Nov. 5, 2024

Spiritually Intelligent Leadership: The Key to Inspiring Teams and Igniting Performance

Spiritually Intelligent Leadership: The Key to Inspiring Teams and Igniting Performance

True spiritual intelligence goes beyond belief systems or fleeting moments of connection; it’s a cultivated way of being that deeply influences those around you. Imagine leading with qualities like purpose, compassion, integrity, and humility—virtues...

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True spiritual intelligence goes beyond belief systems or fleeting moments of connection; it’s a cultivated way of being that deeply influences those around you. Imagine leading with qualities like purpose, compassion, integrity, and humility—virtues esteemed across all wisdom traditions and now proven to inspire exceptional performance. When you lead from this core, you’ll inspire your team to achieve powerful, purpose-driven performance that lasts.

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What's Working on Purpose?

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Anyway?

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Each week we ponder the answer to this question. People

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ache for meaning and purpose at work, to contribute their

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talents passionately and know their lives really matter. They crave

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being part of an organization that inspires them and helps

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them grow into realizing their highest potential. Business can be

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such a force for good in the world, elevating humanity.

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In our program, we provide guidance and inspiration to help

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usher in this world we all want Working on Purpose.

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Now here's your host, doctor Elise Cortez.

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Welcome back to Working a Purpose program, which has been

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brought to you with Passionate Prize since February of twenty fifteen.

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Already.

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Thanks for tuning in again this week. Great to have you.

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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes. If we have not

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met yet and you don't know me, I'm an organizational

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psychologist and local therapist, speaker and author. My team and

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I at Gusto Now help companies to enliven and fortify

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their operations by building a dynamic, high performance culture and

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inspirational leadership activated by meaning and purpose.

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You'll learn more about us on how.

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We can work together at gusto dashnow dot com or

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my personal site at lascoretes dot com. Getting in today's

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program we have with us today. Joc Amram He's a PhD,

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a distinguished psychologist, an executive coach catering to CEOs, entrepreneurs,

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and other influential teacher leaders, and a pioneer researcher in

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the field of spiritual intelligence. Prior to psychology and executive coaching,

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during a thirteen year period, he founded and served as

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a CEO for Individual Inc. And Vallasert, two highly successful

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tech companies that he led through successful IPOs. He's the

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author of Spiritual Intelligent Leadership, How to Inspire by Being Inspired,

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which we'll be talking about today. Our conversation includes coverage

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of the potency of spiritual intelligent, intelligent leadership, it's business impact,

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and a discussion of many of the core aspects of

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being a spiritual intelligent leader. He joined us today from

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Santa Cruz, California, Doctor Imron, Welcome to Working on Purpose.

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Thank you and thank you, Doctor Lees. May I call

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you Lese?

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Please do yes, please do absolutely yeah, see, I will

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thank you. I'm so happy to meet too. I'm always

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grateful that you're a pr person has found us United

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US and I, as you know, read your beautiful book

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cover to cover. I want to just commend you on

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bringing this beautiful contribution to the world. I align with

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so many of the points you made it, as you

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now know through our LinkedIn exchanges. So I think we'll

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have a really good, yummy, juicy conversation about it.

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I am delighted and excited to be here with you

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and this opportunity. I'm enjoying your smile and I'm feeling inspired.

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I'm glad and I will tell you the same thing

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that I told you before we got an air. I

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despairs repeating uh listeners and viewers. Yosi has embarrassed me publicly,

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as happened sometimes with my guest. I often read my

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guest books when I'm out, either on an airplane or

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when I'm exercising at the gym. And there were so

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many points when I first opened your book. You see,

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I was on the on the bike ipsid. Yes that's right, Yes,

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that's that's it, and I'm underlining and everything else that

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I know. People at the gym are like the weird

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old lady on the bike is at it again. She's

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lost it anyway, So I have you to thank you

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for now. People sure that I'm crazy.

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I'm honored.

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I thought you just since the work you do, you know,

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with inspiration, et cetera. But I have to we have

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to surface for our listeners and viewers.

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What who haven't read the book yet.

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Let's talk just a bit about on your background before

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you found your way into coaching CEOs today. I just

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think it's important for them to understand just a bit

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of the high points of your journey that got you

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into the space shom in today.

