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today's program with us today is Paulina
Marinova Pompliano. She's the founder of The

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Profile, a new media company that
features long form profiles of successful people and

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companies each week. Previously, she
spent five years at Fortune, where she

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wrote more than thirteen hundred articles and
earned the trust of prominent investors and entrepreneurs.

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She's the author of Hidden Genius,
The secret ways of thinking that power

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the world's most successful people. To
be talking about today. She does today

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from New York City. Paulina,
Welcome to Working on Purpose. Thank you

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so much for having me. I'm
honored to be here. It's wonderful.

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And as we spoke what we got
on air, I absolutely loved your book

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and I read it cover it to
cover, as I'm prone to do,

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and I was just delighted by all
the things that you taught me. So

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we're going to teach just a few
of these things to our listeners and viewers

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today. Shall we do it?
Let's do it? Okay? Well,

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so first I want to just dig
in. I mean your background, you

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know, working with Fortune where you
wrote all those articles. Amazing. I

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can't even imagine what went into all
that, But I'm interested in, of

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course, why did you pursue a
career in media as a journalist, Why

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not you know, accounting, architecture. Yeah, and it's a good question

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because both of my parents I grew
up in Bulgaria. Both my parents were

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chemical engineers, So I just thought
that I would be some sort of engineer

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or chemist or chemical engineer. So
as you can imagine, all my birthday

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gifts as a kid were like a
chemistry set. So I was really kind

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of moved towards that, and I
thought that's what I would do because I

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didn't know anything different. So I
went to a high school with a science

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program, and I took like organic
chemistry and biochemistry as a freshman in high

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school. But I quickly learned that
I was not good at doing the experiment.

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I wasn't good at any of that
stuff. What I was good at

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was the research aspect of it,
in the writing, so the lab reports,

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Like, I love that stuff,
So you know, everybody else would

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do the experiment and I would be
in charge of writing the fifteen page lab

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report, which everybody in my group
loved. But those two ingredients I knew

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I enjoyed, but science was not
the thing. And then I was lucky

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in that in high school there was
a newspaper's class and I joined that,

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and I quickly realized that journalism was
research writing and talking to interesting people.

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And I was incredibly introverted, but
knowing that that was my job as a

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reporter to interview strangers, that really
helped me come out of my shell.

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But it also helped me learn from
the world's most interesting people. So once

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I started in high school, I
became like a news editor of my high

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school paper. Then I went to
the University of Georgia became editor in chief

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of that college paper, and then
I went on to work at CNNA and

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USA Today and then fortune sounds good
to me, Sign me up. Okay,

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Well, here's where it gets really
interesting. This is where your world

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and my world beautifully collides. So
one of the things that you say in

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your book that I just think is
just yummy. You write, prior to

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founding the profile, that you realize
something really important. You say, stories

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trigger emotion, and emotion triggers memory. And then you said, without I

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had stumbled upon something I like to
call people focused learning, the notion that

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people and their stories are at the
center of any learning pursuit. Yes,

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ma'am, I love that. Yeah, and that's That's. Another thing that

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I learned in school was that I
was being taught like a very standard way

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of here are the facts, here's
the historical event, here's what happened,

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memorize it, come back, take
the test, and move on. The

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problem was that when the test came, I just could not remember the dates,

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the names, the places. So
I was like, I need to

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teach myself another way to study this
stuff, otherwise I'll fail. So it

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was I still remember it was the
French Revolution, and that was something that

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I was like, Wow, this
is an incredible time and history full of

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drama. It read like a soap
opera. So I was like, if

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I can take these characters and if
I can turn the people into characters and

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create a story, maybe I can
remember it better because there's emotion now when

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I'm invested. So I started thinking
about Marie Antoinette. Okay, she was

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nineteen years old, this young queen
that people, the regular people hated because

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she became a symbol of excess.
But like the newspapers wrote things that maybe

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weren't true about her. How did
she feel? And it was always like

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how did that person feel? That
allowed me to empathize with them. That

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then triggered my emotion, and that
triggered my memory. When people ask someone,

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hey, do you remember where you
were on September eleventh, people normally

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say yes because there's so much raw
emotion around that event that it sticks in

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your memory. So another thing that
gets interesting too about us then, Polena

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is you talk about, of course, you know, triggering emotion and then

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triggering memory. Actually the Olympic brain
is where that happens, and you probably

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know and that is the same place
that that meaning is registered. Interest connected.

