the job for you. And I think this is already happening,

516
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and I think in the next five
or ten years we will see more

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of this. But basically, these
virtual versions of yourself, for example,

518
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can vote a million times a day
about your political opinion or what the company

519
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.960
should do. And basically I think
everyone will have a virtual version of itself,

520
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a virtual twin, and these virtual
twins are connected to massive decision making

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systems. So if you look at
the democracy, for example, if all

522
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these virtual representations of the real people
in the virtual world can vote on any

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question they that is asked to them, so you can start to make real

524
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time decisions as a group. And
I think this is the hive mind idea

525
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that when we are living in this
non virtual world, in a real world,

526
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our virtual version of us can do
things in the virtual world, and

527
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if it doesn't, if it isn't
sure about something, it can ask you

528
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for a commission or if you agree
with that, and by doing so,

529
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this virtual version of you is learning
all the time. So every time it

530
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doesn't know something exactly, it will
ask you for confirmation and then it learns

531
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and in the next time it can
answer that question as well. So I

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think this is what's going to happen
in the next few years. And it

533
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only will happen if these big tech
companies like Google and Facebook don't own your

534
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.599
data anymore, but when you start
to own a data yourself, and we

535
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:15.519
already see many developments in its direction
with blockchain technology AI in a blockchain,

536
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So this is basically a distributed version
of what we're currently seeing at Google and

537
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Facebook. And when this happens,
I think, yeah, it will unleave

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magic because we can work at warp
speed with each other and we can make

539
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decisions much faster. We can co
create on a massive skill. Even when

540
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you're sleeping at night. You can
share your insights and all your knowledge and

541
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.280
know how with many people and they
can pay you a little bit for that.

542
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So yeah, I'm really looking forward
to have a digital level and it

543
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will It will make my life definitely
a much more easier and more fun because

544
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because when this digital level is taking
care of all the boring stuff online that

545
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:59.039
you're not interested in, you can
really start to focus on what really matters,

546
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and that's I think you're purpose and
the reason why you're here. So

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I'm really looking forward to this,
this technology which is being developed right now

548
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.840
already. So I want to make
sure that our listeners are tracking what you

549
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:14.079
just said. They're Christian, because
you and I've had a conversation or two

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00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:15.880
about it, and of course I
wrote your book and I've watched and listen

551
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to you. One of your keynotes
that essentially what you're really processing for is

552
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.639
is that, contrary to what so
many people might imagine, that technology has

553
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:29.519
the ability to set us free as
individuals, as human beings. Yes,

554
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.960
absolutely, yeah, I think technology
will automate more and more of our basic

555
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:38.360
needs and at a certain time we
are released from our boring tasks and boring

556
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:43.800
skills that we have to do because
technology is taken care of all of that.

557
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.000
And for example, if you have
an autonomous car which is driving for

558
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.639
you, you can start to meditate, or you can read a book,

559
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.280
or you can watch a movie and
educate yourself. And this is happening in

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every area and people are many many
people are asking me if, okay,

561
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are we not going to be dumber
because technology is doing all the thinking for

562
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:05.599
us. I don't think so.
I think when technology is doing the boring

563
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.760
stuff, we start to focus on
things that really matter, creating music,

564
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.679
creating creative content, on all these
things. And if you do so much

565
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.320
bigger part of your brain is used
when you're aligned with your purpose. So

566
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.159
yeah, that's basically what's happening.
It sets us free. It helps us

567
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.199
to focus on what really matters,
and that's happening already in this couple a

568
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:28.840
few years ahead of us, but
it will definitely happen in the next five

569
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:30.480
or ten years. Before, well
before I met you, a Christian several

570
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.559
years ago, I had a very
similar sort of thought about technology and that

571
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.559
it would basically what I would What
I said then is it would kick us

572
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:43.039
upstairs. And what I mean by
that, and why I was also gravitating

573
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into your book is I do know
massles work very well, and so when

574
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I did my meaning and work research, what I discovered is that when people

575
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:55.039
experience their work at the higher levels
of Massow's hierarchy, no surprise, they

576
00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.440
found their work much more meaningful,
and that work generally mapped over to become

577
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:05.639
more important for their overall sense of
identity and their purpose. So what I

578
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.719
discovered, For example, I remember
just being in the airport and watching I

579
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.679
realize that the bin process when you
win through security had been automated. So

580
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.280
what used to be a person literally
moving bins back and forth for us to

581
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:20.199
put our stuff into had been taken
over by a machine. And my first

582
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.480
thought was good, I don't want
that person doing that kind of work.