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Okay, I'll try and cover that, you know, just a

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year and a half. It's a little more than that,

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but I won't reveal this is my deepest secrets. But anyway,

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I was born and raised in Israel, and like all

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young men, was drafted into the military at age eighteen,

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into mandatory three year service. I was a pacifist at

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the time. Luckily it was quiet time. It's horrific what's

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going on there now? And I was a shye introvert,

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math and science oriented kind of kid. And to my surprise,

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I found myself thrust into leadership and had the fastest

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promotion record in the history of my regiment, won all

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these awards. But despite my success, the command and control

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model of leadership in the military, which is necessary in battle,

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really chafed at my soul and I was to some

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days see if I can build an organization based on

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different principles and values that inspire greatness and bring out

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the best in people and helping them actualize their potential

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both as individuals and then in a team and in

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a community environment. And that's kind of what led me

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to come to the US and study engineering and business,

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and from there, as you mentioned, I was the founder

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and CEO of two companies that I had the good

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fortune of taking public. Now in one of them, I

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know I was very focused and driven, and it was

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my lifelong passion. I was working seventy eighty hours a

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week over a six to seven year period, and then

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the Internet came in. It was a big threat to

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our business model, and I started to get depressed and

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frozen with fear and how it's going to affect our

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business and how we're going to reinvent ourselves and can

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we do that? And that was very stressful time. I

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persisted and pursue, and fortunately the company became a high

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flying Internet success and we went public. Our stock was rising,

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and I was stressed out and I was trying to

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relax and one day I was getting a massage, and

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while laying on the massage table, I had this transformative

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experience where all of a sudden, I felt like my

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body was made of consciousness. Everything was made of one enormous,

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fast field of consciousness that I was just part of.

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looked like it was in me, and it kind of

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blew the circuits of my mind. I experienced what people

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would call a spiritual awakening, but it was so disorienting

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an experience that it threw me into a manic episode.

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I was having all these downloads about the future of

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the Internet as the network of networks that connects everything

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across time and space, and I wanted my company to

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be the leader in bringing that future about. And I

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was initiating several projects because it was like such an

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open field opportunity. But it was just I was ungrounded

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and I wanted everything done yesterday, and my team couldn't

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keep up, and the board thought I was crazy, told

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you I was crazy, people, and so they put me

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on a voluntary leave of absence quote unquote, pushed out

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of the company I started, and our stock price guy

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collapsed and it was headline stories in the Wall Street

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Journal New York Times. It was a lot of shame

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and embarrassment because the people that used to seek my

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company stop returning my calls and my emails, and I

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was kind of relegated to being this weirdo that lost it.

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But you know, slowly I kind of picked myself up

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and I went into therapy, and ultimately that experience changed

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the direction of my life. I went and got a PhD,

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became trained as a psychologist. By then, I was also

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had the good fortune of being an angel investor, helping

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other entrepreneurs as their first investor and going on their

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board and helping mentor and coach them and building their company.

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And I wanted to work with them deeper, and I

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wanted to understand myself, and I wanted to know whether

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this experience of oneness and spiritual awakening was real or

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was it delusional? And that all led me to kind

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of discover this concept of spiritual intelligence was not coined

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by me. It was coined by Dana Zohar a number

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of years earlier. But I wanted to study it scientifically.

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I knew about emotional intelligence and all the research that

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was done to show how it helps our well being

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and improves leadership and so on, and I thought, wow,

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that would be a beautiful parallel if there was such

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a thing as spiritual intelligence. But if you're going to

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study something academically, you have to know defind it precisely,

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and measure it so you could see what effect it was.

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But that didn't exist. So I set on a path

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to define it. And so that started me by interviewing

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seventy one teachers across all the world spiritual tradition, whether

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they were Buddhists or Daoist or Muslim, or Christian or

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Jewish or Hindu, and discovered that there are common virtues

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across all the world's traditions. Service, purpose, compassion, integrity, trust, humility,

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forgiveness are common virtues. And this was very exciting because

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it says, regardless of our theology of or cosmology, there's

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something fundamentally similar. And then from there I worked with

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a colleague and we developed the first academically validated measure

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of spiritual intelligence. And once I had that, I could

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go study. My original question is does a contribute to leadership?

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So I did a study with forty two CEOs and

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two hundred and ten members of their staff and showed

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that spiritually intelligent leaders lead team with higher morale, greater commitment,

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and lower turnover. And I was controlling for emotional intelligence

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to see how the two compliment or relate to each other.

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So emotional intelligence contributed and spiritual intelligence contributed. If I'm

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going to get nerdy, I'll say emotional intelligence explained forty

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one percent of the variant, spiritual intelligence explained forty six

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percent of the variants, but combined they explain sixty seven

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percent of the variant, so that says that they each

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have a unique contribution, but they have a synergistic multiplicative

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effect together and that was kind of what started this

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whole journey. And since then, this measure of spiritual intelligence

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has been used by other researchers and validated in other

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contexts and translated into over a half dozen languages, and

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it's been shown that it contributes to satisfaction of life,

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quality of life, mental health, resilience, productivity at the individual

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and the group level. And it's even been shown that

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leaders with higher spiritual intelligence produce financial better financial results

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for their business units. And so anyway, I'll pause. This

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brings me to hear now.

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In view all right, Well that was incredible, you see,

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and I want to just go back to a couple

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of things because I really want to listeners and viewers

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to understand that they given what you just shared, which

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is incredibly powerful and incredibly alluring and clearly demonstrates your

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prowess in this field and your impact in this field,

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I do want to take you back to just you know,

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this spot where you were you described it when you're

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on the massage table, but I want to situate it

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and that you really say you say in your book.

