Logotherapy in Nation Building in the Middle East and Beyond

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

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People ache for meaning and purpose at
work, to contribute their talents passionately

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and know their lives really matter.
They crave being part of an organization that

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inspires them and helps them grow into
realizing their highest potential. Business can be

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such a force for good in the
world, elevating humanity. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want

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working on purpose. Now Here is
your host, doctor Elise Cortes. Welcome

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back to the Working in Purpose Program. Thanks for tuning in again this week.

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I'm your host, doctor Release Cortes, joining you live from Dallas,

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which is home base for me.
If you don't know me yet, I'm

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a management consultant specializing in meaning and
purpose, organizational logo therapist, inspirational speaker,

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social scientists, and author. I
help companies discover and articularly their purpose,

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to thread it through culture and operations. I work with organizations to develop

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inspirational leaders who create cultures where people
actually want to come to work and do

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their best. And I provide programs
like the Grab Your Gusto that enable individual

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team members to discover and unleash their
passion and purpose at work to catalyze fulfillment,

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engagement, and productivity. You'll learn
more about me and how we can

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work together at eleastcore test dot com
or gustodashow dot com. With us today

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is Dahliah gab Geb, the founder
of Local Therapy Mina, the official loco

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therapy institution in the Mina region.
She's out to take humunity to the next

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level in the Amina region of the
world. Only talking about her experiences leading

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up to founding this institution, the
problem she stands to address in the Arab

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speaking countries she serves, and how
she's designed her work informed through local therapy

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to help the region. She joins
us today from Lebanon, Daliyah. Welcome

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to working on Purpose. Thank you, doctor Elise, Thank you for hosting

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me today and that it is meaningful
to be with you to share therisk things,

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stuff that you talked about and not
only for ourselves, with our world

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and community. So thank you for
hosting me with you. You're so very

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well. But again for our listeners, if you would please say your name

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correctly for us, because I know
I didn't pronounce it correctly. Say it

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how it's supposed to be said.
Yes, it is Dahlia great, but

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because we don't have the hit in
the English language, so you can pronounce

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it Dahlias gep, it's a gamp. It's a gamp. Okay, great.

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Well. I always like to tell
our listeners and viewers how I find

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my guests. And so you and
I were reminding our very own business.

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Was it last week maybe two weeks
ago? We were both attending the Victor

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Frankel World Congress and the twenty third
one for that matter, and we were

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both presenting our diplomat work. And
so, ladies and gentlemen, what that

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really means is that we're essentially learning
a program. We're studying a program,

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which is like doing a master's level
in lagal therapy, except we call it

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a diplomat. So she was presenting
her research, I was presenting mine,

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and I heard what she was up
to. I said, oh, no,

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you have to come on my radio
show and share what you're doing.

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This is amazing. Talk about working
on purpose, This is just great.

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So let's crack into your content.
So you started off your journey here when

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one of the things that intrigue when
you were sharing is that you met doctor

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Victor Frankel's wife Ellie some years ago. So if you could tell us what

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it was, what you were doing
back then, what led up to that

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meeting, and why was it so
transformative for you? Let's start there.

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Well, you know, Elise,
if I want to describe this stage of

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my life, this was a stage
of search. I was searching and searching

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and searching. Though I had my
work, which was stable, secure whatsoever,

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but I always felt like emptiness inside
of me that's driving me to find

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something that I don't know yet what
it is. So I had read the

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book of doctor Victor and I have
decided to visit center in Vienna. When

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I have finished my visit, I
was like walking on the street and an

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old lady she came and told me
you're beautiful. I said to her,

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thank you. She told me from
where you are? I told her I'm

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from Lebanon, and then she replied
me and Victor, we have never went

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to Lebanon. I was like,
you and Victor? Who's Victor? She

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told me I am the wife of
Victor Franco. Can you imagine, Elis,

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there are no near coincidences in this
world. It was just like a

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direct message that Dania, there is
a meeting in this moment for you,

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be aware about it, open your
eyes. This is what you were searching

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for. So this was what we
called the logo therapy, a meeting of

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the moment. And also this became
my logo anchor that I always get back

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to and remember whenever I have like
challenges in my new institute, which is

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logo therapy, you know, and
I always remember I ended up with doctor

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Victor Streikel's house, sitting on his
own desk, wearing his glasses, going

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into his archive room, knowing details
about his life that I hope one day

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I would put it in a book
of mine. We never know. So

