You’re Awake Now – Let’s Work Together to R-E-N-E-W Ourselves and the Planet

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0:45 Business can be such a force for good in the world, elevating humanity. In our program, we provide guidance and inspiration to help usher in this world we all want Working on Purpose. Now, here's your host, Doctor Release Cortez, Welcome back to the Working on Purpose program. Pave tune again this week. I am your host Doctor at least Cortez and I have been hosting this program since February of twenty fifteen, and I love it's happy to have you here. If we have not met yet and you don't know me, I'm a management consultant and organizational logo therapist, speaker and author. My team and I at Least Cortez and Associates help companies to enliven and fortify their operations by articulating their purpose and building inspirational leaders and cultures activated by meaning and purpose to turn those companies from a flatline EKG to a vibrant destination workplace. There, people are intrinsically motivated to perform at their best, grow under their fuller potential, and are committed to stay and dynamically deliver on the company's mission.

1:42 You learn more about us and how we can work together at at least cortez dot com. Now getting in today's program with us is Sandeep Nath, who is first an internal wellness coach. He specializes in helping professionals, senior executives and business owners achieve optimal health, happiness, and harmony through the transformative principles of Renewalism and eight dimensions of wellness. He serves as the Chief Wellness Officer for the Wellness Seekers Academy and the virtual broadcaster and author of The Renewal Show, and is out to evangelize the renewalism movement across the globe. We'll be talking today about some of the key ideas he puts. Further news book Renewal your unexpected role in saving the planet. Send Deep joined us today from Delhi, India. Sandeep, welcome to Working on Purpose. Thank you so much.

2:28 At least that's an absolute one, and I'd like to be on this show. Thanks a lot, and hello everybody. Hello so Lamas day Vana com I just as you know, I love your country and I was there in December twenty fourteen and we met on LinkedIn. Thank you very much. I think you've reached out to me and then it's been magic ever since since. Sandeep. I'm a big believer in what you're doing in the world. I want to first showcase this beautiful book that you wrote. Of course, as you saw, I read it cover to cover, as I am proving to do because I love learning from my guests. So let's first talk a little bit about where the book came from why did you write this book? And then we're gonna get into actually how it came to be, But why did you write this book? So I'll have to pull the audience back about twenty years to answer that question. Where I do it quickly because I used to run a consulting company way back in nineteen ninety seven. Is when I started about sevent eight years into the into the operation of the company, I started feeling that me and my clients were part of the problem that we were creating for the world, not a part of the solution. And I said that because I was troubled by the way that we were marketing products and getting the younger generation to live their lifestyles against the bio rhythms and eating convenience foods and stuff like that, and that didn't go well with me. So I said, there's got to be something that we must plan for which changes the consciousness with which we operate as companies. And we're talking about two thousand,

3:59 three thousand five at this point in time, I didn't have any answers, but I investigated spiritual gurus who are who abound in India, as you're aware, And why I investigated them was because they seem to have answers for practically everything. So that was the beginning of my journey with Vedic masters, and then that led me to twenty ten when I handed my company over to the other directors and headed out of the Himalayas on a one way plan. And I learned from Tibetan llamas. I lived in monasteries and all of that. Why this is relevant is because from there is what you said just now a least is that is where I learn all about our inner workings, our inner power. How energy is so important in this whole mind body spirit equation, and how we we we always talk about being high on spirits low on spirits, which means high energy, low energy, but we don't know anything about what to do about setting that right. We have a little bim we know what to do. The body was very connected with the mind was somewhat connected with, but energy spirit Nana. In twenty nineteen, I was sitting in Mexico and I suddenly got this channeling of a word called renewal and the renewal of human consciousness, and I started writing forty days, two hundred and forty pages. That's the book Neatly stacked into three sets of habits for self renewal,

5:30 symbiotic renewal, and systemic renewal. I have no idea how it got so organized and how it's so deep. I mean adding the book myself and I say, hey, that was good. So I can't say I'm the author of the book, but I can't say that this is a message that came to me just before COVID. And when we got into the lockdowns is when I was kind of editing this book and I said, man, it starts with mindfulness. It starts with being mindful about your mask, about a little distancing, and then it goes into what the lockdowns brought us, online schooling, which is a systemic renewal, which it already been written about, into Telly commuting, which is a systemic renewal which we have already studied.