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I felt an ache in my heart for greater and

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deeper fulfillment.

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I didn't know what that was, but I knew it

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could only be found through exploring my inner sect. And

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I want to bring that home because what I know

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you see is that when I'm speaking to audiences, when

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they feel that sort of emptiness, that's what they're reaching for.

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It is something that speaks to meaning and something greater,

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et cetera. So I want to just have you go

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back a little bit there to situate that for our

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listeners and viewers, and then I would like you distinguish,

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if you would, the difference between inspirational leadership and an

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inspired leader.

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Okay, great, So yeah. I mean, you know, in some

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ways I was, you know, at the height of I

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was physically healthy, I was wealthy, my company went public,

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I was worth millions of dollars. But there was this

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crisis of meaning you're talking about and fulfillment, and there

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was something that was hungering. And that's why I was

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reading all these psychology books and spirituality books, and something

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relax that said, no, we are part of this one.

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the plants here on my desk, and there's trees outside,

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and there's you thousands of miles away. But in reality,

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producing the oxygen, and my exhale it's inhale. And there's

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clothes or my food on my own. So we're all interdependent.

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this organism. Now we have individual identity, just like any

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individual cell if the organism is under cancer attack, Eventually

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you're going to die. So this understanding of our interconnectedness

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health disorders, because we see, basically, we've put ourselves in

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a solitary confinement. It's the worst harshest punishment in prison

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but that was kind of that lynchpin moment of spiritual awakening,

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which was also a crisis and as I said, led

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to me being pushed out of the company. So I'll

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facial language and whatever, and yeah, you said some nice things,

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an inspirational leader or an inspiring leader, I have to

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look outside. I'm not empowered. I mean, that's not determined

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by me. It's determined by how you respond to me.

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am I inspired in this moment? I am because I'm

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talking about spiritual intelligence, which is my life's passion and

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my calling and my purpose to awaken greater spiritual intelligence

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and myself.

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care about un Does she care about, you know, football

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on Sunday nights or does she care about spiritual intelligence

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I'm on fire, I'm on passionate with you know, my

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sacred spark of life is ignited, my flame is fanned,

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and then people that resonate are drawn to me and

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then they find me inspiring. But that's the effect, you know, Otherwise,

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if I'm trying to be inspiring. I'm more like a politician.

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but ultimately and not really being authentic, and I'm going

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to burn out because there's going to be this I'm

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and that's going to burn me out. So in my answering,

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you you did, and then.

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take reverse recu. Let's now stitch together. You say, the

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root of inspiration is what, well, the.

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Word inspiration comes from, which is what leaders do. In

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contrast to managers who managed resources, leaders inspire And that

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was the first lessons I heard I learned in my

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Harvard Business school. One of the first cases managers' leaders

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are the same different. It's a classical thing. But leaders

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inspire and the word of inspire is spirit, which is

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the animating breath of life.

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laying out a sense of purpose, a vision, and a

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mission that people that are motivated by it can get

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behind and then you have an aligned team of people

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who shared mission, values and purpose. That is a community

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of care. And this is so crucial when there's mutuality

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of care and mutuality of aim.

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on that after the break. Let's take our first break.

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I'm your host, doctor Eleas Cortes, who joined Mare of

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doctor Josi Amram. He's a distinguished psychologist and executive coach

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catering to CEOs, entrepreneurs, and other influential leaders, and a

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pioneer researcher in the field of spiritual intelligence. We've been

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talking a bit about where his fascination and now calling

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it came from. After the break, we're going to get

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into the dimensions of spiritual intelligent leadership.

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and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author. She helps companies

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visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired

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leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and

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commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite

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a lease to speak to your organization, please visit her

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at elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about how to get

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your employees working on purpose. This is working on Purpose

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with doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today or

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Elise alisee at elisecortes dot com. Now back to working

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on Purpose.

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Thanks for staying with us, and welcome back to working

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on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Elis Cortes, as I too,

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am dedicated to help them create a world where if

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people realize their potential at work, especially, are led by

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inspirational leaders that help them find and contribute their greatness

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and do business that betters the world. I continue to

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research and write my own books, so the last one

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came out in March of twenty twenty three. It's called

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The Great Revitalization. How activating meaning and purpose can radically

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in liven your business. I wrote it to help leaders

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understand the layout of today's land, what does the workforce

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need and want from them? And then I offer twenty

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two best practices to provide that culture build for them.

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And curiously you'll see the last part of the book

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I separate those practices into ones that are based in

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IQ and EQ and SQ spiritual intelligence. And that's why

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I got so excited when I read your book. So

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what I would love to do next year is I

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would love to talk about as many of your dimensions

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as we possibly can. And so first starting off with

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the notion here when you talk about your book here,

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the first one.

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The seven dimend there.

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Well, if you could you rattle the seven dimensions and

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then I'll go into the other pieces as well.

