You’re Awake Now – Let’s Work Together to R-E-N-E-W Ourselves and the Planet

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dot com. Now getting in today's
program with us is Sandeep Nath, who

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is first an internal wellness coach.
He specializes in helping professionals, senior executives

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and business owners achieve optimal health,
happiness, and harmony through the transformative principles

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of Renewalism and eight dimensions of wellness. He serves as the Chief Wellness Officer

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for the Wellness Seekers Academy and the
virtual broadcaster and author of The Renewal Show,

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and is out to evangelize the renewalism
movement across the globe. We'll be

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talking today about some of the key
ideas he puts. Further news book Renewal

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your unexpected role in saving the planet. Send Deep joined us today from Delhi,

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India. Sandeep, welcome to Working
on Purpose. Thank you so much.

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At least that's an absolute one,
and I'd like to be on this

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show. Thanks a lot, and
hello everybody. Hello so Lamas day Vana

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com I just as you know,
I love your country and I was there

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in December twenty fourteen and we met
on LinkedIn. Thank you very much.

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I think you've reached out to me
and then it's been magic ever since since.

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Sandeep. I'm a big believer in
what you're doing in the world.

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I want to first showcase this beautiful
book that you wrote. Of course,

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as you saw, I read it
cover to cover, as I am proving

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to do because I love learning from
my guests. So let's first talk a

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little bit about where the book came
from why did you write this book?

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And then we're gonna get into actually
how it came to be, But why

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did you write this book? So
I'll have to pull the audience back about

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twenty years to answer that question.
Where I do it quickly because I used

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to run a consulting company way back
in nineteen ninety seven. Is when I

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started about sevent eight years into the
into the operation of the company, I

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started feeling that me and my clients
were part of the problem that we were

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creating for the world, not a
part of the solution. And I said

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that because I was troubled by the
way that we were marketing products and getting

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the younger generation to live their lifestyles
against the bio rhythms and eating convenience foods

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and stuff like that, and that
didn't go well with me. So I

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said, there's got to be something
that we must plan for which changes the

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consciousness with which we operate as companies. And we're talking about two thousand,

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three thousand five at this point in
time, I didn't have any answers,

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but I investigated spiritual gurus who are
who abound in India, as you're aware,

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And why I investigated them was because
they seem to have answers for practically

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everything. So that was the beginning
of my journey with Vedic masters, and

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then that led me to twenty ten
when I handed my company over to the

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other directors and headed out of the
Himalayas on a one way plan. And

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I learned from Tibetan llamas. I
lived in monasteries and all of that.

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Why this is relevant is because from
there is what you said just now a

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least is that is where I learn
all about our inner workings, our inner

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power. How energy is so important
in this whole mind body spirit equation,

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and how we we we always talk
about being high on spirits low on spirits,

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which means high energy, low energy, but we don't know anything about

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what to do about setting that right. We have a little bim we know

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what to do. The body was
very connected with the mind was somewhat connected

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with, but energy spirit Nana.
In twenty nineteen, I was sitting in

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Mexico and I suddenly got this channeling
of a word called renewal and the renewal

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of human consciousness, and I started
writing forty days, two hundred and forty

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pages. That's the book Neatly stacked
into three sets of habits for self renewal,

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symbiotic renewal, and systemic renewal.
I have no idea how it got

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so organized and how it's so deep. I mean adding the book myself and

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I say, hey, that was
good. So I can't say I'm the

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author of the book, but I
can't say that this is a message that

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came to me just before COVID.
And when we got into the lockdowns is

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when I was kind of editing this
book and I said, man, it

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starts with mindfulness. It starts with
being mindful about your mask, about a

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little distancing, and then it goes
into what the lockdowns brought us, online

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schooling, which is a systemic renewal, which it already been written about,

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into Telly commuting, which is a
systemic renewal which we have already studied.

