Elevating Vitality at The Viktor Frankl Meaning Academy

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FORCY Radio. What's working on Purpose? Anyway? Each week we ponder the

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answer to this question. People ache
for meaning and purpose at work, to

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contribute their talents passionately and know their
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In our program, we provide guidance
and inspiration to help usher in this

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world we all want working on Purpose. Now, here's your host, Doctor

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Release Cortez. Welcome back to the
Working and Purpose program. They're donating again

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this week. Great to have you. I'm your host, Doctor Elise Quartez

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joining you a live from Dallas,
which is home base for me. If

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we've not met yet, you don't
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organizational logo therapist, speaker and author. My team and I at Eleis Quartez

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to a vibrant workplace. There people
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together at a least Quartez dot com. Now let's get into the program today.

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We have with us today three logo
therapist and co founders of the Victor

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Frankel meaning Academy of Meaning. They
are doctor Bahu Haalev also affectionately known as

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b Doctor Dan France and me,
doctor Elise Quartez. Will be discussing our

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perspectives on some of the key issues
confronting individual and organizations today. How long

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will therapy helps address those issues and
the work we are doing at the Victor

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Frankel Academy of Meaning to elevate meaning, purpose and resilience in the lives of

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our clients. Be joined us from
Denver, Colorado, and Dan joins us

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from self ben in Indianapolis. Guys, welcome to working on Purpose. Good

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night. Are you to be with
you again? Good morning? Is it

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great to be on the other side
of the mic. Well, we're going

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to interview you because you're part of
the Meaning Academy as well. So since

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you both have your own respective shows, let's do this first. Let's let's

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let I purpose. They did not
give a lot of introduction to either of

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you because I wanted you to do
it yourself and your own, your own

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way. So let's first do introductions
so that our listeners and viewers know who

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they're with. Doctor Dan, Will
you go first? Absolutely so, Doctor

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daniel A. Frands. You can
find my website at daniel A Franz dot

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com. It's much easier to just
go to doctor Dan. I am a

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clinician and consultant and coach in private
practice here in the South in Indiana area.

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But with the power of zoom and
all these other technologies, I work

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with people all over the world.
My passion for meaning has a lot to

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do with doctor Victor Frankel's man search
for Meaning, and ever since reading that

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of dive very deep into that to
try to help individuals, groups and organizations

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really find a way to first understand, but then to bring the concept of

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meaning to their lives and to their
days. Ah. And by the way,

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you've got a great radio show voice, right, thank you, b

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What about you? I am most
people choose be so I am here in

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Denver, Colorado, where a family
and I moved from Israel about three to

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four years ago. At this point, I am a rabbi by training,

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as well as a doctoral degree in
ministry and in local therapy, and I

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am very passionate about, as both
of you, the work of doctor Victor

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Frankel. I've been really touched by
his work personally for about twenty five years

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at this point and professionally really incorporating
it into my both work as a rabbi

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and then now as a logotherapist.
And I wanted to be a part of

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scaling his mission and his message and
was fortunate enough to be brought into alignment

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with you two great souls and now
we are doing the work of scaling this

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important mission and message of doctor Victor
Frankel, meaning centered not only therapy.

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I want to say it. I
can't say strongly enough. I know I

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speak for all of us. Therapy
is a component of it, but it's

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also we call logo philosophy a way
of living and being in the world where

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meaning and purpose is at the center
of our lives. And I work with

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individual clients as well as organizations,
bringing both his work as well as Maybe

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you can see behind me if you're
looking or listening, I'll tell you it's

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the Enneagram. I'm a passionate practitioner
of the Enneagram and ancient roadmap, and

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I think it works really synonymously with
the insights of doctor Frankel. So listeners

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and viewers, as you can tell, I'm hanging out some real slackers here,

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right. These guys are both really
slackers if you don't know me,

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listeners and viewers. So my work
is really my PhDs in human development.

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I'm a logo therapist like my two
fellow comrades are, and my work is

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really in management consulting to activate meaning
a purpose inside organizations. But I will

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say that my work. My attraction
to logotherapy really began in my early mid

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twenties when I had the great opportunity
to live abroad in Spain in Brazil.

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Great life. You know, I'm
twenty six years old with a live in

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made so for a gardener problem in
the world, no real cares in the

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world, And that is where I
discovered that we humans actually don't do well

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when we're just consuming life. We
actually need to be of service. And

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that's where my hunger and my appetite
for Victor Franko's work was really ignited.

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So that's where it started, and
ever since I've been on the path of

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working to be able to help organizations
to activate meeting a purpose. So that's

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where it all began for the three
of us. Let us next visit,

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if we can our perspectives on what
we're seeing in the world in terms of

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some of the biggest, the bigger
issues that are confronting individuals. First,

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what are you guys seeing in your
work, your experiences? What are we

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up against? Sure? I actually, at least I was writing down the

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word you just used. We're not
at our best when we're consuming life.

