Instead of You Laboring, Why Not Put Your Purpose to Work?

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What's working on purpose anyway? Each
week we ponder the answer to this question.

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People ache for meaning and purpose at
work, to contribute their talents passionately

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and know their lives really matter.
They crave being part of an organization that

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inspires them and helps them grow into
realizing their highest potential. Business can be

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such a force for good in the
world, elevating humanity. In our program,

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we provide guidance and inspiration to help
usher in this world we all want

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working on purpose. Now. Here
is your host, doctor Elise Cortes.

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Welcome back to the Working and Purpose
Program. Thanks for joining in this week.

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I'm your host, doctor Earle's Cortez. Join you live from Dallas,

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which is home base for me.
If you don't know me yet, consultant

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specializing in meaning and purpose, organizational
loco, therapist, inspirational speaker, social

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scientist, and author, you can
learn more about me and how we can

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work together at at least Coortes dot
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workproud dot com. With us today is

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Kina il Ilio Inyosi, an author, career coach, and professional speaker who

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believes deeply that you are how you
are for why you are, and that

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your natural abilities are indicators of your
purpose. He is the author of Finding

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Your Sweet Spot, DNA of Talent, and is most recent Put Your Purpose

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to Work, How to Find Fulfillment
in Your nine to five. We'll be

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talking about his latest book, How
Purposes Expressed through Work and How to Tend

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to Our Purpose. And he joined
us today from John's Creek, Georgia.

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Knay. Welcome to Working on Purpose. Hey, it's great to have you.

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I'm fantastic. Betcha a little bit
of energy between us. Huh,

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let's do this already. So I
have, of course the distinctive pleasure of

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knowing something about it because I have
read your book that's about to come out.

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But our listeners and viewers don't.
So I want to first presence a

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little bit about your background, because
you have very a very distinctive perspective on

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presence on purpose that I think is
really really interesting. So will you share

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just some of the highlights of your
background that would be useful for our listeners

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and viewers. Highlights on my on
my book on your background, your background.

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Oh, so, I come about
this as someone who uh who had

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the talk with that parents and they
wanted me to wanted me to be a

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doctor, but I rebelled that that
no no, and kind of went my

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own way and found that I tried
to do brought me money but did not

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bring satisfaction. Every time I found
myself working and developing people, there was

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just something in me that came alive, and I really didn't know what meant

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till I think it was two thousand
and seven. I had moved to them,

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working it with my wife in her
graphic design business, and she was

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like, listen, you coming to
work miserable. You know, figure out

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what you want to do with the
rest of your life. And so I

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started the search and through interestion and
everything I talk about in my first book

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Looking Back, at my life,
looking back at the things that bring me

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joy and were feelmost alive. I
realized that I could make a career out

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of developing people. And you know, from what I talk about purpose,

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I've come to that place where I
know that this is my purpose and so

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that's how I'm here. Mm hmmm
mm hmm. Well, so what's fascinating

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about what you said? There's two
things that I want to call out.

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One is this notion of coming alive. Right there are so many people walking

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through like dead. I have been
one of them. I know what that

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feels like, and so that's why
I wrote my book Purpose Ignited. So

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that's the first thing I want to
comment. And the second thing is that

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what you did is you really just
discovered on what was so obvious to yourself

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and everyone else, and there it
was right in front of your face what

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you should be doing with your life. That is true, and I find

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that when I work with people,
they they shop with not to uncover the

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things that are their talents, because
that's where it really starts from how you

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are wired. And often people say
to me, that is a talent I

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get into be able to do,
you know, but everybody should be able

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to do whatever. I'm like,
No, no, not everybody is able

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to do that. It comes so
naturally to you that you take it for

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granted. Right, It's your superpower, That's what I call it. It's

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your superpower. You just don't recognize
recognize it as such. It's natural for

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you. We're gonna talk more about
that as well. Right. So,

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one of the things that I love
that you say in your book, and

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it's everywhere on your site as well, and you talk about the importance of

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knowing yourself. But then you say
you are how you are for why you

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are. That is brilliant. It
is true. And I don't thank you

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for saying it's brilliant, but it's
such to me. It's it is such

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an obvious statement. We cannot act
contrary to how we are wired. We

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cannot act contrary to how we are. And again, from that faith background,

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your purpose makes use of your natural
abilities. You know, I'm a

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firm believer that we here on earth
for a reason, and go raed resources.