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it was transformative because I saw it
with the new eyes, with the new

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glasses, that there is something there
and I took a choice to do something

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about it. Dahlia, A couple
of things. First, you and I

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there must be a reason that we
were called to logo therapy, because I

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absolutely felt that existential vacuum as well
from the mid twenties to about my early

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thirties until I got into my PhD
program, And that's what led me into

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that space. So that's amazing and
the other thing that's fascinating you. As

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you know, doctor Victor Frankl died
in nineteen ninety seven, which is about

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the time when I was going into
my PhD program. So I feel somehow

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like you and I are connected to
that torch right he was leaving and he

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passed it over to us. And
not just you and I, but all

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of us are part of the Logo
Therapy community across the world. But isn't

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that amazing? It is amazing,
And what is great about that is,

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like always doctor Victor Frankel, he
insisted that he doesn't want parrots that rehash

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their master's voice. He wanted innovative, inventive and creative spirit. So this

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is why he like handed us this
legacy for us to develop it, each

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one in his own way and in
his or her own talents. This is

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why in Logos Therapy, a logo
of the institute, it is the torch

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with the three flames that they are
the three dimensionality of the human being,

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and we're going to pass it to
others. It's not for us. It

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is for us to be fulfilled and
others to amazing amazing. So since the

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meeting with doctor Vitel, Victor Frank
Frankel's wife, La, I'm interested to

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understand how you built your career along
the way to where you're actually launching logo

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therapy Mena today. That just seems
like an incredible feat and I so admire

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what you're up to. How do
you get there? Well, it is

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a journey, this is what I
can say. It's like when you discover

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meaning. The post meaning phase is
different than the pre meaning phase. I

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had like to let go of different
things in my life, out of which

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my previous work that I have worked
in it almost like fifteen years in the

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domain of medical equipment capacity building medical
science is only not so well. It

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was interesting, but it was time
like to let go. So the first

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thing I say was letting go of
previous meaning to this bigger meaning. The

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second thing working on my knowledge so
I would be credible if I want to

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work with people in logo therapy,
I should know what logo therapy talks about,

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its theory and practice. But in
parallel to that, I say that

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with the curriculum, there was a
knowledge that I was building for myself by

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tremendous readings about not only doctor Victor
Franklin, but also other local therapists such

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as Joseph Fabree Elizabeth Lucas. So
in addition to what we study in our

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life, it's not enough by itself. We have to develop it by working

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also on other areas. And what
I say that it made the most tremendous

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thing is choice, the courage,
because it's not easy to leave everything and

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step in into a new field and
new place that we don't know anything about,

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but it was worth it. And
just let me here say that I

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have undergone my studies at Victor Frankel
Institute of Local Therapy, Texas, USA,

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which I is thankful for them for
the program. And I want to

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sell you to doctor Cynthia Alwinberley.
She is my mentor and my professor,

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and without her I wouldn't be here
because she believed a lot in what I

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do. So wonderful, wonderful.
That's the same place that I did my

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studies as well. So we you
and I attended the same the same same

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university. If you will. We
are visionary with the institute, yeah we

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are, and I'm and so I
bring mine into I bring my logo therapy

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practice inside organizations and of course your
focus is on building nations, which is

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incredible. So for our listeners who
like me, before I met you didn't

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know what MINA stands for. Let's
let's talk about what MINA stands for and

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also what countries you're out to serve. Yeah, MINA, it is Middle

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East and North African region. There
are lots of termination related to this region

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of the world. It is Middle
East GCC, golf countries, No Africa,

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and Cyprus. There are other resources
that add Turkey and the Persian countries

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and additional countries, but my focus
is mainly on Middle East GCC, North

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Africa and Cyprus too, So mainly
the Arab speaking work in addition to Cyprus.

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Okay, now that said, that's
that's who we are out to help

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and serve. So let's talk about
the what opportunity or problem or setup problems

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are you trying to address through logo
therapy. Well, you know Elis the

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Nina region is a very interesting spot
of the world because it includes the sixty

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percent of the oil reserves in the
world and forty five percent of the gas

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reserves. This is why it makes
it responsible of a big part of the

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stability to our law, which is
not easy because it is raising the conflicts

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in the region regarding these resources.
In addition to that, but it is

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the place where the three big religions
in the world, which are the Judas,

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the Christianity and the Islam has arised. So imagine what struggles of religious

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powers are available in this region.
So we are talking about the pursuit of