6:12 And now the point is, if we had the time to design these systems over four or five years, we have done a damn good job. Brought down read the state cost, brought down stress. But everybody is so stressed, and this is because it's been in most upon us. That's when I said, no, this book has got to be out before we regress into our old habits, and that's how the book came about. Oh Sandeed, it's so beautiful. I'm so happy to know you and have you in my life because I already can I already know and can recognize the energy that you've washed over into me just by meeting you and reading your book. So let's get into a little bit of the content here that I just there's so much to celebrate in the book. And obviously we're not going to do it full justice or even what you're doing in the world. We're just going to get people a taste. But first, I think it's really important what you did when you opened the book and you talk about how the coronavirus really helped us realize many really important things. If you could just speak to a few of those things that you notice that were critical awakening agents and that in that pandemic, Yeah, let me just talk about a few which all of us have experienced. You see, if you read the preface and it's available online at renewalism dot com, will you will see that we have experienced this interdependency.

7:27 Everybody was suddenly aware that hey, is something happening in one corner of China City and never heard of, is affecting me, is affecting my kids, is affecting the way I live my life. So we are all connected to good, all for bad. It also got us to understand, then we don't have to spend our time on the malls. We don't need the cinema houses to feel happy. We can reconnect with neighbors, regards, have even family really well, we can talk to each other. That kind of change started happening. And this is anecdotal, but it's is true. And it's funny because it's true because we started understanding the aspects of our lives which we hadn't given adequate importance too, because we're too busy being busy, and suddenly we're sitting at home doing nothing, and we realized, this feels good, Tom Dad feels good. And that's that's what habits, spending time with, spending time with the younger generation. There's so much two way learning to happen there. We started happening. So this was kind of what I thought that what's happened during COVID, We've got to acknowledge that and then stay with it, you know, stay with the mindfulness of those activities. The only way you can stay is when you can work them into happits. So because part of your grain, So that that's how it helped. Okay, so a

9:01 couple of things. So one of the things that you said when you were helping to recognize you have a whole long list of the things that the coronavirus helps realized. The first one that I just want to call out just quickly, as you said, and I agree with this, is that what we learned from the coronavirus is that humans are the real viruses on planet Earth. I think that we're pointing out, but yeah, it's it's it's true, and that's that's that's how it was because who is responsible for you know, the byline of the book is your unexpected role in saving the planet. That's right. So you are responsible for saving the planet because you were also responsible for destroying it. And I'm sure the lines and the octopuses have not done as much as we have to the planet. I agree all of that.

9:58 You so let's face it, let's face it, and let's take responsibility. And I'm inspired by a quote from Gandhi. He said, be the chene you want to see in the wind. Yes, yes, that's so so fundamental to creating a movement around this at least it is, and what I want to really call out and celebrate about what you're doing, Santipa. So you have an urgency about this, and that is because you've recognized that COVID is a wake up call and that you're what you're out to do here with this global movement is you want to make sure people don't relapse into their old ways before COVID. That's what you're doing. It's so right. I see that you are you are literally a man on a mission. And I also recognize very clearly that this is being you've It's not just you on a mission.

10:43 You are being guided by something that has gotten a hold of you, which is how the whole book came to be. But the urgency is incredibly probable and I understand it and feel it too. Thank you welcome. Let's do this thing all right, Sandeep. Let's do it all right. So now I want to if we can. It's I have to tell you, Sandeve, I loved reading your book. It was so delightfully written, playful, but the but the language is just eloquent and elegant and inviting, and we want to let's situate for our listeners and viewers just really how this happened here. You know, it says story about how Guru Prana Chandra was being invited to speak to a group. But I want you to tell the backstory of this gurgup first and then help us understand just how the book came through this gurgu if you would so, Gudra is the I would call it an energy form, which possessed might be a strong word, but let me use it anyway. Possessed is what I was, what I got. Yeah, it's twenty nineteen November. He just made me write those two un of funny pages and he identified himself after the family identified itself. So this is, like you said, a family that invites the Guru for a discourse. And the reason for that is that the family is able to represent you, the