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He gives you those things. He
equips you with what you need to

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do the job he's called you to
do. Mm hmmmmm. That's why I

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say that, Yeah, and when
we just get out of the way and

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be obedient to that, it's amazing
what happens. Right, Stop arguing with

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it or trying to stuff it.
Right, it's it's there for a reason.

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I know. I'm guilty. It
took me a while to hear it

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and listen, right, So okay, So now I want to talk this

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about this notion of job and working
that I think is brilliant what you say

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in your book here. So I'm
gonna I'm gonna read a little bit,

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a little bit for our listeners and
our viewers, because the way you talk

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about this is just great. So
and I agree with this. And so

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you say people admire, even envy, those who seem to have a clarity

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of purpose and know what they want
to do with their lives. Most people

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lack this clarity and seem to be
in an endless search for a better job.

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And this is the problem. People
are looking for a good job,

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the ideal job, instead of first
figuring out their purpose why they are here

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on earth. So why is it
that you do you think that we so

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lack this cli already? Why are
we so resistant to this? I think

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it's just what has been handed to
us. You know, in modern education,

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I don't know. I'm not even
sure if it's modern education. But

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the educational system says, Okay,
go to school, get good grade so

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that you can get a finish the
sentence, get a good job. Yeah,

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get a good job. And so
and people focus on well, what

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will get get me to a good
job? Parents and adults talk about well,

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what will get you to a good
job without thinking about if the job

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is tied to the purpose of the
child. And so the parent who does

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not know about purpose will talk to
their child based on job security. Right.

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Adults understands purpose, we'll talk to
their child based on purpose. And

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so I am trying to change that
native And I've been at this gosh for

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about twelve years. God, you're
gonna be working at it for the rest

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of your life, my friend.
And that's good. So we have good

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company. Me. Let's call out
really quick doctor Claudia Beanie here in the

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Dallasport Worth area. She started the
House of Shine. I've had her on

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the radio show Great Conversation. Unlike
us Kenny, she is out to help

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as many people, especially as early
as she possibly can. Youngsters look within

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and see what's special about themselves and
what's where are their talents so they can

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start and build their life from there? What a concept? Yes? Right?

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Instead, so here's where it gets
also very interesting. I love this

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is great for our listeners and viewers
too. You also write about this in

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your book and you say, when
you understand your purpose, the work you

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pursue becomes the channel through which you
express your purpose. Completely agree, it

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works how you and I express,
manifest and fulfill the reason purpose for which

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God created us. Till this becomes
a foundational truth, we will not fully

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realize and express our life purpose and
will not find the deepest satisfaction work has

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to offer. Amen. So true. So again, a lot of these

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things I write I get to me
are so obvious. But if it is

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not a foundational truth, if you
don't have that understanding of your work being

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a reflection of your purpose, we
end up working for extrinsic factors that we're

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working for pay, we're working for
salary, we're working for you know,

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perks, all sorts of external things. But the internal is missing. The

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internal satisfaction is not there. And
so once you understand that your work should

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be an expression of your purpose,
that starts to drive the decisions you make.

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I have for who have given up
cushy, comfortable jobs to take less

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paying jobs because they knew this was
their purpose. And again going back to

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the conversation you talked about earlier on
clarity, that clarity just it's something others

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Y're like, well, how could
you leave such a job to go do

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this? But in this other job
that they're doing, they are at peace

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and they're alive. They're alive,
They're so alive. Yes, yes,

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okay, so this work gets so
fun for me? Can I? So?

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I After I did my PhD in
Human development, I did a postdoc

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larger research on meaning the work and
identity and I found fifteen modes of engagement.

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And so they take into account the
level, the kind of depth of

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meeting, and how what's the relationship
between the work and the person are they

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expressed themselves, does it fit,
is it inseparable, et cetera. One

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of the modes that I found is
called living your purpose. And that's where

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I am today, That's where I
wanted to speak. For the longest time.

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I was in self actualizing mode for
quite a long time, using work

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as a way to develop myself,
discover myself. But the living your purpose

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mode is just what we're talking about. It's this thing of who you're being

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in the world. And then the
service that you're providing is who you're being

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in the world. And it just
happens to be called work. It's considered

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work and you get paid for it. So since that's the way I live,

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why would I ever stop working.
I have no intention of stopping working

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until I'm dropped into the ground.
We shouldn't. We shouldn't be because I

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tell people your purpose when I say
your purpose is your work. Your purpose

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is not a hobby, right,
It's not something that you do part time.

