Logotherapy in Nation Building in the Middle East and Beyond

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

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People ache for meaning and purpose at
work, to contribute their talents passionately

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and know their lives really matter.
They crave being part of an organization that

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inspires them and helps them grow into
realizing their highest potential. Business can be

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such a force for good in the
world, elevating humanity. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want

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working on purpose. Now Here is
your host, Doctor Elise Cortez. Welcome

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back to the Working and Purpose Program. Thanks for tuning in again this week.

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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes
to any you life from Dallas,

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which is home based for me.
If you don't know me yet, I'm

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a management consultant specializing and meaning and
purpose, organizational logo therapist, inspirational speaker,

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social scientist, and author. I
help companies discover in articularly their purpose,

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to thread it through culture and operations. I work with organizations to develop

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inspirational leaders who career cultures where people
actually want to come to work and do

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their best. And I provide programs
like the Grab Your Gusta that enable individual

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team members to discover and unleash her
passion and purpose at work to catalyze fulfillment,

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engagement, and productivity. You'll learn
more about me and how we can

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work together at Elist Cortez dot com
or Gusto Dashaw dot com. With us

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Today's Dalia gab Gabb the founder of
Logotherapy Mina, the official logotherapy institution in

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the Mina region. She's out to
take community to the next level in the

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Mina region of the world, only
talking about her experiences leading up to founding

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this institution, the problems she stands
to address in the Arab speaking countries she

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serves, and how she's designed her
work and formed through logotherapy to help the

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region to join the Today from Lebanon, Dalia, welcome to working on Purpose.

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Thank you, doctor Elise. Thank
you for hosting me today and it

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is meaningful to be with you to
share the interest saying stuff that you talked

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about and not only for ourselves,
with our world and community. So thank

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you for posting me with you.
You're so very well. But again for

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our listeners, if you would please
say your name correctly for us, because

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I know I didn't pronounce it correctly. See it how it's supposed to be

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said, Yes, it is Dahlia, but because we don't have the hook

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in the English language, so you
can pronounce it Dahlia's give it to agamp.

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It's a gimp. Okay, great, Well. I always like to

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tell our listeners and viewers how I
find my guests, and so you and

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I were reminding our very own business. That's what was it. Last week

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maybe two weeks ago. We were
both attending the Victor Franco World Congress and

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the twenty third one for that matter, and we were both presenting our diplomate

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work. And so, ladies and
gentlemen, what that really means is that

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we're essentially learning a program. We're
studying a program, which is like doing

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a master's level in logotherapy, except
we call it a diplomate. So she

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was presenting her research, I was
presenting mine, and I heard what she

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was up to. I said,
oh, no, you have to come

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on my radio show and share what
you're doing. This is amazing. Talk

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about working on purpose, This is
just great. So let's crack into your

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content. So you started off your
journey here when one of the things that

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intrigued when you were sharing is that
you met doctor Victor Frankel's wife Ellie some

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years ago. So if you could
tell us what it was, what you

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were doing back then, what led
up to that meeting, and why was

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it so transformative for you? Let's
start there. Well, you know,

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Elise, if I want to describe
this stage of my life, it was

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a stage of search. I was
searching and searching and searching. Though I

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had my work, which was stable, secure, whatsoever, but I always

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felt like amptiness inside of that's driving
me to find something that I don't know

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yet what it is. So I
had read the book of doctor Victor and

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I have decided to visit center in
Vienna. When I have finished my visit,

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I was like walking on the street
and an old lady she came and

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told me you're beautiful. I said
to her, thank you. She told

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me from where you are? I
told her I'm from Lebanon, and then

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she replied me and Victor. We
have never went to Lebanon. I was

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like, you and Victor? Who's
Victor? She told me I am the

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wife of Victor Frankel. Can you
imagine, Alice, there are no near

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coincidences in this world. It was
just like a direct message that Daia,

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there is a meeting in this moment
for you, be aware about it.