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pleasures, about the pursuit of power, about underlying agendas, be it internal

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or external. And what pulled me
into putting logo therapy in a state that

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why not to use logo therapy as
it works on the authenticity of the individual

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and the defiant power of the spirit
to make use of it to instill more

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peace and a different healthy dynamics in
the region. So this is why I

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have decided to call the project Logo
Therapy in Building Nations in order to influence

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these dynamics that are Okay, I'm
sitting here one large goosebump, my dear,

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it's just so inspiring that you're taking
this on. It's so incredible,

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it's so necessary, it's so important
that I'm so glad, I'm so happy

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to know you and sure the car
yes exactly right. Well, and how

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wonderful that you're willing to take that
on. That's amazing to me. So

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all right now, the next thing
we need to talk about is you're in

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the country Lebanon, and you say, I, of course read your diplomat

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paper. It's beautifully written, thank
you very much, and you say your

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country is key to this initiative and
starting there it'll be used as a model.

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So tell us your rationale. Why
do you I know because I read

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your diplomat, but our listeners and
viewers don't know. What's your rationale for

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using Lebanon as a model. Well, I insisted to start it from my

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country, and this for different reasons. Although the country is passing now and

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lots of challenges be it economical,
political, financial, why, security,

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why, etc. Especially after the
Beirut blast on August twenty twenty that had

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drastic consequences on all Lebanon. But
at the same time, Lebanon has lots

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of uniquenesses which out of that,
it is an educational hub where various people

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from different regions in different countries and
our region come to get their studies.

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Second, it is based on a
democratic republic regime which leaves the freedom of

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choice of speech of saying our opinion, which is not available in many countries

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of the Mena region. And also
it is the last country with Christian presidency

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in the whole Mena region, which
helps in the diversity in the different denomination

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and religions that are present in this
same country, which brings diversity and more

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cultural values. This addition to like
many innovative programs, and it like Lebanon

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is considered an innovative hub where we
always bring up with new ideas to spread

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it all along the region. So
for all these reasons, in addition to

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the reason of course that I am
from Lebanon, I wanted to start the

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project from there, and I always
like had this thing in mind, like

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the Phoenicians who were the original native
people of Lebanon who had discovered the alphabet

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and spread it to the whole word, I want also to spread local therapy

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to my region and to the whole
word from the same spot. So it's

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like emotional thing. Plus in addition
to the whole reasons that I mentioned,

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it's just beyond yummy. So now
let to take a one more level.

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This is really where it's at here. So I want to help. Have

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you shared with our listeners and viewers, your vision of loco therapy mean?

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In other words, what does the
mean of region look like? When you've

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realized your purpose to build nations tough
loco therapy, what do you hope to

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accomplish your work well? The vision
of loco Therapyina is to build communities and

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empower individuals whose life is primary,
anchored and centered on meaning. So what

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I am willing to do with that
is to work from the pyramid from down

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to the top level, so that
each individual or organization or corporation or even

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the political leadership would be based on
meaning, not on the pursuit of pleasure

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or the pursuit of power. So
my vision is to have these communities with

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meaning instilled as the core of its
dynamics, and of course after that to

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spread it all along the region,
where to build in each country a logo

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therapy institute that would work directly in
cooperation with logos Therapya onsite with the people.

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Because by myself I cannot do anything, and I believe in the power

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of we, so we always have
to put our hands together in order to

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arrive to higher legs. Slightly ambitious
Dahlia and I'm thrilled to be with you

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on this journey. It's fabulous and
I'm that part of it, Doctor Elie,

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I am. I'm part of the
way, and I'm very proud to

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be so, so thank you for
that. And let's grab our first break

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we've been on. We've on the
air with UH with Dahlia. She's the

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founder of Logo Therapy Mina, the
official logo therapy institution in the Mena region.

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We've been talking a bit about where
this idea, this vision came from

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and what she hopes to accomplish.
After the work, we're going to talk

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about the preventative role of logo therapy
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management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose
and inspirational speaker and author. She helps

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companies visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders
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cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance,
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more or to invite Elise to speak
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Eleasecortes dot com. Let's talk about
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This is Working on Purpose with doctor
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today or open a conversation with Alise, send an email to Aleise Alise at

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welcome back to working on Purpose.
Before we get back to the program,

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I'd like to invite you to check
out my book that I brought out last

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November. It's called Purpose Ignited,
How Inspiring Leaders Ignite passion and Elevate Cause.