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This is the reason why you are
here. So even when you are

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in your eighties or nineties, just
still breathing. You may not work with

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the intensity you did when you were
fifty or forty, but that thing that

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comes naturally to you will still touch
the world. It will still be touching

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the people around you. And so, really, like you say, you

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don't stop working, yeah, otherwise
you stop being. So that's how I

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love. It's an exper I love
the way you say it's an expression of

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your purpose. I completely agree with
that, and I think for several listeners

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that's a new idea for them,
and that's what we want, so now

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to that in. I think it's
also important for them to distinguish. And

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I know when I share my modes
of engagement, people like, oh my

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gosh, you mean people experience working
in a different way than what I do.

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That's crazy. So would you share
for our listeners and viewers the five

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levels of work satisfaction that you describe
in that latest book. The first which

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I call the basic level, and
you can for those who are familiar with

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Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The first
is the basic level, and that's where

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you work because you need a job, any job. It's out of despiration,

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out of of you know, just
wanting to get started, have something

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coming in. You don't care what
the job is, and for most people,

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fuck I don't. I'm not sure. I believe everyone who works at

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that level is dissatisfied with their job, but they need it and they've all

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been there at some point. The
level, too, is where you now

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work because you want more and more
can mean promotion. You know you have

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a job, there's some security,
but now you want to move up.

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You want more money, you want
more security, you want more perks.

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The third one is where you work
because you like the organization. You may

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not necessarily like the job, but
the job is tolerable, but you love

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either what the company stands for or
the people with whom you work. And

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it's amazing how a lot of people
stay in positions because of that. Level

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four, where things really start to
get exciting, is where you're not working

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based on your natural abilities. Now, this is the person who has a

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good understanding of how they are wired, and they are now working in what

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we call the sweet spot. They've
chosen the job because they know that contributing

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us so much. And level five, that is where you are now working

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in your purpose, where your job
is a calling. You know, this

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is the divine thing I am meant
to do. That helps so much to

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distinguish how more people are. So
when I did my Modes of Engagement research

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CANA, I very much followed mailstoguthography
of needs as well in the relational order

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of the value and what they valued, so I did something very similar.

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So there's a lot of overlap there. So with that, listeners and viewers,

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let's let you chew on that for
just a moment. Let's grab our

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first break. I'm doctor Lis Cortez, your host who ran there with Kena

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ill ilo In Yosi, an author, career coach, and professional speaker who

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believes deeply that you are how you
are for why you are, that your

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natural abilities are indicators of your purpose. We've been talking a bit about purpose

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and work after the rape. We're
going to talk about how work is expressed

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through purpose. Stay with us,
We'll be right back. Doctor Elise Cortes

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is a management consultant specializing in meaning
and purpose and inspirational speaker and author.

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She helps companies visioneer for greater purpose
among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership and

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meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment,
performance, and commitment within the workforce.

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can talk about it if you're just
joining the program. My guest today's Kena

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Ilo and Yosi, the author of
Finding Your sweet Spot, DNA of Talent,

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and his most recent work Put Your
Purpose to Work, How to Find

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Fulfillment in your nine to five.
You joined it today from Jones Creek,

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Georgia. I'm your host, doctor
Alise Cortes so ken A. For this

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section, I want to get more
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the work that we do. So
to that end, let's talk about this

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that you call the sweet spot.
That's so great, right, the sweet

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spot, by the way, have
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that. The concept of ECA guy
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Eca Guy, no no. So
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to your sweet spot. So we'll
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ago. It's a great it's a
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to serve others in a way that
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the world and where you have the
greatest impact. And when you start on

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your path of purpose, you create
a creativity kicks in. So the sweet

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spot is pretty fantastic. So tell
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it. And it all starts with
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with their natural abilities. That is
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spot. In my first book,
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to your interest and your passion,
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you are not here for yourself,
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and abilities and all that you are
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difference between that, and we can
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sweet spot and working in your purpose. In your sweet spot, you are

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serving others, but it's still you
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where you are the one choosing what
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But in your purpose. This is
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is where you're being led to serve
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their sweet spot experience deep fulfillment.
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in how they work. Yeah,
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bit deeper for our listeners of yours
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to how we're wired is so important. So when I'm out and I'm doing