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Open your eyes. This is what
you were searching for it. So this

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was what we called it logo therapy, a meeting of the moment. And

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also this became my logo anchor that
I always get back to and remember whenever

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I have like challenges in my new
institute, which is logo therapy, you

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know, And I always remember I
ended up in doctor Victor Strankel's house,

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sitting on his own desk, wearing
his glasses, going into his archive room,

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knowing details about his life that I
hope one day I would put it

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in a book of mine. We
never know. So it was transformative because

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I saw it with the new eyes, with the new glasses, that there

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is something there and I took a
choice to do something about it. Ah

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Dahlia, A couple of things.
First, you and I there must be

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a reason that we were called logotherapy, because I absolutely felt that existential vacuum

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as well from the mid twenties to
about my early thirties until I got into

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my PhD program, and that's what
led me into that space. So that's

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amazing. And the other thing that's
fascinating as you. As you know,

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doctor Victor Frankel died in nineteen ninety
seven, which is about the time when

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I was going into my PhD program. So I feel somehow like you and

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I are connected to that torch right
he was leaving and he passed it over

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to us. I'm not just you
and I, but all of us are

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part of the Logo Therapy community across
the world. But isn't that amazing?

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It is amazing, And what is
great about that is, like always doctor

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Victor Frankel, he insisted that he
doesn't want parrots that rehashed their master's voice.

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He wanted innovative, inventive and creative
spirit. So this is why he

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like handed us this legacy for us
to develop it, each one in his

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own way and in his or her
own talents. This is why in Logo

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Therapyina logo of the Institute, it
is the torch with the three flames that

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they are the three dimensionality of the
human being, and we're going to pass

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it to others. It's not for
us. It is for us to be

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fulfilled and others to amazing amazing.
So since the meeting with doctor Victor Frank

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Frankel's White La I'm interesting to understand
how you built your career along the way

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to where you're actually launching logotherapy mina
today. That just seems like an incredible

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feat and I so admire what you're
up to. How'd you get there?

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Well, it is a journey,
this is what I can say. It's

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like when you discover meaning. The
post meaning phase is different than the premaning

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thing. I had like to let
go of different things in my life,

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out of which my previous were that
I have worked in it in almost like

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fifteen years in the domain of medical
equipment, capacity building, medical science,

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les all and whatsoever. It was
interesting, but it was time like to

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let go. So the first thing
I say was letting go of previous meaning

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to this bigger meaning. The second
thing working on my knowledge so I would

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be credible if I want to work
with people in logotherapy, I should know

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what logotherapy talks about, its theory
and practice. But in parallel to that,

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I say that with the curriculum,
there was a knowledge that I was

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building for myself by tremendous readings about
not only doctor Victor Frankel, but also

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other loco therapists such as Josette Fabrie, Elizabeth Lucas. So in addition to

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what we study in our life,
it's not enough by itself. We have

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to develop it by working also on
other areas. And what I say that

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it made the most tremendous thing is
choice, the courage, because it's not

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easy to leave everything and step in
into a new field, a new place

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that we don't know anything about,
but it was worth it. And just

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let me here say that I have
undergone my studies at Victor Frankel Institute of

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Loco Therapy TEXTS, USA, which
I thankful for that, for the program,

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and I want to sell you to
doctor Cynthia would really she is my

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mentor and my professor, and without
her I wouldn't be here because she believed

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a lot in what I do.
So wonderful, wonderful. That's the same

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place that I did my studies as
well. So you and I attended the

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same the same same university, if
you will. We are visionary with the

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institute, yeah we are, and
i'm and so I bring mine into I

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bring my logo therapy practice inside organizations. And of course your focus is on

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building nations, which is incredible.
So for our listeners who like me,

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before I met you didn't know what
MINA stands for. Let's let's talk about

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what MINA stands for and also what
countries you're out to serve. Yeah,

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Nina, it is Middle East and
Most African region. There are lots of

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termination related to this region of the
world. It is Middle East GCC,

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golf countries, No to Africa and
Cyprus. There are other resources that add

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Turkey and the Persian countries and additional
countries, but my focus is mainly on

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Middle East GCC, in North Africa
and Cyprus to so mainly the Arab speaking

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work in addition to Cyprus. Okay, now that said, that's that's who

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we are out to help and serve. So let's talk about the what opportunity

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or problem or set of problems are
you trying to address through logotherapy. Well,

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you know, Alis, the Amina
region is a very interesting spot of

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the world because it includes sixty percent
of the oil reserves in the world and

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forty five percent of the gas reserves. This is why it makes it responsible

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of a big part of the stability
in to our law, which is not

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easy because it is raising the conflicts
in the region regarding these resources. In

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addition to that, it is the
place where the three big religions in the

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world, which are the judai Is, the Christianity and the islam Has arise.

