The Path to Wellness by Navigating Gut-Wrenching Experiences

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doctor Release Cortez. Welcome back to
the Working and Purpose Program. Great to

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have you back. I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez. I've been hosting

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the show since February of twenty fifteen, and it is a special privilege for

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about us and how we can work
together at Elise Cortez dot com. Now

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getting in today's program with us today
is doctor Karen Kramer. She's a neuro

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linguistic program master, coach, divorce
in relationship breakthrough coach, speaker, author,

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and leadership development facilitator. She's the
owner and the founder of the Villivision

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Wellness and Retreat Center. A SPA
inspired therapeutic wellness center to help ground women

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from the inside out, and she's
currently working on her forthcoming book, due

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out in the fall of twenty twenty
three, called Healthy Healthy Grief, Normalizing

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and Navigating Loss in a culture of
toxic positivity. She knows today from San

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Diego, California, Doctor Karen Welcome
to Working on Purpose. Thank you,

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Elise. It's such a pleasure of
being here, it really is. I'm

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so happy to have you with me
in my studio talking about you and your

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work, and I want to first
celebrate just how we've recently come back together

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again. So you were good enough
when I reached out on LinkedIn telling you

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about my Purpose and Joy tour that
I was coming to San Diego in May

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of twenty twenty three, and you
merely reached out and said, hey,

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let's talk about that, and here
it is. That was almost twenty years

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after we'd sort of went our separate
ways because we did our PhDs at Fielding

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Graduate University in Santa Barbara, but
really haven't spoken in between all those years.

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So I just want to start our
conversation and get very present to you.

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You are someone who really leans into
the full experience of life and what

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you do and just have an open
heart. And I really appreciate that about

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you. You're so welcome, Alie. So it was such a pleasure,

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I know, when we had that
conversation, realizing where even after two decades

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pasts have gone in different ways,
from children, marriages, divorce, etc.

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Just just coming around and really on
the topic that both you and I

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now are focusing on around grief and
the roles that that plays not only in

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our lives but the lives of the
people that we touch. Yeah, I

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knew that was one of the things
that you and I were connecting on.

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It's one of the It just happens
to be one of the things that I

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touched onto one of my books.
And I don't have near the experience that

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you do, but we do come
about it in a very similar way,

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which we're going to get to you
a little bit later here, But first

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I just want to also acknowledge that
you have really quite an interesting specialty in

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this whole area of grief recovery and
and I really respect that you have an

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understanding of the human mind and this
specialty, and that's quite a very interesting

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way to delineate your expertise. For
me, it's meaning and purpose. So

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one of the things that I got
from doctor sare and Kaplan, who came

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on my show a few months ago, is he talks about this idea of

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leveraging our experiential intelligence, and he
has a whole book on that's just really

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really fascinating. And the more I
really spent some time with you in that

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week plus that I was with you, I really got to see how you're

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being in the world and you're folding
in all of these experiences that you've had

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to really optimally serve your clients from. And I want to if you can

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just speak a little bit to that. It might be hard because this is

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the water you swim in. I
saw it from the outside, but you

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lived this every day. So true, so true. And I'll start when

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you talk about living from the outside. I think if I look back on

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my educational journey as well as experience
career journey, I will start by saying

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that I've been fascinated with looking at
people within systems, and then in the

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last five years it's been even more
about the systems within people themselves, like

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what makes us tick. So just
that whole dynamic has been fascinated and I've

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having worked in the field of leadership
development and coaching for the last thirty years,

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you're right at last, from the
education that we had looking at organizational

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development and an opportunity of looking at
people from that perspective. Working with the

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Center for Creative Leadership for thirty years, I've had an opportunity to see people

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in various different systems, from teenagers
all the way up to retirees and everybody

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in between. And what I've found
is there's a difference between what I call

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conscious coaching and unconscious or subconscious coaching. The idea that if we have somebody

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who is working towards a goal you
know, likes, let's just take the

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traditional personal trainer at the gym,
just because it's a typical example, right,

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I want to work out and I
want to build muscle and see the

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numbers on my scale, change whatever
it is, and we can set out

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the perfect plan. And as a
coach, an executive coach, and a

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life coach, that was my field, where do you want to go?