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It's now on Amazon. I wrote
that book to awakened readers to their

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passion and purpose and help transform them
into the inspirational leaders who enliven in the

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workplace and elevate the contribution of business
to all at stakeholders. Definitely aligns with

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the work that Zalia is doing.
I also use the content of the book

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as a basis for my Vitally Inspired
Leadership program, and I grab your Gustar

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programs as well. If you're just
joining my program today, my guest is

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Dalia Grab, the founder of Logo
Therapy Mina, the official logo therapy institution

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in the Mena region. I'm your
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this segment, here what I want
to do, Deleah, because since I

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did read your book, I think
it's so interesting the way that you talk

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about through your logo therapy lens that
you're out to address and apply preventative role

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through logo therapy to address some of
the widespread issues you see in the Mena

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region. So I want to talk
about each of them and how you see

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them addressing and playing out what you're
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that you talk about is the misuse
of free will, So how can you

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use logo therapy or your work through
logo therapy to address the misuse of free

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will? Amazing? Before talking about
the specific point, doctor Elise, I

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want to withdraw the attention about the
importance of what we call logo education.

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It's very important when we have a
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but we also work in a perception
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the concept of meaning and purpose and
logo therapy to people before anything would happen,

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that would prevent lots of things and
it will enhance each meaning, each

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individual to be on meaning and purpose. So this is the concept of logo

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education, which is a big part
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of free will that you did mention
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will is one of the main tenets
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we mean that if we are in
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that we want to reduce ourselves only
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not valid. We have a defiant
power through our three dimensionality that helps us

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to rise above the situations no matter
what these situations are, through the free

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will and through our choices, and
we are not reduced to it. We

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have a defiant power that helps us
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this is very important to be used
in our mena region where we have always

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undercontrollable things that they are happening and
challenging stuff on different levels, so we

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always have a free will to rise
about it excellently explained. Thank you,

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and also thank you for situating us
in the logo educational realm, because people

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don't quite understand really what we mean
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we convey that what you're doing is
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so we want that was a perfect
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to address the misuse of free will
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area you talk about is irresponsibility.
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emphasized on something that is freedom without
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we have freedom, if it is
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will have dressed consequences. And also
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we see. It is not enough
to take responsibility. It's like doing what

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we are asked to do. We
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and goals that no one has told
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and our spirit. So the responsibility
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towards our mission, and it's also
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we came here to live and to
accomplish. So if we place this in

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our region, if each person would
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then we will take it up the
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hmm. Okay, So now the
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in the region is inauthenticity of values, how does that there in the region

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well? Values, In logo therapy, we say that we don't have values.

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Values are who we are. This
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therapy. They institute our belief system. So consequently, if I am just

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moving with values that they are misplates
towards power or pleasure agendas, this will

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be inauthentic. Why if I have
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his self chosen values, and to
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purposeful goals, then the outcome would
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different. You know, it's fascinating
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much aligns with what I've been saying. What I'm out speaking is I am

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imploring people to be able to discover
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their purpose as well, and then
serve from that because the world desperately needs

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their gifts. So I really align
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of values, the importance of being
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that space, really aligns with work
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It needs facing yourself, it needs
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easy, but it's doable. Yes, it does take courage. Yeah,

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but it feels amazing when you do
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flood, the area that you talk
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through logo education is unhealthy attitudes.
Tell us about what that means in the

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region. Well, the attitude and
and values and logo therapy are considered the

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highest types of values because they are
the ones that help us deal with what

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we call the tragic try it that
it's composed of Faid's suffering, guilt and

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transitoriness of life which is dead.
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a process will help us transform this
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it into human accomplishment achievement. So
the reality here in the region, it's

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not easy. So if we work
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that this try it there is something
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would be shaping healthy individuals that they
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attitude and and values and the healthy
attitude plays a big crucial part in what

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we do in local therapy in the
future. Talia, you have a fantastic

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command of logo therapy. It really
is impressive. And how you just narrated

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the tragic, the tragic triad,
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So listeners and viewers, what she's
talking about here is really, as she

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said, the essence of logotherrapy that
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that was expertly done. Beautiful.
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At least when you are on meaning
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So I know I'm aware of it, but you're You're brilliant, So

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it's just wonderful. So okay.
The fifth thing that you talk about you

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want to addressed through logo education is
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show up in your region? Well, that's a big thing because doctor Victor

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Franco always stated that the two main
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conformists and collectivist if we want.
He believed that each individual has his own

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vocation and mission and each one of
us is the replaceable in what he does.

