Jan. 27, 2026

Another Tumultuous Era: Why Cultivating Inner Peace Is the Leadership Work of Our Time

Another Tumultuous Era: Why Cultivating Inner Peace Is the Leadership Work of Our Time
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From the Great Depression to the Information Age, and countless times before, periods of upheaval have always reshaped how we live and lead. Today’s convergence of AI, cultural disruption, and evolving workforce expectations is no different—except the pace is faster and the stakes higher. In this episode, Dr. Stephen Post shares insights from Pure Unlimited Love on how leaders can cultivate inner peace as a stabilizing force in uncertain times.

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Elise Cortez.

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Welcome back to the Working and Purpose program, which has

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Today we have with us Stephen Post, PhD, a public speaker,

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social philosopher and scholar and health and social sciences, philosophy

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and global spirituality, as well as an opinion leader, mentor

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and educator. He currently serves as Director of the Center

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for Medical Humanities, Compassionate Care and Bioethics at the Stonybrook

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University Renaissance School of Medicine. Then as a man asked

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an incredibly full and distinguished career prior. He is the

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author of Pure Unlimited Love, Science and The Seven Past

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to inter piece, which we'll be talking about today. He

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joins you today from Stonybrook, New York. Doctor post a

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hearty welcome to working on Purpose.

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Thank you, Elisa. It's nice to be with you.

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It's wonderful.

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As you know, I loved your book, and I've been

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looking forward to having you one here to talk about

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it and share with my listeners across the globe. So

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let's start with since they haven't read a book yet

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and I have, let's start with why you wrote this

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book and what's its promise.

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The world seriously needs love, because we're so divided, and

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we've forgotten how to smile and how to laugh and

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how to have a warm heart. So I wanted to

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write this book at this time. Although I've been working

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on the topic for as long as I can remember,

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even thirty years, forty years. I've written a number of

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books about love and kindness and so forth, but this

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one I think is the best of them all. It's

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written by a certain kind of depth and power and authenticity.

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It's written for the moment, and I love writing. I

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love writing things that will do good for the people

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who read it.

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Works for me, and yes, we do need this right

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now in the world desperately badly. So I am looking

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forward to being able to share what you've written here

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and hope that it will land in our listeners and

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viewers in a way that starts to really open their

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hearts and connect them. But let's talk first about calling.

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It's fascinating to me that you found your calling at

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age seventeen, and obviously it's very clear to me by

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reading it both even cultivating it for a long time

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along with your own spirituality, your piece, your understanding of

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various expressions of the ideas, and I love that you

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understood it. And you also had to really negotiate with

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your parents to litch to convince them to let you

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go after it. So let's hear the story of how

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you discovered your calling so early.

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Well, there is an origin story to this, and it's

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an interesting one. Even when I look back on it now,

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i'm a little bit surprised. I went to a high

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school in New Hampshire and conquered New Hampshire and at

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the age of fourteen, I was tutoring young French Canadian

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kids who came from very destitute backgrounds, and I enjoyed

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it so much, and I knew early on that I

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wanted to be a teacher, which is remarkable for someone

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that young, but I just knew it, and I had

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a lot of support. So life went on. But then

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when I was seventeen, I finished high school and I

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was home. My mentor had found me a job that

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summer in the Bronx, and my parents were completely set

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against it because they thought it was much, much too dangerous. Actually,

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of course, I, being an adolescent male, didn't believe it

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was dangerous in the least right, but nevertheless, we had

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some knockdown, drag out arguments about this for at least

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several days, and I was headed to Swarthmore for college,

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and my mother ultimately she said, no Swarthmore, I'm not

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paying a penny for that if you insist on this

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job in the Bronx. And my father, who'd been a

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lieutenant commander in the Navy and it has a very

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strong personality, he supported her. So really at the end

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I relented and I said, now, Dad, what can I do?

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What can I do this summer? And my dad, who

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was the president of W and J. Sloan's department store

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on Fifth Avenue, he said, you can work and build

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de Bono's lampshade factory, which is in the town of

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Patchog on the South Shore.

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Really close to what she wanted to do, really.

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Very close, very close. I lasted for about two weeks.

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I drove my dad's second hand gray Mercedes one ninety,

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which had seen much better days, to Patchog every morning

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early and I worked cutting card work between two very

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largely shaped Italian women, very nice, and Bill DeBono would

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look over our work with his cigar. And eventually, after

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two weeks, I realized I just am not going to

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do this. So I drove out to West Hampton, which

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is the east end of Long Island, and there I

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met with some of my friends and I decided that

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I was going to go west because I'd had a

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dream about going west, and this was very much in

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my mind and on my heart. So late one night

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I took that Mercedes. It was a Saturday night, and

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I just drove due west through New York, through Manhattan

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that is, and over the George Washington Bridge, and there

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I saw two signs, one said Route eighty west and

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the other said ninety five South. I knew I was

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going west. It was intuitive, and that's how I got

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my start. So as I stopped in the middle of

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Pennsylvania at the Lewisbourg exit because the generator for this

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car had fallen apart, there was no place I could go.