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Yeah, it's connected. So it's
just it's that's what makes it sticky

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as well. So I think all
the more reason that I absolutely love this

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whole approach of you learning, going
to go find somebody that really embodies what

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it is that you want to learn
and their story and looking for their hidden

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genius. I just think that is
just so compelling. So you know,

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your whole bit about that you've taught
us that we can actually learn things to

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strengthen our relationships and prove our decision
making by watching what these people do in

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their own genius way, And which
is what we're going to We're going to

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share some of the some of the
stories and some of the genius you have

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in your book. But that is
such a fresh perspective, right I.

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So the reason that I approach it
like this is because most people when they

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want to learn about something, they
look up that thing and then read the

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Wikipedia page. Right course, that's
right. Yeah, but but there's no

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there's a real story, and it
doesn't really stick into you in your memory.

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What I like to do is I
like to say, Okay, well

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what I like to learn about this
week. Let's say it's making good decisions

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in times of uncertainty. If that's
the thing that I want to learn about,

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who is the best person who can
teach me? And I don't necessarily

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have to know that person personally.
Maybe I can just research them and find

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out how they navigated their life to
get to this to make decisions in times

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of uncertainty. So the person that
I found for that specific thing was Anny

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Duke. She's a poker player.
She has to make decisions in times of

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uncertainty and how does she do that? And the reason that it's so much

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better to learn through a people focused
lens is that facts and historical events don't

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exist in a vacuum of there's only
one way to look at it. If

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you look at how the pandemic of
twenty twenty affected you, me and a

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single mom with five kids, it's
completely different. So it's like, yes,

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the facts are the same, but
the context and the story and the

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emotion is totally different. Yeah,
It was only when I got into college

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and started looking at history from a
different perspective, and I had a fantastic

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professor who told stories about history that
I actually learned it. I never learned

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the events and the dates either,
because they didn't they didn't contextualize. So

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I totally get that. Okay,
So now I want to share some of

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the genius that you have in the
book. And there's just a few.

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There's so many. Of course we
can't talk about them all, but let's

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just talk about there's a chapter on
unleashing creativity, and of course you talk

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about I'm not sure how to say
his name, of Shots, it's actually

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pronounced Akts. But Aktz founded a
restaurant called Alina, which is named the

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best restaurant in the world by a
luxury travel magazine, Elite Traveler in twenty

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eighteen, almost twenty years ago.
And you say it's one part laboratory on,

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one part censorium, and one part
theater, and that a guest to

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serve anywhere from seventeen to nineteen courses, a meal that structures the echoes and

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effective chapters in a book. I
love that. And then you go on

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and this just so got me so
delicious this idea that Alinya's most iconic dishes

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over the years include ready for this
Listeners of yours, a pillow of nutmeg

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air, a black truffle explosion,
and an edible helium filled floating balloon.

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That is so amazing that the human
mind can come up with this right.

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And I really love Grant actcess story
because, as you know if you've read

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the book, he was this genius
chef, his restaurant became number one in

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the world, and then, just
as fate would have it, he got

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he was diagnosed with stage four tongue
cancer and people are like, oh,

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my goodness, you know, how
will the best chef in the world continue

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to be creative if you lost a
sense of taste? And what Grant learned

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in that process was that actually,
a very small portion of your taste comes

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from your taste buds on your tongue, a very large portion comes from your

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eyes so visually, and your nos
and the sense of smell. So he

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would experiment with things like, okay, what if I made a dish where

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the tomatoes or strawberries look like tomatoes, but then you taste them and you

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think you're eating a tomato, but
it's actually a strawberry. What does that

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do to your senses? Your vision's
failing you, things like that. So

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he in the process where he quote
unquote lost his sense of taste, he

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actually became even more creative. And
I found that fascinating. All the little

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things that you mentioned. He sees
it as chapters in a book, because

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he sees the dining experience as a
story to be told and not just you

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know, dishes to be served.
I hope listeners of viewers that you listen

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to this and it opens something in
your mind and your hearts in terms of

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how you might go about creating.
The other thing that you have in your

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book that I think is really interesting
too, relative to creativity, as you

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talk about how if you can just
look at two different things and try to

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see what connects them, that creativity
can be sparked. I think that's really

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really like, Yeah, of course
I can see how that pine cone is

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related to that thing of putting over
there. Of course I can see that,

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right, And I think that is
so enriching and so exciting. Yeah,

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there have been studies that have been
done that a lot of creative people

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actually take two totally disparate and different
items and draw links between them. But

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it's natural for the brain when you
have two different things, for the brain

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to naturally draw connections between them,
even if they're not related at all.