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For example, I work in logo
therapy. You work in logo therapy

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too. We have different colleagues that
they are working in logo therapy too.

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But what I do is totally different
than what you do. So if I

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don't do it, who will do
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is lost, it's like a part
of our word is lost because I would

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have taken my part of myself and
throw it in the garbage and it won't

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happen again because I won't come to
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So the loss of uniqueness is the
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will lead to stopping to bring our
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we as supposed to. So uniqueness
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to me as well. Okay,
so now that's amazing, and so I

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want to go back again. How
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before about helping people to really understand
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purpose in order to serve from it. Because when we do, what happens

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is, to your point, see
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way that no one else can see. It's like we have a set of

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our own very unique set of superpowers
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to address that which we can serve
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is our opportunity. And I love
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whole mean a region. That's just
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Yes, And it is like it
gives power to the individual by knowing that

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he or she are irreplaceable and they
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will pull them more to be to
achieve, more, to be responsible,

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more to ask more, to discover
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of you, you are irreplaceable and
you are of a value. You are

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unique. Don't give it away and
don't compromise on it. M extraordinary,

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Okay, sot. The next area
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through logo education is unconscious choices.
Yea so well choice. Doctor Victor Frankel

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says something human being is a deciding
me. So we are what we choose.

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We are what we choose to be. So choices plays a big role

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in logotherapy. And when we say
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based on values, the choices that
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and where it will lead us independently
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So imagine, like I have considered
my encounter with Alie just that's it,

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and it was beautiful, and I
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something about it. Lo was their
opinion. Adelina region wouldn't have a listed

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So that's how important the conscious choices
are. And in general, conscious choices

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are out of the box and out
of the normal, So don't be afraid

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from it. Excellent, Excellent,
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you say that we are our choices. I completely align with that, absolutely

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align with that. And there's and
we're empowered when we exercise our choice.

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Yeah. And this comes also to
the free will. They are all connected

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because if I know that I am
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then I will be using the freedom
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the first place, and it will
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leaning efforts. Excellent. The last
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this segment here in terms of how
you're using logo education to address an issue,

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but the issue that you also talk
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self transcendence. How are you addressing
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of logotherapy because in it we consider
that our life is not only for our

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self, our life is also for
others. So SELFI transcendence is the capacity

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to go beyond ourselves towards people,
to love, causes, to serve,

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meanings, to fulfill And this is
what we call in logotherapy that I,

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though relationship I cannot exist, just
as I I should exist I And though

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in order for my existence not to
die, I have to give it outside

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of myself to people and to cause. So imagine that in the Nina region

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people will arrive to a point where
it's already present. I'm not saying that

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it's not self transcendence. It's not
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why Lebanon specifically is still striving.
But if we ignite it more and understood

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that our life is not only for
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it will lead to openness. It
will lead to one of the highest values,

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which is love. It will lead
to goodness, so that that's the

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main point of self transcendence and consequently
to different healthy dynamics between the diversity and

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the cultures that they are present in
this future. Mm HM Beautifully said,

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and I'll just add my piece to
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Purpose is always about serving other people, helping other people. It's never about

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serving ourselves, and so we transcend
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that's really what you're also speaking to, Dalia, So beautiful way to finish

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and take us into our last break. Let's go ahead and grab that.

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I'm your host, Doctor Elise Cortez. We've run the air with Dalia kreb

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Of, the founder of Loco Therapy
Mina, the official Loco therapy institution in

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the Mena region. We've been talking
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education that she will be using or
is using through the various learnings and workshops

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that she has designed. After the
break, we're going to hear more about

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her specific approach to nation building,
how she actually plans to pull it off.

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Stay with us, we'll be right
back. Doctor Elise Cortes is a

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management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose
and inspirational speaker and author. She helps

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companies visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders
and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused

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cultures that elevate fulfillment performance and commitment
within the workforce. To learn more or

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to invite Elise to speak to your
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com. Let's talk about how to
get your employees working on purpose. This

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is working on Purpose with doctor Elise
Cortes. To reach our program today or

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open a conversation with Alise, send
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dot com. Now back to working
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their purpose. It's on Amazon.
I am so proud of this thing.