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like a strengths workshop, I'm a
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the audience first, what were you
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were a kid? To I talk
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too, whatever, to whatever.
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all these things you know, to
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I'm like, great, that is
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going to get washed out of you. It's just who you are. Your

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opportunity is to figure out how to
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do you do you ever find that? And this it amazes me, but

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it hurts me a bit. Do
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to talkative, to this, to
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when they become early teens, they
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that's exactly right. Yes, well, and so people say things like I

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was told I was too sensitive,
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when you turn that into wow,
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a who has that sensitivity intelligence.
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everybody said was bad about you and
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opportunity. So anyway, I love
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you're wired, because it's not going
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right, Nope, Nope, you're
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cool and how you are it is
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That's right. And again it's just
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to work? That's you know,
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really does work, this idea of
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or in the helping profession, as
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so then if we talk about you
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four works. We talked about the
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don't look for a job. They
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add value and work for them as
a partnership with your organization just there to

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earn a paycheck. They're really there
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say more about this level for because
I think many listeners of yours would love

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to at least get to four,
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a mind shift. You know,
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a point where I talk about them
articulating the value statement. You need to

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know what value you bring to the
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working in your gifts and abilities,
using your strengths, you know why

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you want to work, why you
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know what you bring to the table. And I tell people corporations do not

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exist to create jobs. That is
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some people get upset because I say
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is the truth. Exist to provide
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the nonprofit organizations. And so the
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on their strengths, what they add
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it's a mind shift because now it's
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because you should, you should also
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leave, either move to a different
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ken A, and so that's really
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that you need to be able to
articulate your value. In fact, what

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I always recommend to people that I'm
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that people have to steward their their
career and their branding by sharing and articulating

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what it is they're doing without being
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done so that they recognize that this
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You're excited about it, right,
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career and socialize your value. Yeah, it is not. It is not

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HR responsibility. Sorry, it is
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to find a person who can do
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based on skill or based on natural
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really shouldn't. But you, as
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are the one who should know.
Okay, I will excel in this role,

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in this position because I am naturally
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area of natural wining, in your
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you have more capacity to produce more, You're more intuitive and creative. And

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so I tell people know these things
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why this is why you want this
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want even going into a negotiation for
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make the case for it. If
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you. That's right, that's right. And you are the best storyteller of

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yourself anyway, right, Why would
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else or or assign that elsewhere when
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notes here that I wanted to talk
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people seeing their workers are calling.
And I love again how you say that.

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that they are responsible to a higher
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awareness of eternity and the brevity of
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they won't live forever and want to
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life. Yes, yes, yes, I can. I completely relate to

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that. Can they So talk about
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that, and then I want to
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this is how I think and how

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I live and how I based on
my belief we did not create time,

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that there's a bigger picture within which
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this span of time to play our
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the way I see it, there
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get me where I am, and
I am meant to play my part to

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help others get to where they need
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to the one who's put me in
this position to fulfill what he wants me

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to fulfill. Again, as a
person of faith, I'm not looking for

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when I get to having I don't
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That's also quotable. Let's say that
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get when I get to Heaven or
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want to hear welcome. I want
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that's it, It's true. Yeah, okay, okay, well you're

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good, welcome, go sit down
now, it's like, wow, you

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did your part, come on in
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faithful servants. What I want,
That's what I want to And I could

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so relate cany to what you say
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a higher power, that you know
that you're you've been asked to do this,

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you you you being obedient to this, to this this service of being

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and that you have an awareness of
attorney in the brevity of time. What

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that actually does is when you recognize
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because it reminds us that we do
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a sense of urgency to live and
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we have been given. So for
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six, and i am I am
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more programs for the company, and
i do work seven days a week because

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I'm expressing what I'm doing who I'm
being in the world. And so I'm

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very aware that you know, at
some point, you know the clock's going

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to stop, you know, clicking, and my time is up. True,

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and at that point it's too late
to catch up. Yes, time's

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gone exactly. But I'm having more
fun that I'm supposed to have. I'm

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sure I'm having more fun than people
can imagine. And they're like, but

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you work so much. Yes,
I'm creating what I want. I'm creating

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what I'm expressing myself through my purpose
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life in the process. Seems like
a pretty good way to go through life

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to me, Alicia, you are
living. You know. I think it's

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John Maxwell who said it, who
put it best, Like often a lot

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of people people don't have near death
experiences, they have near life experiences.

