Women Inspiring Each Other to Greater Resilience, Fulfillment and Effectiveness

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Now listen. In today's program with
us is Jennifer Pestikus, who's the senior

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vice president of business Development at a
Chicago and financial institution. In addition to

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her corporate work, which and also
leverages her experience with her personal company,

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Brave Women at Work, which offers
career and leadership coaching for women. Also

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with us once again is Hope meal
or back from two nineteen when she first

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appeared. She's an executive, small
business owner and author. She's the founder

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of Hunter Street Press, a boutique
publishing company focused on motivational material that positively

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impacts readers. With multiple Amazon bestselling
publications launched. We'll be talking today about

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the book they launched together, called
for Women at Work, Stories of Resilience.

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Jennifer and Hope, Welcome to Working
on Purpose. Thank you, Thank

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you so much. It's so great. Great to be back right. Thanks

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Hope. I really really enjoy talking
about your first book, Hope in twenty

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nineteen, and Jen getting to be
on your podcast a couple of months ago

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talking about one of my latest books. Thanks. Against just great to be

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in such a great company. So
we have to first talk about how in

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the world this book came to be? How did Hope and Jen come to

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produce this book? Okay, Hope, do you want to go or do

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you want me? You tell it? You tell it so great? So

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you get started, okay, Okay. So I started my podcast post Burnout

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in twenty nineteen, and I was
introduced to help via another colleague, Natalie

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Benebu, and then had on my
show and at the end of it,

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I just had this intuitive hit Doctor
Elisee. I was like, I got

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to ask Hope if we want to
write a book together. It was like

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this like little chirping thing. I
was like, just asked, just ask

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how I asked Hope. I'm like, hey, do you want to write

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a book together? And she I
was thinking she thinks I'm crazy, and

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she's like, yeah, let's do
it. And so then I thought I'd

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never hear from her again, you
know, just writing me off. And

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then we talked again and she's like, yeah, let's no, I'm serious,

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like we're going to really write this
book. And so yeah, we've

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written two books together now and we
continue to collaborate and it's been an amazing

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friendship, partnership and collaboration. So
that's kind of the story. So Hope,

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I don't know if you have anything
else to add. Yeah, Jennifer

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didn't think she was going to hear
back from me, and I think maybe

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a week later, I sent her
an entire project plan of how we were

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going to make it happen, and
as she moved into it, she's like,

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we're going to call this naive Joy. This is our naive joy journey

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and we did enter into that space
together and we've done you know, we've

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collaborated on a ton of projects under
that umbrella, just going after it,

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learning together along the way. Incredible
partner, So thankful she is in my

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life under our naive joy efforts.
I am thrilled that you listen to that

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voice, Junfer, and you didn't
just dismiss it as crazy and you acted

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on it. I've done crazy things
in my life by listening to that little

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voice inside me saying do this.
I want you to do this. And

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hope it doesn't surprise me at all
that she created a whole strategic plan to

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make it happen. That's my girl. Oh, fantastic women at work.

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Okay, now we have to talk
about this. One of the great things

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about reading someone's book when they talk
about themselves, if you learn these really

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cool, interesting timpits about them that
you wouldn't otherwise. No, hope,

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you're you're you know, opening a
few lines in your book is just remarkable.

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You know, breath you know what
I want to say. Arresting is

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the right word. And Jennifer learning
about that your favorite movie in the whole

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world is Rocky. I love that
movie too. And then of course,

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how that that relates to your notion
of women. I'd love for you to

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share one, what do you love
the movie Rocky? And how do you

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see Rocky in relation to women?
So there's a little backstory there. So

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my dad and I when he was
alive, when I was a kid,

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every Friday night we would watch w
w F together, Like remember like hul

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Cogan and Ronnie Ronnie Piper and all
most people. So we would watch all

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that together. So we always would
watch the fights together, and so that

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was kind of something that we shared
and he was kind of my emotional touchdown.