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And I think that's what I see
a lot in my clinical and coaching work

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is we live in a culture that
really is bent on encouraging us, motivating

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us, pushing us to consume and
consume so that companies and corporations or whatever

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it is can continue to post three
percent growth that's been going on for about

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one hundred years now, at some
point. Three percent growth every year is

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unsustainable as a human being, right, we cannot support that. And I

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think that is what many individuals are
struggling struggling with is determining, you know,

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where is my meaning in life?
After I've consumed everything I can possibly

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consume, after I've bought everything I've
been told to purchase, why am I

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still not happy? And they eventually
wind up with their physicians saying, I'm

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not just feeling that great? And
what do physicians do. I love our

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physicians, our medical staff out there, but they do what physicians were trained

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to do, and they make prescriptions, they write prescriptions, and it still

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doesn't work. And so well as
we know, I think meaning is the

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answer. But right now, I
believe that the consumerism and b and I've

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talked many times about the nihilistic attitudes
that are starting to filter into the culture

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are some of the biggest problems we
face. Thanks Dan, what about you

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be? What do you see in
Well, Dan's taken the meaning he's chief

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meeting officer in the Victor Franklmani Academy, you're, of course chief purpose officer.

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And that leads me with chief resilience
officer, because our mantradmission is meaning

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purpose and resilience, and so I'm
going to touch on resilience, although of

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course we all deal with all three
of those, So resilience, resilience,

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resilience, resilience. I love Victor
Frankel. I love his mission. I

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love his message because it was not
born out of privilege, you know,

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a very popular word today. It
was not born in comfort, for sure.

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It was born in a very difficult
period in human history. It was

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actually born prior to the Holocaust,
but certainly battle tested, proven out in

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the horrors of Auschwitz, Treblinka,
where else. It was in four different

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concentration camps. And he demonstrated,
not only preach, but demonstrated resilience,

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a life of resilience. And I
see today this is the number one thing

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people are seemed to be lacking across
the board. We live at a time

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in human history, where we've never
been safer, we've never been more comfortable,

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We've never had more, you know, at our fingertips than we do

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today. Now you wouldn't guess that
by watching the news or listening to your

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neighbors. But unequivocally, we have
it better than the wealthiest people one hundred

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or thousand years ago, for sure, and yet very little. It takes

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very little to bring us to our
needs, to bring us to a halt.

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And what I see across the board
is people need resilience training, and

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I believe the mission of our Meaning
Academy is set out to do just that.

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Gosh, guys, I sure love
the company I hang out with.

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So my perspective on the matter comes
from when I'm out speaking to audiences,

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and I like to talk a lot
about you know, talking Gusto is kind

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of one of the things that I
mentioned, And when I'm out speaking to

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audiences, I asked the audience,
so what are you passionate about? And

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what I have been totally amazed by
consistently is as soon as I deliver that

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question, there's this pause in the
audience as they consider what the answer is.

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And then I realize I can see
it on the forehead that the vast

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majority of them do not have an
answer. They do not know what they're

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passionate about. And I'm like,
wow, one precious life, and you

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do not know what you're passionate about. So not only that, right,

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it's what it's They don't know what
really matters to them either, So that

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that vacancy that and then then then
there's an activation to reach for Oh wow,

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and then I know they need me, right, they need me to

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be able to help them activate that. So that's what I've been seeing is

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that people are literally going through life
debt. They're walking through life debt and

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they just didn't know it. And
by the way, I've been a card

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carrying member of myself, so I'm
not making any judgment here, um,

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but that's what I what I've been
seeing. Stakes are high, Um,

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not knowing you're as you're describing it, your purpose, you're why? Right,

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just to boil it down to one
word not made popular by Simon Sinek,

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made popular by Frederick Nietzsche, and
who you know was picked up upon

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by doctor Frankel. Those who have
a why can endure anyhow. And so

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I think we're all saying the same
thing from sort of a different angle of

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describing the elephant. Because if you
know your why, you'll have greater resilt

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alliance when life, you know,
brings you all kinds of challenges and tragedies.

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M I want to go just for
a moment here to what what what

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what works confronting organizations? You know
that? And I'll start with this one

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because I see it very, very
very front and center in terms of organizations

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today. I can't tell you the
number of leaders that I have spoken to

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that are like pulling their hair out
trying to figure out what to do to

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address that that people don't seem to
They say, people don't seem to want

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to work, and they don't want
to put forth their best effort, and

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they don't want to stick around.
So that's some of the ailes that I've

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been hearing. And I do want
to address a perspective from the pandemic that

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I think has emerged. But what
are you guys seeing? What are organizations

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up against today? From your perspective? You know, at least I really

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agree with all those statements. People
don't want to work for an organization where

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they don't find meaning or purpose in
the work that they do right, and

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I believe we've we've you know,
our industrial revolution is maintain a great economy

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for over one hundred years. But
we are having this awakening where people are

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realizing that life is about more than
forty or fifty or sixty hours a week

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feeling soul sapped, and so they're
searching for that, and organizations that are

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on the front end of that are
doing very well. Unfortunately, in my

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experience, they are a few and
far between, but I see more and

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more getting on board every year,
and those that don't, I feel we'll

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be left behind. I agree,
you know, I counsel a lot of

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people in general, men in particular, around sort of a midlife period where

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they're sort of peeking in their professional
lives, and was that saying. I

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climbed the ladder of success to realize
it was leaning against the wrong wall,

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and so I spent a lot of
my life talking them out of leaving.