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So imagine what struggles of religious powers
are available in this region. So

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we are talking about the pursuit of
pleasures, about the pursuit of power,

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about underlying agendas, be it internal
or external. And what pulled me into

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putting logo therapy in a state that
why not to use logo therapy as it

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works on the authenticity of the individual
and the defied power of the spirit to

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make use of it to instill more
peace and a different healthy dynamics in the

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region. So this is why I
have decided to call the project Logo Therapy

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in Building Nations in order to influence
these dynamics that are pists. Okay,

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I'm sitting here one large goose bump, My dear, it's just so inspiring

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that you're taking this on. It's
so incredible, it's so necessary, it's

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so important that I'm so glad,
I'm so happy to know you and shred

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the car. Yes, exactly right, well, and how wonderful that you're

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willing to take that on that's amazing
to me. So all right, now

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the next thing we need to talk
about is you're in the country Lebanon,

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and you say, I, of
course read your diplomate paper. It's beautifully

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written, thank you very much,
and you say your country is key to

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this initiative and starting there it'll be
used as a model. So tell us

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your rationale. Why why do you
I know because I read your diplomate but

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our listeners and viewers don't know.
What's your rationale for using Lebanon as a

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model. Well, I insisted to
start it through on my country, and

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this for different reasons. Although the
country is passing now and lots of challenges

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be it economical, political, financial
wise, security wise, etc. Especially

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after the Beirut blasts on four August
twenty twenty that had drastic consequences on all

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Lebanon. But at the same time, Lebanon has lots of uniquenesses which out

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of that, it is an educational
help where various people from different regions in

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different countries and our region come to
get their studies. Second, it is

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the based on a democratic republic regime
which leaves the freedom of choice of speech

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of saying our opinion, which is
not available in many countries of the Mina

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region. And also it is the
last country with Christian presidency in the whole

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Mina region, which helps in the
diversity in the different denomination and religions that

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are present in this same country,
which brings diversity and more cultural values.

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This addition to like many innovative programs, and it's like Lebanon is considered an

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innovative hub where we always bring up
with new ideas to spread it all along

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the region. So for all these
reasons, in addition to the reason of

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course that I am from Lebanon,
I wanted to start the project from there,

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and I always like had this thing
in mind, like the Phoenicians who

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were the original native people of Lebanon
who had discovered the alphabet and spread it

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to the whole word, I want
also to spread lobotherapy to my region and

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to the whole word from the same
spot. So it's like emotional thing.

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Plus in addition to the whole reasons
that I mentioned, it's just beyond yummy.

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So now let's take it one more
level. This is really where it's

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at here. So I want to
help. Have you shared with our listeners

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and viewers your vision of logotherapy meaning
in other words, what does that mean

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a region look like? When you've
realized your purpose to build nations to logotherapy,

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what do you hope to accomplish?
Do your work well? The vision

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of logo Therapinina is to build communities
and empower individuals whose life is primary,

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anchored and centered on meaning. So
what I am willing to do is that

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is to work from the pyramid from
down to the top level, so that

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each individual or organization or corporation or
even the political leadership would be based on

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meaning, not on the pursuit of
pleasure or the pursuit of power. So

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my vision is to have these communities
with meaning instilled as the core of its

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dynamics, and of course after that
to spread it all along the region,

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where to build in each country a
logo therapy institute that would work directly in

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cooperation with logo therapy, you know, on site with the people. Because

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by myself I cannot do anything,
and I believe in the power of we,

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so we always have to put our
hands together in order to arrive to

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higher lets slightly ambitious, Dalia,
and I'm thrilled to be with you on

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this journey it's fabulous and I'm that
part of it, Doctor Elise, I

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am. I'm part of the way, and I'm very proud to be so

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so thank you for that. And
let's grab our first break. We've been

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on. We've be on the air
with Dalia zeb She's the founder of Logotherapy

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Mina, the official logotherapy institution in
the Mina region. We've been talking a

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bit about where this idea, this
vision came from and what she hopes to

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accomplish. After we're going to talk
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to address in the Mena region.
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Doctor release Cortez as a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational

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speaker and author. She helps companies
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop

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purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures
that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment

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within the workforce. To learn more
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to working on Purpose. Interesting with
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Before we get back into the program, I'd like to invite to check

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out my book that I brought out
last November. It's called Purpose Ignited,