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If you can't remember all them, I've got a cheat

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cheat for us.

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Okay, great, Well, the first one is around meaning mobilizing

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a sense of purpose and a call for service. Why

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we hear, what's the vision of what we're trying to build,

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et cetera. The other one is interacting with grace, which

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is bringing trust and hope for the future we're trying

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to build, bringing joy, finding the beauty in what we're doing,

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and expressing gratitude and appreciation for everyone. The next one,

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if I'm remembering, is being inner directed, yes, which is,

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you know, being centered, interconnected with the courage to be

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our unique, authentic self and the freedom that's associated with that.

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There's a certain sense of confidence and then the other

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where there's a mutuality of care and compassion among everyone.

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Are we trying to build a low cost product or

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the highest quality product? No, both of those. It's kind

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of a yes and type of thing that that values

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each perspective, each department, and from that you create this

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greater synthesis higher truths. There's the presence, which is showing

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up with authentic presence, so we're clear in our intention,

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we're paying attention. I'm not here with you right now,

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thinking about my text messages, what I'm doing next, et cetera.

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bombarded and people have a hard time managing our attention

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and so being in presence, being clear in our attention intention,

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you know, having our attention on the task at head

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and feeling empowered and grounded. And then back to that

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centered thing. And then there's the domain of truth, so

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we're motivated and devoted to truth, which means we're open

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to learning and listening and doing the right thing as

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opposed to proving ourself right, which comes from a place

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of insecure ego. So it's about truth, doing the right

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thing as opposed to being right. And the last dimension

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has to do with wisdom, which is the ability to

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tune into our intuition, our higher self, and learn and

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tap into that wisdom and be wholeheartedly devoted to our purpose,

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our mission, our cause, and that you know, gives us

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all this energy, all this alignment. We're undivided and all

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our life force is behind what we're doing. So we're

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most powerful and empowered.

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M beautifully explained and with just a slight bit of

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exuberance described disguised as passion. And I just want to

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invite you, listeners and viewers, just imagine if you could

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be living and leading your organization from those distinguished qualities

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that you'll see just described.

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Imagine if you could what you could do with that.

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So I just want to give you the opportunity to

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step into that and imagine what that could do for

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your business and for yourself. Next you'll see what I

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want to do is I just want to talk a

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little bit. You've already mentioned this before, about some of

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the business impact of what happens when we are led

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by a spiritually intelligent leader. You mentioned that, you know,

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the higher morale, morality, the higher engagement, et cetera. But

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I do want to take us back to the same

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Bain study that I founded and mentioned as well. You've

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done a lot of research, but you also mentioned that

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Bain found these thirty three characteristics, but they also discovered

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that inspired employees are about twice as productive as merely

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satisfied employees, if you could just speak a little bit

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to that.

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believe that did that with thousands of employees across many

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companies to identify what are the qualities of inspiring leaders,

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and they uncovered qualities like centeredness and presence and servanthood

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and service and humility. Which so if you look at

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the twenty two qualities of spiritual intelligence, over half of

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them map into the Bain study. So those a nice overlap.

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By the way, I didn't say this, but those qualities

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of spiritual intelligence also map into character strengths as identified

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in the field of positive psychology. So you have this

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convergence from ancient traditions thousands of years on these spiritual traditions,

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and then now positive psychology studying what are the character

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strengths that make us be more productive, more effective, happier

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human beings. And then you have leadership development studies like

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Baine and elsewhere talking about qualities like integrity, servantthood, presence centeredness.

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So you've got this convergence across these three different things

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all pointing to these same qualities. Now you might say, okay, great,

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but why aren't we just saying this is a collection

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of qualities, maybe they're random. Well, and why are you

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calling them spiritual intelligence? Yes? See, I think that would

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be the obvious question if I was kind of sitting

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first of all, that these were originally identified in all

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the spiritual traditions. And it's kind of curious that regardless

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of whether you believe in God or Buddha, nature, father, Sky,

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mother Earth, the Tao, all these traditions are basically saying, hey,

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let's connect into our depth. Whatever name you want to

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call it, whether you call it call it Buddha, nature,

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true nature, the Tao, the spirit, and the ground of being,

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there are many names you know that we can give them.

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might say, our life force energy, these qualities naturally emerged.

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emerges when we are connected to our spirit, to our essence,

463
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to our life force energy, and these qualities are the

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highest and deepest expression of all of that. So that's

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why I think they're not just a random collection of

466
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qualities that happened to have been surfaced in positive psychology

467
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and leadership and so on. There is a unifying theme

468
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behind them. Your second part of your questions.

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I don't remember, but I don't think it matters because

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that was that was so where I wanted you to

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take us, and so compelling and it's excluisitely explained. Yo.

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See.

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So now what I think makes a ton of sense

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because you have really helped to understand what do you

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mean by spiritual intelligence and that last bit that you shared,

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and now we cover before why it's so important effective

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in organizations in the leadership. Now I think it makes

478
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a lot of sense to talk about the spiritual intelligence

479
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scale that you developed and using your practice.