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And now the point is, if
we had the time to design these systems

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over four or five years, we
have done a damn good job. Brought

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down read the state cost, brought
down stress. But everybody is so stressed,

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and this is because it's been in
most upon us. That's when I

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said, no, this book has
got to be out before we regress into

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our old habits, and that's how
the book came about. Oh Sandeed,

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it's so beautiful. I'm so happy
to know you and have you in my

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life because I already can I already
know and can recognize the energy that you've

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washed over into me just by meeting
you and reading your book. So let's

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get into a little bit of the
content here that I just there's so much

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to celebrate in the book. And
obviously we're not going to do it full

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justice or even what you're doing in
the world. We're just going to get

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people a taste. But first,
I think it's really important what you did

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when you opened the book and you
talk about how the coronavirus really helped us

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realize many really important things. If
you could just speak to a few of

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those things that you notice that were
critical awakening agents and that in that pandemic,

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Yeah, let me just talk about
a few which all of us have

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experienced. You see, if you
read the preface and it's available online at

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renewalism dot com, will you will
see that we have experienced this interdependency.

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Everybody was suddenly aware that hey,
is something happening in one corner of China

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City and never heard of, is
affecting me, is affecting my kids,

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is affecting the way I live my
life. So we are all connected to

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good, all for bad. It
also got us to understand, then we

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don't have to spend our time on
the malls. We don't need the cinema

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houses to feel happy. We can
reconnect with neighbors, regards, have even

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family really well, we can talk
to each other. That kind of change

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started happening. And this is anecdotal, but it's is true. And it's

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funny because it's true because we started
understanding the aspects of our lives which we

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hadn't given adequate importance too, because
we're too busy being busy, and suddenly

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we're sitting at home doing nothing,
and we realized, this feels good,

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Tom Dad feels good. And that's
that's what habits, spending time with,

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spending time with the younger generation.
There's so much two way learning to happen

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there. We started happening. So
this was kind of what I thought that

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what's happened during COVID, We've got
to acknowledge that and then stay with it,

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you know, stay with the mindfulness
of those activities. The only way

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you can stay is when you can
work them into happits. So because part

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of your grain, So that that's
how it helped. Okay, so a

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couple of things. So one of
the things that you said when you were

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helping to recognize you have a whole
long list of the things that the coronavirus

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helps realized. The first one that
I just want to call out just quickly,

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as you said, and I agree
with this, is that what we

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learned from the coronavirus is that humans
are the real viruses on planet Earth.

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I think that we're pointing out,
but yeah, it's it's it's true,

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and that's that's that's how it was
because who is responsible for you know,

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the byline of the book is your
unexpected role in saving the planet. That's

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right. So you are responsible for
saving the planet because you were also responsible

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for destroying it. And I'm sure
the lines and the octopuses have not done

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as much as we have to the
planet. I agree all of that.

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You so let's face it, let's
face it, and let's take responsibility.

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And I'm inspired by a quote from
Gandhi. He said, be the chene

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you want to see in the wind. Yes, yes, that's so so

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fundamental to creating a movement around this
at least it is, and what I

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want to really call out and celebrate
about what you're doing, Santipa. So

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you have an urgency about this,
and that is because you've recognized that COVID

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is a wake up call and that
you're what you're out to do here with

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this global movement is you want to
make sure people don't relapse into their old

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ways before COVID. That's what you're
doing. It's so right. I see

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that you are you are literally a
man on a mission. And I also

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recognize very clearly that this is being
you've It's not just you on a mission.

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You are being guided by something that
has gotten a hold of you,

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which is how the whole book came
to be. But the urgency is incredibly

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probable and I understand it and feel
it too. Thank you welcome. Let's

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do this thing all right, Sandeep. Let's do it all right. So

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now I want to if we can. It's I have to tell you,

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Sandeve, I loved reading your book. It was so delightfully written, playful,

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but the but the language is just
eloquent and elegant and inviting, and

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we want to let's situate for our
listeners and viewers just really how this happened

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here. You know, it says
story about how Guru Prana Chandra was being

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invited to speak to a group.
But I want you to tell the backstory

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of this gurgup first and then help
us understand just how the book came through

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this gurgu if you would so,
Gudra is the I would call it an

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energy form, which possessed might be
a strong word, but let me use

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it anyway. Possessed is what I
was, what I got. Yeah,