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There were no gas stations around, no telephone booths. So

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I wrote a note to the Pennsylvania State Police, which

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is in the book.

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Yes it is. It's fantastic.

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I wrote in pencil, by the way, because I wanted

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to hear the graph fight rolling understand yep, to the

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Pennsylvania State Police. Please return this car to Henry av

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Post forty four, Davison Lane, East West Islip, New York,

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phone number five one six six nine five six five

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five from his son Stephen, who no longer works in

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the lap Shape factor.

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That's such a great story.

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And that's how I got my start. So I hitched

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a ride out to Chicago in a big white truck

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and then I had a ride with a van full

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of hippie types. And when I got out to Omaha, Nebraska,

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one of them said, so you better call your mother.

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She must be worried stiff, and I did. I got

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out along the highway and I called collect to my mother.

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She picked it up and she said, oh, my god, Stevie,

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you're alive. We thought you were dead. And then she said,

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I can call off the Pinkertons. Now this is really

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very adolescent. I said, Mom, why did you call the Pinkertons.

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Didn't you get my note you left for the state police. Yes,

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that's right, and I won't go into the details. But

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eventually I made it out to San Francisco that summer,

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and I went up to Oregon to read college, and

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that was really the beginning. I just knew that I

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had to put my foot down. My mother eventually recognized

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that they probably should have let me just take that

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job in the Bronx. That would have been on yea

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than Dad having to go out to Pennsylvania. But such

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his life. So I did fine, and I can't say

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too much more about it. But the point is when

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you feel you have a calling, and I felt I

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had a calling, sometimes you have to really fight to

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stick with it. You know, what is a calling for me?

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The first chapter of this book, May You Give and Glow.

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It's how elated people feel when they contribute meaningfully to

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the lives of others, using their talents creatively. And of

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course that's nice if it's sporadic, But if you can

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get to do that every day of your life and

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blur the line between work and play, then you have

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a calling. Then you found your calling. And I've been

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teaching in medical schools for forty years, University of Chicago, Michigan,

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Case Western for twenty years, Stonybrook for seventeen years now.

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And every day I come into my office and I

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feel elated. I have a helper's high because I know

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I'm doing what I want to be doing and I

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feel that I should be doing.

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So celebrate that, doctor post, and I really appreciate that

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you had the wherewithal and the courage and the capacity

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to push back on your parents. And there are so

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many people who don't do that. I meet them then

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in their forties and fifties, and they are then wanting

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to start over, you know, really pursue what really matters

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to them, and that's a whole different way. I'm grateful

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that they get there, but maybe it's a little bit

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cleaner route if you could just do it when you

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know you're already convicted at a younger age.

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So celebrate that you just had that.

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Conviction and you just went for it against the odds.

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Against the odds, and that story didn't live on in

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my family for a long long time.

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It's neither here nor there.

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But I'm from Oregon, we say Oregon, and I really

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wanted to go to Read college and when I was younger,

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so I lived a little.

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Bit vicariously through you through that experience.

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But that aside. So you told the wonderful story of

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how you knew what your calling was and how you

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began to pursue it, and now you spent forty some

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years in it. We would be remiss if we didn't

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start this conversation about your book definding about what you

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mean by pe or unlimited love?

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What is that?

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Well, there are two definitions in the introduction. The first

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one is unlimited love. What is love basically in the

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sort of ordinary, everyday human sense. And I borrow a

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little bit from a psychiatrist from the University of Chicago

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named Harry Stack Sullivan. Yes, and he was very bright,

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he did amazing things, and he had his struggles. But

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he defined love as follows when the well being and

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the security of another is as real to you as

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your own, and sometimes even more so, you love that person.

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So that seems pretty workable. It doesn't rely on ancient languages.

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It's fairly matter of fact. You could use it with

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an old friend in Starbucks who's having a hard time.

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You can do it with your kids as they grow

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older and have to figure out life. But that's basically

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what I use as a definition of love. But then

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what about pure unlimited love? That's a different matter. So

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as I was sitting in this office with Jeff Trilling,

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who was a wonderful colleague of miney just retired, I

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asked him what's your definition of pure unlimited love? And

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he thought very carefully about it. He was a nephew

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of Lionel Trilling, the editor of the New York Review

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of Books, so he had away with words, and very

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carefully he said, pure unlimited love is the first thing

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you will see when you close your eyes for the

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last time, hopefully. So that gets into the metaphysics that

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somehow love is an ultimate reality. And because you're a businesswoman,

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I had a lot of mentoring from Sir John Templeton,

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the investor, and Sir On died in two thousand and

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eight in Lyeford, Key, and as he was dying, he

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realized there was a book that he wanted to write.