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What is the matrix, what's going
to get you there? And told you

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accountable. And what I found is
that there were two different types of clients

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I had who are moving towards success. Either they've moved towards success and they

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would get it but not sustain it, or they would have all the motivation

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in the world to go towards it, but they were finding that they were

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stumbling to actually achieve what they wanted. And the body of work that I'm

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in now, neural linguistics programming,
allows me to unpack what I call the

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unconscious or subconscious mind that's sitting in
the backseat, those beliefs that we have

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about ourselves and the world that will
sabotage any well laid out plan if it's

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not congruent with our beliefs to begin
with. And that's the field that I

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love to play in. Oh my
gosh, I was so incredibly succinct and

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alluring, Karen, Oh my gosh. Okay, I got to go back

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to two things. One, I
think it's I'm really riveted on the notion

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that you are situating that you've got
systems information and grounding it fielding I have.

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I did too, and I didn't
think about it coming from fielding,

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but it probably did. So.
I love being a systems thinker and really

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understanding how parts play together and influence
and impact each other. I'm very interested

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in that interdependency across all of life. So that's really interesting. Why is

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systems so gravitating for you? Why? Good question? I think I've always

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been fascinated with just how things developed. Like if what's coming to mind for

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me is thinking about my son who
when he was like two years old,

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watching him look at legos and figure
out this piece, if it goes with

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this piece, can I make that? And in my mind it wasn't lego

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pieces, it was people. Well, if this person is having a bad

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day and they say or do that, what impact is it going to happen

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that person? Or if this person
is having a good day wants to share

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an exciting thing or wants to share
a grief about something that's happening, how

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does that impact this person? Just
understanding the dynamics. And my dissertation was

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on emotional intelligence and leadership. As
I'm saying that where emotional intelligence in and

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of itself is the understanding of the
thoughts and emotions and how they transpire.

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Yummy is the right word for that. Okay, all right, So the

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next thing, I want to just
share what you're really quick. I think

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it's really interesting sometimes. Ago,
I don't know why I did this,

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but it struck me to do a
search on LinkedIn to see who all was

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doing work in the purpose space like
me, and what I discovered, to

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my amazement, was about roughly forty
five to fifty percent of those people that

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I identified in LinkedIn went to school
at Fielding. I thought that was really

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really interesting. And so again I
don't know, you know where if that

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was just part of the water that
we drank that we didn't know we were

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drinking. But you know, this
notion of doing purposeful work that really is

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an expression of who we want to
be in the world is something I know

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that I can relate to with you
and you identifying me, and who knows

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how much Fielding contributed to that,
but I do want to celebrate that.

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Yes, definitely, definitely this is
not just getting an education to check the

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box to say I've done it.
It's not really making a difference in the

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world. Like you, I honor
you went a had and really took your

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doctoral work and took it forward.
For me, I put it on the

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now. Granted, I also was, like you, we were pregnant during

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our dissertation time. So this was
like I put it aside, but I

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realized even though I put the work
aside, it was still living and breathing

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inside of me. And I carried
that with me with each client I worked

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with, with each leadership program I
did, whether it's in the United States

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or not, it was it was
living and breathing inside of me with every

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work that I did. Agreed,
Agreed, it was, And I would

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say in many ways for both of
us, it was percolating. Yes,

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right, it was working on us, and we just didn't quite understand the

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full extent, but it was.
It was doing its thing on us.

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It was so. And then to
that end, one of the other things

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back on this whole experiential intelligence thing
that I really found so compelling, Karen,

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was you know, being with you
and your villivision on your property,

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your retreat center and you when you
gave that tour, and I really got

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to better understand just the familial history
connected to this property and how your mother

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contributed to your sense of person,
your father, other parts of your family,

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and so I just really got connected
to how much you are an expression

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of the fullness of your family as
well. Yes, yes, I realized

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that with um. And to give
a little background for the listeners here,

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it's my grandparents, maternal grandparents settled
on the land here back in the nineteen

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forties, and they carried that on. My grandfather had this vision that he

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wanted the land to sustain not only
our family, but to give back in

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so many ways. And he was
a lawyer, so that was part of

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his and he was district attorney.
He was actually standing a California senator district