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So then when you know Rocky was
you know, it was already out

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because I think it came out in
seventy six and I was already born.

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But he kind of ushered me into
those movies too. And so it's a

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wonderful connection that I have to my
father. And the reason I love the

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story line is that it's the story
of the underdog and the story of passion

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and dreams and stuff like that.
And so in many places and spaces in

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my life, if you read you
know that we're talking about resilience or you're

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talking about the new book on Confidence. I've been in that place, and

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a lot of female leaders have been
in that place, in that space,

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and I think that especially with the
work that I'm doing with Hope and all

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the projects, we are really trying
to represent like all women because we feel

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that we've come from that place of
the underdog and hope and we're just not

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having it anymore. So we're getting
all the resources of the education and providing

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all the platforms for them to step
into their greatness. I love that,

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Jennifer, I really love that.
I really really resonate with that, and

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I do find and you know,
I don't exclusively work with women. I

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work with work with men and women. But I very much align with with

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what you said in your book about
this notion of the importance of that reading

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these stories. This is a collection
of stories from various really amazing women that

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you hope that in reading these stories
that people will recognize that there's comfort and

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solace, that we're not alone in
this journey, and that you know,

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we can manage ourselves, doubt,
our imposter syndrome, this feelings of fear,

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these are all part of the human
condition. And by the way,

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these things happen in men and women, but I do believe that women suffer

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from them more often or deeply.
It seems so this whole inner critic that

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we seem to have that is just, you know, always sitting on our

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shoulder, watching us wherever we go, and very quick to whisper in our

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ear that we're not doing something right
or we can't do something is present.

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And I really appreciate that you have
collected a collection of stories of women that

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really share very openly, including you, Jennifer, what they've gone through to

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become who they are. It's really
beautiful. Thank you. Yeah, I

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read the whole thing. Of course
I'm prone to do, and I reached

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out to all of the women on
LinkedIn and to connect with them because I

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couldn't. I couldn't, I couldn't
help myself. After I'd read their story,

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I'm like, I want to I
want to be in your world.

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Well, that's amazing, thank you
for doing that. You're welcome. You're

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so welcome. I am curious how
you found these women. So Okay,

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So for the first book, so
we were talking about resilience, the stories

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of resilience, brave women work,
and then stories of resilience is subtitle,

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so Hope you know assign that to
me, which was a whole new experience.

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I just go find people. And
so a lot of people thought that

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when you know, when they read
the book, they're like, oh,

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Jen knew these people were hoping these
people. We didn't know any of those

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women. And so what I did
was I kind of did you know,

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like a you know, if you
help wanted like who wants to be an

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author? Kind of like post in
Facebook. And I have to tell you

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we attracted you know, I think
that the universe and God has a way,

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So like we attracted the most amazing
women first round for Resilience, and

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we continue to attract amazing women in
that process. And so that's kind of

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how we found the first crop of
women. And there are some women to

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this day that continue to champion our
cause for brave women at work and find

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us new authors all the time,
which Hope can definitely speak to. I

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know that we keep her busy over
in Las Vegas, and so we so

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we brave Women at Work lessons and
confidence. We found that cohort much quicker

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because we have the first book out
and then people were coming to us,

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so we are now we have already
called the Cohort two for Brave Women at

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Work Lessons in Leadership. Kick off
will be in September, and we are

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about five authors in our fourth book, Brave Women at Work Lessons in Letting

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Go. And at this point we
just have authors and you know, folks

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who want to join in, and
it is humbling. These women are powerhouses

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right there. I think we had
five six doctors on the last book,

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and they're just they're so amazing,
and each one of them have an incredible

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story to share, and each of
them share their story either of resilience or

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confidence in a different and nuanced way, which is also great for the reader,

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right so that you know what might
be really interesting for one style of

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writing or a different style of writing
the reader can you know, it's like

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choose your own adventure. Oh,
I really love this author, and you

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know, she's really resonating with me. But you learn from all of them,

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you know, I really appreciate that
the Red Book Behind Me, which

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is called Passionately Striving, Why that's
a collection of twenty five stories from women

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around the world that I also wouldn't
found. I found them on LinkedIn and

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then I invited them to come in
and a couple of them report other people.