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I could bust so being able to
showcase stories like yours, Dahlia is just

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facts By the way, I'm about
to curate a second collection. Would love

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to have your story and that we'll
talk about that later on, but I'd

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love to catch your story for the
next series. So that's at least that

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you are. You are focusing on
this part by bringing me with you and

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of course other people, because if
you know logos act, we say,

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really is the sight guys of our
time. It is the era of meaning

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and purpose. So you see all
people or organizations, institution, it's everywhere

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in the world. It's boiling and
so by it you will take humanity to

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the next level. And what you're
doing is great by bringing lots of people

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in your show talking about this issue. Well, thank you, so welcome,

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so welcome. I am so happy
we're connected. You can run from

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me, but you can't hide.
Absolutely, I'm going to run. Okay,

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good, good, or if I
do our rand slow so you can

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catch me, right okay. So
segment, what I want to do now

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is bring it all home. So
we've been talking a bit about where your

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journey came from, what's really firing
you, and what are some of the

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things that you want to address in
your region through a logo therapy, educational

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00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.280
lens. Now I want to talk
about your actual plan to infuse logo therapy

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principles entities in order to build nations, which is just remarkable. Talk about

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an impressive strategy. So you talk
about various entities that you want to be

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able to serve through the workshops and
educational initiatives that you have developed, which

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is extraordinary, and I want to
just talk about, you know, as

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many of them as we can for
the time that we have left in the

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show, and if you would talk
about how you want to be able to

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build each of these entities, these
groups, and how you can serve them

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through your work. So the first
level, of course is individuals. So

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how will you be working using your
material, your workshops, your educational components

435
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to help individuals Doctor Elie's Before talking
about individuals, I want to say some

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thing. A nation In French it
means naissance and a nation in Latin it

437
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means birth. So if we want
a nation to be created and to go

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into the process of birth, we
need to work on each part of it.

439
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Because individuals are those people who will
build a total nation, so they

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are a crucial part of it.
So with individuals, I undergo one to

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one individual sessions loco therapy individual sessions
in order to educate them or help them

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and the challenges and questions of meaning
and purpose. This is on individual level,

443
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and there can be like a group
workshops or group therapies where these individuals

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will undergo, for example, workshops
based on different topics such as meaning and

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purpose, discover read how to undergo
a meaningful fulfilled life, meaning, purpose

446
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and well being and the relation and
many more values choices whatsoever. So working

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on each individual is making the base
of the pyramids very solid in order for

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us to go into the next level. So this is why when I say

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local therapy and building nation, individuals
are the crucial part. Mm hmm.

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Okay, that's that's a fantastic,
fantastic way to start. And I want

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as we go along through this part
of the of the program for listeners and

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viewers to understand that she's starting this
process in Lebanon, her own country,

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and of course we'll be cascading it
through I would assume partnerships through to the

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other other countries in the region.
So keep in mind as she talks that

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this process that she's sharing here is
something that she's going to start in your

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own country and then cascade through the
region, which is just awesome. So

457
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right, okay, So the next
is that proto tipe and this prototype will

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be escalated to the different parts of
the region, taking into consideration, of

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course, would respect the culture dynamics
in each country and lots of geeklils,

460
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but we're going to have the same
prototype that it will be escalated into the

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other countries. Amazing. Okay.
So the next tier of people that you

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want to work with to be able
to again start the building processes helping professionals.

463
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So why helping professionals and how will
you help them? Okay? As

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I have said before, working by
myself is not enough because I have a

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big vision. So the helping professionals
are people who are encountering other people and

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that are helping them on a daily
basis. And when I say helping professionals,

467
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they can be various. They can
be therapists, they can be coaches,

468
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they can be team leaders, they
can be hr people, whatsoever.

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Everyone who is in fact with self
development off people. So we have developed

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in addition to the full curriculum of
Victor Factional Institute, Texas, we have

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developed two curriculums. One of it's
called logo therapy in coaching practices that it's

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addressed to the coach in order to
integrate logo therapy and meaning and purpose like

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guidances for the people that they work
with. And another program that is called

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logo therapy in clinical practice that it's
addressed for therapists. This way they can

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have the basis of lobo education with
theory, concepts and also practices and they

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00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.000
can apply it with the people that
they are working with. This way we

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will spread it more rapidly and more
efficiently. Beautiful, beautiful, Okay.

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Now, next, of course,
you talk about organizations, and that's what

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I do. So I am using
I am essentially threading logo therapy through my

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consulting, my workshops into organizations.
And the reason I'm doing that is because

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I can also, like you say, impact an awful lot of people.