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Where As I say, it changing
their context. Sometimes it's easier to change

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your context than to deal with the
content. But the real work is not

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context because context is out of our
control. Context and my experience is irrelevant.

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If Frankel can find meaning in a
concentration camp. You can find meaning

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at IBM or wherever you're working and
change your content, change your inner experience,

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change your attitude, change your philosophy
and direction in life. I am

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not saying there's not a time and
place to change your context, whether it's

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a partner, whether it's a job, but start where you stand. And

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so many people, including my father, so for me, it's personal throw

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away their lives pursuing something outside of
themselves, and it's never outside of yourself.

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So beautiful articulated. I want to
speak to something that you kind of

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start. You allude to their dan
and that is I wanted to get both

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of your perspectives on how you see
the pandemic has altered what people want from

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their lives and work. What do
you think has changed for people since the

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pandemic? Well, I certainly think
people have realized that they can have more

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more balanced Maybe I think what we
saw in the work from home stages and

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and you know shutdowns of economies local
and national, really brought people back to

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what's important in life, you know, being around their family, whether they

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considered it the blessing of being with
their family or being stuck with their family

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day in and day out. Right, like we learned to cope differently without

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all those outside consumer influences. And
then we realize when things started to return

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to normal, we still wanted what
was good in that And I think now

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that's what we're placing, is people
looking to bring that back into their lives.

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Oh gorgeously, said Bum. I'll
play the role of the pessimist.

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right. I gotta find I gotta
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and I don't believe in epiphanies.
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it lasts for about twenty seven minutes
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was. I've done five hundred funerals
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as a rabbi, I think people's
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I've seen that with the pandemic.
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being, and now here we are
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rhythms, the routines. I do
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can happen, but it's an inside
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know, the next thing is around
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we're not moving, if we're not
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values, then I come back to
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today, the context becomes irrelevant interesting. I had a great conversation on air

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with Dr Ron Jakalotti, who wrote
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said in our conversation, and I
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perspective on the pandemic was that it
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people say they want more oftentimes and
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what I believe what they're asking for
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want more connection, They want something
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fulfilled and that life really matters.
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people aren't careful, and we don't
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that people stay present to that which
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they will go back to that place
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everything was right where it was before. So I do believe that we have

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to be cautious about where we are
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are always opportunities to change. But
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you know, and you could change
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with soccer. Prior to the pandemic
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afterwards people were on their best behavior
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of years out we're back to angry
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you know, I do believe,
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enough. I do believe an inner
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to ride these opportunities out, find
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lasting kind of change in our life. I just don't think that we

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can bank on the challenge of the
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I'm now, I'm different. M
got it. On that note, let's

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take our first break and listen to
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been talking about here and give it
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doctor Eli's Cortez. We've been on
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known as B and doctor Dan Franz. We've been talking abouit about what's going

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on in the world that we believe
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and companies. After the break,
we're going to talk about how locotherapy can

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actually serve those needs. Stay with
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Elise Cortez is a management consultant specializing
in meaning and purpose. An inspirational speaker

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and author, she helps companies visioneer
for a greater purpose among stakeholders and develop

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purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures
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how to get your employees working on
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Now back to working on purpose.
Thanks for stating with us. Before

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I do want to announce that I'm very

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excited to bring to you the Purpose
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with Joilie, an organization that teaches
mindful practices to build happy, healthy,

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resilient world, and my firm,
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Dallas in March and finishing with Virginia
Beach in October to find our tribe and

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meaning, purpose and joy. You
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and planned events at Gusto dashnow dot
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check out what we're doing here,
find the event that you want sign up

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and we'll see you there if you're
just doing the program today. My guests

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are my colleagues doctor Bahu Kakalevi also
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I'm your host, Doctor Leise Cortez. So for this next big guys,

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what I really want to do is
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that we keep banting about that I
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as we talk about the concepts of
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to how we can address some of
those issues that we've talked about in the

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first segment here. So how about
you Dan, first? Are what are

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help us distinguish some of the aspects
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as as pre eminent or prominent in
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of my favorite things to prescribe,
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what one of my professors call,
I believe with doctor Franklin actually called it