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You know, that's so true,
that's so true. I was almost alive.

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I was almost there, you know, like, what's like us walking

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dead. It's like, you know, most people are dead, but it

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has not been made official yet,
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Yeah. Well again, that's why
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It's really to awaken people to their
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can self enliven. If you will
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say, it is critical and unfortunately
a lot of people are not. If

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you since you are a Gallop certified, a coach, you know, the

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statistics they're working events serving that they
do every year. The numbers have not

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changed. Only about thirty percent of
people at work engaged. They love the

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job they're doing, they love what
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purpose. Most people are not.
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listeners and viewers to go to the
Galbanization. Eighty five percent of the global

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workforce doesn't want to go to work
on Monday or whenever the shift starts.

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It's better in the States, it's
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but yeah, we've worked to do
so to that end, you talk

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about three ways we can engage purpose
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You know how you are wired,
but you are the one choosing what

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you do. You know your goal
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serving allthers. That's working in your
working with a purpose. The second one

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is working for a purpose. Now
this is cause driven. You're working for

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something bigger than self, to be
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and there's something about what they do
that drives you and you want to be

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connected to that purpose. Now,
notice for both of them, I talked

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about working with a purpose or working
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working in your purpose. Big difference. For one and two. You can

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choose anything and it's all good,
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your purpose and you know that this
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is why I am alive. I
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this company, I like this No
everything in me gives me that indication,

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and this is what I was creating
today. It comes back down to calling

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mm hmm, which is smacked down
my lane. And with that, let's

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give our listeners up in the chew
one. We'll be taking another quick break

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here. I'm your host, Doctor
Release Cortes. We're going nair with Kenna

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ilio in Niosi, an author,
career coach, and professional speaker who believes

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deeply that you are how you are
for why you are, that your natural

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abilities are indicators of your purpose.
We've been talking a bit about purpose in

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work and jobs. After the break, we're going to talk about tending to

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purpose and its virtuous cycle. Stay
with us, we'll be right back.

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Doctor Elise Cortes is a management consultant
specializing in meaning and purpose and inspirational speaker

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and author. She helps companies visioneer
for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose

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inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that
elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within

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the workforce. To learn more or
to invite Elise to speak to your organization,

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please visit her at elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about how to get

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your employees working on purpose. Is
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To reach our program today or open
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to a lease Alise at elisecortes dot
com. Now back to working on Purpose.

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Thanks fores sting with us, and
welcome back to working on purpose if

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you're just joining the program today.
My guest is kenae Ilio and Nusi,

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the author of Finding Your Sweet Spot, DNA of Talent, and his most

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recent put Your Purpose to Work,
How to find fulfillment in your nine to

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five You know today from John's Creek, Georgia. I'm your host, doctor

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Elise Cortes. So for this last
segment here, kin, I wanted to

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really get really deeply into this notion
of why purpose is such an important thing

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to carry us forward and how energizing
it is. So you say, another

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thing that I love to quote from
your book is you say, working in

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your purpose means that you intend to
and care for the reason for which you

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were created in order to bring,
increase and develop something new. That is

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profound, so simple, but so
profound. Say more about that where do

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I start when you work in your
purpose that they tend to come down to

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you paying attention, you prioritizing your
purpose, and and in what you do

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there is increase because there's stuff coming
out of producing your creating. You are

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manifesting what you are meant to manifest
to the world. It's just a natural

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outflow. And so once you get
into working in your purpose, things new

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things come out. Like I talked
about, you are more creative, you

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are more intuitive. And often I
tell people you can't help it. You

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know, people ask you, how
do you do that? I don't know,

446
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I just did. But that happens
when you are in your purpose.