480
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How did you develop it and how does it work?

481
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Well, developing a psychometrically validated scale is not a small project.

482
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No, it is not, sir, I commend you.

483
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Yeah, well, I didn't develop it on my own. I

484
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brought in some of my interviews from Spiritual Intelligence, but

485
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I brought in someone who was on the faculty at

486
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By University. You had expertise and statistics and psychometris psychometrics.

487
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So you come up with hundreds of potential items that

488
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have what's called face validity that they seem to relate

489
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to these themes I identified through the interviews, and then

490
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you administer that to thousands of people or many people,

491
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and then you see what factors clusters statistically, and then

492
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you see what differentiates And we had these seventy one

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spiritual teachers that were nominated and were interviewed, and then

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they also took the assessment, and then you look at

495
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which which items helped differentiate most between these these spiritual

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teachers that were nominated by their peers as those that

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embody spiritual intelligence and walk the talk in daily life.

498
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And so from all of that, you do all these

499
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statistical tests Cronbak alpha test, retest, reliability, construct validity. I mean,

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I some of the statistics was behind me, but we

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got the right person and then it was validated by

502
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other researchers. As I mentioned, So it's a very involved

503
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process to come up with something that is statistically validated,

504
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scientifically validated, and I think that's crucial if you want

505
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to develop a field. What made emotional intellig diligence catch on,

506
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you know, zeitgeist in our culture. It's a concept that

507
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was first developed by two academicians, so Lov and Meyer

508
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in a paper in nineteen ninety. Up until then, we

509
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thought that emotion and reasons are in diconomy. If I

510
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said to you, do you know people in your life

511
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who you consider emotional? You think for money and say yes,

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And then I say do you know people in your

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life that are emotionally intelligent? They might be different sets

514
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of people. Usually when we think of somewhat emotional, it's

515
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not necessarily the most positive thing. They might be out

516
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of control, this regulated, et cetera. But emotional intelligence is

517
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a different thing. Now we have a similar diconomy between

518
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spiritual and practical. We think as someone who's spiritual their

519
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wu wu. Maybe they wear malas and you abulates and

520
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maybe they, you know, talk to angels, or I don't

521
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know what, which is all beautiful if. But you know,

522
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what spiritual intelligence cares about is not the momentary experience

523
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you have and not whether you believe in God or not.

524
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It's like, how do you behave on your work team?

525
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How do you relate to your colleagues, how do you

526
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relate to family members and friends? How do you drive

527
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on the freeway, how do you shop in the supermarket?

528
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How do you relate to the cashier that's helping you.

529
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So it's really bringing into daily life is what matters

530
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with spiritual intelligence. So the scale, I'm kind of going

531
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a little bit on on tangent, but the scale asks

532
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how do these things show up in your daily life

533
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and how do you behave? And you could do a

534
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:41.359
self assessment of it and it's normalized against you. So

535
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:43.920
it's not trying to get your ego hooked about am

536
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.119
I higher than others? But like, what are my strengths

537
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:51.640
relative to myself? So you know, some people, mindfulness is

538
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a real strength. They're very aware, they pay attention, they're

539
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in their body, their present in the moment. For other

540
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people it's a strong sense of purpose. For other people

541
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it's compassion. So each of us has, you know, some

542
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level of capacity on all of these qualities, and for

543
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.000
each of us there's a different set of strengths. Now,

544
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the other thing that we've done that's unique is that

545
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there's a three sixty component to this, so that you

546
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can ask people, colleagues, people around you to give you

547
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.599
feedback and then you could see how your self perception

548
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.799
relates to how others rank you, and you might find

549
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.880
some pleasant surprises. I didn't think I am bringing so

550
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.000
much joy into my interactions, but other people think, oh,

551
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.000
you know, he's joyful, or maybe I think I'm the

552
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.519
funniest guy, and everyone was like, oh my god, you

553
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:47.440
know he's like so boring and whatever. So it's helpful

554
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.440
to get calibrated and see how our self awareness matches

555
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or our self concept matches with those we actually work with.

556
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So all of that is available on this intelligency website

557
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people that are interested as a free assessment that people

558
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could take of spiritual intelligence, and we.

559
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Will send them after the break.

560
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But just so you know, ladies and gentlemen, you can

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find that at ocmron dot net. That's E y O

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s I A M r A m dot net. Let

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us scrab our last break. I'm your host, doctor Elie Cortes.

564
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We are on the air with doctor Yo C. M ron,

565
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an distinguished psychologist and executive coach catering to CEOs, entrepreneurs,

566
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and other influential leaders, and a pioneer researcher in the

567
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field of spiritual intelligence. He has been helping us understand

568
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how he and his team have developed the Spiritual Intelligence Scale,

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and a bit more about what went into it and

570
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what it tells us about ourselves and our behavior. After

571
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the break, we want to dive more deeply into those

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dimensions that he described earlier.