583
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:27.280
I want him or who are engaging
with travelers about where they're going, helping

584
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.599
them solve their problems. And so
presencing for our listeners, really the possibility

585
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:37.800
of how we can become the best
possible version of ourselves because of technology enabling

586
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.480
us is really what I want to
make sure our listeners hear from us.

587
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:43.599
Yeah, this is definitely happening.
We are pushed to watch our purpose if

588
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.800
you like it or not. So
it's and for many people it will be

589
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:51.480
a very hard experience to look in
at mirror and to I think, because

590
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.079
many people identify themselves with their jobs, with their skills, But what happens

591
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:59.559
when those skills are automated Off the
job is automated, then that's identification is

592
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.639
gone and you start to you have
to reidentify who you really are, So

593
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:07.239
I think that is I think we
will see a spiritual revolution almost that people

594
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:12.480
start to make the energy journey,
start to ask themselves to questions, who

595
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.199
am I, what I really like
to do here, and what is my

596
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:19.000
purpose here on earth? And I
think that's a very positive thing too to

597
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.440
look forward to. Well, and
that's sort of the camp that I'm in

598
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.920
Christian right, So no surprise that
you and I have if we will collided

599
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.719
with each other. That's exactly where
I'm going, certainly in my work and

600
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:34.199
what I'm doing to facilitate this opportunity
and experience inside organizations and as a work

601
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.800
experience is to really elevate it to
much more not just human level, but

602
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:44.159
a spiritual, emotional, spiritual level. So I'm definitely working to advance that

603
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:50.199
as well as we work to continue
to evolve the technology alongside all. Right,

604
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.119
So, by this point, if
our listeners aren't convinced that they need

605
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.679
more of you, I don't know
what it would take for them to be

606
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:59.519
convinced of that, but I think
it's useful at this point to introduce this

607
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.519
idea year that you haven't that you
mentioned in your book about the humanification institute,

608
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.039
and I read it as it's a
hub for solving real world problems and

609
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.159
business challenges in practical ways. Tell
us about this institute and how people can

610
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.199
be involved. Yeah, Basically,
it's a group of people which is expanding

611
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.760
rapidly and we are developing all kinds
of tools which are helping people to make

612
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.199
that personal journey. After my keynote, many people have questions. It's an

613
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:29.000
eye opener. People see how the
world really operates and they start to see

614
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.320
that perhaps the job they are currently
doing is not their purpose and they start

615
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.199
to yeah, start to go on
their own quest to find that purpose.

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So basically, in the institute we
develop a set of tools. For example,

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we have developed a conscious mapping technology
which maps the consciousness on me,

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we world on it perspective in four
quadrants. So people are asking multiple questions

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and they go through these questions and
we can map where your mindset is on

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which way if you're serving on a
collective level your organization, but also on

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an individual level. And these tools
helps to make the next step because if

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people see they need change, if
they need to change their their their life,

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but they don't know where to start, and these tools help people to

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start at the right level and make
progress and start it in a journey.

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And basically the institute is basically a
help for all these kind of small think

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thanks small organizations that can provide services. It's like an app store, all

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kinds of services that help people to
start it in a journey, to start

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it journey towards their purpose. And
it's all about personal development. And I

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really think that in the next two
wave Wave stix and Wave seven, it

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will be all about personal development.
It's the top of the pyramid of Maslov

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and this is where the biggest companies
will exist in the future. They will

632
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be much bigger than the Googles and
the facebooks of today, and it will

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all about education, but education in
a new way. So educate yourself,

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grow as a person, start to
align more and more with who you truly

635
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are, and it's basically changing your
your passion. And this is what we

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want to facilitate in this institute.
So it's an organization, it's a platform,

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and more and more people start to
connect and yeah, it's a really

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fun place to be and to share
insights and thoughts with other people, like

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minded people. Is this a matter? Is this a membership or how do

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people get access to this Christian for
our listeners. Basically, today it's a

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small amount of startups which I'm precipitated
participating and investing in. But we are

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looking forward to create a movement and
an online platform where people can join after

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00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.559
seeing my movie or after seeing the
keynote and they want to do more,

644
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.280
want to know more, that's when
this should be the place where they can

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get that information and stuff. So
it's it's we are currently creating it.

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It's still small, but we want
to create an online platform which is able

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to grow exponentially fast and facilitate more
and more people. I'm in and I'm

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on a similar quest as well.
Interestingly enough, so I don't have quite

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the resources that you do, but
it's a very similar sort of journey that

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I'm on as well. You've already
teased it for us Christian and you know

651
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I've talked about it, But tell
us about this movie you're making. Sorry,

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yeah, this movie. Basically Yeah, like many other people, I

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think in this in this COVID crisis, you start to ask yourself, Okay,

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what is really important to me when
I cannot travel, when I cannot

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do my keynotes all over the world
and On the Shelf was a project for

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00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:29.840
two or three years now and it
was my movie project. One of my

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first companies was about creating commercials and
treaty effects and special animations for companies.