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attorney unto Roosevelt. This was back
in the thirties, so that's kind of

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his background. Is like giving to
the larger or community, the state,

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the the United States, but also
giving to us as a family. Was

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turning that around and saying, how
can what kind of legacy can we build

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for the family here. So then
my mom carried that on. So it

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was I was raised on well water, fresh vegetables and fruit from the gardens,

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fresh chicket eggs, milk from the
goats, and so that's where I

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was raised and my mother as actually
when I looked back in it, so

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my mom, as you know,
passed away a year and a half ago

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at ninety seven years young, and
she was ready to go and lived a

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wonderful, wonderful life herself. My
father too passed away eleven years ago yesterday

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actually, so they both lived into
their nineties and really were giving back in

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so many ways. And as I
think about my mom, my mom was

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an entrepreneur, which back in the
forties, which was unusual for women around

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that time. She started her own
business, which was a pottery and ceramic

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studio next or my parents built that
back in nineteen fifty two. So that's

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part of that tour, is it
creating a space from my mom's creativity in

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so many different ways. And that
was one of the first satellite facilities for

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a local adult school in the area, so it empowered many adults coming in.

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And yes it was through arts and
through the years it was children as

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well. But I watched my mom
not only was she an entrepreneur, she

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also was somebody who balanced between the
work, her family and her love for

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the arts, through pottery, through
gardening, through giving back. She was

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a top model. My parents were
founding members of Starlight Opera, which was

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here locally in San Diego. I
mean, they did multiple different things,

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but it's one of those things where
it's always what positive impact can we have

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in the community by the work that
we're doing, and that then carries down

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to me. I feel like the
legacy that I'm building with the Villivision wellness

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and retreats and are especially on this
land which is so rich energetically rich and

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in the soil, rich, in
the building's rich in history, that it

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is just such fertile grounds for continuing
forward with the Villivision, which I feel

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is like a legacy that's being passed
down from generation to generation. And I've

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already talked to my son about him
carrying on his version of this legacy even

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after my passing, which will happen. Yeah. Wow, that's so powerful.

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I mean, I'm just really present
to just the generations of experience and

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heart and soul and service and all
of what you just rendered there. It's

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really beautiful. And I got that
one. You gave me the two or

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two by the way, So thank
you, thank you, thank you.

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Yeah. So, let's know,
I want to delve in just a little

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bit more to your actual focus and
expertise, and so I know that one

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of your true passions is really in
helping individuals navigate what you call heart wrenching

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experiences. Now These are not just
your standard variety. These are the heart

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wrenching kind things like divorce and loss
of a loved one, traumatic events,

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a loss of identity. So these
are really needy matters. And I'm interested

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in how you got interested in those
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me talk about an event that happened
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this was back in in August of
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days will be imprinted in my memory
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going to backtrack what happened to this, but I'm just going to talk about

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what happened first. I have one
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yelling at my kids. I was
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which you know me elis, but
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norm. That is far from my
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yeah, way out a character for
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I am going to go to a
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about therapist, this is my experience, so I'm sharing that emphasizing this is

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my experience. I went to a
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including the month that led up to
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that in just a bit. And
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situational anxiety, and she had a
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me. She got to check a
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that I have situational anxiety. And
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anxiety group work, which, again
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it really didn't help because I was
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again nothing was really helping me on
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happy that she labeled me. And
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menopause. So I went to my
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seriously, within the first two minutes
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day, my doctor said that I
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my arm like then and there,
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who barely takes ivyprofen I'm like vitamins, but that's it. And I said

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no, no, So I walked
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you know that fancy datings need dating
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go to, Like you get away
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you exercise, you get massages and
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you want to just go there?
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and it was perfect. Within two
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with my husband again, and I
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is just dealing with the symptoms and
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the myth of normal and body keeps
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culture is more about and this is
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and numb out the symptoms. Like
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in my situation, but men as
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or a doctor and it's easy to
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this medication, and it just numbs
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Oh my gosh, that was so
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that while we grab our first break. I'm your host, doctor Elise Quartez.