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it's twenty nineteen November. He just
made me write those two un of funny

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pages and he identified himself after the
family identified itself. So this is,

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like you said, a family that
invites the Guru for a discourse. And

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the reason for that is that the
family is able to represent you, the

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reader and bring to the surface the
thoughts and the apprehensions and the problems of

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real life, which supposedly somebody sitting
in the Himalayas does not have. And

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the gurus descended from there. So
that's what he says. Just you know,

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a few days back, he descended
from the Himalayas. He'd been there

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for twelve years, and that's probably
inspired from my own gurus. I can't

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name any single one of them,
but a lot of those stipident llamas,

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a lot of these Vedic masters and
even some of the Uist masters and zen

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months spend a lot of time in
the mountains and they go deep within,

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and with that inner power, they
are powered to change the auto reality,

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not only for himself but for many
other people. So when we have these

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people of inner power emerge and come
within us as a society, they're able

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to direct us. They're able to
make us connect with our inner cells and

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change our auto realities. And that
is kind of what's happening through the course

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of this book, through the initial
chapters where the Guru starts talking, and

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then of course he gets into habits
which are structured the way I told you

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earlier, into the self, into
symbiotic relationships and into systems. But when

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he starts talking, he starts talking
in a way that is relatable. And

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the reason why thank you so much
for saying that, the reason why it

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is playful and interesting to read,
is because it's a narrative. It's all

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within quotation marks and with emotions and
expressions. How how people relate to a

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message like that, like like a
word what tappe opedia she developed on the

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flie do little kids in the audience
and they talk to each other and that's

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a good one. So this was
this was what made made the book interesting

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and playful. But the Guru is
inspired by my masters and is nobody real

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but very real. When we look
at the spiritual embodiment of wisdom. Mm

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hm, oh my gosh, that
is so beautiful. And I have to

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say, I want to come with
you to the Himalayas. I want to

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come with you and all all of
this spiritual seeking and guiding. I want

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to also share with you that part
of my part of the reason I was

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so compelled to have you on the
program and talk is one I'm from organ

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which is already a place that is
interested in environmentalism, and you know where.

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I think we're the original tree huggers
and granolla crunchers. But in nineteennine

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two, when I lived in Rio
de Janeiro, I got to go to

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the Rio Earth Summit, where nations
from all over the world, leaders from

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all over the world came to Rio
to talk about climate change and environmentalism,

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and I had never seen that before, and I was so compelled by that

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such that at the time I was
doing my master's degree and I then researched

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the economic, political, and social
factors that I saw contributing to the Amazonian

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deforestation. That was my master's thesis. Now today I'm in the field of

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people, but I was so compelled
by that. So I really think the

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work that you're doing is so critically
important, sent deep and I'm thrilled to

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have you on the program. Before
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you want to respond anything, I
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interesting that you've done the study and
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one thing I want to bring across
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this climate problem is not a problem
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not the CEOB twenty eight that's automatically
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I'm going to solve that problem.
It's a problem that we as. If

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you stop carrying a plastic bag,
then you will have it. Number eleven.

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You carry a bag, Any got
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any other bag when you go out
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bag problem forever. It's just a
little bit of mindael. As you take

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your cell phone, just put a
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will you come back? But because
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if you don't plan a shop,
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in. You won't need one from
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that, my friend, because of
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It's now in my car's my own, my own little inventory. So let's

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grab our first break. You're really
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reflect on what we've been talking about. I'm your host, Doctor Lei's Cortez.

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We've been on the air with Sandeep
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wellness coach specializing in helping professional senior
executives and business owners achieve optimal health,

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happiness and harmony to the transformative principles
of Renewalism and eight demetricent wellness. And

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it's out to evangelize globally the Renewalism
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right back. Doctor Elise Cortez is
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among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership
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performance, and commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite a

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staying with us, and welcome back
to Working on Purpose. I'm your host,

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doctor Elise Cortez, as I'm also
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where people realize their potential at work
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them find and contribute their greatness,
and we do business that betters the world.