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I can lift a lot of people. So from your lens organizations, what

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do you do with organizations? At
least imagine organizations that they are not value

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based and purpose driven and they do
not work with those two big parts with

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their employees in order to arrive to
what we call reading at work. Where

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will they go? How will they
sustain themselves and all what's going gone in

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the world. So the organization and
the corporate world is very important, and

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I want to say something for the
audience in addition to the meading at work,

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and I guess you agree with me. It's very important talk about mediing

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purpose and leadership, the effect on
leadership, the effect on resilience, the

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effect on good governance. So it's
not only about discovering meeting a purpose.

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It's about the effect of meeting at
purpose on the old the role of performance

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and leadership of an organization. So
in latinone we have tackled many organizations in

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this part and it is the future. So you have to hop up holp

495
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:21.679
on on the trade and never hop
off on it, at least for a

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00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:28.360
period. Completely agree, it's so. It's so it's how I refer to

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to to meaning and logo therapy is
it's it's the energizing unit, right,

498
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.760
It's the thing that your meaning is
what energizes us. And so if we

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can infuse energy into organizations and our
leadership and our work, since we spend

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so much time there, we can
really make a difference in the world.

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Absolutely, and especially people are becoming
more and more aware, and it's more

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difficult to sustain people if we put
this area of their life aside. So

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we should do something about it.
And I believe also you're doing it greatly

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00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.400
with it's working of purpose. Me
too, I love it. Thank you.

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00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:07.360
Okay, So what about institutions.
What do you do with institutions in

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ngeo's non governmental organizations? Yes,
well in Latin of the NGOs, the

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00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.760
institutions and the civil society, they
play a crucial role on different levels.

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00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:25.000
For example, by they are being
pacemakers, not peacemakers. As doctor Victor

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00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:30.480
Frankel says it, the pacemakers are
the one who in use change. So

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they are very active on the humanitarian
level, on the political level, and

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00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.039
even they work on many funds in
order to make accessible to people in the

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country self development programs. So always
putting our hand with NGOs, civil society

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00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:54.199
and institution will make it more accessible
of what we call empowerment through Lobo therapy,

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because we will be tackling the different
parts of the community, not only

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00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:06.119
a small or a specific part of
it, and it will have an effect

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00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.920
not only locally, locally, regionally
and internationally. So this is why we

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are paying lots of attention for the
ENGOs for the services they provide in order

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00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:21.639
to add meaning and purpose to what
they do, but also to their employees

519
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:28.000
to because they will be role models
for other people and the community in which

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00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.880
they are working with the townsite.
Mm hmmmm. And I think you said

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and your diplomat that you're going to
spend quite a bit of focus on NGOs,

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00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.559
Is that right? Absolutely, and
especially at the current period in Labna,

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because we are having lots of troubles, be it with the government or

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00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:52.760
with the current system. So the
NGOs they will be like a pulling unit

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00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:57.360
and the civil society in order to
induce change. So why not to induce

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this change based on meaning and purpose
and on pursuit of meaning. This will

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00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:06.639
have a very big effect on the
vocal it. Yes, okay. And

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then finally, if you would just
briefly talk a little bit about how you

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want to work through universities and schools
with your logo education. Yes, with

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the schools, it is through something
called global pidachogy. It is how we

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give the kids and students maths and
physics and biology whatsoever, we should prepare

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00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.880
them how to deal with life and
the importance of meaning and purpose in their

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00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:36.159
lives. So if we do education
that it's specific for them and their own

534
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:40.119
way that they can understand, we
can prepare them for their advanced life.

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And also with universities, imagine if
we will induce logo therapy curriculums in not

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only in the curriculum of the therapists
that they will become later on psychologists,

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00:44:53.239 --> 00:45:00.159
psychiatrists, psychotherapists, whatsoever, but
also for example in the executive and a

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00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:06.320
which has been done already in Lebanon, that we could bring executives and tell

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00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:14.320
them about the importance practically of success
through meeting and purpose, leadership, sustainability,

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00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.920
whatsoever. So the universities are a
very big part and a very big

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hub in our work, and the
work on site has already started. We

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00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:29.360
have been able to implement it now
in many ways. So I really appreciate

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00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.800
how you're tentacling this through. So
one of the other things that you say

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00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.800
and your diplomat is, of course
your wider vision is for loco therapy needed

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to be the center for initiating logo
therapy projects and building loco therapy institutions,