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How Inspiring Leaders Ignite passion and Elevate
Cause. It's now an Amazon. I

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wrote that book to awakened readers to
their passion and purpose and help transform them

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into the inspirational leaders who enlign in
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to all its stakeholders. Definitely aligns
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I also use the content of the
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Leadership program, and I grab your
Guster programs as well. If you're just

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joining my program today, my guest
is Dalia Grab, the founder of Logo

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Therapy Nina, the official Logo therapy
institution in the Mina region. I'm your

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host, doctor Leis Cortez. So
for this segment, here what I want

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to do, Dlia, because I
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so interesting the way that you talk
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out to address and apply preventedive role
through logo therapy to address some of the

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widespread issues you see in the Mina
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each of them and how do you
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trying to treat. So the first
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of free will. So how can
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logo therapy to address the misuse of
free will? Amazing? Before talking about

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the specific point, doctor Elise,
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importance of what we call logo education. It is it's very important when we

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have a problem to work on its
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in a perception that the prevention through
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and purpose and loco therapy to people
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lots of things and it will enhance
each meaning, each individual to be on

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meaning and purpose. So this is
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big part of the prevention. As
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did mention well. In logotherapy,
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of the main tenets of the meaning
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if we are in a certain circumstance
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to reduce ourselves only to body and
to psyche, this is not valid.

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We have a defiant power through our
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the situations, no matter what these
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through our choices, and we are
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defiant power that helps us not be
victims in our circumstances. And this is

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very important to be used in our
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controllable things that they are happening and
challenging stuff on different levels, so we

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always have a free will to rise
above it. Excellently explained. Thank you,

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and also thank you for for situating
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because people don't quite understand really what
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important that we convey that what you're
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is educational, so we want that
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was to address the misuse of free
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next area you talk about is irresponsibility. Yes, well, here also doctor

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Victor Franco emphasized on something that is
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even if we have freedom, if
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we will have drastic consequences. And
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that we say it is not enough
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we are asked to do. We
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and goals that no one has sold
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and our spirit. So the responsibility
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towards our mission, and it's also
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we came here to live and to
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our region, if each person would
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then we will take it up the
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h okay. So, now the
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in the region is in authenticity of
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the region? Well, values in
logo therapy, we say that we don't

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have values. Values are who we
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in logo therapy. They come institute
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I am just moving with values that
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this will be inauthentic. Why if
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his belief system, his self chosen
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meaningful and purposeful goals, then the
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end will be different. You know, it's fascinating about that Dahlia is that

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it very much aligns with what I've
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I am imploring people to be able
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and certainly their purpose as well,
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desperately needs their gifts. So I
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the authenticity of values, the importance
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resonant from that space, really aligns
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Well, that's not easy, it
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it needs bravery, it's not me, but it's doable. Yes, it

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does take courage, yeah, but
it feels amazing when you do it as

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well. Okay, So the fourth
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through your logo therapy through logo education
is unhealthy attitudes. Tell us about what

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that means in the region. Well, the attitude and and values and logotherapy

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are considered the highest parts of values
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deal with what we call the tragic
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suffering, guilt and transitorianness of life
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these attitudes through a process will help
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a triumph and try it into human
accomplishment achievement. So the reality here in

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the region, it's not easy.
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with people to understand that this triad
there is something that can be done about

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it, we would be shaping healthy
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part in what we do in loco
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fantastic command of logotherapy. It really
is impressive and how you just narrated the

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tragic, the tragic triad, et
cetera is just is impeccable. So listeners

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and viewers, what she's talking about
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the essence, there's a logotherapy that
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that was expertly done. Beautiful,
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At least when you are unmeaning and
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So I know I'm aware of it, but you're You're brilliant, So it's

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just wonderful. So okay. The
fifth thing that you talk about you want

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to addressed your logo education is the
loss of uniqueness. How does that show

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up in your region? Well,
that's a big thing because doctor Victor Franco

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always stated that the two main things
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conformists and collectivists if we want.
He believed that each individual has his own

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vocation and mission and each one of
us is replaceable in what he does.

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For example, I work in loco
therapy. You work in loco therapy.

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Two. We have different colleagues that
they are working in lobo therapy two.