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not going to have an opportunity to write it. So

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his son, Jack, who was a pediatric trauma surgeon at

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chop the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, called me on my

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flip phone. I was on Route eighty by the way

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is dying. I said, Jack, I'm so sorry. Is there

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anything I can do? And Jack said, well, actually there is.

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Dad has a favor to ask of you. He wants

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you to write a book which he will not be

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able to write. And I thought carefully about it, because

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that's a fairly audacious thing to do. And I said,

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did he give you a title, Jack? And Jack said yes,

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Ultimate Reality is Unlimited Love. And I was in the

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medical school at Case Western, and I thought about that

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for a moment, and I said, could you go back

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to his bed and ask him if we can get

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a question mark at the end of that, because it

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would take a little of the pressure off me. So,

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you know, plausibility is easier than proof. So I waited

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a minute and Jack came back and he said, yeah,

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Dad says, is ultimate reality, unlimited love question Mark and

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It certainly is. That is so beautiful and what a

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wonderful way. Let's let our listeners and viewers reflect on

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why you wrote this book, why it's so important, and

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Thanks for stating with us, and welcome up to working

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I'm your host, doctor Release Cortes, as I am dedicated

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to helping create a world where organizations thrive because they're

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The Great Revitalization. How activating meaning and purpose can radically

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inliven your business and I rooted to help leaders understand

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dot com if you are just joining us. My guest

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Love Science and The Seven Paths to Inner Peace. So

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before we dive into some of these paths, I want

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to situate for our listeners and viewers how you did this.

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Wheel of Love, which has ten forms of love and

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why they're so important to healing. And I want to

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of them, but one of my favorites of the Wheel

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of Love is the care frontation. I just think that

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that In fact, I already shared that with somebody that

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loved it as well.

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as we can get to and talking about them bringing

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them to life, I would love for you to share

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your choice of one of those Wheel of Love applications

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as we go to kind of help bring the path

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give and glow, and I love that. I love the

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whole idea of you being able to give in a

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way that causes you to glow.

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I just love that.

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Don If you want to say anything else about that,

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you've already kind of mentioned it, but it's up to you.

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suffer with the mistake and assumption that everything is transactional.

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to realize that they have within themselves a certain natural

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affinity for kind giving, and that if they can stay

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in touch with that, they will be happier and healthier,

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and they will probably, as we've shown, live longer. So

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there's nothing wrong with that. It's all positive and you

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don't have to count the paybacks.

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the fourth of July last year, I sat with my

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twenty two year old daughter and we were having a meal,

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they appeared to be like four and like maybe eight

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a picture and he was reading this one of the

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books that I forget what it's called, but it's a

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very very it's a very challenging book for adults as well,

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for alone away. I came up and chatted with them

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and just said something about her drawing, and she.

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me apparently and her, and so I said, can I

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give you a hug? And she said yes. And so

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it turns out that they were from Korea and she

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was the woman was here to join her husband but

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that was just a simple example of this right, and

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I got so much goodness out of that, and it

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It is beautiful, and you know, one of the things

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I was very fortunate to be involved with. When I

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summer of two thousand and eight, and that was just

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before the financial downfall. Yes, and so two thousand and

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nine was a tough year. And I was contacted by

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United Health because they wanted to do a survey of

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adult Americans and they asked them how often did you volunteer?

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did you volunteer in two thousand and nine, and forty

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one percent had done volunteer work. How much? Not a

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whole heck of a lot. One hundred hours for the

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whole year. If you break it down, that could be

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an hour or two a week, not huge. And then

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we asked them questions in positive psychology about how that

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stress levels eighty nine percent, improved my well being ninety

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two percent, and here is purpose for you ninety two

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percent enriched my sense of purpose in life sixty eight percent.

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Volunteering made me feel physically healthier. Recovery from loss and

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disappointment seventy eight percent. It's amazing, actually, And they were

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freed from a lot of anxiety and the feelings of helplessness.

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had been happily married, but now they were struggling a

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bit with not necessarily depression, but they were having to

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adjust to a new life and it wasn't so simple

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for them. And it turns out that the ones who

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could self report that they were helping others in their neighborhoods,

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whatever it might be, they were getting through this process

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of grief and bereavement a little more quickly and in

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a little more lasting fashion. So I got a call

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from a New York society of widows and widowers. There

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is such a thing, and they said, we're having our

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annual talk in Manhattan, and why don't you come in

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and speak with everybody. So I came in. I gave

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a plenary address about this study, and at the end

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there was a guy in the back of the room

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and there are a lot of people there, and he

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started waving his hands quite frantically, and he said, I

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don't care what you say, buddy, I don't do nothing

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for nothing. And there you have it. And what I

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realized was that he was so caught up in that attitude.

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I said, are you happy? He said, no, I've never

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been terribly happy. So we talked about it for a while,

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and I don't know what happened to him, but it

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just shows you that sometimes people are so caught up

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with this idea of you have to get back in

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order to justify giving, or else you're just a sucker.