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We went on on air with doctor
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program master coach. She's a divorcing
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information, where her expertise came from
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we're going to start the rest of
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work in linguistic programming. Stay with
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in meaning and purpose an inspirational speaker and

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author. She helps companies visioneer for
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inspired leadership and meaning infuse cultures that
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welcome back to working on Purpose.
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what we began this conversation with an is

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the Purpose Enjoy Tour that I started
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that teaches mindful practices to build a
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of course, my firm at Least
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income, culture and leadership to increase
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to elevate their lives and businesses by
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can see the cities. Our next
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and nineteenth. Hope you can join
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program. My guest is doctor Karen
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the Villivision Wellness and Retreat Center,
a sponsepired therapeutic wellness center to help ground

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women and from the outside from the
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forthcoming book, which is due out
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working title is Healthy Grief, Normalizing
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positivity. I'm your host, doctor
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here, Karen, as I mentioned, I always like to be able to

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do this program so that people are
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see new possibilities, and you have
something that most of us have many of

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us have heard about NLP, so
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you share with us your expertise.
Where did you learn about neural linguistic programming,

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what is it? And how does
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about this so well, I'm going
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into it. So, being in
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last thirty years, I've been focusing, as I talked earlier about just on

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the conscious mind and in other words, the conscious mind, focusing on the

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here and now. It's the part
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that sees us in the now.
It's the concrete and it allowed me that

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it didn't allow me to go into
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all those things that we're not aware
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experiences, our emotions. It is
what gets us to immediately get up and

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run when we see it bear versus
thinking bear scary could eat me, should

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run. So I it all started
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walked out of my life. So
I've already mentioned that the passing of my

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father which led into this experience eleven
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So when my husband at that time
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Okay, I've already been through.
I'm not going to go to therapy.

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I'm not going to go to seek
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done that, That's not helpful.
What other things are available to me?

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So I did what any good coach
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could d I win myself through my
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right, But the thing is,
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one of those where we're seeing the
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jar. We don't know. It's
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the same level of thinking that created
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So I did that for about a
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I'd never heard of it before.
I'd been around people who had debbled in

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it, but never heard of it
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stands for neuro linguistics programming. So
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linguistics, it's around the words that
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what's settled in the neurology of the
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does that mean? It gives us
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in our mind based upon the words
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this morning, I had an inquiry
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she was isolated in a rural part
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out to help her move to another
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your job. Again, that was
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with. In a quick ten minute
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and by the way, this gets
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that unconscious or subconscious mind, that
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understand what is it then that was
holding her back. I wasn't just going

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to say like, hey, as
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you want to move and what kind
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and let's you inspire that LinkedIn profile
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for those houses. No, I
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associated with doing anything risky that came
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because it was so tumultuous that she
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herself from the world, to which
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because you're protecting yourself from the world
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a role part of Colorado away from
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her that wanted that connection with other
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that is out of fear. It
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an idea about neuro linguistics program and
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was sitting in the neurology of her
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really getting present to what's running us. You know, all those programs in

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the background that you weren't just not
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our consciousness, we can do something
about them. Really really interesting. Okay,

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your dissertation you focused on emotional intelligence
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off and spent years at the Center
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executives. So I'm interested in what
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research and those years at the Center
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much a lease that I learned.
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than to think about what questions best
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me standing up there and saying,
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step one, two, three,
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a better boss, a better leader, this and that. And honestly,

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there were because there were standard programs
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were some formats that did half step
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and five. But it was more
about how did those individuals work through step

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one, two, three, four
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What did they enjoy? What did
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that question, I think back to
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I'm trying to remember down it's a
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an executive who had gotten some feedback
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the court that he was a very
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direct manager, and he was struggling
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manager type. Again I'm using general
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one on one, I found out
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years old. And when I asked
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up his whole face, and so
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with him, what he loved to
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enjoyed doing was reading them stories when
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of eight, which they were at
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them stories or engaging in stories within
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how he was described in the executive
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I had with him was how to
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in his home environment with his girls. So we talked about how can you

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bring stories, which is interesting talking
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How can you relate to people?
How did you relate to your daughters

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when they were struggling, when they
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things. What kind of questions did
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it was a matter of mapping across
getting him to realize that he could do

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it. It's just how do you
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asking the right questions to get him
to then tell me how he could do

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it. And I think that's important
as really we all know inside of us,