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I can here to write my own
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books is which came out in March
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Great Revitalization. How Activating Meaning and
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I wrote to help leaders understand today's
workforce wants and needs and then provide twenty

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two best practices to help them realize
and address those things. You learn more

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about my books at least Cortes dot
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just now joining the program. My
guest today is Sundeep Nath, who is

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first an internal wellness coach, specializing
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owners achieve optimal health, happiness,
and harmony through the transformative principles of Renewalism

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and eight Dimensions of Wellness. Is
also the author of Renewal Your Unexpected Role

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in Saving the Planet, and is
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the globe. Amazing work that you
were doing, my friend, it's so

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beautiful. Okay, So now let's
introduce this concept that you've created in your

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book. It's so it's actually very
simple, but there's so much depth and

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breadth around it as well. And
it's this whole notion of around new so

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in for nature, E for empowerment, W for wealth. But then you

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really talk about the interdependence. And
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emotion symbiotic as well. So could
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way the model was built. Well, so at least, like you said,

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I work with senior management people,
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being, which comes from an alignment
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everything, and that is the body, the mind, and the spirit.

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cognizance and the alignment all three have
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the problems of Bernastia where where it
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life. Why is that? Because
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living in a sort of spire pyramid, you know, where the top of

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this spire is the energy part.
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little. In the middle is the
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is the one that's huge, and
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the time. And if we can
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which is how good wars in ancient
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bringing in the ancient oriental wisdom in
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know the way run our businesses.
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focus on the energy and on the
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mind and exploring and connecting with the
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which is not religious, which has
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like we use it in English normally, it's like you are in high spirits.

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So this trinity is where the new
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with nature, your oneness with empowering
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which is wealth which is not money. No fear of money is is

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crazy. You know. Money is
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prevent us from killing each other over
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be in the form of services that
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people have. You will have an
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people I've seen across the world have
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know, on a train, they
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whatever little they've got because it's lunchtime
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I need and more and I can
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kind of mindset, you're operating at
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I may use the world, So
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and wealth, and there are a
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I think if we just stick to
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lot of time on it. But
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this trinity, and understanding the trinity
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how we can sink ourselves up for
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So a few of the things,
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things that I thought were important for
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that I'm feeding them over over time. So one of the other things I

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wanted to delve into Sandeep is you
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levels of purpose, and I found
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talk about these first, the three
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the purpose part. Please all right, So leadership is this aspect of embomment.

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And you know the reason why you
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that you have and to get people
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edifying, energizing, and empowered.
So what's edifying edifying is where you are

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speaking well of the project, the
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only those positive energies to enter that
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what fifty something years ago, more
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ago, when we sent the Man
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JFK did to each other. NASA
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and we have a man the moon, for God said, we've not had

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one. Thereafter, you can do
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this mode of not bickering over things
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edifying and giving passing the baben on. That's leadership passing the baby. And

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then when it comes to energizing,
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spirit across. So you know,
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to be collaborated. And the leader, the faster he understands that, the

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more effective he or she becomes.
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people to understand why they do what
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when we're organizations, we are the
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some purpose why we have this organization. But as more people come on,

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this purpose tends to get lost or
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keep it at the forefront, right. You want to want to keep it

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at the forefront, and you want
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that becomes something that you know,
working on purpose is all about and a

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full fledged consulting assignment over months because
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But at an individual level, these
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What happens is there are five piece
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of those piece at any given point
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those piece to you, but I'm
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them down, to also write down, in the last six months, which

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of these piece you predominantly have been
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that for the six months before that
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you will see how you're trending your
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bringing you to level five purpose or
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start out in a career with our
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society to perform, you know,
to do something. And that's what the

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first please perform is. It's like
you're busy because you've got to be busy

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because you've got to be doing something. You're performing something. You've got a

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job, you've got a business,
you've got something that you've started, and

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you've got some goals and you have
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you saw very soon get out to
a treadmill of that, and I recognize

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that I was on the treadmill after
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whatever I didn't know about these five
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now that I look back to those
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life, I was I was just
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very successful with running a consulting company, and that had a lot of people

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working for me and all outward trappings
of success and everything, but ultimately it