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And maybe this goes back to creating
meaning. Sometimes when something happens to you

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and then you go on to do
something else, maybe there are two totally

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different things, but you're like,
oh, you create the meaning and then

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there's a relationship between those things now. But a lot of like da Vinci

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would take a sponge of paint and
throw it at the wall, and as

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the paint dripped down the wall,
he would look and see different shapes and

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you know, creativity with spark from
that, and it's like, why did

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he do that. It's because it's
totally completely different things that he wouldn't normally

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put together that allowed him to exercise
his creativity muscle. Oh, I'm so

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working on this. I'm so folding
that into my into my practice. Thank

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you. Okay. So, then
one of the other things that you said

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that I thought was pretty fascinating is
you said original creators typically have three characters

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in common. You say, they
have a unique point of view on the

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world. They are confident they can
achieve an ambitious goal, and they are

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willing to fail spectacularly in the name
of creating something revolutionary. M Yeah,

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in that chapter, I really learned
that a lot of people think they're original

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creators, but they're they're really not. And I thought about this as I

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looked at truly original thinkers, people
like Grant Akeets or Elon Musk, or

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people who are trying to revolutionize entire
industries. It's really really hard to be

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original because there's incumbents who will come
for you and say this is nonsense.

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You know, very few people believe, if any, and then you have

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to be crazy enough and courageous enough
to continue to see your vision through even

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in the face of all this.
And so I remember reading Tim urban Is,

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a blogger. He wrote he has
this blog called Wait but Why,

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and he wrote this four part series
on Elon Musk and he said that in

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our society. Here's how he talked
about originality. He said that there's the

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true original creators, who are the
chefs. They create the recipes, they

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invent the methods of putting these ingredients
together. It's completely new, and that's

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the blueprint. Everybody else is a
cook in that kitchen. Who that then

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takes that recipe and maybe they won't
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derivative of that original recipe, So
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modified. So it's like it's worth
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have this crazy idea, is it
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and I certainly the other thing that
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sharing that is, if you're going
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You have got to fuel this energy
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really admire that absolutely, And that's
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you've been doing the show for nine
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book as well. Thank you for
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it is a labor of love,
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The Secret Ways of Thinking that power
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is delightful in every way. Okay, so this next one, we're going

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to talk about pain, and pain
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out loud and directly. I'm not
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pain, none of us are.
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I love your chapter on focusing on
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a person named Goggins who's an expert
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that pain is a gatekeeper that holds
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Pain, he says, unlocks a
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that leads to both peak performance and
beautiful silence. Masters of suffering don't see

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pain as discomfort or torture that happens
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living being that lets their mind in
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next level. That's astounding. He's
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For those of you who don't know
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overweight. He was working kind of
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see any purpose or meaning in his
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he sat on the couch and was
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shake, watching TV. When he
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challenges that they have to undergo.
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saw this program and he said,
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the accountability mirror. So he's like, if you're just starting out, you

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have to look at yourself in the
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he saw himself, he said to
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you're lazy, and you lie all
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harsh, but he's like, you
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change them, because the next question
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to do about it? And he
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saying, you know, I'm going
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validation, or I'm going to go
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will clean my house even when I
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forced him to create small new habits
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to be. There's just so much
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one of the other things that I
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is that you really situated this.
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this is not a book to idolize
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to learn from them. And I
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something for us all to learn that. I also really appreciate this notion that

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and you do it also with criticism
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its own being that's well, not
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and I think that's really really fascinating, and there's a lot of access

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to that too. I think for
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being here like Goggins does, fascinating. Yeah, it's if You'll notice a

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lot of ultra athletes personify pain.
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Goggins for him, he personifies pain
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I enter this dark room and it's
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come out on the other side and
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He sees pain as this place.
Courtney Dalwalter, she's one of the most

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successful endurance athletes in the world.
She personifies pain and that she sees it

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again as a place. She sees
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sees a pain cave. She's like, I am equally is in control of

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like when I enter and when I
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time. So as she's running over
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I know I'm approaching it. I
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She's had bleeding head injuries, vomiting
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that, and she's like, I
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should stop. I see it as
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expect it to happen. And then
she comes out on the other side again,

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you know, having been through this
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just athletes. It's people who all
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in the pain cave against our will
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his name is Anthony Ray Hinton,
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years. He spent time on death
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solitary confinement for a period of time, but he remained his sanity and when