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But I really appreciate that whole rec
method. And now you guys can

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actually go for eternity on various topics
with this whole model, So you know,

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be careful what to have just opened
up here? I see this big

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It is a wide open now.
So the other thing, another reason I

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wanted to have you both on one. I treasure you both, and I

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appreciate who you are being in the
world, and you're talking about something in

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this particular collection of resilience and also
the confidence one about stuff that's really important

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to navigate well if you want to
live your fullest and best life. And

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I believe that work is one of
our best playgrounds, and so talking about

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how this plays out in our lives
and our work is critical. So what

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I wanted to do was I pulled
out little nuggets from most of the women's

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stories here that I wanted to converse
over. And whether you speak about it

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from the advantage point of what they
wrote in their story, or whether you

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want to talk about it from your
viewpoint, either is great. But if

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we start with Maryland Vetter's story,
I really appreciated what she said, and

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women listen to this, you can
all probably relate to this. In several

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of you men as well, they're
listening to this today. She says,

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like many females, I thought working
my taloff would give me visibility and move

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me to the top of the list
for promotions. Silly me. It wasn't

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until later in my career that I
realized I needed to ask for promotions and

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raises. No one was going to
hand them to me. Why not me,

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my male cann of parts ask for
raises and promotions without hesitation. So

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I really appreciated that she is talking
about something that I hear all the time

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when I'm working with women, about
the need to champion ourselves, to ask

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for what we want, to ask
what we think we deserve, to ask

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for raises and promotions. If one
of you were both, if you could

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speak to this, I think this
is a critical topic to open with.

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I'll take it if you're okay with
that, Jen, for two reasons.

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One is I love how Marilyn talks
about it in that chapter and how important

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it is to be an advocate for
yourself. But really, how she comes

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to the clothes in that chapter is
how we in every all of the readers,

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all of the authors, and all
of us leaders have to reach out

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and train all of those folks coming
up, men, women, all young

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people, all emerging leaders of Hey, you have to advocate for yourself.

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Train them how to advocate for themselves, train them how to negotiate. So

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I think, you know, that
chapter is so powerful. It's the reason

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why it was the start of the
book, you know, to talk about

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that. And she not only talks
about her own experience, but then she

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really pulls it through and says,
hey, all of us, it's a

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call to action, go out and
teach this to other folks. And then

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secondly, the reason why I took
this question is as the managing editor of

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this work, all of I mean, these women are amazing, right,

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I think there's five or six doctors
in there. In the first round of

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the entire book, no one used
the word promotion. Yeah I promoted.

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None of them said I got promoted. They tortured their words around to try

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and say, oh, I got
more responsibilities in a bigger title. But

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even in a book about confidence,
you know, with no one said I'm

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promoted. So I think that's another
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be encouraged to use the real language, to use powerful language to say I

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was promoted. It's not bragging,
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it's not arrogant. It's just a
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find it in the book now.
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these amazing women, with all of
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they say I was promoted. That's
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little bit more that Marilyn Better said
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with. She's talking about author and
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about how she attributes the inability to
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because we associate leadership as a masculine
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findings perfectly. She says, quote, women feel forced to compete on their

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record, whilst men can compete on
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distinguishing statement. Yes, I think
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know that it's the studies are clear
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up or do things that they have
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the skills, whereas men will,
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hey, I've got about you know, fifty percent or whatever. The person

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said like, I got it,
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think that women need to have a
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why we're putting out this work to
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I can do this? You know, why not me? Beautiful? On