447
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.800
Mm hmm. Well I'm a testament
to that, Kinney. I mean,

448
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I have never been more creative my
whole entire life and what I really stepped

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into and allowed myself to live and
work for my purpose and now today I

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mean I has already heard you order
heard me say that I got purpose ignited

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out last November. I have two
more books planned in that trilogy. Women's

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anthology is coming out next month August. Starting to work on the men's anthology

453
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Education. Thank you, it's so
fun. I'm having more fun. And

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then and then creating programs and services
and offerings from it. You're so right,

455
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you just can't help it. So
it's and it is fun. Yeah,

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you can't because you don't eat,
you don't stop thinking about what is

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you and it's not work, you
know, kind of like you're talking about

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you know, you're talking about writing
books. I'm constant I have a a

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my notepad on my phone. Of
course, I think I'm like forty four

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book titles. I don't know what
I'm going to write them all. Sometimes,

461
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but you're thinking of things to do, and you pen down your thoughts

462
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sometimes when you start to realize,
okay, that is not meant to be

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a whole book, it's meant to
be part of a book, and you

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file it away. There's just stuff
coming out. You know, you will

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never find me talking about finance.
I don't. I'm not. I am

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not creative about how you're going to
balance budgets or you know, world economy.

467
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That's not my gifting. So I'm
not coming up with creative stuff about

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that. But I'm coming up with
things about work, purpose, your abilities,

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fulfillment. You know, those things
are constantly point out of me.

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Me too, I'm with you and
by the way, you can run from

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you, but you can never hide. So you and I are going to

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continue talking, and who knows what
we're going to do together, So it's

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just going to happen. I already
know that. So well, let's break

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down those three things because I think
what you do in the book is so

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powerful. But let's talk about purpose
first. So say a bit more about

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this, how the discovering your purpose
should you talk about in Triggered syste sub

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urgency? Tell us more about this
the area of purpose here so we get

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closer to it. Yeah, so
it starts with the discovery, and the

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discovery starts with first believing that you
have a purpose. It's amazing people how

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many people don't believe they have a
purpose of them, how many people don't

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believe they have gifts on natural abilities, and so helping people through that and

482
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coming to that place where okay,
you have the abilities and you have a

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purpose, that opens your mind up
to the other things. Okay, introspection

484
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looking back, like you talked about
how you were wired and how it infested

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as a child, because the truth
about it, between one and ten,

486
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you see how people are wired.
It's it's evident and so the introspection helps

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you now start identifying all those things, and you can use assessments to sort

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of affirm and confirm the things that
you've realized or seen through introspection. But

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the discovery is where it all starts
from m and that introspection is so important.

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I like that both of us used
assessments in each of our respective works

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because they do help people to gain
vocabulary about themselves. And to your point

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that you said earlier, people often
say, what do you mean that's that's

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a talent or that's a strength,
that's just me. Yeah, and it's

494
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a talent and a strength, and
it distinguishes you, right, So okay,

495
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so first go looking for it.
I love that you also say,

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believe that you do have a purpose. I think a lot of people they

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don't believe that, so that's very
important too. So then yep, number

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two is attention. You talk about. The strong poll or the call of

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your purpose will always be present,
but your response, the attention you give,

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is a choice you have to make
over and over again. Prioritizing and

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focusing on your purpose is so very
true because then your purpose is not a

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00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.559
hart, it is not a side
job. It's not a side gig,

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it's not something you can work part
time. This put it this way,

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your purpose is the foundation of you. Your purpose there before you were created.

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You were created for your purpose and
so you cannot make it second dary.

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It is the reason why you are
and if you don't give it the

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attention that it requires, you cannot
feel what your creator to fulfill. But

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it's just just no way. Mm
So from my perspective on on that notion

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of attention, so that what that
speaks to is clearing away and not spending

510
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time on things that maybe we'll pull
you away. Maybe they're they're busy work,

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or they're the things that distract you. They don't they don't give you

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a period of focus, or they
even worse yet, they take you off

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the course of purpose. Right.
So that's where what I like to do

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and my work can is I have
people do a eulogy, write their good

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story, right, what is it
that they wanted most in their life to

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happen? And they write this beautiful
thing of who they became and what they

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did in their lives. And when
they when they do that, all this

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small stuff that they're going through that
they spend all this time worrying about or

519
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.960
spending time on goes away. You
can't see it anymore. It's such a

520
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great it's a it's a great thing
to do to be able. And I

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would I would put that in the
in the attention camp for sure. Yeah,

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and and and it is in my
book. I talk about you know,

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the distractions and uh destructions, all
those things, but we all the

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truth about it. Will all get
distracted at point. But if you don't

525
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have something, if you don't have
your true north, you you know,

526
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:12.280
you carry on that bunny trail,
and so this gives you focus. That's

527
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right, apple. Life is life. You know. Success is not a

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straight line. It's squigly, it's
messy, and sometimes get caught in the

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whirlwind of life. But your purpose, your attention, always brings you back.