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the meaning triangle. There are three
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through our creative work or through our
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involves work. If work allows us
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meaning in there, but as well
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our experiences. I love to travel. I love to travel with my family

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sometimes most of the time, but
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enjoy different sites and sounds and general
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right particularly our attitudes through difficult times, through struggling and through suffering, we

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can choose to be downtrodden and depressed
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we can choose to find meaning,
to find purpose, to find opportunity in

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difficult times. So through those three
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attitudes, and our attitudes towards life, we can discover meaning. And I

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find that to be something again.
I think I took two minutes to describe

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that, something so simple to prescribe
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on a daily basis. I'll also
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I when I'm out speaking and I
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both did the same, both on
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is it's central concern. It's central
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central concern, our main preoccupation is
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our central source of motivation and energy. I find it. It's amazing when

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I share there with audiences how people
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do their work, to perform well, then supply more meaning or help them

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find more meaning. Being my apologies. If I look like I'm being assailed

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by a moth, it's because I
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I'm trying to, you know,
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the context, So the essence for
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Dan just said is the power to
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the pandemic or whatever is not in

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my control, but my response to
my circumstances. So empowering people, teaching

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people how to take back their power
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come alive when they realize that that's, as doctor Frankel said, yours until

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your dying breath. You know you're
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and yet within you there is still
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no thing can take away from you. And when people start to get

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back to that, I see there
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life profession all come to life in
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feel powerless, like a victim in
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with a short story, and then
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from you Dan as well about your
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favorite parts that you like to work
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postdoc meeting in work and identity research, I interviewed different kinds of professions in

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one hundred and fifteen people total,
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work and what it meant to their
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interviewing a chef and he said,
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I'm just hate in life right now. I said, I definitely want

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to. I want to understand your
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restaurant, I interviewed him, and
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this man fell into tears five times, openly. The whole restaurants full

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and this here's the main chef right
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and he said, you know,
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I have I got this job.
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My family's out Friday Sturday night,
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stuck here. I owe my ex
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I gotta pay that, and I
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I want. And my boss is
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egg shells around here. And it
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I finished interviewing him and that the
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to make sure that it was right
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fifteen modes of engagement from my analysis, and all the way from the most

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engaged, fulfilled one, which is
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living my purpose. And the very
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awful one that I found was existential
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the one that I found that he
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design was, Let me come back
and share. Here's my modes, Here's

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how I did it. Here's the
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Do you agree and do you think
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one? So I was not looking
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an existential crisis? So the phone
rings, he picks right up and he

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goes, doctor c great news,
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it's about six levels up, you
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read the transcript, I gave it
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mother, and they both stopped.
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the way that I was feeling,
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piece, and that our connection,
and there was there was more support and

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connection and offers to help, and
more conversation happened out of this, and

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he said, I still work at
the same place. He said, I

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still have the same crappy hours.
I still have the same screamer boss.

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But what had come to understand is
that I've got a great job. I

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make really good money. I could
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my kids are actually really proud of
where I work. And nothing has changed

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except his attitude the way he has
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of just kind of what you were talking

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about there being Dan. Yes,
I just love it. I want to

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answer one of the questions you asked, and there who wants to tell people

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they're in existential crisis? This guy, I do. I love that right,

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be right as as because as as
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that really so many people in existential
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safest, wealthiest times in human history, yet so many people in this existential

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crisis. So who wants to point
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only when we know can we do
something about it. And that's really the

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fun of what we get to do
is to point it out to people and

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then share with them the different ways. I love this idea. So many

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other people what would they have said
to this chef, will get out,

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find another job, go do something
different. And what he needed to do

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was shift his attitude. And Doctor
Frankel tells us that and Doctor and the

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Soul his chapter on meaning at work, right, It's it's not the job

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that you do that gives it meaning, right, it's how you approach it.

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It's your attitude towards it. And
that's so important to help people learn.

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you help that individual find that and

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help them to break through that existential
crisis. It was incredibly satisfying and by

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the way, really quick and then
be I'd love to hear a bit more

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about your perspective on these different local
therapy principles that you like to use work

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with so the conflicted fit mode of
engagement is for people that generally are working

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in the right kind of work,
but probably in the wrong environment, they

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don't get to fully express. So
he was still he was doing the right

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work, but he's still been exactly
in the environment. But it's okay.

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He can deal with it for now
because he's now developed some cooping mechanisms in

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a way to choose his attitude.
So I just wanted to make sure I

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distinguish that for those are relax so
great, he's in conflicted fit. That

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doesn't sound good either, and it's
not optimal, but it's better. What

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other things do you like to work
with in logotherapy? I would say that

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is that is to me, the
central place I come back to over and

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over with every single client, all
day, every day, which is right

409
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here right now, as doctor Frankel
talked about bearing your burden and really seeing

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the burdens, the challenges, the
tasks in front of us as the pathway

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to meaning, because it's just too
easy in our society to romanticize a future.