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I keep writing books because I need
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activating meaning and purpose can radically enliven
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Cortez dot com. Now back in
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here talking about their latest book,
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Work, Stories of Resilience. So
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here Again, as I said,
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really spoke to me. And because
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try to build on stuff we haven't
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want to go on to what and
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here, Doctor Prava Kumsen's right.
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story that I thought was really compelling
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she's learned along the way. One
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from within. That's one thing,
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what she says is one grows from
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pain to be a fantastic teacher when
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helps us realize our strength and just
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other third thing she says, and
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says, intentionally taking time to reflect
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development. I completely agree with that
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expand on any of those points,
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on my side. So for doctor
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beautiful, and I know Hope will
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paragraph was, like Hope you said, it was like one of the most

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beautiful pieces of writing that you've ever
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cheered up a little bit the beginning
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doctor Probe. I mean, she
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into her story and how she's come
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all over the world for you know
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and her career and just everything that
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stories of confidence, you know,
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know, in her family. She
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and you know wobbles and you know
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of like bouncing back and forth.
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beautifully. And why I will comment
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growing from pain, I'll just relate
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had many people ask me, William, why did I write the first book

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for resilience and talk about some of
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like why did I why did I
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am I sharing these stories of pain
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think that that's part of the part
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pain like doctor Prava processed, and
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and kind of getting up and dusting
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forward. It's time to actually help
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hope, I don't know if you
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story. Now, I think learning
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and both lessons and resilience and lessons
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in many of the contributing chapters.
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am sick of the phrase of you
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like I don't want any more just
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want any more of those things that
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had my I've had my fill of
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a lease with my you know,
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first paragraph and doctor Proba's submission was
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fully embraced herself and knows her identity. And that is something that comes through

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in all of the chapters that in
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confident, you really have to know
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in yourself first. And so that
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just the words were I didn't change
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first chapter or her first paragraph to
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to anything, So you know,
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make a word change on that first
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word that comes to mind that I
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It's just really powerful, really powerful, and just ladies listening to this emmanuelcome

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to check this out too, of
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read this book. Just pick up
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the stories you will, you will. And this is what I find,

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Ladies. I host these, you
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do it. I've been doing it
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it for years and I really started
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the passionately Striving her Wife book came
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when I gather women over story and
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did in this book, and we
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each get an enlarged by that experience. We leave bigger than when we left.

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knowledge of those who've shared it and
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same thing happened for me when I
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I love the smile that just smacked
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Hope, that was that was worth
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Okay, Well, let's go on
to doctor Belinda Higgs Hippolyte. Do I

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say that, right, Hippopolyte?
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from her story that I think is
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addresses this bit that we all tend
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talk. What I know is nobody
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Nobody can. I don't care what
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I have. I can always talk
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and so can many other women.
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this notion of you know, identifying
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So, hope, do you want
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ahead? I think okay. So
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her chapter in particular really touched me. I just felt like, if

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if you want to like just sit
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many truth bombs in her chapter and
so much information that I think that one

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chapters called Imposter, So you know, I've I have an intimate relationship with

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imposter syndrome and doubt and fear and
all of those things. And so you

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know, if you would have asked
me, I don't know even five years

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ago, would I'd be sitting here
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be saying, you know, probably
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at you and said, I'm not
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author of two books. I'm not
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authors line up in the future for
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know, We're going to be doing
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Like there's just so many amazing things
that come through when you start noticing

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the voice of the inner critic and
start saying, you know what, I

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got this, Like, I know
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wisdom that I have a master throughout
my life that I can take the range

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from here. So if you can
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of silence it, I think it
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think you can beat it back.
I think it just it rears its rears

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its head every now and again.
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to manage that energy and use to
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amazing things. I completely agree I
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to that? That was pretty fantastic? She might be frozen? Um.