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We'll be right back.

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Doctor Elise Cortes is a management consultant specializing in meaning

575
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and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author, she helps companies

576
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visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired

577
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.599
leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and

578
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.920
commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite

579
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Elise to speak to your organization, please visit her at

580
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Elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about how to get your

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00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:34.960
employees working on purpose. This is working on purpose with

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doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today or to

583
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open a conversation with Elise, send an email to Elise

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A Lisee at Elisecortes dot com. Now back to working

585
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on Purpose.

586
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Thanks for sting with us, and welcome back to Working

587
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on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes. If you

588
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are just now joining us, my guest is you see

589
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I'm run. He is the author of Spiritually Intelligence Leadership,

590
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How to Inspire by Being Inspired, which is what we're

591
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talking about today. So for this last bit of time

592
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we have together here, we say I just really wanted

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to treat our listeners and viewers to a little bit

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of a deeper dive into the seven dimensions that you

595
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gave us before.

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What I find interesting is that for each of those.

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Seven dimensions listeners and viewers, he then goes in and

598
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gives us a further set of aspects related to each

599
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of those. So we don't need to go into all

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the aspects of each of the seven dimensions, but if

601
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you could just color for us a little bit more

602
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about the dimensions, starting with mobilizing meaning. And I love

603
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that that you call it mobilizing meaning, because I call

604
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it activating meaning. But I really like the idea of mobilizing.

605
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:46.159
Meaning yeah, I like mobilizing, I like activating, but they're

606
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.480
both active. Yeah. So in the meaning domain, there are

607
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four capacities. One is purpose and I think that starts

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with finding our purpose as leaders as individuals, which starts

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00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.920
with finding our unique gifts, talents and superpowers and the

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00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.320
desire to share and use them to contribute. And it

611
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.360
unleashes so much energy where our personal purpose then lines

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up with the organizational purpose and so there's an alignment

613
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within our purpose, our personal purpose and the team organizational purpose.

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And when we do that, there's a lot of energy,

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a lot of passion, and a lot of alignment, and

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then we feel called to serve both. As an individual,

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I serve by contributing my talents and superpowers and actualizing them,

618
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which is a great gift to be able to actualize

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things and use them to contribute. And all the research

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shows that the deepest satisfaction and fulfillment comes from when

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we contribute to others, and so it's both at the

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individual level service and then also how we as a

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team or organization adding value to the world to our

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00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:07.280
stakeholders will be the external customers or internal customers, et cetera.

625
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So you know, we're answering the question of service. The

626
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:15.400
other component is visioning. I think you are using that

627
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in some of what you're talking about, the visionaring or

628
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forget how you who're saying yoneering, So so you know,

629
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:28.119
it's like a key part of leadership is the future

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00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:30.760
we're building and having a vision of what it is.

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We paint a beautiful painting or picture or and then

632
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we're called to fulfill it. It's like it's asking us.

633
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It's like a piece of art that the sculptor sees

634
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and then they're like removing all the the junk around

635
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it so that the beautiful I forget, I think it

636
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was Yeah, David was kind of like that, you see it,

637
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but there's got all the stuff and then but once

638
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you see it and it's kind of like I want

639
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I want to see it become real. And that's a

640
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:07.480
technique used in sports psychology and elsewhere where you visualize

641
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where you're going to serve your tennis ball or your

642
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:15.960
golf swing, or martial artists visualizes their hand going through

643
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:19.840
a brick and it just it just cuts like knife

644
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through butter. So it's like laying the mental pathways the

645
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neural pathways in our brain, and then it's like we've

646
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lined up the universe to let us get there. And

647
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the last piece of that is reframing all difficulties into opportunities,

648
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because life is full of challenges and disappointments, and we

649
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can get discouraged. But I think the best leaders and

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as individuals we see every obstacle as an opportunity to

651
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learn what is it asking of me this disappointment? What

652
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qualities do I need to bring to bear in order

653
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to overcome this challenge? So every every challenge becomes an opportunity,

654
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and that reframe is so important. So all of that

655
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relates to meaning, I hope I said enough, that was gorgeous,

656
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brought it home.

657
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What I appreciate so much about that explanation is so

658
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many people find that'd be such a nebulous, abstract term,

659
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and you just totally brought that home. And so if

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we do the same thing with one of the early dimensions,

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which is interacting with grace, I think that you. I

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love that you add in that with dignity, beauty, and joy,

663
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and I appreciate so much that joy is fun of

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getting its place in the sun. Just seeing that show

665
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up more important so if you could also distinguish that

666
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dimension interacting with joy for us, joy or grace the

667
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:46.360
whole sorry, the whole, the whole dimension interacting with grace.