12:13 reader and bring to the surface the thoughts and the apprehensions and the problems of real life, which supposedly somebody sitting in the Himalayas does not have. And the gurus descended from there. So that's what he says. Just you know, a few days back, he descended from the Himalayas. He'd been there for twelve years, and that's probably inspired from my own gurus. I can't name any single one of them, but a lot of those stipident llamas, a lot of these Vedic masters and even some of the Uist masters and zen months spend a lot of time in the mountains and they go deep within, and with that inner power, they are powered to change the auto reality, not only for himself but for many other people. So when we have these people of inner power emerge and come within us as a society, they're able to direct us. They're able to make us connect with our inner cells and change our auto realities. And that is kind of what's happening through the course of this book, through the initial chapters where the Guru starts talking, and then of course he gets into habits which are structured the way I told you earlier, into the self, into symbiotic relationships and into systems. But when he starts talking, he starts talking in a way that is relatable. And

13:46 the reason why thank you so much for saying that, the reason why it is playful and interesting to read, is because it's a narrative. It's all within quotation marks and with emotions and expressions. How how people relate to a message like that, like like a word what tappe opedia she developed on the flie do little kids in the audience and they talk to each other and that's a good one. So this was this was what made made the book interesting and playful. But the Guru is inspired by my masters and is nobody real but very real. When we look at the spiritual embodiment of wisdom. Mm hm, oh my gosh, that is so beautiful. And I have to say, I want to come with you to the Himalayas. I want to come with you and all all of this spiritual seeking and guiding. I want to also share with you that part of my part of the reason I was so compelled to have you on the program and talk is one I'm from organ which is already a place that is interested in environmentalism, and you know where.

14:54 I think we're the original tree huggers and granolla crunchers. But in nineteennine two, when I lived in Rio de Janeiro, I got to go to the Rio Earth Summit, where nations from all over the world, leaders from all over the world came to Rio to talk about climate change and environmentalism, and I had never seen that before, and I was so compelled by that such that at the time I was doing my master's degree and I then researched the economic, political, and social factors that I saw contributing to the Amazonian deforestation. That was my master's thesis. Now today I'm in the field of people, but I was so compelled by that. So I really think the work that you're doing is so critically important, sent deep and I'm thrilled to have you on the program. Before we go into our quick break, did you want to respond anything, I just said there, Well, it's very interesting that you've done the study and you've worked with the Amazonians, because there's one thing I want to bring across to our viewers and listeners that you know, this climate problem is not a problem sort that the cop level. It's not the CEOB twenty eight that's automatically having solutions. It's not the governments that I'm going to solve that problem. It's a problem that we as. If you stop carrying a plastic bag, then you will have it. Number eleven.

16:14 You carry a bag, Any got a bag, not plastic, but any other bag when you go out shopping. You're going to solve the plastic bag problem forever. It's just a little bit of mindael. As you take your cell phone, just put a bag next to it, and what do will you come back? But because you always come back with something, even if you don't plan a shop, you will have a back to put it in. You won't need one from the shop. Yeah. I started doing that, my friend, because of you, So thank you for that. It's now in my car's my own, my own little inventory. So let's grab our first break. You're really quick, so our listeners and papers can reflect on what we've been talking about. I'm your host, Doctor Lei's Cortez. We've been on the air with Sandeep Nath, who is first an internal wellness coach specializing in helping professional senior executives and business owners achieve optimal health, happiness and harmony to the transformative principles of Renewalism and eight demetricent wellness. And it's out to evangelize globally the Renewalism movement. Stay with us, will be right back. Doctor Elise Cortez is a management consultant specializing and meaning and Purpose.

17:27 An inspirational speaker and author, she helps companies visioneer for a greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite a lease to speak to your organization, please visit her at Elise Cortez dot com. Let's talk about how to get your employees working on purpose. This is working on Purpose with doctor Elise Cortez. To reach our program today or to open a conversation with a lease, send an email to a lease Ali se at Elise Cortez dot com. Now back to working on Purpose. Thanks for staying with us, and welcome back to Working on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez, as I'm also dedicated to helping to create a world where people realize their potential at work and are led by inspirational leaders and help them find and contribute their greatness, and we do business that betters the world.