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to be honest, we all know
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It's just shining the light on that
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yeah, I know how to tell
stories, I know how to ask these

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questions. I know exactly how what
I'm going to do With Bob Smith,

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Sue and Sally, it was just
it was exciting to see the light bulbs

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go on for him. I'm just
loving watching you walk down memory lane to

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to capture that experience. And this
is why why you and I both did

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this work. Right, When we
get to literally witness somebody's molecules change as

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they grow, there is something about
that that is the most it's the most

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compelling thing that I've ever experienced,
Right, and then to be led into

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that intimate space in people's lives.
I mean, to me, it's the

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most beautiful work to get to do. I am so grateful I get to

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live in that world of intimacy,
in the space of what people want from

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their lives. Literally they wish to
become what they're fretting about and worried about,

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et cetera. I mean, it's
just it's such an honor. And

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I loved how you shared that story. M Thank you, Alice, thank

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you. Yes. And I too
loved reading to my daughter, to the

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point that when I would be out
in public and you know, I was

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at her with me into and such, if we were going to have any

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kind of a weight, I always
had a book with me and I'd whip

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it out in public and I'd start
reading, and then I would notice that

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all the eyes and the room that
we were in were suddenly gravitated to us.

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I loved it. So the power
of stories, and how beautiful though

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that you helped him pour over that
love into his leadership. I don't know

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that I've heard of story like that
before. Karen. That is very powerful.

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Thank you, Elise. Yeah,
You're welcome. Love it. Well,

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let us do this. Let's go
ahead and grab our final break here

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because before when we get when we
come back, I want to talk about

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your book that's about to come out. So let's grab our last break.

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I'm your host, Doctor Elie's Cortez. We've been on the air with doctor

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Karen Kramer. She's a neuro linguistic
programming master, coach, divorce and relationship

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breakthrough coach, speaker, author,
and the leadership development facilitator. We've been

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talking a bit about some of the
things that she knows really well that have

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really situated how she serves in her
work. After the break, we're going

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to start by talking about the new
book she has coming out. To stay

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with us, We'll be right back. Doctor Elise Cortez is a management consultant

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specializing in meaning and purpose. An
inspirational speaker and author. She helps companies

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visioneer for a greater purpose among stakeholders
and develop purpose inspired, leadership and meaning

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infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within the workforce. To

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learn more or to invite a lease
to speak to your organization, please visit

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her at Elise Cortez dot com.
Let's talk about how to get your employees

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working on Purpose. This is Working
on Purpose with doctor Elise Cortez. To

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reach our program today or to open
a conversation with a lease, send an

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email to elease a l I se
at Elise Cortez dot com. Now back

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to Working on Purpose. Thanks for
danying well us, and welcome back to

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Working on Purpose. I mentioned in
the first break about the Purpose and Enjoyed

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Tour. Two of my latest books
that are featured in that tour are.

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One is The Great Revitalization How Meaning, How activating meaning and purpose can radically

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enliven your business. This is for
leaders to help them understand how to build

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elevating and high performing leadership and culture, and it's for today's times. It

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really situates just what has happened here
in the last few years and what you

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need to do to be able to
keep and attract today's workforce. The other

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recently book is called Coloring Life,
How Loss Advises to live more vibrant lives,

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which helps people to navigate loss and
transform to growth and vitality. You

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can find them both on Amazon or
other bookseller platforms. If you're just now

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joining the program today. My guest
is doctor Karen Kramer. She's the owner

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and founder of the Villivision Wellness and
Retreat Center, a sponse bired therapeutic wellness

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center to help ground women from the
insight out. She's currently working on her

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forthcoming book to out in fallow twenty
twenty three, with a working title of

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Healthy Grief, Normalizing and Navigating Loss
and a Culture of Toxic Positivity. I'm

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your host, doctor Leis Cortez.
Have to dive into that. And of

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course you know that this book or
you're working on here. You know this

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is part of the reason that we
each found each other again and so gravitated

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and you know, wrapped around each
other and said, you're not going anywhere,

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you stay right here. So I
have to hear a little bit about

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this. We talked a little bit
about it when I was with you in

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San Diego. But let's hear where
the book came from. What are you

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What kind of message are you trying
to put forth? Yes, And I

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remember that first call that we had
at least about you coming and connecting,

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and I had to say, I'm
not stealing your identity. Idea idea going

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on right now? It's so funny. So with I've shared about the passing

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my father leading to really a grief
breakdown at that time that I wasn't helped

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through by professionals five years ago,
then going through divorce and realizing there's another

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way to do this. And so
when I was going through working with my

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clients in the last four years specifically
and I've worked with I counted back.