658
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So this is basically what I'm really
good at, so making complex things simple

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and visualize them in a way that
everyone can understand. This. So my

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real dream is to create a movie
that impacts at least one billion people on

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00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.920
global skill because I truly think that
if one people one billion people start to

662
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align with their purpose, we will
have a critical mass and this critical mass

663
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will infect the other nine or ten
billion people on Earth. So we start

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to make a transition. And this
movie is basically about the seven waves which

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are repeating themselves on every level of
our universe, so that people create a

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more holistic view of our organizations,
of biology, of everything in our universe

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00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:17.960
basically, and also show them the
tools in our roadmap, basically how we

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can create a more sustainable and peaceful
future which is fully aligned with nature,

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fully sustainable, fully circular. And
this is basically what the movie is about.

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And we are currently in the conceptual
stages, so we have developed a

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teaser. We are in the funding
stage to find funding for the movie,

672
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but basically movies perhaps the wrong label. We want to create an experience and

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the best thing I can revert to
it is when an astronaut is in space

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and it looks out of the portal
towards the Earth. Many of these astronauts

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have a very deep spiritual experience that
cannot be unfelt. It's like they completely

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change in a matter of seconds.
And basically, with the use of smart

677
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technology and acoustic vibrations and colors and
frequencies, we want to create a similar

678
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kind of experience so that people basically
see the world in a completely holistic different

679
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way and that they cannot undo that
feeling, and that this is the opening

680
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or the seat as you will,
to start that inner journey. And yeah,

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basically we're currently in the creative process, so we are developing a minimum

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viable product to see if we can
create a similar experience here on Earth using

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smart technologies. But it's a it's
a project we just started two years two

684
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months ago in the beginning of the
COVID crisis, but it's now spinning up

685
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:43.280
really fast and we're now setting up
a non for profit in the US and

686
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we are looking for for serious funding
and yeah, we're looking forward to create

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our first products. And it's a
really exciting project. It's never been done,

688
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but I really think that this will
impact people on a on a mind

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level but also on a salular level. So if you have had this experience,

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you out differently as a different person. You're not there yet, you

691
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have to learn a lot, you
have to try a lot of new things.

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But it's open so a gateway to
personal development and it's basically what we

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are working on today. Oh my
gosh, Christian, I am so in.

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That is so allering. It really
moved me to tears listening to you

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talk about that because it's so elevating
and here we are out of time in

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say thirty seconds or last Christian,
what would you like deliver our listeners with?

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I think, yeah, change starts
with yourself. So I think the

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most important thing is technology won't give
us the answer, only an answer.

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The only answers are inside of us. So start looking for those answers.

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Start to align with who you truly
are, why you're here, and how

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you can contribute to our society.
I think that's the most important thing that

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I can leave people with brilliant Christian. I'm so grateful that you crossed my

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00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:45.679
path. Thank you for joining us
today and sharing your heart and soul and

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00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.400
intelligence. Thank you, thank you
for having me. You're welcome listeners.

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If you want to learn more about
Christian, his book, the movie,

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00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.480
the experience that he's out to create, or if you want to help bring

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that to being by investing or sharing
your thoughts or helping in some way,

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00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.920
go to his website to start.
You can go to christiancrom dot com.

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So it's Christian c h r I
S T I A N. Last name

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is krom he r O M M
E. So christiancrom dot com. Last

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week, if you missed the live
show, you can always catch it be

712
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recorded podcast. We were on the
air with Patrick David Bett, the CEO

713
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and co founder of PHP Agency,
which is a national financial services company,

714
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.559
and he's also the author of Your
Next Five Moves, Think Clear, Solve,

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00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:27.719
Faster, Scale bigger, and achieve
your vision as an entrepreneur. We

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talked about how this dynamic immigrant businessman
has achieved the success he has and now

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00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:35.119
his book can help you do the
same. Next week, we'll be in

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the air with Gabrielle and Brian Bosch
of The Purpose Company, talking about some

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of the key approaches they take to
help people discover and live their purpose.

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See you there. Remember that work
is at least a third of our lives,

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So let's work on purpose. You
hope you've enjoyed this week's program.

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Be sure to tune in to Working
on Purpose, featuring your host Alice Cortez,

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each week on the Voice America Empowerment
Channel. This week, find your

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life's purpose at work,