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people ask him how, he said
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I knew that that cell, you
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tea with the queen and things like
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thing as a place that's temporary and
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like these these places, these pain
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your dark bathroom that Goggins refers to
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go in as one type of person
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as somebody totally different. That is
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to celebrate in that is two things. One the power of the human mind

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the power of the human spirit.
I think that is. If that doesn't

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just excite you, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what's going to do

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it for you. All right,
well, now let's talk about this notion

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of being able to unlock some healthy
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your story of talking about Chris Voss, who is the FBI's lead national kidnapping

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negotiator, the twenty four year career
mastering the art of listening, and he

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used several strategies when talking with bank
robbers and kidnappers that I thought were really

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interesting, And there were three of
them in particular, if maybe you can

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just touch on they were listening,
mirroring, and labeling. Even just the

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way he used his voice and lowered
his voice was really fascinating. Yes,

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I really love this because when I
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a book and one of the chapters
was on relationships, and I was like,

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and then I'm talking about this guy
who's a hostage negotiator, and they're

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like, what kind of book is
this? So, but it's truly amazing

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that you can learn so much about
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are extreme situations where you have to
develop rapport quickly and you have to get

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the other party to trust you,
and you have to build a relationship in

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a very short amount of time.
So he Chris Voss, there was in

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the book I talk about this bank
robbery excit sample. But he has three

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techniques like you mentioned. In one
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the late night FM DJ voice.
I love that he says, you basically

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have to sound like you're on a
radio show and make your voice very even

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and downward inflecting and calm, calming
to the listener, not how I'm talking

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right now, which is up and
down, up and down. So and

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that kind of voice is applicable in
every situation because basically, the calmer you

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sound, when it hits the other
person's mirror neurons in their head, they

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tend to get calmer as well,
and they tend to match your energy.

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So that's that's that voice. Then
he talks about listening. You have to

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actually listen to what the person is
telling you, not plan on what you're

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gonna say before they finish talking.
And then mirroring. Mirroring is a rapport

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building technique to basically get more information
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So, for example, if you're
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I'm really stressed out, instead of
being like, well, you're always stressed

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out and blah blah, well what
you can say instead is, oh,

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you're really stressed out. You're basically
taking the end of their what they just

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said and turning it into a question. And that shows a that you're listening

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and b that you're curious enough to
gather more information. So he used this

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in the bank robbery negotiation. He
kept just whatever the person said, he

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kept turning it into a question.
They would offer more information. It's just

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human nature to do that. Then
there's labeling in the example Chris Voss tells

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the second bank robber, He's like, Oh, it seems like you got

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roped into this, or it feels
like you're you're being wronged. This labeling

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is a technique used to give uh
basically voice to the other person's feelings,

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and again it's a rapport building technique. It usually starts with something like it

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seems like it looks like it feels
like you're making a statement, and letting

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the other person either correct you or
agree with you, and again, that

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helps strengthen relationship so much because again, you're trying to understand it, you're

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not inserting yourself and your own opinions
into it. I think it's incredibly powerful

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and certainly what I know from the
work that I do Paulina is helping leaders

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to really learn how to really listen
and go looking for what's special and unique

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about someone. It's amazing to me
how people literally melt when you really listen

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to them, because it's so unusual. It's so unusual. Yeah, it

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just a really quick note when I
included this in the book, But it's

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a very small aside that's changed the
way I look at things. When I

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was in college, in my journalism
one on one class, we were supposed

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to write a profile on another student, and I chose somebody, and I

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wasn't really listening to what they were
saying and I was just asking my questions

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and he wasn't really offering anything up. So when I went back to my

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professor and I said, hey,
I need to switch my partner because I

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have chosen the most boring person alive. My professor said, Okay, I

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see what's going on here. Nobody's
inherently boring. They're only boring because it

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means you haven't asked the right questions
yet. So what he was telling me

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is, like you, it's not
the other person's job to entertain you.

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It's your job to come up with
questions that are more probing, follow up

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and actually listen to what they're saying
instead of have your list of questions.

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They don't. They didn't give me
anything good, so I'm just gonna move

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on. I definitely I love talking
with people and asking questions. I everywhere

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I go, I love doing that, So I really relate to that.

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So speaking of talk any people and
asking good questions. Now I want to

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get to your notion of your chapter
on telling better stories, and of course

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you feature al Pacino, who is
a wonderful favorite actor of mine. I

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loved him in sent of a Woman. Oh about underrated movie. I think

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it's it is. It's genius in
every way. Everything about that movie,

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the story, the actors who created
it are genius. It's one of my

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favorite movies. And nobody has ever
seen that al Pacino movie. So I

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have times, Well what I loved
about what you shared in your book about

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him. I think I have trem
midsusrespect for him. But you talk about

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you say his performances are believable because
he seems so natural playing the role.