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They're so caught up in that that it hampers them

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and keeps them from discovering their deeper selves.

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Yeah, So what you talk about that in the book?

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I remember that story. That's interesting. Well, do you want

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to share something from the Wheel of Love that would

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help bring that one to life?

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Well, the Wheel of Love, you know, there are there

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are ten expressions of love. I get up in the

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morning and I pray for half an hour. I meditate

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a little bit and prep myself for the day. Then

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I drive down Route twenty five a on Long Island

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to get the Stonybrook Medical School, which is where I

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am right now, and I'm envisioning. I'm being intentional about

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what form of love I want to into my office

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because I have people I'm responsible for, and I can't

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just talk about love because it's sort of you know,

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what kind of love? Are we talking about? Love of chocolate,

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designer jeans, you name it? So you have to navigate that.

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But you know, once you start talking about the expressions

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of love, it becomes very easy and you have a

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real practical, concrete leadership philosophy. So I'll go with carefrontation. Okay,

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Sometimes you know, one of the people I work with

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has just sort of gotten off track. They're going away

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from what I know is they're better have And I

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don't want to be confrontational. I don't believe in the

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idea of tough love because it usually doesn't work. But

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carefrontation works, and I didn't invent that term myself. I

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have to fess up about that. Yes, pack, Yes, I'm

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Scott Peck who I had been at Case Western Med

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for twenty years. He graduated from there before I got

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a Case, and he wrote a great book called The

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road Less Traveled.

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It was the first book that I read that left

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a major impression on me.

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Yes, that's great, And he uses the word carefrontation. So

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up here in my cabinet, I have a whole file

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of letters between Scottie Peck and myself, and he tells me,

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you need a form of love that straightens people out

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in a loving way and it's not confrontational, but it's

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something deeper. So he said, I give you permission to

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use my word care frontation. So I have that in

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writing in its signed But yeah, carefrontation is an art form.

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And I'm in a department of preventive medicine too, so

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a lot of patients come in here and they have

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00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:54.000
challenges in life that they need to correct. And what

468
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:56.640
you have to do is very respectfully. You have to

469
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:01.480
ask them are you ready for change? And if you are,

470
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.480
what would you like to try to do? Give them

471
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:07.680
a chance in a caring way to feel loved and

472
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:13.119
engaged autonomously as they figure out how they can solve

473
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:15.359
some of their problems. And then I asked them to

474
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.799
write it down and come back in a couple of weeks,

475
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:25.599
which works. So carefrontation is an art form. And we

476
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.400
need it. You know, people have gotten so confrontational in

477
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.480
our culture. It's hard to imagine that some of our

478
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.759
lives could go on in this sort of an environment

479
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.440
at all. Right, So we either get to carefrontation as

480
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.799
an expression of love or we're out of business now.

481
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:49.319
Sometimes people have a great calling, but they get diverted,

482
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:52.759
They get tempted by something with a little more money

483
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.319
or maybe a little more presidious institution, and that takes

484
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:01.720
some carefrontation, because those are the things that really take

485
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:03.839
people away from their true callings.

486
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:09.440
Indeed, Well, what I have found interesting about that using

487
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:11.640
that idea with the people that I work with, the

488
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.720
leaders that I'm out to develop, is when you when

489
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:17.240
they think about, well, I need to have a conversation

490
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.519
with somebody because if they're not performing as well as

491
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.279
they need them to, or I need them to come

492
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:23.599
back closer to.

493
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:24.519
The market or whatever it is.

494
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.480
What I already love about the idea of carefrontation is

495
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:29.680
if you have that in your mind, you're what you're

496
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:31.519
essentially saying is I want to have a conversation with

497
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:35.039
this person because I care about them, So that's the

498
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.799
centrality of it. Whereas if you have that feeling, Oh,

499
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:40.960
I have to discuss this. I have to confront this

500
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.960
person that's negative. So I really love the idea that

501
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.359
you're going to have this conversation because you care about

502
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.400
this person. And I think that's a very different way

503
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.640
of relating with love to somebody who you're out to

504
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:57.079
help elevate. Certainly from the advantage point of leadership, exactly.

505
00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.079
Couldn't be more the case.

506
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:01.799
Well, there are many, many others.

507
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:03.440
I want to get through as many as we can here,

508
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.039
but I just I do want if you can distinguish

509
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:11.119
we were talking about this first path to love as

510
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.160
which was give and glow. You're another path that you

511
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.119
distinguish as may you heal with kindness? How is that

512
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.079
one different from give and glow?

513
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:24.119
Well, it's related. A lot of these things are related.

514
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:28.559
But you know, I'm in a hospital setting here right now,

515
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:32.279
and I've been in medical settings for most of my life,

516
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.119
and you know, people come into medical school because they

517
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:42.319
really want to be kind and caring and compassionate and

518
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:48.720
take good care of people who are otherwise vulnerable, and

519
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:57.319
sometimes they lose that quality. They get routinized. I call

520
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:04.839
it through the routine helping patients, but they lose all

521
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:11.519
the energy of love because love heals, and so you

522
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.680
can heal with kindness. You don't need to be a

523
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.799
doctor or a nurse or have any degrees at all.