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But what I do is totally different
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don't do it, who will do
it. So this uniqueness, if it

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is lost, it's like a part
of our word is lost because I would

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have taken my part of myself and
this throw it in the garbage, and

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it won't happen again because I won't
come to this life as Dalia again the

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same way. So the loss of
uniqueness is the loss of talents, and

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consequently it will lead to stopping to
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way that we are supposed to.
So uniqueness is a big thing. It's

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very important to me as well.
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so I want to go back again. How that maps over to what I

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was saying before about helping people to
really understand and discover their meaning, systems

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and their purpose in order to serve
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what happens is, to your point, we see or we see or recognize

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things in the way that no one
else can see. It's like we have

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a set of our own very unique
set of superpowers and getting present to them

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to be able to address that which
we can serve in the world through that

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unique vantage point is our opportunity.
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that in the whole mean a region
that's just so such a thing you take

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on, yes, and it is
like it gives power to the individual by

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knowing that he or she are irreplaceable
and they have a value. In this

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word, this will pull them more
to be to achieve, more, to

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be responsible, more to ask more, to discover more. So I say

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to each one of you, you
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You are unique. Don't give it
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Extraordinary, Okay. So the next
the next area that you want to address

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through your work through local education is
unconscious choices. So well choice Doctor Victor

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Frankel says something human being is a
deciding need. So we are what we

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choose. We are what we choose
to be. So choices plays a big

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role in logotherapy. And when we
say conscious choices, it mean choices that

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are based on values, the choices
that we are aware why we are taking

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in it and where it will lead
us independently from circumstances and what it's happening

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to us. So imagine like I
have considered my encounter will Elie just that's

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it and it was beautiful, and
I didn't take a conscious choice towards doing

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something about it. That was their
opinion, Adam, and our region wouldn't

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have existed. So that's how important
the conscious choices are. And in general,

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conscious choices are out of the box
and out of the normal, So

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don't be afraid from it. Excellent, Excellent, Yes, indeed, and

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I like what you say that we
are our choices. I completely align with

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that, absolutely aligned with that.
And there's and we're empowered when we exercise

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our choice. Yeah. And this
comes also to the free will. They

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are all connected because if I know
that I am free and my choice consciously

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and responsibly, then I would be
using the freedom of will that we have

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talked about in the first place,
and it will lead to different places,

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to places of leaning athens. Excellent. The last thing that I want to

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talk about for this segment here in
terms of how you're using logo education to

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address an issue. But the issue
that you also talk about is self centeredness

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and absence of self transcendence. How
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transcendence is the core of logotherapy because
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not only for our self, our
life is also for others. So self

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the transcendence is the capacity to go
beyond ourselves towards people, to love,

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causes, to serve, leanings to
fulfill And this is what we call in

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loco therapy, that I thoe relationship, I cannot exist just as I should

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exist. I and though in order
for my existence not to die, I

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have to give it outside of myself
to people and to cause. So imagine

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that in the Mena region, people
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present. I'm not saying that it's
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present here. It's the reason why
Lebanon specifically is still striving. But if

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we ignite it more and understood that
our life is not only for us,

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it is only for others, it
will lead to openness. It will lead

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to one of the highest values,
which is love. It will lead to

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goodness, so that that's the main
point of self transcendence, and consequently to

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different healthy dynamics between the diversity and
the cultures that they are present in this

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future. M beautifully said, and
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from the from the purpose fanished point. Purpose is always about serving other people,

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helping other people. It's never about
serving ourselves, and so we transcend

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ourselves when we serve from purpose,
and that's really what you're also speaking to,

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Dalia, so beautiful way to finish
and take us into our last bright

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Let's go ahead and grab that.
I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez.

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We've are on the air with Dalia
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the official Loco therapy institution in the
Mina region. We've been talking a

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bit about the preventative role of local
education that she will be using or is

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using through the various learnings and workshops
that she has designed after the wreak.

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We're going to hear more about her
specific approach to nation building, how she

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actually plans to pull it off.
Stay with us, We'll be right back.

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Doctor release Cortez is a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational

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speaker and author. She helps companies
visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop

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purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures
that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment

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within the workforce. To learn more
or to invite a lease to speak to

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your organization. Please visit her at
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to get your employees working on purpose. This is Working on Purpose with doctor

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Elise Cortez. To reach our program
today or open a conversation with Elise,

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send an email to Elise ali Se
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an anthology of women who persevere mildly
to live their purpose. It's on Amazon.