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You say, that's because he doesn't
pretend. He becomes the actor, finds

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a sliver of himself in the character
he's about to embody, and steps into

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their inner world. When inhabiting a
character, Pacino says, he looks for

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the thing that moves him on an
emotional level. Like you've been talking about,

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it's not just that he knows what
his character's saying, nor even why

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his character is saying it, but
how he feels when saying it. Wow,

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that's intense. Yeah, al Patino
is just I got chills when you

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were reading that because he's he's a
master at his craft, because he's one

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of I think few actors that understands
that, you know, acting, you

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have to become, you have to
create this alter ego of this person,

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and al Patino understands very well that
every character is kind of complicated. In

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every role, he brings kind of
a part of himself that maybe wasn't in

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the script, but he made it
up because he was like, nobody is

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inherently just good, and nobody's inherently
just bad. So all his characters are

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kind of complicated and sentible. Woman. I mean, he's he's a he's

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a protagonist, but he's also very
kind of complicated, and he's let this

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life of regrets. So so when
he when he acts, he actually became.

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And I took this technique into my
own world when I was studying these

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people for my newsletter, The Profile, I would choose one person a week

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and I would just study everything.
I would watch videos of them being interviewed.

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I would listen to podcasts. I
would make notes of things that they

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repeated on multiple podcasts. I'm like, huh, that must be important to

429
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them, or I would. You
would be amazed at how much you can

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learn just by watching someone. And
the more interviews that I saw, I'd

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be like, Okay, look do
they use their hands to communicate a lot?

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Do they lean in? Do they
lean out very what are they trying

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to omit and what are they trying
to emphasize? And I would make it

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a challenge for myself. For example, when I was studying David Goggins,

435
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I was like, what would it
be like if I saw the world this

436
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week through his eyes? So I
would quote unquote become by being like,

437
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all right, well it's raining outside. But I told myself I'd run three

438
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miles. David Goggins would go run
three miles in the rain, So I

439
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would do that. And it's just
like when you become you try on different

440
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identities and you're like, ooh,
I like this. I do not like

441
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that. And like you mentioned,
I said that this book is not about

442
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idolizing imperfect people. It's more about
learning from them. Because al Pacino master,

443
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absolute master of his craft. He
has pretty awful personal relationships. So

444
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it's like you can't there's trade offs
to every level of success, and success

445
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.400
doesn't exist in a vacuum, so
you have to be very mindful that you

446
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are selecting and choosing certain things to
learn from these people, not idolizing them.

447
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One For one, I really like
the idea of stepping into somebody's world

448
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like that. I'm gonna I'm gonna
do that. Thank you, Paulina.

449
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Yeah, all right, let's love. Let's grab our last break. I'm

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your host, doctor release Cortez.
We've been on the air with Paulina Marinova

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Pomplano. She's the founder of The
Profile, a new media company that features

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long form profiles of successful people and
companies each week. She's the author of

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Hidden Genius, The secret ways of
thinking that power the world's most successful people.

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We'll be right back. Doctor Elise
Cortes is a management consultant specializing in

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meaning and purpose. An inspirational speaker
and author, she helps companies visioneer for

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greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose
inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate

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fulfillment, performance, and commitment within
the workforce. To learn more or to

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invite a lease to speak to your
organization, please visit her at Elisecortes dot

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com. Let's talk about how to
get your employees working on purpose. This

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is working on purpose with doctor Elise
Cortes. To reach our program today or

461
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to open a conversation with Elise,
send an email to a lease Ali se

462
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at at least Coortes dot com now
back to working on Purpose. Thanks for

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stating with us, and welcome back
to working on Purpose. I'm your host,

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doctor eur Lee's Cortes. As I
mentioned in the last break, that

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latest book that I brought out in
March of twenty twenty three, called The

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Great Vitalization. What I did for
you to help you along in that journey

467
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is I gave you a three page
assessment, organizational best practices assessment to see

468
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to what extent is your organization actually
meeting the needs of today's workforce. So

469
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you can find it at Gustodashnow dot
com or at least Coortes dot com if

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you are just joining me today.
My guest is Paulina Marinova Pompliano. She's

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the author of Hidden Genius, The
Secret Ways of Thinking that power the world's

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00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.480
most successful people. So this next
one I thought was really really fascinating.