18:30 I can here to write my own books, and one of my latest books is which came out in March of twenty twenty three, is called The Great Revitalization. How Activating Meaning and Purpose can radically enliven your business, which I wrote to help leaders understand today's workforce wants and needs and then provide twenty two best practices to help them realize and address those things. You learn more about my books at least Cortes dot com or get them on Amazon if you're just now joining the program. My guest today is Sundeep Nath, who is first an internal wellness coach, specializing and helping professionals, senior executives and business owners achieve optimal health, happiness, and harmony through the transformative principles of Renewalism and eight Dimensions of Wellness. Is also the author of Renewal Your Unexpected Role in Saving the Planet, and is out to evangelize the Renewalism a movement across the globe. Amazing work that you were doing, my friend, it's so beautiful. Okay, So now let's introduce this concept that you've created in your book. It's so it's actually very simple, but there's so much depth and breadth around it as well. And it's this whole notion of around new so in for nature, E for empowerment, W for wealth. But then you really talk about the interdependence. And then there's the mind of body, mind emotion symbiotic as well. So could you just kind of help us understand the way the model was built. Well, so at least, like you said, I work with senior management people, and I work on the internal well being, which comes from an alignment of three things. There's a trinity in

20:02 everything, and that is the body, the mind, and the spirit. So being in cognizance of all three to an equal extent, and being in cognizance and the alignment all three have is is something that can actually solve all the problems of Bernastia where where it comes to living a stress free, joyful life. Why is that? Because the problem right now is that we are living in a sort of spire pyramid, you know, where the top of this spire is the energy part. There's so the connection with it is so little. In the middle is the mind We little connected, But the body is the one that's huge, and it's it's like what we're obsessed about all the time. And if we can change this into something which is equally proportioned, which is how good wars in ancient times and all this renewal is about bringing in the ancient oriental wisdom in the design of our modern lifestyle and you know the way run our businesses. So when we when we have a greater focus on the energy and on the mind, and that comes from training the mind and exploring and connecting with the spirit, which is not relegated to spirituality, which is not religious, which has nothing sectarian about it. It is like we use it in English normally, it's like you are in high spirits.

21:33 You are a free spirit. You know you're feeling out of spirits. That's your energy speaking yes and being able to harness. That is very important. So this trinity is where the new also comes from, because your oneness with nature, your oneness with empowering community people, and your oneness with abundance, which is wealth which is not money. No fear of money is is crazy. You know. Money is just scraps of paper that we invented to prevent us from killing each other over food. Money is well, which could be in the form of services that people, in the form of attitudes that people have. You will have an attitude of giving, which a lot of people I've seen across the world have even when they don't have enough. You know, on a train, they just might open a lunch box and share whatever little they've got because it's lunchtime and they find that you don't have anything.

22:40 So it's that it's that tendency to feel that he has to have everything I need and more and I can give. And when you're operating from that kind of mindset, you're operating at a very high level of spirituality. If I may use the world, So the bodyline spirit maps onto nature, embalmment, and wealth, and there are a lot of facets to this. So I think if we just stick to this one, we're going to spend a lot of time on it. But it's important to understand that within everything is this trinity, and understanding the trinity is understanding how we can align better, how we can sink ourselves up for being at the performance so delicious. Okay, So a few of the things, like I said, I pulled out things that I thought were important for our listeners and viewers and what I know that I'm feeding them over over time. So one of the other things I wanted to delve into Sandeep is you talk about three ease of leadership and five levels of purpose, and I found that incredibly compelling. So if you could talk about these first, the three ease of leadership, then we'll get into the purpose part. Please all right, So leadership is this aspect of embomment.