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was just performing and a little bit
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which is proving. I was proving
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my clients, and somewhere, that's
what I told you right at the beginning,

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Somewhere I discovered that together we're not
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So that's proving. And maybe about
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this, but you can guess as
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percent people are just performing in their
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proving something as well and performing essentially
to prove, especially people who would targets,

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people who are connected with something that
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more type of stuff. An even
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which is passion. Be for passion. Working with passion means you are working,

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whether or not that that activity is
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could be working with passion on a
side project while you're doing something for your

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bread and butter performing for bread and
butter. But are you You must check

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because if that passion is there,
it will give you energy, it will

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drive a purpose at a higher level
and fuel you're working better in whatever you're

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moving with performing. So working with
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to success is the thing that gets
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the rock star that he became.
And that's the problem. That's the problem

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because when you're passionate about something,
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Everybody's gung ho, we're all rock
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what Because once you're successful, once
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there is the roadmap for anything else? Why else? And that's the

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fourth level of purpose definition, which
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pondering deliberately, consciously, what am
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people? What am I deliberately doing
to make that change? Now, Billy

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had started wondering over that. Imagine. He may not have used that word,

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but he probably did that soul searching
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and that's what carried him through to
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to, but I'll give you more
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Gandhi. We're talking about him a
while ago. He was a lawyer,

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very successful in South Africa. He
could have been a foreign return, middle

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class well to do gentry in India. But he was passionate about fighting injustice

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even out there in South Africa.
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is it that I really want to
do brought him to India. He wasn't

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doing his legal stuff and courts over
here. He had moved into making a

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contribution to the Indian masses, into
empowering all of them. Now, what

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Michael Jackson did not do is get
in touch one on one with the places

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where his money was going. He
was contributing to charities, but not like

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Billiates who was in India, who
was in Africa, who was on the

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ground getting his hands dirty and feeling
that energy and that feedback. Like a

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Shoka, great emperor Shoka, who
fought so many battles and the last one

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he fought, he started wandering.
He won't but he said, is this

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the price at which I win?
So many dead bodies around? And if

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you don't know a Shoka is the
one who after what this was the second

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century, about four hundred fifty years
after the Buddha or more than that,

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he revived Buddhism and took it all
over Southeast Asia. And the reason Buddhism

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is alive in the world today as
a philosophy is because of who Shoka did.

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And that is level five birds,
where you the p for that is

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a prosperity. You're thinking through the
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about what you've done with your passion, but it ought by transmitting your passion.

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But what's going to make a difference? What what is going to make

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people prosperous, Whether it is those
struggling Indians, whether it is those villagers

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without drinking water, whether it is
those uh, you know, the entire

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society which was bereft of a flat
belief system that did not deify anybody.

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That's what Buddhism was and brought people
to believe that they can be awakened from

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within themselves. They can do the
work, you know, work, you

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know power they habit. So just
three examples of people who they moved on

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into. Yes, just for example, sound that was incredible and so opening.

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Again, Let's let our listeners,
viewers, viewers and consider that because

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there was a lot to take in
there that was incredibly beautiful. Let's take

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our last break here. I'm your
host, doctor at Least Cortez. We're

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on the air sun Deep Nath,
who is first and internal wellness coach specializing

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in helping professional senior executives and business
owners achieve optimal health and happiness and harmony.

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He's been talking a bit about what
he's out to do here with his

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renewalism movement. After the rap,
we're going to hear more about a few

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of those habits that he gets sent
you in the book, State what us.

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We'll be right back. Doctor Elise
Cortez is a management consultant specializing and

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meaning and purpose. An inspirational speaker
and author. She helps companies visioneer for

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a greater purpose among stakeholders and develop
purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that

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elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment
within the workforce. To learn more or

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to invite a lease to speak to
your organization, please visit her at Elise

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Cortez dot com. Let's talk about
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This is working on Purpose with doctor
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Se at Elise Cortez dot com.
Now back to working on Purpose. Thanks

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for sting with us, and welcome
back to working on Purpose. I'm your

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host, doctor Elise Cortez. As
I mentioned in the last break, my

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latest book has come out, which
is the great vitalization how activating many a

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purpose can radically enliven your business.
What I did to accompany that is as

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I created an organizational assessment that allows
you to look at the standards of your

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actual workplace. You can find it
at my website at least Cortes dot com

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and it's free. It's three pages. Go get it and you'll be able

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to see how you're doing in your
own organization to meet today's workforce needs.