473
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There were so many things in here
that just really tickled me and thought,

474
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there's so much you could do with
this if you even just if I just

475
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were to employ three or four the
things that you have in your book,

476
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I believe my life would be change. That's how valuable I think your book

477
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:08.599
is. So what I loved.
Was this notion of you talk about the

478
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legendary investor Charlie Munger, and he
has iron prescription, as you say,

479
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to make sure he doesn't become a
slave to his beliefs, he says.

480
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.400
You quote him is saying, I'm
not entitled to have an opinion on this

481
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:25.440
subject unless I can state the arguments
against my position better than the people who

482
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are supporting it, he says,
And then he goes on to say,

483
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I think only when I reach that
stage am I qualified to speak. Wow,

484
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:40.320
that is incredibly talk about discipline and
thorough if I can actually state my

485
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.880
opposer's views better than they can before
I speak. What I said in my

486
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notes is how that would radically change
politics in our country, oh Man,

487
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.719
among other things. Yeah, well, Charlie. Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett

488
00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:00.639
are known to say when somebody asked
them a question about something they don't know

489
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.960
that well, they're known to say, you know, this is outside of

490
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.440
my circle of competence. I cannot
argue the other side better than the other

491
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.719
person yet, so I don't have
an opinion. I think. I think

492
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that's so rare in our society now, mainly because I as you'll know if

493
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.480
you read the book. I'm like
really obsessed with cults. And the reason

494
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.480
I'm obsessed with colts, I'm like
people always say, oh, never,

495
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.360
I would never join a cult,
and then you read these stories and you're

496
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like, this is a successful person
who leads, you know, a huge

497
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.599
company. How do they get roped
into this? And it's very much because

498
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it's you know, the world starts
being presented to them as black and white,

499
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zero context, zero nuance, and
then you start seeing things as oh,

500
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of course, this is the only
way. But if you employ this

501
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:54.039
iron prescription of there's always another side, there's always another layer. What can

502
00:37:54.079 --> 00:38:00.960
I learn and how can I argue
that better than my own position? Maybe

503
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.920
I'll learn something, Maybe I'll change
my mind. I think the biggest travesty

504
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.239
of our society today is that people
just are unwilling to change their mind as

505
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:14.559
new information comes in. That clinging
to surety is one of the things that

506
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.039
I also work on my programs with
people is to help them just remove the

507
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:21.440
surety. How do you know right? How do you what? What?

508
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.079
What's the evidence that shows you that
to be so? And so it's part

509
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.639
of it is just slowly you know, decoupling from that surety which is so

510
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.320
comforting. Yes, that's and it's
so hard. That's a really good example

511
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:36.519
of how to invite uncertainty in your
life because most people are so sure because

512
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they're scared of uncertainty. But what
if uncertainty can actually help you become more

513
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.559
well rounded? So true, And
again I just thought there was so much

514
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.159
to that. Okay, so this
is interesting. This next thing I want

515
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.199
to talk about here, I'm going
to be on a panel talking about the

516
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.559
severity of loneliness here on Valentine's Day. So what I wanted to get to,

517
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.840
Yeah, on Valentine's Day, perfect
right, it's but you know that

518
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.199
whole the loneliness thing, as you
know, is is an epidemic and it's

519
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.360
it's deadly. So I really liked
what you wrote about in your book around

520
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:13.320
building an engaged community and you talk
about how and this is where this really

521
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.559
starts to get into my world beautifully
is you talk about how our culture sense

522
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:22.599
contradictory messages because it doesn't know the
difference between solitude and loneliness. You say,

523
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:27.880
solitude helps us regulate emotions, while
loneliness dulls them. That's really interesting.

524
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:29.960
So I want if you could speak
a little bit to that, and

525
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.079
then I want to have you well
speak about what Steve Cole from UCLA is

526
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.400
putting forth as well in your book. Yeah, so solitude. The difference

527
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:45.840
between solitude and loneliness is almost about
the perception you have between about the closeness

528
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.679
of your ties. So you know
how you've heard the phrase lonely in a

529
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.840
room full of people. The reason
that can happen is because we have so

530
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.280
many, so many ties. But
if our perception of those relationships are that

531
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.639
they're weak and those people aren't really
our friends, you can find yourself really,

532
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:12.480
really lonely. Whereas if solitude is
where you enjoy spending time alone,

533
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.119
even if you only have two relationships, but they're really really strong and you

534
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:21.800
perceive them to be that way,
you don't feel lonely. And I thought

535
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.719
it was really interesting. I read
this profile of Elon Musk, and you

536
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:30.920
know, he's the richest man on
earth, he's very successful, and then

537
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.000
the reporter is like, okay,
well what about your relationships, And as

538
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.679
you know, his relationships are all
over the place, and he's like,

539
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.440
I always I always have to have
somebody next to me sleeping next to me.