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I am so proud of this thing. I could bust so being able

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to showcase stories like yours, Dahlia
is just fabtists. By the way,

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I'm about to curate a second collection. Would love to have your story,

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but We'll talk about that later on, but I'd love to catch your story

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for the next series, so at
least that you are. You are focusing

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on this part by bringing up me
with you and of course other people because

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if you know Loco there may we
say really is desired guys of our time.

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It is the era of meaning and
purpose. So you see all people

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or organizations, institution, it's everywhere
in the world. It's boiling and so

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buy it. We will take humanity
to the next level. And what you're

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doing is great by bringing lots of
people in your show talking about this issue.

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Well, thank you, so welcome, so welcome. I am so

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happy we're connected. You can run
from me, but you can't hide.

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Absolutely, I'm not going to run. Okay, good good, or if

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I do have friend slows, you
can catch me right okay. So this

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segment, what I want to do
now is bring it all home. So

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we've been talking a bit about where
your journey came from, what's really firing

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you, and what are some of
the things that you want to address in

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your region through a logo therapy educational
lens. Now I want to talk about

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your actual plan to infuse logo therapy
principles into key entities in order to build

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nations, which is just remarkable.
Talk about an impressive strategy. So you

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talk about various entities that you want
to be able to serve through the workshops

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and educational initiatives that you have developed, which is extraordinary, and I want

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to just talk about as many of
them as we can for the time that

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we have left on the show,
and if you would talk about how you

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want to be able to build each
of these entities, these groups, and

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how you can serve them through your
work. So the first level, of

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course is individuals. So how will
you be working using your material, your

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workshops, your educational components to help
individuals. Doctor Ellis. Before talking about

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individuals, I want to say some
thing. A nation In French it means

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ness, sence, and a nation
in Latin it means birth. So if

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we want a nation to be created
and to go into the process of birth,

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we need to work on each part
of it. Because individuals are those

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people who will build a total nation, so they are a crucial part of

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it. So with individuals, I
undergo one to one individual sessions loco loco

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therapy individual sessions in order to educate
them or help them and the challenges and

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questions of meaning and purpose. This
is on individual level, and there can

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be like a group workshops or group
therapies where these individuals will undergo, for

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example, workshops based on different topics
such as meaning and purpose, discover how

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to undergo a meaningful fulfilled life,
meaning, purpose and well being and the

447
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relation and many more values, choices
whatsoever. So working on each individual is

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making the base of the pyramids very
solid in order for us to go into

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the next level. So this is
why when I say logo therapy and building

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nation, individuals are the crucial part. M Okay, that's that's a fantastic

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way to start. And I want
as we go along through this part of

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the of the program for listeners and
viewers to understand that she's starting this process

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in leaving on her own country,
and of course we'll be cascading it through

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I would assume partnerships through to the
other other countries in the region. So

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keep in mind as she talks that
this process that she's sharing here is something

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that she's going to start in your
own country and then cascade through the region,

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which is just awesome. So right, Okay, So the next is

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the prototype, and the prototype will
be escalated to the different parts of the

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region, taking into consideration, of
course, with respect the culture dynamics in

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each country and lots of GEEP lives. But we're going to have to say

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the prototype that it would be escalated
into the other countries. Amazing. Okay.

462
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So the next tier of people that
you want to work with to be

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able to again start the building process
is helping professionals. So why helping professionals

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and how will you help them?
Okay? As I have said before,

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working by myself is not enough because
I have a big vision. So the

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helping professionals are people who are encountering
other people and that are helping them on

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daily basis. And when I say
helping professional, they can be various.

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They can be therapists, they can
be coaches, they can be team leaders,

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they can be hr people, whatsoever. Everyone who is impact with self

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development off people. So we have
developed in addition to the full curriculum of

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Victor Francal Institute taxes, we have
developed two curriculums. One it's called Lobo

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therapy in coaching practices that it's addressed
to the coach in order to integrate Lobo

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therapy and meeting and purpose like a
guidance is for the people that they work

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with. And another program that is
called lobo therapy in clinical practice that it's

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addressed for therapists. This way they
can have the basis of global education with

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theory, concepts and also practices and
they can apply it with the people that

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they are working with. This way
we will spread it more rapidly and more

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efficiently. Beautiful, beautiful, Okay. Now, next, of course we

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talk about organizations, and that's what
I do. So I am using I

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am essentially threatening logo therapy through my
consulting my workshops into organizations. And the

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reason I'm doing that is because I
can also, like you say, impact

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an awful lot of people. I
can lift a lot of people. So

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from your lens organizations, what are
you doing with organizations? At least imagine

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organizations that they are not value based
and purpose driven and they do not work

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with those two big parts with their
employees in order to arrive to what we

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call reading at work. Where will
they go? How will they sustain themselves?