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I worked with close to twelve hundred
individuals because not only one on one,

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but I was traveling with these individuals, helping to train them, traveling with

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the organization to help train them in
NLP practitioner and Master practitioner level. And

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I realized that there aren't different kinds
of grief. So let me step back.

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When I first got into this body
of work four years ago, I

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always said, Okay, what's my
ideal client. Who's the one person that

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I really want to focus on,
And that my target audience was the woman

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that I was a year or more
before that, the woman going through and

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after divorce. But I didn't want
to be known as the divorce coach or

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anything like that, because I'm also
about about, you know, honing in

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on relationships. I just didn't like
to focus about only about divorce and then

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having gone through the grief with the
loss of my mother and my brother back

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to back. All this and also
some of the traumas that even my clients

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were going through, childhood traumas and
even recently going through health issues such as

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cancers, and I realized that I
wanted to focus on when I looked at

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the theme of all of that,
look back at systems like really once all

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the theme was grief. Whether it
was the death of a loved one,

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whether it was a divorce, whether
it was going through a health diagnosis,

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those were all griefs and I had
experienced those as well. And then reading

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books like The Body Keeps a Score
and The Myth of Normal having read those

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at the same time, I said, yes, yes, yes, this

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is about how do I help people. I identify the grief, release the

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grief before it starts settling into the
body. So another part of both NLP

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as well as their psychosomatic, which
means mind body is another popular word that's

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out there around things that are going
on in the mind, the conscious or

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unconscious mind, unresolved, stuck energy
can settle in the body somatic. There's

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another big word out there that's called
psycho neuroimmunology, which is around the yeah

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it's around again. Those things that
are going on in our mind, usually

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at the subconscious or unconscious level,
unresolved such as griefs or trauma, are

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impacting the neurology of our body and
breaking down the immune system that is then

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opening ourselves up to be able.
Are opening selves up to various different ailments,

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whether it is more susceptible to things
like colds and COVID flues and things

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like that, or actually more susceptible
to fighting off things like the heart attacks

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and the cancers and things. Even
In the myth of Normal to Go,

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Bormante talks about how as a physician
he was finding a number of women were

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coming to him with autoimmune related diseases, everything from rumor toward arthritis to ms,

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and he then decided to play the
researcher and start asking him about their

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home life. And he actually says
a phrase in there about the loss of

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identity leading to pathology, meaning that
these women were losing their sense of identity,

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whether it was a death of a
loved one I'm not quite sure who

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I am now, or a divorce, or something happens, the loss of

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a child, something happens in their
life where they lost their sense about who

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they are and what they want in
the world, breaks down their immune system

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to be able to fight off these
things, and then they were finding that

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the ailment their body was starting to
break down. Flip side of that is

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also you can build up your immune
system right by bringing in more joy,

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more happiness into your life. So
there's the flip side of it is how

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can you prevent ailments from happening in
the body, and also how can you

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build up your immune system to prevent
it in the first place. But this

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is all the basis for my book
where it gets into both the work that

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I'm doing in the book to talk
about healthy grief, which seems like an

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oxymoron, but it's the idea of
everybody is in you and I. Everybody's

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going to experience some form of grief, and usually when we think grief,

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we think about dying. So in
my book, I start off by talking

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about death and dying, which all
of us will experience one way or the

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other, and how good, meaning
that it gives us an idea about how

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can we use that as an opportunity
to understand more about ourselves and explore what's

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in the backseat of our car,
the unconscious or subconscious mind and clean it

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out so it doesn't get in body. So I created a model. I

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call it healthy grief. But I
was looking for a model. I said,

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isn't there a model that's out there, something that is easy, something

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simple for people to know, and
created Oh yeah, grief. Grief is

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a five letter word, and so
in my book, I created a model

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around those four letters that is used
to help people, whether it is I'm

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going through if I'm going through the
death of a loved one or the loss

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a divorce, I could use it. I could use it if I have

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a friend who's going through it.
I can also use it to help a

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child or somebody else. Really using
it as a framework to understand the grief

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process, as well as normalizing and
raising that conversation around grief versus us.