540
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:44.280
I cannot be alone. It kills
me. And he's like, what

541
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:49.360
do you mean. You're surrounded by
people all the time. And the reporter

542
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:54.199
makes a note that if you're going
to be lonely at the top, if

543
00:40:54.239 --> 00:41:00.559
you were lonely at the bottom,
success and money and wealth and material possessions

544
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:07.000
don't change your perception of your relationships
with people. I think this is really

545
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:08.840
really important, hugely important to talk
about. I know, for me,

546
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:13.920
I savor my solitude. I love
my piece, I love my that's where

547
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.039
I write and create and consider and
ponder, et cetera. So and I

548
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:21.360
really like I like my own company, especially when I talk back, when

549
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:25.880
I ask questions. Right, yeah, exactly now, it's it's it's you

550
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.719
know, the difference, you know
if you're lonely and you know if you're

551
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.800
in solitude, absolutely and I've certainly
felt both over the years. Absolutely.

552
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.320
Well. There then this wonderful sort
of antidote that you have here that I

553
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:43.920
of course completely align with you talk
about Steve Cole, the UCLA professor whose

554
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.480
research suggests that one of the most
effective ways to break the cycle of chronic

555
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:51.679
loneliness is to pursue a goal or
a sense of purpose larger than yourself,

556
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:55.280
ideally one that requires you to interact
and cooperate with other people. Yeah,

557
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.199
it's all about I mean, it's
all about purpose and meaning. Right.

558
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:05.320
There's a story I tell in the
book of this guy who was a successful

559
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.599
baseball player and then and then he
went to jail for a number of reasons.

560
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But it was actually when he was
imprisoned that he found his purpose.

561
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.000
And he was like, oh my
gosh, you know I can work with

562
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.079
these other people. I can help
them read and learn and and all this

563
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:28.079
stuff. And it's like, how
can you find your purpose in prison?

564
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:34.239
That's how, because suddenly he has
meaning, and that meaning can absolutely transform

565
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.880
your life because you feel like you're
working towards a greater good and it's not

566
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:43.760
just about yourself, right, which
is exactly of course, the definition of

567
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.119
purpose. Purpose is always about serving
other people. And then if we layer

568
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:52.440
in like a logo therapeutic term,
self transcendence, which is always about serving

569
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.000
other people too, and that the
second that you're serving other people, you're

570
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.159
not focused on yourself anymore, and
you start to feel like you matter.

571
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.920
That's why it works that you feel
like you're making a difference your person,

572
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:09.199
your contribution makes makes a difference.
Yes, And that's why you know,

573
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.920
during this pandemic when a lot of
people spent time alone and they're like,

574
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.039
I have what am I working on? And it's that like, you have

575
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:23.239
to be very intentional about finding things
like this to do, because it's not

576
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:27.159
just going to fall into your lap. You have to go out there and

577
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:32.920
seek something out where you can make
the world somewhat better in some unique way.

578
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.159
You're reminding me. I had occasion
to pick up and meet meet and

579
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:43.800
pick up a new friend named doctor
Neha Sanguan and she and I'm I at

580
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.960
the early part of the pandemic,
and we decided to do something to try

581
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.559
to help people. So we created
this online community cafe. We had people

582
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.199
from all over the globe literally signing
in. It was free, and we

583
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:58.280
were helping people to deal with that
all the unknowns of the pandemic. And

584
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.880
it was our way of trying to
do something to be of service because frankly,

585
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.480
we needed it for ourselves to be
of service. And we met amazing

586
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.599
people around the world that are still
connected to us. That's amazing. That's

587
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.599
exactly what it is. Yeah,
it was great. So I highly recommend

588
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.000
this. Who do you want to
help and what do you want to help

589
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:17.559
them with? Go find them and
your life becomes instantaneously better. Okay,

590
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.400
we're getting close to on it,
and I got a couple more things I

591
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.480
still want to get out of you. I love this whole idea of optimizing

592
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:29.440
your content diet. I tried to
be very, very mindful and intentional about

593
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.840
everything. Where what am I reading, who am I hanging out with,

594
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:36.039
what do I listen to when I'm
getting ready in the morning, all those

595
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.079
kind of things. So if you
could speak a little bit to this content

596
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:44.280
diet optimization, yes, So I
first became aware that we have a content

597
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:49.760
diet when I was had recently just
moved to New York. I was working,

598
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:54.199
but I was more in the stage
of I love reality television and watch

599
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:59.400
The Bachelor or The Bachelorette, like
all the trashy TV shows I was consuming.