412
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If you know how many people have
said to me, I just if

413
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I had more money, and I'll
challenge them because that's how you know I'm

414
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wired. You wouldn't be happier.
I know you would, because I work

415
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with the version of you that just
move the decimal point. One more spot,

416
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two more spot. It's never enough. And until you make your defiance

417
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stand where you are, to choose
to see the challenges in front of you

418
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as a pathway to meaning. It's
constantly frustrating. But the moment you make

419
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that, as I say, you
flip the script on that and the burden

420
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is the pathway everything changes. Here's
the work is right here, right now.

421
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Doing this burden, Carrying this burden
is a pathway to meeting people's lives

422
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change around that. Yeah, if
I can jump in on that, I

423
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think, just to tie both your
stories together, that individual the chef's opportunity

424
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to choose could have been I'm going
to choose my change my situation, or

425
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I can change this environment. Maybe
I can point out, wow, this

426
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culture really needs to change. That's
one of the things I enjoy doing is

427
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bringing the MBTI, the Myers Briggs
people's different types and the way they operate

428
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in the world into an organization and
pointing out, Okay, here's all the

429
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.559
people you have, here's how they
operate. How can you help them find

430
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meaning and create a culture of meaning
and purpose and resilience, so people want

431
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to work there. Not that you're
losing people and can't retain them, it

432
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can engage them, but that you
have so many applicants that you're just flooded

433
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with really hard working, good people
that want to be in your organization.

434
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.519
Well, that is definitely the work
that I'm out to try to help companies

435
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to Dan, So I love how
you said that. Let us grab our

436
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last break here. I'm your host, Talctor Elie's Cortez. We've been on

437
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the air with my colleagues doctor about
Who Kalevi also known as b and doctor

438
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.480
Dan Franz. We've been talking a
bit about what logotherapy is and how it

439
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.279
actually helps the issues that we were
talking about at the beginning of the first

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segment. After the break, we're
going to talk about the work that we

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are doing together at the Victor Frankel
Meaning Academy Academy of Meeting State Whos will

442
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be right back. Doctor Elise Cortez
is a management consultant specializing in meaning and

443
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purpose. An inspirational speaker and author, she helps companies visioneer for greater purpose

444
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:17.279
among stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership
and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment,

445
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performance, and commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to invite a

446
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lease to speak to your organization,
please visit her at Elise Cortez dot com.

447
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:36.319
Let's talk about how to get your
employees working on purpose. This is

448
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.759
working on Purpose with doctor Elise Cortez. To reach our program today or to

449
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open a conversation with Elise, send
an email to elease a l I se

450
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at Elise Cortez dot com. Now
back to working on Purpose. Thanks for

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sting well us and welcome back to
working on Purpose. I mentioned in the

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last about the Purpose and enjoy to
ward that we've been launching. The two

453
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latest books that I wrote that are
part of that tour are The Great Revitalization,

454
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How activating meaning and Purpose can radically
enliven your business, which helps leaders

455
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to learn how to build it elevating
and high performing cultures in leadership. The

456
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other latest book is Coloring Life,
How Loss invites us to live more vibrant

457
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lives, which helps people navigating loss
to transform to growth and vitality. You

458
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can find both on Amazon if you're
now just joining us. My guests are

459
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my colleagues doctor Bahu Kalevi also known
as b and doctor Dan Franz. I'm

460
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:34.440
your host, doctor Les Cortez.
So for this last bit, let's talk

461
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about what we're doing together. So
let's talk about and share where this whole

462
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idea of the Victor Frankel Academy of
Meaning King came from and what we're up

463
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to. That's got to be on
you, B. Good call, at

464
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least I totally agree. For I
don't know, twenty five years, I've

465
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been in a community building business.
Happened to be as a rabbi, it

466
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happened to be in a synagogue for
most of that time. But then I

467
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left. I went to the entrepreneurial
world, and I was living in Israel

468
00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:12.679
in the Silicon Valley of Israel and
Tel Aviv called startup Nation, and I

469
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:17.000
realized tribes and communities come in all
forms, and this this was my new

470
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:21.480
tribe, this was my new people. And then I left there and came

471
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.679
back to the States and realized I
need a tribe. I don't really care

472
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:29.599
what the form is. I just
cared that it's built around values, shared

473
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:34.599
values, purpose meaning, And for
about five six years have been sort of

474
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:39.239
longing for that communing that community of
meaning seekers as we call them. And

475
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so a couple of years ago connected
with Dan and more recently connected with you

476
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:50.360
Elise, and have been just enamored
by our shared vision of we need a

477
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.199
meaning tribe and it can be virtual, it also will be in person.