524
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.880
That's important. Just our tone of voice, the way we

525
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:26.400
interact with people. That is how we can heal the world,

526
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.680
and that begins with us. You know, it's not easy

527
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.480
sometimes to keep up with it, and you have to

528
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:38.039
do some kind of practice. That's why meditation, mindfulness, prayer,

529
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.880
depending on your tradition, can really be helpful if you're

530
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:46.720
thinking about how to maintain that attitude in your heart.

531
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.680
So I love it and all the best doctors I've

532
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:54.920
ever known, and I've known a lot of great doctors.

533
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:03.359
They've been known for their kindness, for going the extra mile.

534
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:07.599
A little story there about Joe Foley, who was the

535
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:11.480
most famous neurologist of the twentieth century. Camp from from

536
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:14.440
Harvard to Case Western, and he was my mentor there.

537
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:20.440
He's the one who got me there. And Joe would

538
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:27.720
take his students, his residents studying neurology into a patient's room. First,

539
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.960
he'd knock on the door and tell them to make

540
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:36.039
sure that the patient was clothed. Then they would walk

541
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:41.319
in and Joe would sit down, making contact eye contact

542
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:45.519
with the patient at their level, and he would ask,

543
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.480
is there something that I can do to make your

544
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:53.480
stay in this hospital in the University Hospitals of Cleveland

545
00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:00.279
a little more comfortable? And one of these patient I

546
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:03.839
described in the book blurted out she'd had a stroke

547
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.200
and no one knew she could talk at all. She

548
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:10.799
blurted out, I would really like some iced tea with lemon. Yes.

549
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:14.319
Doctor Foley went out, yes, and he got that iced

550
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.640
tea with lemon and he brought it to her and

551
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.559
it was absolutely mesmerizing for all of his students to

552
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.680
see that. And Bob Haney, who's in the book too,

553
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:29.519
Bob is a great human being a physician. Bob never

554
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.759
forgot that. He said it shaped his entire career just

555
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:41.599
seeing doctor Joseph Michael Foley, doctor Foley approach a patient

556
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:43.400
with that level of humility.

557
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.279
I love that in the book. I remember that story

558
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:47.799
as well.

559
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:50.640
Let's let our listeners and viewers also reflect on that

560
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.599
while we take our break. I am doctor Leis Cortez,

561
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.839
who're on the air with doctor pri Stephen Post. He's

562
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.759
a public speaker, social philosopher and scholar and health and

563
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:03.160
social sciences and global spirituality, as well as an opinion leader,

564
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:06.400
mentor and educator. We've been talking about a couple of

565
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:09.639
the paths to pure a limited love and also how

566
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:11.679
to apply them in the end of the real life.

567
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.000
After the rape will continue the conversation. I will also

568
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.639
continue and share a little something about my recent experience

569
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:18.559
since we're talking about medicine and love.

570
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:19.639
We'll be right back.

571
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.559
Doctor Elise Cortes is a management consultant specializing in meaning

572
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.440
and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author, she helps companies

573
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:46.840
visioneer for a greater purpose among stakeholders and develop purpose

574
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.239
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575
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.320
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576
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invite a lease to speak to your organization, please visit

577
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her at eliscortes dot com. Let's talk about how to

578
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:09.079
get your employees working on purpose. This is working on

579
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.679
purpose with doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today

580
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582
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.559
back to working on purpose.

583
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:28.679
Thanks for saying with us and welcome back to Working

584
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.800
on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Release Cortes. By now,

585
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:33.840
you know that this program is dedicated to empowering and

586
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:36.519
inspiring you along your journey to realize more of your potential.

587
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:37.800
So if you want to learn more about how we

588
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.440
can work together to help you elevate yourself through the

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gustinew Academy for leaders and individuals alike, make your way

590
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to gustodesh now dot com and then go to the

591
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training tap and you can find the academy there if

592
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.320
you are just joining us. My guest is doctor Stephen Post.

593
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.079
He's the author of Pure Unlimited Love Science and the

594
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:57.760
Seven Paths to Inner Peace. So I wanted to sharge

595
00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.800
a little bit, as I mentioned before the break, since

596
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:03.119
you know that I just recently had emergency surgery in December,

597
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:07.119
obviously clearly unplanned. I got to experience and be on

598
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.159
the other end of that kindness that you were talking about,

599
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.000
and it definitely facilitated my healing. And I was often

600
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.320
amazed at what the staff was doing, what the nurses

601
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.159
did to try to make me comfortable to listen to me.

602
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.079
It was really amazing at what they did and I

603
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:25.960
really got present too, because I really haven't had to

604
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:29.679
stay like that in the hospital for just what a beautiful,

605
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.360
caring profession medicine really is, especially when practiced with love

606
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.760
and kindness. So I just wanted to share that I

607
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.519
was six days in the hospital and they really made

608
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.159
it beautiful for me.