24:00 And you know the reason why you are able to pass on the power that you have and to get people to feel that they can do what you do. They don't have to take, they don't have to wait for you. So so to say is because of these three ease and the ease are edifying, energizing, and empowered. So what's edifying edifying is where you are speaking well of the project, the people involved. You know, you're allowing only those positive energies to enter that space. And in the US, almost what fifty something years ago, more than fifty fifties five or fifty four years ago, when we sent the Man on the moon, that's what NASA and JFK did to each other. NASA relied on JFK and JFK for edified NASA and we have a man the moon, for God said, we've not had one. Thereafter, you can do unbelievable things when you can just get into this mode of not bickering over things and not cutting each other down, but edifying and giving passing the baben on. That's leadership passing the baby. And then when it comes to energizing, well that is the core of moving the

25:37 spirit across. So you know, you can't do things yourself. It has to be collaborated. And the leader, the faster he understands that, the more effective he or she becomes. So the way you energize is by getting people to understand why they do what they do, what's the purpose. And when we're organizations, we are the people, the founding team who sets together some purpose why we have this organization. But as more people come on, this purpose tends to get lost or diluted because it's not in the culture to keep it at the forefront, right. You want to want to keep it at the forefront, and you want to have mechanisms for evaluating where it is.

26:26 So evaluating at an individual level as well as an organizational level of because that becomes something that you know, working on purpose is all about and a full fledged consulting assignment over months because there is assessments to be done and stuff. But at an individual level, these five levels and purpose help a lot. What happens is there are five piece and we operate at one or two of those piece at any given point in time. Now I'm going to explain those piece to you, but I'm going to quest you, if you're writing them down, to also write down, in the last six months, which of these piece you predominantly have been operating from. And then you can do that for the six months before that and the six months before that, because you will see how you're trending your purpose and whether you're actually doing something that's bringing you to level five purpose or yet or not. So most of us start out in a career with our with our conditionings from school and parents and society to perform, you know, to do something. And that's what the first please perform is. It's like you're busy because you've got to be busy because you've got to be doing something. You're performing something. You've got a job, you've got a business, you've got something that you've started, and you've got some goals and you have to perform towards as goals. And then you saw very soon get out to a treadmill of that, and I recognize that I was on the treadmill after fifteen years of work. He said,

27:57 whatever I didn't know about these five is at that point in time, But now that I look back to those that those years, that period of my life, I was I was just performing, performing very well. I was very successful with running a consulting company, and that had a lot of people working for me and all outward trappings of success and everything, but ultimately it was just performing and a little bit of the second level, the second peak, which is proving. I was proving that I could make a difference to my clients, and somewhere, that's what I told you right at the beginning, Somewhere I discovered that together we're not making the right kind of difference.

28:37 So that's proving. And maybe about I mean, I don't have data back this, but you can guess as well as I can. Maybe about eighty percent people are just performing in their lives, and about ten percent people are proving something as well and performing essentially to prove, especially people who would targets, people who are connected with something that has to be achieved, which in more type of stuff. An even lesser percentage moved to the third beam, which is passion. Be for passion. Working with passion means you are working, whether or not that that activity is paying you for it. And you could be working with passion on a side project while you're doing something for your bread and butter performing for bread and butter. But are you You must check because if that passion is there, it will give you energy, it will drive a purpose at a higher level and fuel you're working better in whatever you're moving with performing. So working with passion is very, very is the key to success is the thing that gets you there. It's what made Michael Jackson the rock star that he became. And that's the problem. That's the problem because when you're passionate about something, you energize people to do that with you.

30:06 Everybody's gung ho, we're all rock stars and you're successful, and then what Because once you're successful, once you've got what you were aiming to get, there is the roadmap for anything else? Why else? And that's the fourth level of purpose definition, which is the peak pondering. You can start pondering deliberately, consciously, what am I doing? How is this changing other people? What am I deliberately doing to make that change? Now, Billy had started wondering over that. Imagine. He may not have used that word, but he probably did that soul searching or whatever and found it the foundation and that's what carried him through to the fifth level, which I will come to, but I'll give you more examples. It's not just about business.