478
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And the world right now is hungry
for meaningful community and so really that's been

479
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:07.000
my driver for a very long time. But now it's taking shape around Victor

480
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:12.480
Frankel's philosophy and bringing people together around
meaning, purpose and resilience to build a

481
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:19.039
community. Pretty darn awesome, right, I'm I'm exceedingly proud to be part

482
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.679
of this, guys. I mean
just really, I do pinch myself sometimes

483
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:28.079
going how in the heck did this
ever happen? So let's talk about So

484
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for our listeners and viewers that are
going, okay, so what is this

485
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:36.679
thing you know all about? So
who you guys have had various experiences conversations

486
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.840
with our our with our clients and
the people that are coming to our community.

487
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From your perspective, share what you're
hearing, Why people are showing up?

488
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:50.039
Why do people want to be on
the meaning Mastermind calls? Why do

489
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they want to be part of the
Facebook community. Why are they partaking of

490
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:58.440
the programs for so many reasons?
At least, I think what we've all

491
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encountered is people they feel this internal
calling, but they're not sure how to

492
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:09.440
identify it. Right. There's an
intuitive need for this meaning that most people

493
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.000
are experiencing, and when we bring
that up to them in different ways,

494
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:20.880
whether it's it's mothers at home with
their kids or CEOs of corporations, they

495
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:22.599
say, wow, yeah, that
really makes sense. Where do I get

496
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:28.639
more of that? We all just
shared a podcast, a pretty popular one

497
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.559
yesterday, of two people talking about
this. Yeah, this this Victor Franklo

498
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.880
guy, he really had some things
to talk about, but we need to

499
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.920
know more, and all of us
said, hey, we got it.

500
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.400
We know a whole bunch more,
and we just can't wait to share it.

501
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:46.360
So I think there's a very I
don't nearly primal calling to discover meaning,

502
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:52.639
to find meaning, but many people
just it's been buried right of One

503
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.119
of the great analogies I had in
my studies was many of us our soul,

504
00:36:55.239 --> 00:37:00.639
our spirit is this anchor, and
right now that anchor is muddied and

505
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:05.159
buried in the muck, and our
role is local therapist, local philosophers at

506
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.440
the Menia Academy is to help people
uncover that anchor, to find that that

507
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.119
human spirit and what's calling to them
and how to discover mean. Yeah.

508
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:21.119
This morning, I was just at
a yoga class and the teacher degenerated into

509
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:24.440
what I call yoga babel, and
it was just like this message, I

510
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:29.440
didn't know what you're saying. I
like she was trying to impart a meaning

511
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.639
message and everybody's just kind of looking
like, I'm not sure what to do

512
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.840
with that. People are hungry,
you know. These are the institutions that

513
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.559
you know, churches and synagogues and
rotaries. These were the places people used

514
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.119
to go for community and for messages. Most of the people I know aren't

515
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:49.480
going to those places anymore. If
you are going, that's wonderful, and

516
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.639
I encourage you to keep going.
But most of the people population is looking

517
00:37:52.760 --> 00:38:00.719
for both a place to gather around
these ideas and a structure, a message,

518
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.360
a mission that has withstood the test
of time and makes sense. And

519
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:09.679
this makes sense. Yeah. So
what I'm also hearing and very present too,

520
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for the people that seem to be
showing up with us, is this

521
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.719
this leaning end. So so some
people, of course are trying to deal

522
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.800
with a loss or something has gone
horribly wrong in their lives, and they're

523
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.960
trying to figure out how to how
to how to move forward, and so

524
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:28.199
dealing with pain, the pain of
life kind of thing, or the loss

525
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.400
of life. So we see that, and I what's been present for me

526
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:36.920
too, even just recently in some
of our meaning mastermind calls, is just

527
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:44.039
this this reach for connection, meaningful
connection connection that where we're actually talking about

528
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:47.440
things of substance. We're not talking
about the weather or you know, something

529
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.239
silly about what's happened on in politics
or whatever, but we're really talking about

530
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.679
the essence of life here. So
that's some of the things that I've been

531
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seeing. And then in addition to
that, really seeing people wanting and recognizing

532
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:02.960
that they can be turned on by
their own lives, they can do it

533
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.719
themselves from the insight out, and
that they just need a little bit of

534
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.039
help, a little encouragement into your
point structure, away a philosophy and approach

535
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:16.119
to be able to activate those meaning
systems and that intrinsic motivation to realize the

536
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life that they really want for themselves. One thing I would add is one

537
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.239
of the Doctor Freckle's contemporaries, Carl
Jung, had an idea that there's a

538
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:28.599
morning of life in an afternoon of
life, and they're just different sets of

539
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:34.519
rules. And yet most people I
know are still living in the morning of

540
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.559
the morning of life rules in the
afternoon, And as Young said, what

541
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:42.519
works in the morning will fail you
in the afternoon. Where do you go

542
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:50.840
to learn a new set of rules. I've done so many funerals of successful

543
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:57.400
people who have succeeded mastery in business
as an example, and their parent dies

544
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:01.360
and they're completely ill equipped for this
space because they have mastery in one realm,