609
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:43.480
That's wonderful to hear.

610
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.840
Yeah it wow, who it was amazing. So not that

611
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:49.360
I want to go back in a New Yar future

612
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:50.840
or anything like that. I did go back to tell

613
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.239
them all thank you once I was upright and moving about,

614
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.920
but not that I want to return visit. Okay, So

615
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.079
I cannot let you off this this show because it

616
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.199
just wouldn't be right if we didn't talk about one

617
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.679
of your seven paths, which of course is may you

618
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.679
follow your callings. We've already talked about that somewhat with

619
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.360
your own journey. But a couple of things that I

620
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:14.280
just wanted to call out from your book that really

621
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:15.719
spoke to me that I would love for you to

622
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.079
comment on, you know, And this is why I want

623
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.360
our listeners and viewers to get more present and connected

624
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.239
to this, because if they don't, if you don't know

625
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:25.960
your purpose yet or you're not connected to it.

626
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:27.280
This just may help you.

627
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.039
But you know, this idea that you talk about is

628
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.400
that you know, a calling is more than just a

629
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.880
job or an occupation. It's it's a feeling of being

630
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.199
beckoned to draw on your abilities. And that is what

631
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.119
I have experienced, that feeling being compelled that I must

632
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.880
do this and that it was obedient to it. And

633
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:47.039
you say, just as we have a unique that what

634
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.360
we have is unique. Is so just as we have

635
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:54.480
a unique something about ourselves, there's this effort asent energy

636
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.679
that never that can if we don't live a purpose,

637
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.000
it never really engages with the world, and then therefore

638
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:03.280
or we don't really get this opportunity to really reach

639
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.800
more deeply into our potential. And that's what I wanted

640
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:10.000
to speak to is what I've learned is what for

641
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.719
me is and for others is there's something about the

642
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.639
notion of reaching our higher potential through our purpose that

643
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.000
I think compels people about purpose, but they don't understand that,

644
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:21.639
they just feel it. So could you speak a bit

645
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.599
more to this notion of may you find and follow

646
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:26.960
your callings in that vein?

647
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:31.400
Yeah, so following to find your callings, I mean We

648
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.119
have a lot of young people who volunteer in this hospital,

649
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.199
and I sometimes debrief with them, and they're doing all

650
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:41.199
kinds of things for the first time. They are high

651
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:45.000
school students. For example, they might be in this department

652
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:51.000
for a week, they might be in the surgical suite

653
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.000
for a week. They'll do different things because they want

654
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.119
to try to explore and find out what they feel

655
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.599
strongly about and what they feel draws on their talents.

656
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.360
So volunteering is very important.

657
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:05.679
Yes, Gub and Glow.

658
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:08.880
You know it is so key because you can also

659
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.840
discover yourself in that process. Yes, yes, now you know

660
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:21.719
as far as as far as your question goes, repeat

661
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:22.519
that one more time.

662
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.320
It was the notion of there's what I called that

663
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.239
on that little bit of your book. Was the connection

664
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.880
between when you really give yourself over to following your calling,

665
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:38.599
that you're really tapping into a deeper connection of potential

666
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.199
within yourself. You're drawing on more of your deeper talents

667
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:44.480
and energies, which calls forth a deeper sense of potential

668
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:45.199
from yourself.

669
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:48.719
Yeah, because if you're just fitting in at your job

670
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.719
and a lot of education, I'm afraid to say focus

671
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:55.760
is on just getting people to a point where they

672
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.760
can fit in with their jobs. But that's really not

673
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.639
what you want, you know, Montessori in the Montessori system,

674
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:09.119
believe that you want to educate people to discover their creativity.

675
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:11.960
When I was in Cleveland, I used to drive out

676
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.960
about forty five minutes to the west on Route ninety

677
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:22.800
to the birthplace of Thomas Edison Milan, Ohio. He was

678
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.000
thrown out of school when he was eleven years old

679
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:31.480
because now mind was completely unfocused, and so he came

680
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:36.000
home to his mother on the farm. She said, Thomas,

681
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:41.760
what you can do is tinker in the in the barn.

682
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:43.880
They had a big barn. It's a big red farm

683
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:48.320
still there. It's a museum. And she said, maybe you

684
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:51.719
can be a light to the world. And you know

685
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:55.800
what he was. So he spent his whole life, he said.

686
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.800
You know, he loved working. He loved what he was

687
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.039
doing so much. It was such a calling for him.

688
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.480
It was so fulfilling that it clearly brought out his best.