31:08 Gandhi. We're talking about him a while ago. He was a lawyer, very successful in South Africa. He could have been a foreign return, middle class well to do gentry in India. But he was passionate about fighting injustice even out there in South Africa. And then passion with the pondering about what is it that I really want to do brought him to India. He wasn't doing his legal stuff and courts over here. He had moved into making a contribution to the Indian masses, into empowering all of them. Now, what Michael Jackson did not do is get in touch one on one with the places where his money was going. He was contributing to charities, but not like Billiates who was in India, who was in Africa, who was on the ground getting his hands dirty and feeling that energy and that feedback. Like a Shoka, great emperor Shoka, who fought so many battles and the last one he fought, he started wandering. He won't but he said, is this the price at which I win? So many dead bodies around? And if you don't know a Shoka is the one who after what this was the second century, about four hundred fifty years after the Buddha or more than that, he revived Buddhism and took it all over Southeast Asia. And the reason Buddhism

32:38 is alive in the world today as a philosophy is because of who Shoka did. And that is level five birds, where you the p for that is a prosperity. You're thinking through the lengths of prosperity of others. It's not about what you've done with your passion, but it ought by transmitting your passion. But what's going to make a difference? What what is going to make people prosperous, Whether it is those struggling Indians, whether it is those villagers without drinking water, whether it is those uh, you know, the entire society which was bereft of a flat belief system that did not deify anybody.

33:27 That's what Buddhism was and brought people to believe that they can be awakened from within themselves. They can do the work, you know, work, you know power they habit. So just three examples of people who they moved on into. Yes, just for example, sound that was incredible and so opening. Again, Let's let our listeners, viewers, viewers and consider that because there was a lot to take in there that was incredibly beautiful. Let's take our last break here. I'm your host, doctor at Least Cortez. We're on the air sun Deep Nath, who is first and internal wellness coach specializing in helping professional senior executives and business owners achieve optimal health and happiness and harmony.

34:07 He's been talking a bit about what he's out to do here with his renewalism movement. After the rap, we're going to hear more about a few of those habits that he gets sent you in the book, State what us. We'll be right back. Doctor Elise Cortez is a management consultant specializing and meaning and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author. She helps companies visioneer for a greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite a lease to speak to your organization, please visit her at Elise Cortez dot com. Let's talk about how to get your employees working on purpose.

35:04 This is working on Purpose with doctor Elise Cortez. To reach our program today or to open a conversation with Elise, send an email to Elease ali Se at Elise Cortez dot com. Now back to working on Purpose. Thanks for sting with us, and welcome back to working on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez. As I mentioned in the last break, my latest book has come out, which is the great vitalization how activating many a purpose can radically enliven your business. What I did to accompany that is as I created an organizational assessment that allows you to look at the standards of your actual workplace. You can find it at my website at least Cortes dot com and it's free. It's three pages. Go get it and you'll be able to see how you're doing in your own organization to meet today's workforce needs.

35:52 If you are now just joining me. My guest is Sandeep Nat who is a man on a mission to evangelize the renew Ullism effort around the world. He's also the author of Renewal. Your unexpected role in saving the planet Send Deep once you've just last narrated for us before the break is so breathtaking to me. I think that there. I think that's the promise of your book on an individual level, when you think about what you can do with your one precious life, and I think what you've done there is you have opened something for people that I would venture to guess the vast majority of people never ever get to the ponder stage. They never even get there. And I want to just commend you and say thank you for that so beautiful, thank you, and thank you for developing the assessments of people know where they are.

36:38 Well, I'm trying to do my best with you, my friend. I mean, let's let's lift the world. It means it, right, So let's talk about a few say, as you mentioned so beautifully at the beginning of the program, you talked about how you organize the book, or I should say you were channeled to organize the book if you will, around these three different buckets of habits, and so there's a whole setup. I think it's ten. It's around self renewal. So will you just maybe share one or two of the habits in that chunk that really speak to you, right, So it all begins with the self and like God, he said, be the change you want to see in the world. So if you want to see something change, the first thing you've got to have is to be aware, to be mindful about what's happening. And to develop that awareness, you've got to connect your body, mind and spirit. Is before the break, we were talking about the importance of bringing that connection and alignment into each individual and if you miss that, please go back. That's important because we're losing that connection as a society and the purpose of self renewal is to get us more connected with stuff that connects us with energy that makes us more energized. So my promise to you is you follow those ten habits and whether it's ten am or ten pm, you will be at the stained level of always. It's written in a manner that it starts in the first habit or when you wake up, what do you do? And the last when you sleep, what do you do? And what do you do during the day,