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and it is in the region,
especially in Arabic speaking countries of course,

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and you say the goal is for
it to be the referral entity for the

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00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.840
loco therapy work in the region,
be it performed directly or indirectly through other

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00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.480
partners. So really a hub,
right, I sort of see you as

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00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:02.239
creating this, this this this energy
emanating hub of meaning and purpose across the

551
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.119
whole region. You doing that,
You started this absolutely, and the vision

552
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.840
is to do something that it's called
globo therapy. The mean a chapter that

553
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.760
how we do let's say Loco Therapy
Congress in Europe, Logo Therapy Congress in

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the States. Why not do it
in the Mena region. There's a lot

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of potential here. The region is
very fertile and people love to advance and

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00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:32.079
to be empowered and to develop.
So there's a big group for inducing global

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therapy in our region. And it
will effect on different level, be it

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personally, organizational level, leadership level, and later on as a ripple effect

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00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:50.239
on the peace integration and the region. Oh, Dahlia, You're just a

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00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.800
jump and what a light, what
a source. Both of us, you

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00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:58.440
and I are both focused on the
notion of elevating humanity and really it is

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00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.639
through consciousness. It's through me,
it's your purpose. So you know,

563
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:05.079
the show is listening by people all
over the world and they're focused on something

564
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.039
similar. Through the workspace and through
leadership and through doing business. That better

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00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.519
is the world. What would you
like to leave our listeners with today,

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00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:15.000
Well, there is a very beautiful
phrase that I always say when I end

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00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.079
up a workshop or a webinar,
or a radio session or a TV session,

568
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:25.199
whatsoever, may your life be a
pursuit of meaning? And as doctor

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00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:31.039
Victor Frankel always says, that the
world is in a bad state and this

570
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:37.079
won't change unless each one of us
does his best. What are you doing

571
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.920
to take the humanity to the next
level? What are you doing to elevate

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00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.840
yourself to the next level? It's
not of humanity, so I say to

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00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:51.400
you, Discovering meaning and actualizing meaning
is not easy. That going into the

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00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:57.119
unpaved ronth is so adventuristic, it
is so beautiful. Be courageous, be

575
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.159
brave, take the risk, have
the step on, because only by this

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00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:06.760
way you will be living your uniqueness, and you won't have the regrets,

577
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:12.719
and you would have undergone a fulfilled
meeting for life and left structures beautiful way

578
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.039
to finish. Dahlia, It is
so such an incredible pleasure to know you,

579
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.679
to have you in my life and
my world and to support your cause.

580
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.159
Thank you for being a guest on
working on a purpose. Thank you,

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00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:27.000
doctor Elise, really for this opportunity
for us together and also for the

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00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:31.280
world and for the different communities.
So thank you for being humble to bring

583
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:37.199
people with you on the train that
you are going to with much pleasure.

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00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:42.639
Absolutely, listeners and viewers. If
you want to learn more about Dahlia and

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00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.360
the work that she is doing,
visit the website. It's Loco Therapy Mina.

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Let me spell that for you.
L O G l O g O

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00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:54.960
t h e r A p y
dot mena dot org dot com. Is

588
00:48:54.960 --> 00:49:00.559
that right, Dahlia, Yeah,
logo dot com with dot com no dot

589
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:05.159
after Logo Therapy, Logo Therapy nina
dot com. Definitely check that out.

590
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.840
Last week, you've you missed the
live show you know as kes should be

591
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.679
a recorded podcast. We were on
there with Simon Mainwaring talking about his latest

592
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:15.880
book, Lead with We The Business
Revolution that Will Save Our Lives. Next

593
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:20.079
week will be on the air with
barukulaj Lev learning about his work in logo

594
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:23.800
therapy and resilience. I also met
him at the conference. Promise yeah,

595
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:28.760
he's an amazing man. It'll be
a very inspiring conversation. I can promise

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00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:30.239
you that. See you there,
Remember that works at least a third of

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00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:36.000
our life. So let's work on
purpose. We hope you've enjoyed this week's

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00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.320
program. Be sure to tune in
to Working on Purpose, featuring your host,

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00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:45.719
doctor Elise Cortes, each week on
the Voice America Empowerment Channel. Together,

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00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:52.440
we'll create a world where business operates
conscientiously, leadership inspires impassioned performance,

601
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:57.280
and employees are fulfilled in work that
provides the meaning and purpose They crave.

602
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.559
See you there, Let's work up
purpose.