668
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.960
Yeah, so grace has you know, it's like bringing trust

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and hope is the first thing. So if you're gonna

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ask people to put their blood, sweat and tears behind

671
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the goal, that you have to trust that it's meaningful,

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then there's hope that we can get there. So, you know,

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having a certain level of basic trust that even if

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we don't accomplish the exact goal we set out, that

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will be okay. We'll adjust, will adapt, will flow. And

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this is also a huge personal thing, is like trusting

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myself to respond to life, trusting life that the universe

678
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is friendly, as Einstein call it, it's you know.

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That.

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So having that trust gives us hope, which gives us

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the strength and the courage that our efforts are not futile.

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So that's the first thing is to imbew ourselves with

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trust and hope. Then, as you mentioned, joy, joy activates

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our sense of humor, playfulness, which brings forth the creativity.

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So all the research suggests that people are relaxed, enjoying

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themselves there's joy, there's freedom, there's psychological safety. Now everybody's

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using that buzzword. There's more, more creativety, more productivity. The

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other component is beauty. I mean, if we see the

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beauty in what we're doing, and beauty we think of like, Okay,

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I can go to nature, the forest, the flowers, the sunset,

691
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the sunrise. Yeah, that's all beautiful, piece of music, piece

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of art. But can we find beauty in a spreadsheet

693
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the way it's elegantly like this will find beauty in

694
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a math equation that uncovers the mystery of something. It

695
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has a certain level of elegance, and you could see

696
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beauty and how a team interacts to produce an outcome,

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like a basketball team, how they pass the ball. There's

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a grace to that interaction and collaboration that you can

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if you're a basketball a fan, you can see beauty

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in their movement and their grace. But you can uncover

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that at work. It does have to be just like

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you know, as I said, going to nature and watching

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the sunset and then gratitude granted is so important for

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our moon and overcoming depression and and it's it's its

705
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own blessing. One is we're grateful for whatever we're grateful

706
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and then we're grateful for being able to recognize it,

707
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and that's its secondary base of blessing. And then when

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we share that gratitude and appreciation, that motivates the other person.

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So this creates a positive feedback loop. As we appreciate others,

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they feel seen, they feel appreciated, that motivates them to

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keep going, and then we see more and then they

712
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appreciate buzz back, so it creates this positive feedback loop.

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So all of that kind of brings positivity and energy

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and to the environment. So that's kind of the the

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interacting with grace.

716
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Okay, I want to say just want to add two

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things for you just said, because it's so learning and beautiful.

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On the beauty front, I had Stephen Morris on my

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show and he wrote a book, The Beautiful Business, and

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what he's really putting forth is the idea that we

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can all create a beautiful business by the way that

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we choose to do it, how we are being of service,

723
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and then we can just really be bowled over by

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00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.960
that beauty. So I just want to just celebrate his work.

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And then on the gratitude piece, I love the notion.

726
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I learned some some time ago that gratitude is a

727
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psycho hygienic tool. What that means, of course, is it

728
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literally cleans our mind. And I just really appreciate the

729
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.280
role of gratitude. It gets it's it's getting more of

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its grace and you know in the sun as well lately,

731
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but along with joy. But I just wanted to I

732
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wanted to echo just a couple of those things from

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what you what you illustrated, so many great things you'll see.

734
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Great, thank you, so welcome.

735
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Well, let's go on to the next dimension, becoming interdirected,

736
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which you know, for you that's so much of where

737
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your journey really became stoked and developed. I would say,

738
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but if you could say a bit more about what's

739
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involved with the becoming interdirected to mention.

740
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Well, it's getting centered and then learning to listen to

741
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our inner compass of truth. I mean, as leaders, we

742
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:20.239
have the s paradoxical thing for true intimacy, for true connection,

743
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.639
for we have to do two things that on the

744
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:28.039
face of them, I think Martin Boeber said this our contradictory.

745
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I need to stand my ground and I need to

746
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.800
be completely open to you. So we don't want to

747
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become stubborn, standing our ground and not being open. But

748
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:42.320
we don't want to be so open that we have

749
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no flexibility, we don't learn, and so on. So being interdirected,

750
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.559
we need to have the confidence to be ourselves, to

751
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:55.960
voice our opinions, you know, with our passion, but at

752
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:59.320
the same time be open, which relates to this other

753
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:03.159
thing around openness and truth. But the inner directed is

754
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.360
learning to tune in and read and follow our inner

755
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:14.679
compass of truth and morality and integrity and all of

756
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.119
those things. And you know, one of the key things

757
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.039
I do is working with my clients is helping them

758
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:24.559
tune in because so much from young age, we're so

759
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:28.679
externally focused. I mean, we get fed by our parents.

760
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.079
We can't survive on our own. We're seeking approval. We

761
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:34.800
need our parents to love us and I'll be disappointed

762
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.239
in us. So we're kind of conditioned from very young

763
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:42.360
age to be externally oriented. And this is our culture

764
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:47.239
is like it's about money and fame and approval. But

765
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.800
the whole journey is to turn inward, to start following

766
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.000
our inner signals, and that's where our intuition can come.