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If you are now just joining me. My guest is Sandeep Nat who is

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a man on a mission to evangelize
the renew Ullism effort around the world.

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He's also the author of Renewal.
Your unexpected role in saving the planet Send

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Deep once you've just last narrated for
us before the break is so breathtaking to

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me. I think that there.
I think that's the promise of your book

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on an individual level, when you
think about what you can do with your

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one precious life, and I think
what you've done there is you have opened

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something for people that I would venture
to guess the vast majority of people never

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ever get to the ponder stage.
They never even get there. And I

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want to just commend you and say
thank you for that so beautiful, thank

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you, and thank you for developing
the assessments of people know where they are.

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Well, I'm trying to do my
best with you, my friend.

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I mean, let's let's lift the
world. It means it, right,

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So let's talk about a few say, as you mentioned so beautifully at the

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beginning of the program, you talked
about how you organize the book, or

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I should say you were channeled to
organize the book if you will, around

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these three different buckets of habits,
and so there's a whole setup. I

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think it's ten. It's around self
renewal. So will you just maybe share

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one or two of the habits in
that chunk that really speak to you,

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right, So it all begins with
the self and like God, he said,

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be the change you want to see
in the world. So if you

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want to see something change, the
first thing you've got to have is to

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be aware, to be mindful about
what's happening. And to develop that awareness,

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you've got to connect your body,
mind and spirit. Is before the

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break, we were talking about the
importance of bringing that connection and alignment into

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each individual and if you miss that, please go back. That's important because

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we're losing that connection as a society
and the purpose of self renewal is to

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get us more connected with stuff that
connects us with energy that makes us more

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energized. So my promise to you
is you follow those ten habits and whether

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it's ten am or ten pm,
you will be at the stained level of

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always. It's written in a manner
that it starts in the first habit or

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when you wake up, what do
you do? And the last when you

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sleep, what do you do?
And what do you do during the day,

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And a lot of anecdotal references because
it's a top by God to bran

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Chandra. So it's kind of interesting
over there. But just to pick up

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a couple of habits that I would
think would be new for you. One

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that might be the habit of doing
chi gunk because g gun is something that

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goes back four five thousand years and
it's the word is g qi meaning life

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force energy and gun meaning to work
with. So when you are working directly

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with energy using the principles that are
five thousand years old, you're bringing the

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Tao the way the nature straight into
you on a daily basis. Now,

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this is way more powerful than yoga
or the gym, and it has the

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same own better effect because it aligns
not just the body in the mind also

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the spirit. So get all of
the chee young master, organize a business

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cheekun workshop in your organization, but
give people and teams in the habit of

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working with energy and that will keep
that energy with them. Another thing that

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comes to mind is the power of
visualization, because I mean, everybody's written

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about the chakagin is written about it, Ton'ting Robins talks about it all the

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time. But the point of how
do you do it? What do you

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do? And habit is something that
is doing and that is connecting your conscious

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subconscious and unconscious minds in a way
that it answers all those three questions.

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And that's where habit formation is so
permanent, because you get into alignment with

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that body mind and spirit of conscious, subconscious and unconscious minds. Deep subject

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won't get into that. But how
do you visualize? What do you visualize

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and how do you use that visualization
to change your auto reality? Because align

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your in a change your out only
at it, and didn't you transplit that

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vision to others? And that makes
you a leader that can g embarb people

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into go from there gorgeous and impossible
to resist. Okay, So that was

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on the self renewal set of habits. Now if I can't and let me

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indulge, if if you will,
I'd like to just read a passage from

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your book and one it will help
the readers from listeners really understand just how

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beautiful your book is written into comment
in it. This is from the symbiotic