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Like the typical response and you and
I talked about it, it's like,

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hey, you know, so,
oh your mom and dad passed away.

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Oh, I'm so sorry for your
loss. Yeah yeah, so about that

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sports team. You know, it's
sorry for your loss, But then we

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don't know where to go from there. So really it's normalizing the conversation and

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it's giving people. How can I
helpfully engage in support somebody who's going through

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something rather than just avoiding it because
it's uncomfortable, as well as understanding the

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whole process that one may go through. What is so beautiful about what you

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just narrated, Karen, is that
you know, as you know by now,

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my approach to manage and grief is
profoundly different than yours because it's based

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on local therapy. Yes, And
what I want to say about this is

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this really speaks to again our experiential
intelligence and how we can distinguish our very

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unique contribution to the world by really
paying attention to everything that we've gone through,

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everything that we have uniquely learned to
be able to teach others how they

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can move through we can help them
from what we've experienced. So again,

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as you know, I mean my
work, my book Coloring Life, is

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really about the loss of my parents
twenty eight days apart, and what I

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learned about living vibrant from those losses. And it's what I do when I

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have my sessions, as you know, is help people get present to their

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emotions around loss because it's expansive,
right though that emotional set is expansive.

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It's beyond what most of us usually
experience in our day to day and so

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there's an opening to that, to
your point, if we can move through

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it before it settles into us,
and then be able to start to talk

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about it in a way that normalizes
loss, as you just said, but

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also then helps us recognize that there's
where there's resilience in us to be had

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to be reached for when we recognize
just how strong, powerful and beautiful we

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really are and whatever that person meant
to us, to be able to stand

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in the place of what did I
learn from them? What beauty did I

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get in that connection? What will
I hold in my heart for that person

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that deposited it across my life,
and really just be able to declare the

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vibrancy that's on the other side of
that. So such a I think it's

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a very nice compliment to the work
that you've been doing. Yes, In

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fact, I took a page from
your book the other day, so I

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would love to share that it was
whether it came from the book or our

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conversations, because it kind of all
melted together, even a wonderful around the

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fire pit conversations we had during your
book tour I had. I believe it

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was yesterday. There was a client
of mine who mentioned I saw something post.

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She posted something on Facebook about associate
of her, somebody she knew that

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had just tragically passed away. And
so I made a brief comment about sorry

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for your loss, and then reached
out to her directly by text message and

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said, hey, I just saw
your post, sorry for your loss.

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How are you doing? So I
started off there. She said, okay,

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you know, thanks, You're the
first who reached out, and I

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said, tell me about her.
Yes, there you go, that's it.

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Yes, what did you love about
her? All this? And she

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just sent me this long text message
of everything that that person meant in her

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life, and she said, thank
you for asking. So that was one

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big thing. Thank you alas for
that. It's just reaching out and such

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a way that just allows that other
person to honor where they were in their

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own hearts. That just makes my
whole day to know that, because that's

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one of the best things that I
want to be sure and leave in the

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book or to get across in the
book is instead of I think we can

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do so much better than I'm sorry
for your loss, and how about that?

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Carpet, right. I think you
can do better than that. And

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one way to do better about that
is to really get present to the person

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and I love what you said,
are you? How are you? And

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then, as I like to do, tell me about this person, what

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were they like? What did you
just love about them? And each time

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that I have done that, it's
generally a cathartic experience for the people that

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are involved there. They cycle through
laughter and tears and they go into these

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great stories and it's wonderful. And
I you and I are both and the

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same boat that we want to normalize
talking about loss and how we move through

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loss. So I just I'm thrilled
the way the you just shared that thank

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you? Melting, isn't it melting? There's two bad We're almost already through

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this conversation read it goes by so
fast. So before we go, I

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want to make sure that you talk
about the work that you do and breakthrough

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with clients. And first, how
do you define breakthrough? Because I've done

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breakthrough work as well. How do
you define breakthrough? I define breakthrough as