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And all what's going on in the
world. So the organization and the

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court world word world is very important, and I want to say something for

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the audience in addition to the leading
at work. And I guess you agree

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with me. It's very important talk
about meeting purpose and leadership, the effect

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on leadership, the effect on resilience, the effect on good governance. So

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it's not only about discovering reading and
purpose. It's about the effect of meeting

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at purpose on the old the roll
performance and leadership of an organization. So

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in Latin on we have fac built
many organizations in this part and it is

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the future. So you have to
hop hop on on the train and never

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00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.239
hop off on it, at least
for a period. Completely agree, it's

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so. It's so it's how I
refer to to to meaning and local therapy

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is it's it's the energizing unit,
right, It's the thing that meaning is

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what what energizes us. And so
if we can infuse energy into organizations and

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our leadership and our work, since
we spend so much time there, we

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can really make a difference in the
world. Absolutely, and especially people are

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becoming more and more aware and it's
more difficult to sustain people if we put

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this area of their life aside,
So we should do something about it.

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And I believe also you're doing get
greatly with its working on purpose. Me

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00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:05.760
too, I love it, thank
you. Okay, So what about institutions.

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What do you do with institutions and
NGOs non governmental organizations? Yes,

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well in Latin on the NGOs,
the institutions and the civil society, they

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00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:21.719
play a crucial role on different levels. For example, by they are being

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pacemakers, not peacemakers, as doctor
Victor Frankel says it, the pacemakers are

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the one who used change. So
they are very active on the humanitarian level,

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on the political level, and even
they work on many funds in order

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to make accessible to people in the
country self development programs. So always putting

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our hand with nngos, civil society
and institution will make it more accessible of

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what we call empowerment through NOBO therapy, because we will be tackling the different

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00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:02.559
parts of the community, not only
a small or a specific part of it,

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00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.800
and it will have an effect not
only locally, locally, regionally and

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00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.280
internationally. So this is why we
are paying lots of attention for the eng

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also for the services they provide,
in order to add meaning and purpose to

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00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.760
what they do, but also to
their employees too, because they will be

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role models for other people and the
community in which they are working with.

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It to site, and I think
you said and your diplomat that you are

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you're going to spend quite a bit
of focus on NGOs, is that right?

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Absolutely, and especially at the current
period in Labanon, because we are

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having lots of troubles, be it
with the government or with the current system.

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So the NGOs they will be like
a pulling unit and the civil society

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00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:58.519
in order to induce change. So
why not to induce this change based on

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00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.480
meaning and purpose and base is on
pursuit of meaning. This will have a

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very big effect on the vocomics.
Yes, okay. And then finally,

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if you would just briefly talk a
little bit about how you want to work

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through universities and schools with with your
local education. Yes, with the schools,

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it is a school something called global
pediaglogy. It is how we give

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the kids and students maths and physics
and biology whatsoever. We should prepare them

533
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.159
how to deal with life and the
importance of meaning and purpose in their lives.

534
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:36.400
So if we do education that it's
specific for them in their own way,

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that they can understand we can't prepare
them for their advanced life. And

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also with universities, imagine if we
will induce locotherapy curriculums in not only in

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the curriculum of the therapists that they
will become later on psychologists, psychiatrists,

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00:44:54.320 --> 00:45:00.719
psychotherapists, whatsoever, but also for
example in the executive and a which has

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00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:06.920
been done already in Lebanon, that
we could bring executives and tell them about

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the importance practically of success through meaning
and purpose, leadership, sustainability, whatsoever.

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So the universities are a very big
part and a very big hub in

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our work, and the work on
site has already started. We have been

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00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:30.480
able to implement it in many ways. So I really appreciate how you're tentacling

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00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.599
this through. So one of the
other things that you say and your diplomat

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is, of course your wider vision
is for logo therapy needed to be the

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center for initiating logo therapy projects and
building loco therapy institutions. And it is

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00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.559
in the region, especially in Arabic
speaking countries, of course, and you

548
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.559
say the goal is for it to
be the referral entity for the loco therapy

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00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.320
work in the region. Be it
performed directly or indirectly through other partners.