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renewal set of habits, so you
say, and I quote, But my

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point here is that this itself is
proof that your energy field interacts with and

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gets affected by the energy around you, and it is this interaction that creates

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the interdependence we have with all other
things. Energetic attraction and repulsion determine what

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we like or don't like, what
we buy or don't buy, who we

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interact with or don't interact with.
And therefore, when we wish to exercise

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our higher purpose, when we wish
to empower our near or dear or organizational

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teams, or with our prosperity,
we must remember that the power to prosper

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come from our internal energy. Less
internal energy is the foundation of the habits

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of self renewal that built on what
you were just saying. And I think

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that that interdependence is what I think
probably many people are missing to really understand.

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So if you could speak a little
bit to this some of the habits

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and the symbiotic renewal part of the
book. Right, So I started this

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conversation when you asked me about God
within the deependence and the same reason that

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people don't understand, and go and
help to make them understand that everything depends

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on everything else. A little incident
out there in Buha change the word now.

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Likewise, we think that we're talking
about plastics. A little while back.

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We think that the whole problem of
the climate of gardenage of landfills is

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for the government to solve, is
for the authorities to solve. But my

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belief is that if we can renew
our consciousness and operate from a slightly higher

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level of self consciousness about the symbiotic
relationship that we are very much part off.

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And we carry a bag to the
market or two wherever we go out,

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we are saving two bags, the
one that the shopkeeper would have given

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us otherwise and the one that we
would have forgotten the next time. So

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00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:30.039
all those bags go to the garbage
and all the garbage goes into the landfills,

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00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:34.440
all goes into the ocean, and
that's the reason why the ocean is

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so polluted, just our back.
So things like that, if you reflect

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on them, and it doesn't take
a sitting on a cushion for twenty minutes

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to reflect on that. It just
takes you're getting cognizanto that to reflect that,

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why am I doing that? I
can carry a bag. I can,

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for example, declutter my space.
We read about it all the time.

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It's there and what's happened there on
Facebook? You know, how do

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you minimalize your life? How do
you clean your cupboards? And when you're

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recovered, as clean means your mind
is clean. Your desk reflects the state

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of mind. But still we have
all this garbage around and any person of

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00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.719
the garbage. If you count the
number of things on your desk today,

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you might be surprised at eight out
of ten of those things you do not

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use on a daily basis, maybe
not even on a weekly basis. So

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00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.400
what are they doing there? What
if you extrapolate that, what are they

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doing in your life? You bought
them once for some reason and impulse,

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but somebody else could use them.
Up cycle that thing because you don't need

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it. COVID again taught us that
that we don't need so much. We

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can do without new clothes for three
years, maybe at least three months when

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00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:53.039
the lockdowns are very severe. But
exactly I haven't haven't had the need to

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buy clothes for three years and it
hasn't affected me very much. So still

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so stuff like that is not only
good for the environment, but also good

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for your own mental makeup and put
your own decluttering and minimalizing your life and

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everything that you have to deal with
on a day to day basis. So

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people with that and make them one
in a better place. We're coming close

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to the intere but I really don't
want to also hit the last section of

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habits, and that's really the systemic
one. And I have to be able

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to situate this when you think systemically, this is really important and this is

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powerful. What you said here and
I quote what you say, you say

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corporations kill potential. My plea to
you, therefore, is to allow your

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kids to connect with their inner power
while they still have an active, unclouded

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and unobscured, and in that process
maybe even rediscover it yourself. Learn more,

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to teach more, Get your kids
to open their minds, sharpen their

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acts and as they cut better while
their so called competition goes blunt, allow

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them to explore and express what they
have driven by, encourage them to with

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that. On that plan, your
kids are tomorrow's global citizens. And because

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you might need social proof. So
then you talk about people that were homeschooled.

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So what you're suggesting in this party, which is really interesting to me,

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sand Deep, is a little bit
of homeschooling here to get off that

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path you know, of the programming. And then you go on to list

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several people who are products at being
homeschooled but I think it's important if you

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could just say a bit about the
importance of the systemic set of habits here,

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right, So let's start with that
one, because that is the habit

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is just to explore homeschooling for a
while for a year, I think your

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kids offer you didn't see how that
what is the kind of pressure that happened?