689
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.239
And if you think about it, in our world today,

690
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:14.599
so much energy and time and talent is wasted and

691
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.679
lost because people are not educated or encouraged to find

692
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.519
their callings. So this is a little bit embarrassing. But

693
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:27.480
I actually one day was in Penn Station and I

694
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.639
looked around and there were all these wonderful young people,

695
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:34.400
but they were just so morose. They were just heading out,

696
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.960
not going any place or doing anything, and they were

697
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:41.760
smoking and whatever. And I walked up to him, one

698
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:46.119
of them, and I said, do you know that you

699
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:51.079
are a miracle of the universe and a wonder of creation?

700
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.760
That I was out of my mind, and maybe I was,

701
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:57.320
but we talked about it for a while and I said,

702
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.079
I told him that I think everybody as these special,

703
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:07.280
unique gifts, and our calling in life is to find

704
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.119
out how to utilize them in the service of others.

705
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.800
And that's what Picasso said, that's what William Shakespeare said.

706
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:18.440
If you look at philosophy and theology over the centuries,

707
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:20.960
that's what it's all about. And if you can do

708
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:25.679
that and stick with it and not be diverted or

709
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.280
tempted away from it, you will have a glorious life.

710
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:32.960
I think that was another thing that stuck with me

711
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.440
Doctor Post about the idea of calling, was that it

712
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.559
does speak to that you're calling from or pulling from

713
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:43.920
your best talents. This is the best of you that

714
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.119
you're putting forth. And I think that's another thing that

715
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:48.280
I wanted to celebrate about that that we don't often

716
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:51.559
hear when we're talking about callings or purpose. So I

717
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:53.159
wanted to celebrate that aspect too.

718
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.599
Oh yeah, it's so important. And you know, having a

719
00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:00.159
calling will mean that you never have to work. There

720
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.280
are drudgery elements to every job, including my own. Believe

721
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.079
it or not, sure, but I always come to work

722
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.400
with a smile. I love what I do, and because

723
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:15.119
it's a calling, I'm endlessly creative as I think you are.

724
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.320
You know, I'm just endlessly creative. I never feel depressed,

725
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.920
I never feel slowed down because there's just so much

726
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:27.360
I can do. I just love teaching these brilliant young people. Yeah,

727
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.880
and it's such an honor and you know it makes

728
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:33.079
me happy every day.

729
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:35.119
Isn't that wonderful?

730
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.920
That's what I'm out to help more organizations create or

731
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.800
create an environment for them to experience and step in

732
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.119
two as well. So I am one hundred percent with you,

733
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.199
doctor pos Let's take it on the road.

734
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:47.960
Let's go.

735
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.679
Sure, Okay, there are many other paths. I mean, you

736
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.599
have seven in your book, but I have to have

737
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.320
you talk because I really align with this one as well.

738
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.000
One of the passes, may you cherish the gift of nature.

739
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.840
There are so many people that I meet, doctor Post,

740
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.960
who say I grew up in the cement jungle. I

741
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.559
don't know what you mean. What do you mean nature?

742
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:11.719
I am somebody who I go out and commune with

743
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:14.639
the rain. When it rains outside, the rain talks to me.

744
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.119
So speak a little bit about this path about may

745
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:19.679
you cherish the gift of nature?

746
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:30.679
You know, psychiatrists now without embarrassment, talk about nature deficit disorder. Yep,

747
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:34.599
it's not formal as a diagnosis yet, but I think

748
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:41.280
it will become back. And when you get out into nature,

749
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:49.360
you shut down all of the negative emotions, the bitterness,

750
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:56.519
the hostility, the resentment and so forth, because the awe

751
00:44:56.559 --> 00:45:01.760
of nature. Nature is so awesome. And this is why

752
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.599
people at Berkeley like Keltner and others have written best

753
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:09.000
selling books on awe yes, And you know, awe is

754
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:14.039
such an important feeling to have. But unfortunately, by the way,

755
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.920
when I was at read Jobs, slept on my floor

756
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:20.039
and we read the autobiography with Yogi, just so you know.

757
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.280
That you mentioned that, I was like even more envious.

758
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.760
Yeah, but those are the days. And you know, the

759
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:34.039
thing about having all these wonderful white devices on every

760
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.119
surface in your home is that it keeps us away

761
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:43.559
from one another. We relate to each other through these devices,

762
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:49.519
not person to person. I was up in Canada not

763
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.400
too long ago, and I had a conversation with the

764
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:56.760
guy who got the Nobel Prize for AI. He's now

765
00:45:56.760 --> 00:46:02.440
at the University of Toronto, and you know, so he

766
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:06.719
gave a very very profound address when he received the

767
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:10.519
prize because he said he did not think that this

768
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:13.880
artificial intelligence was going to be to the benefit of humanity.

769
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:17.559
Now it may be in some ways, even in a hospital,

770
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:22.119
can help you read a picture, an image, an X ray,

771
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:30.599
an MRI. But ultimately, if it's dehumanizing, it's counterproductive. And

772
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.760
a lot of our young people, I'm so sorry to

773
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:36.039
say this, a lot of our young people are struggling

774
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:40.880
because they've just been brought up on these devices. I

775
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.119
was with a friend of mine, Nick Duncan, at a

776
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:47.039
French restaurant in Manhattan some years ago, and there was

777
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.360
a three generation family sitting next to us at a table.