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M m mm hmmm. Yeah.
I love the id the idea of

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the purity of focus. Right.
I have people come to me all the

532
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time and say, well, Liz, you should do this. You'd be

533
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so good at this if you added
this or did this, or you know,

534
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maybe I would be good at that. But it doesn't yeah, yeah,

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yeah, Well what I get to
is but that doesn't actually let me

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really execute to my purpose. It
doesn't let me really, really totally surrender

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myself to my purpose. Yes,
I could do those things in addition to

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what I'm doing, but it doesn't
let me give a purity, give myself

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00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:01.119
over to that purpose. Yeah,
it's it's it's I think it was Leonardo

540
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:08.000
da Venture that said simplicity and ultimate
sophisticated. M keep it simple, Just

541
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:15.920
keep it simple. What we've been
called to do is big enough to occupy

542
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our lives. It may not be, as you know, to earth shattering,

543
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or might not seem so sexy,
but this is what we've been called

544
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to do. I can't do what
you do, you can't do what I

545
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do, and we all need to
just be despite being who we are and

546
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.159
who we've been called to be.
Yeah, well, and to your point,

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we can make that as big as
we want, which I think is

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going to probably speak to the number
three, which is increase. So you

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say, if you attend to your
purpose, growth will naturally occur in your

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life. And I don't just mean
physical growth, of course, your purpose

551
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.360
is meant to add something to the
world, something that others will need and

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use. So say more about the
increased part of this purpose attention increase.

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As you give attention to what you've
been called to do, you're creating this

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increase. You're becoming a better person
you've become. You're really getting deeper into

555
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who you should be. Again.
On the faith side, I talk about

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God can do what he wants to
do without us, but it's all about

557
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becoming better. And I see that
the things we do as part of the

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tool which He uses to make us
better people to increase. We're adding new

559
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to the world. You know,
creativity does not stop. And when we

560
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when we're done with our part in
the brand scheme of life, there are

561
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new things that will sound. You
know, I think about kids today who

562
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are used to, you know,
touchscreen phones. In thirty four years,

563
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what will they be telling their kids. Do you know there's a time when

564
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we have touchscreen phones exactly? Like
ha, Like huh that is so dtaied,

565
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:17.239
right. I don't know what kind
of phones they'll be using. Then,

566
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.920
you know I grew up with the
rotary phones. Well, it'll be

567
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:23.920
telepathy, right, we won't need
even the instruments, will be telepathy.

568
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:28.000
That'll be That's where we're going.
No, it's great. Now I want

569
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to add on to what you just
said here. This is so great to

570
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be able to talk with you and
each of us kind of threading in our

571
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perspectives. So from my vantage point, I talk about how purpose gives you

572
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a unique lens on the world that
only you can see certain opportunities or ways

573
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of being, and that unique lens
is through the difference through which you get

574
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.639
to innovate, create and make a
difference worthy of your one precious life and

575
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.599
what you don't want. You're not
in that camp. You don't recognize.

576
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.079
Not everybody else sees it that way, And isn't it obvious, Like you

577
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.519
said, isn't it just obvious not
to anybody else? But it is you.

578
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:08.599
Yeah, because it's yours. It's
it's yours. It's it's the it's

579
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:14.159
the way you see and you see
based on how you are wired. Mm

580
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:19.559
hmm. It's it's it's one one
follows the other. And there's certain problems.

581
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:23.000
There are certain things that only you
will see that only you will solve.

582
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That is why you are here.
I know. It's so beautiful.

583
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:31.440
Prayer is it is? It is? My prayer is that my eyes are

584
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:37.559
always open to see the problems that
I am meant to solve because nobody else

585
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.519
can solve them. I already replaced
me neither and I want to be.

586
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.599
I want to I want to make
a difference. I want to matter.

587
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So so to that end, there
are some really fantastic benefits of purpose.

588
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You write about them in the book
What are they? One confidence, there's

589
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the you know living life, Yes, yes, yes, and you know

590
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they say when you understand your purpose. A person who lives on purpose may

591
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:09.800
be seen by others as being arrogant
because the things you say no to others

592
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:14.280
are like, who do you think
you are? But it's not out of

593
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.440
arrogance or pride, but it's just
you know who you are, you know

594
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:20.719
what you're meant to be doing,
and you're focused on it. So there's

595
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:27.440
confidence. There's adventure. Oh my
goodness, that just the opportunities that start

596
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.400
to open up to you when you
are so focused on why you are alive.