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And that would have happened in the
POOLVI year as well. But it

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can happen this year, it can
happen next year, and you would you

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would probably understand if you read the
book and those case studies, and you

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read the biographies of those people and
the kid give what people like Serena Williams,

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Vanessa Williams, people who I mean, there's a contemporary justin Bieber,

573
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but people who've done landmark work in
this world, who who've made huge changes.

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Andrew Cargan, Carnegie for instance,
Isaac Newton. Now, why what

575
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.280
is the route of this? What
goes behind this? What goes behind this

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is that the schooling system and the
way that the education is designed is making

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00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:38.840
us conform. And you know,
I'm not sure again quote Lighting Gale over

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here, but he said something very
powerful about how Conformity is practically the exact

579
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:53.880
opposite of success, because conformity keeps
us where we are, and success requires

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00:46:53.960 --> 00:47:00.599
us to break the mold. And
all these people who have been homeschooled have

581
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:05.880
broken the mold because they didn't have
anything, any shackles to tell them how

582
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.400
it is to be done the weights, the way it's always done. Now,

583
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:12.880
when it's when it's that way that
you or do it the way it's

584
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:19.199
always done. You're very good for
working in a company and following the process

585
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:24.599
leadout frame, but that's not what
changes the level of consciousness with which the

586
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planet operates. Then that's what makes
a good BBO operator. So way back

587
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:32.719
in two thousand and five, when
they started bothering me, it was those

588
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:38.800
BPO operators who were India's best kids, who were lured into the highest salaries

589
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:44.679
to do clinical jobs and they were
capable of a lot more, but they

590
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:50.239
were coming out of these schools which
they had paid for and they had to

591
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:52.400
sort of pay back their parents or
get that money back, and this was

592
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:57.679
the best job. And so so
much of human potential is going down the

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00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:02.599
train. That's where this comes from. Now, another one that relates to

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systemic renewal is something which the first
habit in this section is about your own

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00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:16.199
empower to make systemic change. We
undervalue ourselves, we under empower ourselves.

596
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And seconds, by the way,
on that one, so thirty seconds.

597
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:29.280
Yes, So I just recommend that
movie The The Oh God, No,

598
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:30.599
no, I don't have the name
of the movie. But you know,

599
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.760
this guy is in prison and he
writes every day to the authorities to get

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00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:39.199
a library in the prison and he
succeeds. Now, if a prisoner can

601
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:44.440
write every day and give the authorities
to change, what can you? Shawshank

602
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.000
Redemption, thank you so much.
You're welcome. You're so welcome. We

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00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:50.880
do this together, Sunday. We
are out of time, and I can

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00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:52.559
tell you you are such a delight
and so important in the world. I'm

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00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.880
so grateful to be connected with you, and i am with you, my

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00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.480
friend. I'm one of your soldiers. It's probably not the right word,

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00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.000
but I'm one of your followers.
How's that. Thank you so much.

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Thank you for being on working on
purpose and sharing this. It's so important.

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Listeners and viewers. If you want
to learn more about Sundee Nath the

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work he is doing to nurture it
and internal well being and his renewalist movement.

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You can start by visiting his website, which is Sandeepnath dot com.

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Let me spell that for you.
It's s A N d e e P

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nat h dot com. Sundekmath dot
com. We'll see you next week for

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another nourishing and elevating conversation here and
working on purpose and remember, work is

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an essential part of our lives,
ultimately the way we spend our lives and

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can be one of the best adventures
and means of realizing our potential and making

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the impact we crave. So let's
work on purpose and let's let's move to

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those higher levels of purposeless five that
Sundeep taught us about today. Thanks and

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see you next week. We hope
you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure

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to tune into Working on Purpose featuring
your host, doctor Elise Cortez each week

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on W four c Y. Together, we'll create a work world where business

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operates conscientiously, Leadership inspires and passion
performance and employees are fulfilled in work that

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provides the meaning and purpose they crave. See you there, Let's work on purpose.