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identifying what's in the backseat of your
car. So again, the subconscious or

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unconscious mind once underneath there. So
the first thing is to identify it and

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then quickly and easily release it.
So that's the breakthrough a part, and

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then coming to installing quick and easy
techniques to be able to move forward in

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your life. So, for example, I have a client actually who's coming

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in tonight. So when I start
off doing breakthrough work, I follow my

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clients over a three month period of
time, but the first three days are

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when ninety nine percent of the work
is done, and so I gather some

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brief information and then go dive deep, dive quick because when you're working with

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the unconscious mind, you can actually
get results instantaneously and long lasting. Hence

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the reads and let's just breakthrough now
instantaneous and long lasting. And then the

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next three months I'm just following them
and celebrating all the change that's happening in

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their life. Such important stuff and
breakthrough we all everybody listening to this,

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ladies and gentlemen, I want you
to think about that when you've had a

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breakthrough, you know you've had a
breakthrough. It's unmistakable, right, it's

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really profound. So one other thing
that I want you to talk about,

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just briefly, is I know that
you've had the experience of wearing five children

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in a blended family, and I
know that that has been a very enriching

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experience for you, But maybe in
a minute, what did you get from

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that experience? Every single one of
them is difference. You can't do you

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think I've come from a world of
fairness. I was the youngest of three,

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two older boys, and my parents
always came from and I always wanted

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to be fair to every single one
of them. But I've learned that every

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single one of them is different.
And even one of the recent things that

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has come is looking at, for
example, that you have to go to

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college like you and I went for
a doctoral work. It's very I have

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to go to college. And I
realized for every single one of my kids,

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they learn and they experience things much
differently. We're living in a different

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world. So even for my twenty
year old who said, Mom, I

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just want a gap here, I'm
not quite sure whether i want to go

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to trade school or college. And
I'm in a different place now where I'm

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not triggered about what has to happen, and I'm sitting back and I said,

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Okay, just let me know where
you're going. In your life and

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how you want me to support you. It's a whole different ball game than

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the place I was for the older
kids. Oh I love that. Just

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seeing your children for the unique special
beings they are and helping them find a

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way to make that work in the
world sounds good to me. Okay,

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So you know the show's listen to
it by people across the world, and

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they are We're really out to create
a workplace people can actually try. They

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grown to their best when they're led
by inspirational leaders. We do business at

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Betters the world. What would you
like to leave them with? M Okay,

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Attention to your intuition is what's coming
to me. Probably that is paying

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to the intuition. If there's a
gut that's there, whether it's following your

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passion, whether it's telling you this
may not be the right door to go

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through. A door closes, look
for the other opportunities and try to figure

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out, not try it, but
do what is the next right step to

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keep going towards your goal. Beautiful
finish, Doctor Karen Kramer. I'm so

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grateful to have you in my heart
as a friend, to know you as

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an inspiring colleague, and to share
if my listeners and viewers across the world,

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thank you for being on Working on
Purpose. Thank you Lease, You're

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welcome listeners, viewers. You'll learn
more about doctor Karen Kramer, the Villa

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Vision and her work. Start by
visiting the Villa Vision dot com, so

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Vila Vision dot com, do Villavision
dot com. Last week given us the

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life show You Always Get to Be
a recorded podcast, We're on air with

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doctor pelle A Delight oh Man talking
about his new book called Profitable Happiness The

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Key the five key habits of a
high performance Organization. He's really laid out

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some very powerful structure and built some
software to support it. It's pretty pretty

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fabulous. Next week we'll be on
the air with Jennifer Pstikus and Hope Mueller

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talking about their new book Great Women
at Work, Stories and Resilience. See

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you there, and remember that work
as an integral and important part of our

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lives and it can be one of
the best adventures and means of realizing our

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potential and making the impact we crave. So let's Work on Purpose. We

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hope you've enjoyed this week's program.
Be sure to tune into Working on Purpose

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featuring your host doctor Elise Cortez each
week on W FOURCY. Together, we'll

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create a world where business operates conscientiously. Leadership inspires and passion performance and employees

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are fulfilled in work that provides the
meaning and purpose they crave. See you

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there, Let's work on purpose.