597
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:37.119
It's the deep fulfillment. This is
a deep sense of fulfillment right when

598
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.920
that speaks to that smacks of the
meaning that people want. So then I

599
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:45.440
really want to talk about this,
and this is wherever you are in the

600
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spectrum of faith, Ladies and gentlemen. So one of the things Kenny says

601
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in his book is is fulfilling,
as in achieving God's plan for your life

602
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:57.920
is not just about doing something,
it's about becoming something. And your purpose

603
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:05.639
is not a fad. It's your
assignment on earth profound. It's not a

604
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:10.760
flavor of the month. It's not
it's not going to change next month,

605
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:20.760
next year. It's you. It's
always been until you're you're done with it,

606
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.960
it will be. It was there
before you. It was waiting for

607
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:28.960
you to wake up to it,
to live it. And when you're done,

608
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:35.840
you would have fulfilled what a need
to fulfill their purpose. You know

609
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.599
again, there's this interconnectedness of life. I'm here, yeah i am.

610
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I am Nigeria and I've been here
twenty years and I'm and I'm changing lives

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in America, not in Nigeria.
You know, why not in Nigeria.

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I don't know. I'm not going
to be beat my head head head about

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that. But this meant to be
right. Yeah, it's beautiful and a

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fantastic to close the show. So, but before we go, though,

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can I want you to give you
a chance and say, maybe thirty seconds

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or so, to leave the listeners
of what you'd like to leave them with,

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knowing that this show is listened to
by people across the world who really

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care about trying to find either a
place where they become alive at work or

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that they can help create cultures of
work that are that are they are meaningful.

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We do business that better is the
world. What would you like to

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leave them with? Regardless of where
you live, regardless of where you were

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born, regardless of your circumstances,
whether it's good or bad, whether you

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think it's you think you've gotten the
shorthand of the stick. There is a

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purpose for your life, and that
purpose is your key to deep fulfillment in

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life. And always say is one
believe that you have a purpose, Start

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to look for it, wake up
to the reason why you are alive,

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and make the magic. Give what
you're meant to give to the world.

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That is something unique that you and
only you carries, no one else,

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and we all need you to do
your part because that's why we're here.

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Completely agree. Thank you so much
Kenned for being on the on show,

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for writing the third book that you
did. I loved reading it. I

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got so much out of it,
And thank you for sharing your heart,

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your passion, your soul, and
your purpose with us today. Thank you,

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thank you, thank you. It's
been a pleasure. Thank you for

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having me. And like you said, we're going to be connected at the

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hip and looking forward to the things
we'll do it together in future. But

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thank you so much. So welcome
Kennedy listeners and viewers. If you want

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to learn more about Kena, his
books and the work he does, visit

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Talent Revolution dot me again, it's
Talent Revolution dot me. And thanks again

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to our partnering sponsor, work Proud, which helps companies build a platform where

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your workforce receives meaningful feedback and thanks
for their work from people across your company.

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In other words, it's scalable recognition. Last week, if you missed

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the live show, you can always
catch up your recorded podcast. We were

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on the air with several of the
authors for the new anthology I've curated just

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coming out in August of twenty twenty
one, called Passionately Striving and Why,

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an anthology of women who persevere mightily
to live their purpose. In it,

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I've gathered twenty five women from all
over the world who share their deeply personal

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journeys of struggle and triumph to get
to purpose. Next week will be on

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the air with Lars Peter Neeson in
Switzerland talking about the work he does with

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ACAPS and H two eight Networks,
where he works with sixty highly innovative humanitarian

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agencies creating an enabling environment for humanitarian
action through service delivery. See you there,

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and that work is at least a
third of our life. So let's

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work on purpose. We hope you've
enjoyed this week's program. Be sure to

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tune in too, Working on Purpose
featuring your host, doctor Elise Cortes each

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week on the Voice America Empowerment Channel. Together, we'll create a world where

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business operates conscientiously, leadership inspires impassioned
performance, and employees are fulfilled in work

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that provides the meaning and purpose they
crave. See you there, Let's work

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on Purpose.