778
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.639
Grandma and Grandpa, the parents and the two kids. Two

779
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.039
kids were completely locked in to their devices and they

780
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:00.119
were holding them. They're held up on little stone and

781
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.519
the grandparents. You could see we're trying to get through

782
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:10.280
to their grandchildren with positive psychological messages about gratitude and

783
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:15.400
kindness and creativity. But the kids didn't even batten eye.

784
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.159
And you know, that's what's happening where we wonder why

785
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.280
some of our children are suffering so much, because it's

786
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:29.039
because they're not really in the real world. You're evolved,

787
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:34.559
and you know that we developed our brains to connect.

788
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:40.159
Person to person, not person through machine, right right, right right, yeah,

789
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:41.639
I echo that.

790
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:43.840
In fact, one of your rather pathways is may you

791
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.239
raise kind children. And we don't have time to talk

792
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:47.920
about that, but let's just put that out for our

793
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:51.559
listeners and viewers. That's one of your pathways to pure

794
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:55.320
unlimited love. So we've come to the end. Already goes

795
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:57.760
by so fast, doctor Post. The show is listened to

796
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:00.840
by people around the world. What would you like to

797
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:01.440
leave them with?

798
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:05.800
So I think that we're going through a challenging time

799
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:13.679
right now. However, a quote from Eleanor Roosevelt justfy my grandfather,

800
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:20.079
Edwin Mayne. Post married a woman named Emily just saying that,

801
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.239
and who told me not to put my p's on

802
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:27.039
my fork with my thumb. I preferred. I preferred Emily

803
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:31.320
Post to a lot of people, and she felt that

804
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.760
you all need to get back to basics. We need

805
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:40.599
to learn how to say thank you, how to be

806
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.480
kind to one another, just in the simplest way, especially

807
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.360
when we're young. That the one I really like is

808
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:51.639
Eleanor Roosevelt, and one of her famous quotes the future

809
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:56.159
belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.

810
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.519
Of course, you've got to have dreamers to do that,

811
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.679
So everybody, you just need to start start dreaming, stick

812
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.320
with your dreams, don't give up on them ever, and

813
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:13.480
you will live a fruitful, fulfilling life.

814
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.920
What a beautiful way to finish, doctor Post. I am

815
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.760
so delighted and happy to know you and to be

816
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.320
an enlarged and enlightened by your book and now sharing

817
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:24.880
with the listeners and viewers around the world.

818
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:26.800
Thank you for being on working on purpose.

819
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:29.960
Well, Thank you li Lisa, and keep up your great work.

820
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.039
It's a very important mission. Thank you.

821
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.280
I think I will I'm a bit. I'm a bit

822
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.480
addicted to this calling listeners and viewers. You're going to

823
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.599
want to learn about more about doctor Stephen Posts the

824
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.360
work that he does in his books, including this last

825
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.480
one that he's written, Pure Unlimited Love. You can start

826
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:49.519
by visiting the site Unlimited Loveinstitute dot org. That will

827
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.239
give you a good start to learn about him. Last week,

828
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.840
if you missed the live show, you can always get

829
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.000
to be a recorded podcast. We were on the air

830
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.400
with Green McDonald McDowell excuse me, talking about his book

831
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:03.800
Craft a Corporate Camelot Where Leadership Becomes legend. He drew

832
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:07.360
some alleering comparisons between the lessons we can learn about

833
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:11.079
creating strong culture and leadership fit for today's times from

834
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:14.960
really with legendary King Arthur and his leadership and his downfall.

835
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:17.599
It was quite an interesting way to talk about it. Next,

836
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:19.960
we'll be on the air with Monica Brownie Mitchell talking

837
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:23.079
about her fresh research where she explored the impacts of

838
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:25.800
return to office mandates and ways to mitigate them in

839
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.800
Fortune five hundred companies. This is the topic many companies

840
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.400
are still grappling with, and Monica has a seasoned executive herself.

841
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:34.679
She's been drawing on this research to shed light on

842
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.320
the viable ways forward. See you next week for another

843
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:41.559
educational and nursing conversation. Together, let's lean in and learn

844
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.599
how to create destination workplaces that call forth the best

845
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:48.079
from everyone, build our inspirational leadership capacity, and find ways

846
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:49.480
to do business that betters the world.

847
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.800
Let's work on Purpose.

848
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:56.599
We hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure to

849
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.679
tune into Working on Purpose, featuring your host, doctor Elise

850
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:03.360
court Has each week on W four CY. Together we'll

851
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.360
create a world where business operates conscientiously, Leadership inspires and

852
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.800
passion performance, and employees are fulfilled in work that provides

853
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:13.960
the meaning and purpose they crave. See you there, Let's

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00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.079
work on Purpose.