600
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.559
And then I started to notice how
my thought patterns started changing, and

601
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.039
I started seeing the world through this
lens of relationships, and I was like,

602
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.039
why is this happening? I would
you know? I would my friend

603
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.360
would say something and I'd be like, ooh, is she mad at me?

604
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.760
Is this? And I would double
guess everything because I was seeing the

605
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:22.679
world through this like warped carnival mirror
thing of relationships, and it was because

606
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:27.679
I was consuming all this junk content. So I was like, what if

607
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.800
I just improve the types of content
that I'm putting into my brain. It's

608
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.360
almost like I heard this once where
they said that you're born with your hardware,

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which is your brain, but then
all the software is all the content

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that you're putting into it constantly,
which is why some people, if they

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have outdated software, seem like they're
operating on iOS seven while everybody else is

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on iOS fourteen or whatever it is. It's because they stopped putting quality information

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into their brain. They're just like
stuck in their old ways with their old

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way of thinking. And and it's
again this like growth mindset type thing.

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But the content diet, I'm like, Okay, if you're seeing the world

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through a lens of like negativity,
or you feel like it's just gloomy all

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the time, make it a point
to go through your day and just audit

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what you're listening to, what you're
watching. You know, what you're browsing

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on the internet, how you're spending
your time, and who you're spending your

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time with, because all of those
information sources help shape and inform your outlook

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on the world, and you can
dramatically improve that by starting to read difficult

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things, starting to read things that
you don't necessarily agree with, and that

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that challenge is something that a lot
of us are missing. Mm hmm.

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Well that's why you know, after
nine years, I still hosts in the

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show because I read the book cover
to cover each week. It challenges my

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thinking, it stretches my mind,
and I think it keeps me on going

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to go with that. Okay,
we're almost to the closer, and I

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definitely want to I want you to
speak to this that really really touches my

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heart about describing our own hidden genius. You say, all successful people bet

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on themselves, and there is no
better time to start doing that. Create

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something that lets you tie your identity
to something that actually matters your own name.

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Nothing is more liberating or more powerful. I can completely relate to that.

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That's what I have tried to do
in my practice. Yeah, And

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isn't that It's so hard because once
you work somewhere you start tying your identity

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to external things that you could lose, and you do this without thinking about

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it. You tie your identity to
a job, to a job title,

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you know, to a relationship,
status, to material wealth. Those are

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all things that you could lose.
Well, you cannot lose is your own

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name, and that name carries a
reputation, so you're very careful with it.

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So when I left my full time
job at Fortune to start the Profile,

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which is a newsletter that I was
doing on the side, I decided

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to bet on myself because I knew
that I had the skills to make it

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successful. And it's like, ask
yourself, you know, what can I

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do today? In what area of
my life can I truly take a risk

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and bet on myself? Mm hmm
here here, Oh Paulina. I'm so

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very happy to know you, to
have read your book, to be to

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be elevated by your thinking your research. I thank you so much for coming

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on to working a purpose and sharing
your views with the rest of the world.

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Anything you want to leave our listeners
with, that's it. I think

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I'll say. I'll say one thing. Uh, Beyonce once said, you

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know, I don't like to gamble, but if there's one thing I'm willing

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to bet on, it's myself.
That's That's a fantastic way to close Polina.

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Listeners and viewers. If you want
to learn more about Paulina Maronova,

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Pampliano, the work that she is
doing at the Profile, or her new

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book, Hidden Genius, there's a
couple of places you can go. You

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can go to read Theprofile dot com
or Hidden geniusbook dot com. We will

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see you next next week when we
curl up over the mic with yet another

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author talking about their book to enrich
and enliven our lives. See you there,

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and remember that work is one of
the best adventures and means of realizing

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our potential and making the impact we
crave. So let's work on Purpose.

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We hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure to tune into Working on

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Purpose featuring your host, doctor Elise
Cortes, each week on W four C.

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Why Together, We'll create a world
where business operates conscientiously, Leadership inspires

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and passion performance and employees are fulfilled
in work that provides the meaning and purpose

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they crave. See you there,
Let's work on Purpose.