545
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.480
but they don't have mastery in the
other realm. And then the other

546
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.800
realm, this afternoon of life realm
the second half of life where you need

547
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:12.320
a place to go, and we
need systems to turn to, and I

548
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:17.400
believe that's a pain point we're addressing. And when we don't have those systems,

549
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:21.519
when we don't have those places to
go, like the Meaning Academy,

550
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.039
what happens when we're ill prepared for
that next phase of life is we see

551
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.719
so often the existential crisis or what
you know it has almost become a joke

552
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:36.760
in the midlife crisis, the successful
businessman buying the expensive sports car and still

553
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.559
not finding meaning in it. So
our goal is to help people realize you

554
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:45.519
don't need the expensive sports car.
You just need maybe a tribe. You

555
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.719
need connection, you need somebody saying
hey, here are some ways to go

556
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.960
find meaning in your life. One
of the things that I appreciate about what

557
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we have created together, the three
of us, is that we also each

558
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.239
bring some respective um areas that we
were drawing on before we came together.

559
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:06.760
Um, I bring up this.
I'm sort of gallops, sort of gallop,

560
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:13.000
sort ofvide strength coach, Um Dan
your mb tire And B you you're

561
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.440
the eneogram guy. And I think
it's really quite unusual that we as a

562
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.599
as an organization can provide these other
ways for people to really better understand themselves,

563
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.400
um within through the of course the
meaning and that the local therapy stuff

564
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.039
that we provide. So I think
that's amazing. And and B I know

565
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:37.360
you have really developed your you know, defy your your your number. Um

566
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.480
I would just challenge because that's what
I do, that idea. I think,

567
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.039
yes, and I'm not the Enneagram
guy. Although I do to myself,

568
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.559
you know, at a cocktail party
that way, just because it's easier

569
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.400
to explain. But you know,
I'd like to have something much funny.

570
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.239
Yes, yeah, other than Dan
and you so um, But I'm a

571
00:41:55.400 --> 00:42:00.719
Frankel guy, and so in your
Frankle teacher, and it happens to be

572
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:07.920
that the niagram is a great delivery
mechanism for his teachings and MBTI and strength

573
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.639
finders, if that makes speak for
you. What I think is also unique

574
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:15.199
about us, and why I call
it defy your number is because you're not

575
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:20.320
an Aneagram number. You're not a
Myer's break set of letters. You're not

576
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:24.920
a strength fighting or label and that
because that goes against the grain of what

577
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:30.400
doctor Frankel taught that you're never those
things. You're the defiant power of the

578
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.960
human spirit. And I believe what's
so awesome about what we're doing is we're

579
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:40.199
usually using these systems to deliver a
much deeper message. One of what you

580
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.800
just said there reminds me that one
of the one of the things that I

581
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.760
love about logotherapy, and I just
I jam on in my work individually with

582
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.760
people as well as organizations, and
in my personal relationships. Is this notion

583
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:58.599
of celebrating the uniqueness of every human
being, helping them to discover that in

584
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.280
themselves, and that there's that's part
of it. That's one of the you

585
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.639
know, the three circumstances or five
circumstances in which we can encounter meaning is

586
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:12.000
finding that uniqueness. I truly agree, and I think that's what the three

587
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.599
of us and the Growing Meaning Academy
can bring to people. If B is

588
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:22.079
a Frankel guy and I'm the NbTi
guy, I would say as an organization,

589
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:27.480
we are a logos group, right
that we bring in Frankel and your

590
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:31.760
strengths, but also the modern research
of doctor Jordan B. Peterson's strength enniogram

591
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:37.760
Mbti. There's so much again going
back to my point earlier, there was

592
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:44.320
so much need for meaning out there. I've seen the word logos so many

593
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.719
places in current modern culture and people
not understanding what it means, but this

594
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.079
inherent call to to find it.
And I think between the three of us

595
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.480
and our growing group of logo nerds, if we'll call them, or logo

596
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:04.760
philosophers, as we're growing meanings meaning
secrets, we are the logo nerds because

597
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.440
sometimes our meaning seekers look at us
saying what does that word mean? And

598
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:13.079
that's what we're here to do is
help people define that that internal call to

599
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.760
find logos, to find meaning.
So we're getting close to the end here,

600
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and I want to be able to
present something for listeners and viewers.

601
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:25.000
A lot of people don't really understand
how meaningful work can be and how what

602
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:28.840
a joy it can be, and
they sly, I don't understand that you

603
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.199
can be passionate about it. So
if we can get toward the end of

604
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.280
the show here and just you know, briefly both of you would do this,

605
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.719
if you would just share what is
it about this work that you find

606
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:45.639
so meaningful? Oh why, I'm
going to go ahead and borrow one of

607
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:51.760
doctor Frankel's quotes, and that through
this work leading up to this and even

608
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:57.679
now since Be introduced himself and brought
us together, at least the idea that

609
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:02.320
you know, to help other peop
people discover meaning is truly one of the

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most meaningful things I get to do
in my life day to day, right,

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And that goes to the idea of
self transcendence when we step outside ourselves

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to help others. Well, some
people would say that kind of altruism is

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a selfish act, right because it
feels so good for us to help others.