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it is that it does come and
go, and yes, it does take

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something in us to be able to
find ways to address that that negative critic

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etc. And there are ways for
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go to the next bit and point
here that I want to give to our

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listeners and viewers, it's one thing
that we can do to help Hope you

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come off being frozen. Did you
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talking about there with Oh, yeah, it was just I was just saying,

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as you know, pulling all of
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that comes really clear is that all
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others and our friends and our family
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great, And it really takes a
lot of effort to give ourselves a measure

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of grace and to be really conscious
about it and consistently do it. I

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think it's just going to be a
lifetime activity. But if you can always,

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if you can give it to other
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yourself a measure of grace. Completely
agreed with that. Okay, So now,

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because in this show you may not
remember this, Hope and Jen,

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you may not know this, But
in this show, I always like to

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be able to inspire and educate our
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we're already clearly working on the inspiration
piece. Now I want to do a

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little bit of education here that will
help our listeners and viewers walk away with

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something that they can they can fold
into their being and go back and refer

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to, especially when they need some
resilience or confidence. And this again comes

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from doctor Belinda Higgs Apopolite stories or
story. She has this acronym. She

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says, what do you need to
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it's actually through the acronym of courage. And so I want to take

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each one of those things and just
speak to them. I have them written

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down so I can refer to them. But maybe if we could just quickly

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go through each of them and if
you want to comment on any of them

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that that would be great. Is
that all right? Yeah? Okay?

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starts with hear um. Courage C
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new possibilities. I think that's really
a great thing to put forth. So

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the first part of this acronym,
courage is creating space for failure and explore

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new possibilities. You want to you
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can. I can start by saying
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that in order to expand you know, we talk about growth versus fixed my

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mindset. I've talked about it on
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that you can't close down and say
oh, I failed, and you know,

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and be in the same presence of
new possibilities. I think you need

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to reflect on those failures and still
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compassion and grace to move forward to
new things. Okay, great, Oh

409
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is open your heart to new opportunities
and new experiences. And I think that's

410
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also, you know one the last
one really speaks to giving your giving yourself

411
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grace to fail, and when you
do fail, giving yourself grace for that.

412
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Now we're talking about opening our heart
to new opportunities and new experiences.

413
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I'll jump in on that, and
I'm just gonna say one phrase, it's

414
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naive joy, right, I gotta
open up, gotta jump in, and

415
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you know, be willing to be
willing to fail, quite honestly, right,

416
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and be willing to succeed. So
you know, go after it with

417
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a naive joy and know that along
the way you're going to learn a lot

418
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and you're going to be better for
it. Beautiful Hope. Okay. So

419
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then that you encourage is understand your
purpose and embrace that you are original.

420
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.839
Oh that really speaks to my heart. So we'll bounce back and forth,

421
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:02.839
Hope. So I I think that
just like you have your fingerprints and you

422
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.559
know that you're unique, I think
we have to remind ourselves that we are

423
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a unique individual with unique gifts.
So the thing that works beautiful about Hope

424
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:14.200
and my partnership is that you know, we each have it was really cool,

425
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:15.039
Like you know, she's like,
I'll take the editing, and I'm

426
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.319
like, I don't want anything to
do with editing, Like I really like

427
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:19.480
marketing and she's like, oh,
I don't like marketing. So I mean,

428
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we each have our own strengths and
we play off with one another,

429
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and that's when the beauty and the
magic happens. It's not when we're trying

430
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like I'm not trying to be Hope. Hope's not trying to be mean.

431
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.880
We're swimming in our own lanes,
and I think we just need to remember

432
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.920
that we each bring our own brilliance. I really appreciate that. Yeah,

433
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.039
into yes, to stand in that, to stand take your place in the

434
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:47.319
sun with that, I think that's
really really important. Okay, So then

435
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they are encourages to respect yourself and
respect others. Boy, that's another thing.

436
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.119
Starting with respecting ourselves. I think
that's really critical. You know.

437
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:02.519
I always come up with this concept
of you know, when I'm always trying

438
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:07.319
to please someone else or be somebody
else right, or be someone else's version

439
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:12.640
of myself right, which actually doctor
Hippolyte talks about rights. That's a lot

440
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.960
of her story. That's what the
respect is. It's like, oh,

441
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:21.079
no, I have to respect myself. I have to know who I am

442
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:26.200
first, because otherwise I'm always on
the back foot trying to prove myself to

443
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:32.440
be something that I'm not, so
respecting exactly who I am and embracing that.