767
00:45:55.119 --> 00:46:00.000
And that's where our north star and having the confidence

768
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:05.320
than to hold our ground and follow that inner guidance.

769
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:11.880
Otherwise we're just back to this inspiring versus inspired. Otherwise

770
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.199
we're more like politicians trying to figure out what to

771
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.679
say to win the audience. Well, that's not leadership. That's

772
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:23.119
more followship. And sometimes we need to follow, but that's

773
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.559
a different thing. We have to be conscious about am

774
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:30.719
I taking a leadership role and following my north star?

775
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.800
Or am I following others? And sometimes maybe my north

776
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.199
star says, oh, right now, hand the baton to someone

777
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:41.599
else and follow them. But that's still requiring the discernment

778
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:44.599
moment to moment. When do I lead from the front,

779
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.159
When do I lead from behind?

780
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You know, you'll see I really appreciate how you distinguish

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what comprises that particular dimension the becoming interdirected, because when

782
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:57.000
I'm out speaking and people are just so hungry it

783
00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.239
is to figure out, you know, how do I discover

784
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.360
my purpose? I really think that so much of it

785
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:03.880
is starting right here with what you just said. So

786
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.119
those four components I think are just so so critical

787
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.639
solictens of viewers. If that's where you're wanting to start

788
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.800
in terms of purpose, I think that is a great

789
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place if you can work on those four pieces of

790
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.840
what he put forth as becoming interdirected. So here we are,

791
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.119
we've come already. It goes by so fast. We have

792
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.519
just like about a ment or so left on the show.

793
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For your part, you know that this show you I've

794
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listened by people around the world who were interested in

795
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either developing their own sense of self to a higher level.

796
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:34.400
They want to become better versions of a leader, or

797
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.840
they want to help stear their organization to do business

798
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:38.920
that betters the world. What would you like to leave

799
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them with?

800
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Well, as I said that this journey is a win win,

801
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I mean, I've worked with over one hundred CEOs and

802
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:52.079
they've built companies with billions of dollars in revenue, thousands

803
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.400
of employees. But when they learned to turn inward and

804
00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:00.960
cultivate their spiritual intelligence, become more inspired. They felt more interconnected,

805
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:05.119
interconnected with others around them and ultra connected to the

806
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:09.639
web of life. And so they feel inspired, empowered, and connected,

807
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.840
and that's super fulfilling. They're more effective at work, but

808
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.320
it transforms their personal lives. You know, as people developed

809
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:22.559
these qualities of presence and attention and intention, you know.

810
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:25.679
Then they come home to the dinner table with their

811
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family and their children, their present, and they're expressing gratitude

812
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:34.760
and it just has a ripple effect throughout the life.

813
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.639
So it's it's much more fulfilling and successful in the

814
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:42.760
business dimension, but it's really rewarding at the personal dimension.

815
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And yeah, completely agree, you'll see. I am so grateful

816
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to know you. I'm so grateful to a cross paths

817
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.239
with you, who have been learning from you, to be

818
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.000
inspired by you, to learn from you. And I'm so

819
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happy to share with my listeners and viewers around the world.

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Thank you for being on working on purpose.

821
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Thank you, Thank you listeners and viewers.

822
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:05.519
You are going to want to learn more about this

823
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.960
man and his amazing work. You're going to be surprised

824
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:09.639
at the breadth and the depth of his work. I

825
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:11.920
really encourage you to go to his website. It's Yo

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c Amran dot net. So it's y O s I

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A M R A M dot net, Yo CMN dot net.

828
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I'm rom M, I'm mom.

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Excuse me, that's what I have but to do? Not

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say that A M R A M.

831
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Yes, yes, I'm rom dot net.

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Last week, if you missed the live show you can

833
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.280
always catch to be recorded podcast. We were on air

834
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:36.440
with Colin O'Neill talking about his new book, Take Control

835
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.119
By Giving Up Control, the Value Centered Fast Trek for

836
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.840
Organizational Growth, where he offered the ever system that he

837
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:46.920
created based on value creation across the organization. Next weekly

838
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.639
on the air with Matt Schenker, the founder of matter More,

839
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we'll be talking about his creation of the Empowered Wellbeing Theory,

840
00:49:53.880 --> 00:50:00.880
transdisciplinary bio bio bio psychosocial spiritual model for understanding human

841
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.559
wellbeing and the work they are doing to harness the

842
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:06.840
best of AI and behavior science to empower the future

843
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.800
of work and what they call work four point zero.

844
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See you there, and remember that work is one of

845
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the best means of realizing our potential and making the

846
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impact we crave.

847
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So let's work on Purpose.

848
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We hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure to

849
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tune into Working on Purpose featuring your host, doctor Elise Cortes,

850
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.920
each week on W four CY. Together we'll create a

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world where business operates conscientiously, leadership inspires and passion performance,

852
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.400
and employees are fulfilled in work that provides the meaning

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and purpose they crave. See you there, let's work on purpose,