38:10 And a lot of anecdotal references because it's a top by God to bran Chandra. So it's kind of interesting over there. But just to pick up a couple of habits that I would think would be new for you. One that might be the habit of doing chi gunk because g gun is something that goes back four five thousand years and it's the word is g qi meaning life force energy and gun meaning to work with. So when you are working directly with energy using the principles that are five thousand years old, you're bringing the Tao the way the nature straight into you on a daily basis. Now, this is way more powerful than yoga or the gym, and it has the same own better effect because it aligns not just the body in the mind also the spirit. So get all of the chee young master, organize a business cheekun workshop in your organization, but give people and teams in the habit of working with energy and that will keep that energy with them. Another thing that comes to mind is the power of visualization, because I mean, everybody's written about the chakagin is written about it, Ton'ting Robins talks about it all the time. But the point of how do you do it? What do you do? And habit is something that is doing and that is connecting your conscious subconscious and unconscious minds in a way that it answers all those three questions.

39:37 And that's where habit formation is so permanent, because you get into alignment with that body mind and spirit of conscious, subconscious and unconscious minds. Deep subject won't get into that. But how do you visualize? What do you visualize and how do you use that visualization to change your auto reality? Because align your in a change your out only at it, and didn't you transplit that vision to others? And that makes you a leader that can g embarb people into go from there gorgeous and impossible to resist. Okay, So that was on the self renewal set of habits. Now if I can't and let me indulge, if if you will, I'd like to just read a passage from your book and one it will help the readers from listeners really understand just how beautiful your book is written into comment in it. This is from the symbiotic renewal set of habits, so you say, and I quote, But my point here is that this itself is proof that your energy field interacts with and gets affected by the energy around you, and it is this interaction that creates the interdependence we have with all other things. Energetic attraction and repulsion determine what we like or don't like, what we buy or don't buy, who we interact with or don't interact with. And therefore, when we wish to exercise our higher purpose, when we wish to empower our near or dear or organizational teams, or with our prosperity, we must remember that the power to prosper come from our internal energy. Less internal energy is the foundation of the habits

41:08 of self renewal that built on what you were just saying. And I think that that interdependence is what I think probably many people are missing to really understand. So if you could speak a little bit to this some of the habits and the symbiotic renewal part of the book. Right, So I started this conversation when you asked me about God within the deependence and the same reason that people don't understand, and go and help to make them understand that everything depends on everything else. A little incident out there in Buha change the word now. Likewise, we think that we're talking about plastics. A little while back. We think that the whole problem of the climate of gardenage of landfills is for the government to solve, is for the authorities to solve. But my belief is that if we can renew our consciousness and operate from a slightly higher level of self consciousness about the symbiotic relationship that we are very much part off.

42:12 And we carry a bag to the market or two wherever we go out, we are saving two bags, the one that the shopkeeper would have given us otherwise and the one that we would have forgotten the next time. So all those bags go to the garbage and all the garbage goes into the landfills, all goes into the ocean, and that's the reason why the ocean is so polluted, just our back. So things like that, if you reflect on them, and it doesn't take a sitting on a cushion for twenty minutes to reflect on that. It just takes you're getting cognizanto that to reflect that, why am I doing that? I can carry a bag. I can, for example, declutter my space. We read about it all the time.

43:02 It's there and what's happened there on Facebook? You know, how do you minimalize your life? How do you clean your cupboards? And when you're recovered, as clean means your mind is clean. Your desk reflects the state of mind. But still we have all this garbage around and any person of the garbage. If you count the number of things on your desk today, you might be surprised at eight out of ten of those things you do not use on a daily basis, maybe not even on a weekly basis. So what are they doing there? What if you extrapolate that, what are they doing in your life? You bought them once for some reason and impulse, but somebody else could use them. Up cycle that thing because you don't need it. COVID again taught us that that we don't need so much. We can do without new clothes for three years, maybe at least three months when the lockdowns are very severe. But exactly I haven't haven't had the need to buy clothes for three years and it hasn't affected me very much. So still so stuff like that is not only good for the environment, but also good for your own mental makeup and put your own decluttering and minimalizing your life and everything that you have to deal with on a day to day basis. So people with that and make them one in a better place. We're coming close to the intere but I really don't want to also hit the last section of habits, and that's really the systemic one. And I have to be able to situate this when you think systemically, this is really important and this is