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But that truly is I mean,
if we had more people doing that,

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if we could teach more people to
do that, what a wonderful world.

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It could be not a bad way
to spend a day. Yeah,

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I would just add on to that
very sentiment, which is, you know,

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because I mentioned I've done so many
funerals that's really impacted me deeply.

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And legacy. What's my legacy?
What's your legacy? Transcending myself? This

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is the language of Frankel Maslow is
wrong. With all due respect to his

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great contributions, the top of the
pyramid is not self actualization being the best

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version of myself, or if it
is, the only way to get there

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is through giving, through serving,
through duty, through honor, through love,

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and to help people translate that in
practical, actionable ways as as the

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central focal point of their life,
meaning not as um you know, additional,

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But that is why we're here,
and that's the work we're doing on

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every level, and just helping people
remember that and live that. I'm going

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to go back onto the end front
here because I can't argue or say that

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none of what you said before isn't
what also occurs for me. So what

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I'll also add is that for me, why is this such meaningful work?

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Why do I commit to this?
It's not it's not necessarily an easy path

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to do what we've been doing,
to build this what we've been doing,

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but it's irresistible. And the reason
it's irresistible for me is because I'm really

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aware, and this is something we
can get from local therapy as well.

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We each have one precious life.
We do not know when the exit ramp

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is coming, and most of us
really really want to matter. We want

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to know that our life's really meant
something, And it takes something to be

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able to activate the capacity and people
to be able to realize that fullness,

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to reach for that fullness, to
want to give as best they possibly can.

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And I find it absolutely phenomenally magnificent
to be the person that gets to

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be present to that activation component,
to get to literally watch some of these

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molecules change as they reach for that
and realize that there's more in themselves and

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in their lives and they thought there
could be. I totally agree seeing people

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have those aha moments individually is so
powerful. But when those people are a

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part of an organization or a corporation, and that aha moment starts with one

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person and filters through to the group
and maybe to the leadership team, maybe

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to the corporation. Ah, what
a powerful experience that is. And by

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helping them just find some simple changes
they can make to help more people discover

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meaning. I mean, what better
way again, as you said, what

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better way to spend today? And
I would just add one last thing,

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and I call that trickle down transformation
because you know you're the CEO. I'm

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sure lots of leaders are listening to
your show. It trickles down to the

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people around you, to the people
who work for you, to the culture

654
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of the organization starts with you well, and then those individuals that are inside

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that organization then they go home.
Now we trickle this now to these significant

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others in their household, their children, the pets, and then their volunteer

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work into the community and on and
on and on. And I personally am

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thrilled to be part of the stand
to be a positive trickle in the world,

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and very grateful, gentlemen that I
get to serve with you well at

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least, it's certainly an honor to
work with you and Be. Thanks man,

661
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thanks for bringing us all together and
making this happen. I'm so excited

662
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for the work we're doing at the
Meeting Academy and can't wait to see I

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love what you describe at least that
trickle down effect and being able to really

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have a positive impact in the world. Final words, beat before we go

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our separate ways, Well, we're
not going our separate ways because we talk

666
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more than talk to you both more
than I talk to my wife. So

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I can't wait to continue this conversation
and have your listeners join us. The

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Meaning Mastermind is probably the best place
to start Thursday's noon Pacific three o'clock Eastern,

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where we just gathered together as a
starting point for our meaning tribe meaning

670
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seekers just to come and participate in
the meaningful conversation. Awesome, guys,

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it is really great to have you
on my show and get to share the

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work that we were doing together.
I want to thank both of you,

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Dan and Be for being on and
contributing. Yes, you're right, we

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will talk again, but just not
here on this program for at least not

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today. Listeners and viewers, if
you want to learn more about the three

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of us and the work we were
doing at the Victor Frankel Academy of Meaning,

677
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go to the Academy of Meaning dot
com and that's where you can actually

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see You can see the Thursday's calls, and you can sign up for our

679
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.679
newsletter and learned just what we're doing
and just connect. So I'll see you

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next week for another nourishing conversation.
And remember that work is an integral and

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important part of our lives and can
be one of the best adventures and means

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of realizing our potential and making the
impact we crave. So let's work on

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Purpose. We hope you've enjoyed this
week's program. Be sure to tune into

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Working on Purpose featuring your host,
doctor Elise Cortez, each week on W

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four CY. Together, we'll create
a world where business operates conscientiously, leadership

686
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inspires and passion performance, and employees
are fulfilled in work that provides the meaning

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and purpose they crave. See you
there, Let's work on Purpose.