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So really a hub, right,
I sort of see you as creating this,

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this this inminate, this energy emanating
hub of meaning and purpose across the

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00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:07.440
whole region. You doing that,
You started this absolutely and the vision is

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00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:13.000
to do something that it's called globo
therapy. The me in a chapter that's

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how we do let's say Loco Therapy
Congress in Europe, Loco Therapy Congress in

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the States. Why not to do
it in the Mina region. There's a

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lot of potential here. The region
is very fair tied and people love to

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advance and to be empowered and to
develop. So there's a big group for

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00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:37.039
inducing lobo therapy in our region and
it will effect on different level being personally,

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00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:43.960
organizational level, leadership level, and
later on as a ripple effect on

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the peace integration and the region of
oh Dahlia. You're just You're just a

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00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.760
jump and what a light, what
a source. Both of us, you

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00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:58.400
and I are both focused on the
notion of elevating humanity and really it is

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00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:00.599
through consciousness, it's through meaning,
it's your purpose. So you know,

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00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.639
the show is listened to by people
all over the world, and they're focused

565
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:07.679
on something similar. Through the workspace
and through leadership and through doing business,

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00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:09.119
it better as the world. What
would you like to leave on listeners with

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00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:15.519
today, Well, there is a
very beautiful phrase that I always say when

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I end up a workshop or a
webinar, or a radio session or a

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00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:24.360
TV session, whatsoever, may your
life be a pursuit of meaning? And

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as doctor Victor Frankel always says,
that the world is in a bad state

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00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:36.440
and this won't change unless each one
of us does his best. What are

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00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.239
you doing to take the humanity to
the next level? What are you doing

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00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:44.800
to elevate yourself to the next level
account of humanity? So I say to

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00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:51.360
you, discovering meaning and actualizing meaning. It's not easy that going into the

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00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:57.000
unpaved drone is so adventuristic, it
is so beautiful. Be courageous, be

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00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:00.079
brave, take the risk, have
the step on, because only by this

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00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:06.800
way you will be living your uniqueness, and you won't have the regrets,

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00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:12.719
and you would have undergone a fulfilled, meetingful life and left uctics beautiful way

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00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.039
to finish. Dahlia, It is
so such an incredible pleasure to know you,

580
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.599
to have you in my life and
my world and to support your cause.

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00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.119
Thank you for being a guest on
working on a purpose. Thank you,

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00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.960
doctor Elise, really for this opportunity
for us together and also for the

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00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:31.199
world and for the different communities.
So thank you for being humble to bring

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00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:37.199
people with you on the train that
you are going through with much pleasure.

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Absolutely, listeners and viewers. If
you want to learn more about Dahlia and

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00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.320
the work that she is doing,
visit the website. It's Local Therapy Minna.

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Let me spell that for you.
L O G l O G O

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t h E r A p y
dot meta dot org dot com. Is

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00:48:54.960 --> 00:49:00.119
that right, Dahlia, Yeah,
Local Sir opiniona dot com dot com dot

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00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:06.119
dot after logotherapy logotherapy Nina dot com. Definitely check that out. Last week

591
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:07.960
you finished the live show you know
it's case should be recorded podcast. We

592
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.360
were on the air with Simon Mainwaring
talking about his latest book, Lead with

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00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.360
We The Business Revolution that Will Save
Our Lives. Next week we'll be on

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00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:21.079
the air with baruk Ha Levi learning
about his work in logotherapy and resilience.

595
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.800
I also met him at the conferences. Yeah, he's an amazing man.

596
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.760
It'll be a very inspiring conversation.
I can promise you that see you there,

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00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.360
remember that works at least a third
of our lives. So let's work

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00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:37.599
on purpose. We hope you've enjoyed
this week's program. Be sure to tune

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00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:42.320
into Working on Purpose, featuring your
host, doctor Elise Cortez, each week

600
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:46.679
on the Voice America Empowerment Channel.
Together, we'll create a world where business

601
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:53.920
operates conscientiously. Leadership inspires impassioned performance, and employees are fulfilled in work that

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00:49:54.000 --> 00:50:00.519
provides the meaning and purpose they crave. See you there, Let's work on purpose.