44:32 powerful. What you said here and I quote what you say, you say corporations kill potential. My plea to you, therefore, is to allow your kids to connect with their inner power while they still have an active, unclouded and unobscured, and in that process maybe even rediscover it yourself. Learn more, to teach more, Get your kids to open their minds, sharpen their acts and as they cut better while their so called competition goes blunt, allow them to explore and express what they have driven by, encourage them to with that. On that plan, your kids are tomorrow's global citizens. And because you might need social proof. So then you talk about people that were homeschooled. So what you're suggesting in this party, which is really interesting to me, sand Deep, is a little bit of homeschooling here to get off that path you know, of the programming. And then you go on to list several people who are products at being homeschooled but I think it's important if you could just say a bit about the importance of the systemic set of habits here, right, So let's start with that one, because that is the habit is just to explore homeschooling for a while for a year, I think your kids offer you didn't see how that what is the kind of pressure that happened?

45:42 And that would have happened in the POOLVI year as well. But it can happen this year, it can happen next year, and you would you would probably understand if you read the book and those case studies, and you read the biographies of those people and the kid give what people like Serena Williams, Vanessa Williams, people who I mean, there's a contemporary justin Bieber, but people who've done landmark work in this world, who who've made huge changes. Andrew Cargan, Carnegie for instance, Isaac Newton. Now, why what is the route of this? What goes behind this? What goes behind this is that the schooling system and the way that the education is designed is making us conform. And you know, I'm not sure again quote Lighting Gale over here, but he said something very powerful about how Conformity is practically the exact opposite of success, because conformity keeps us where we are, and success requires us to break the mold. And all these people who have been homeschooled have broken the mold because they didn't have anything, any shackles to tell them how it is to be done the weights, the way it's always done. Now, when it's when it's that way that you or do it the way it's

47:12 always done. You're very good for working in a company and following the process leadout frame, but that's not what changes the level of consciousness with which the planet operates. Then that's what makes a good BBO operator. So way back in two thousand and five, when they started bothering me, it was those BPO operators who were India's best kids, who were lured into the highest salaries to do clinical jobs and they were capable of a lot more, but they were coming out of these schools which they had paid for and they had to sort of pay back their parents or get that money back, and this was the best job. And so so much of human potential is going down the train. That's where this comes from. Now, another one that relates to systemic renewal is something which the first habit in this section is about your own empower to make systemic change. We undervalue ourselves, we under empower ourselves.

48:16 And seconds, by the way, on that one, so thirty seconds. Yes, So I just recommend that movie The The Oh God, No, no, I don't have the name of the movie. But you know, this guy is in prison and he writes every day to the authorities to get a library in the prison and he succeeds. Now, if a prisoner can write every day and give the authorities to change, what can you? Shawshank Redemption, thank you so much. You're welcome. You're so welcome. We do this together, Sunday. We are out of time, and I can tell you you are such a delight and so important in the world. I'm so grateful to be connected with you, and i am with you, my friend. I'm one of your soldiers. It's probably not the right word, but I'm one of your followers. How's that. Thank you so much.

49:02 Thank you for being on working on purpose and sharing this. It's so important. Listeners and viewers. If you want to learn more about Sundee Nath the work he is doing to nurture it and internal well being and his renewalist movement. You can start by visiting his website, which is Sandeepnath dot com. Let me spell that for you. It's s A N d e e P nat h dot com. Sundekmath dot com. We'll see you next week for another nourishing and elevating conversation here and working on purpose and remember, work is an essential part of our lives, ultimately the way we spend our lives and can be one of the best adventures and means of realizing our potential and making the impact we crave. So let's work on purpose and let's let's move to those higher levels of purposeless five that Sundeep taught us about today. Thanks and see you next week. We hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure to tune into Working on Purpose featuring your host, doctor Elise Cortez each week on W four c Y. Together, we'll create a work world where business operates conscientiously, Leadership inspires and passion performance and employees are fulfilled in work that provides the meaning and purpose they crave. See you there, Let's work on purpose.