444
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:37.400
That's one of the foundations of being
able to have your confidence. Indeed.

445
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.839
Okay, So then the a encourage
is to ask questions to increase your

446
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.000
knowledge and understanding. I love asking
questions. Part of the reason I was

447
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:49.480
the show. Yes, so I'll
take this one. So I too,

448
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.720
So doctor Lease, Like, I
have a podcast, so I ask questions

449
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.920
like all week blocks to guests.
So I think that, Well, I

450
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.880
had a paper in college of law. Teacher told me I'll never forget what

451
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.920
he wrote on the top, and
he said, curiosity cannot be taught.

452
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And so I think that, you
know, you need to be able to

453
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.279
be curious. And I think there's
another, you know, famous quote,

454
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it's like if you don't ask,
you don't get. And so I think

455
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.279
that's also foundational for confidence, is
that you have to be able to ask

456
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:22.799
those questions and be curious to move
forward. Yeah, and let me also

457
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.920
let me just give you a quick
shout out here, Jen, because you

458
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.839
interviewed me on your podcast and I
really appreciated the beautiful depth of your questions.

459
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.160
I thought we really generated a beautiful
conversation and that really does speak to

460
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.960
your capacity to ask an interesting,
curious, intelligent questions. So I have

461
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:44.359
been on the I've witnessed this.
We have one person for sure that has

462
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:52.240
proved this is true. Okay,
you're welcome. The G encourages for grow

463
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:58.839
in grace and remain grounded in your
values. Oh that's critical. I this

464
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:02.119
this one is probably resonates a lot
with doctor Hippoly. You know, she's

465
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:07.440
very spiritual. It's part of her
being, it's part of her fabric.

466
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:12.359
It comes through when you meet her. It certainly comes through and her chapter

467
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:17.599
chapter and being grounded in yourself.
Again, it comes back to a respect

468
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:24.240
of who you are. But you
know, staying humble. I think largely

469
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:29.200
many of us are pretty good at
staying humble. You know, it's harder

470
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:34.559
to give ourselves grace than you know
be you know, staying humble, but

471
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.519
being grounded exactly who you are and
what your values are. Otherwise you're just

472
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:43.759
striving to be somebody else, or
striving to be somebody else's version of yourself.

473
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.440
Totally agree. Okay, the E
encourages, which of course, I

474
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:54.240
really resonate with encourage yourself and others
so important. So I think that's what

475
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.880
this is. I mean ties it
really nicely into a bow. I mean,

476
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.440
that's what we're doing. You know, if I could say to any

477
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.680
woman or any person listening, you
know, like help encourage someone, right

478
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:07.480
if they're having a bad day,
help encourage them. And I think that's

479
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.239
a lot of what jazz is.
Hope and I as we're like, we

480
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.880
encourage one another, but we're so
excited about what we're doing because we know

481
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.199
it's encouraging other people. We know
it's inspiring other people, and so when

482
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.960
we get it, it's funny what
you know, whether it's one common an

483
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:23.679
Amazon or you know, like whatever
it is, we're like, oh,

484
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:28.679
we've encouraged someone, and you have
no idea how much that inspires us too

485
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.800
in turn to produce more good content. Oh, I think I have an

486
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:37.320
idea. I think I know what
that feels like and why why you want

487
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.840
to keep doing it. On that
note, let's grab our last break.

488
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I'm your host, doctor, or
at least Cortez. We went on the

489
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air with Jennifer Pastikus and Hope Mueller. We've collaborated to bring forth the collection

490
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of stories from women called Brave Women
at Work, Stories of Resilience. After

491
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.639
break, We're gonna hear more about
Gin's story and why this work can mean

492
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.159
the difference to you in your lives. Stay with us, will be right

493
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:16.079
back. Doctor Elise Cortez is a
management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose.

494
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An inspirational speaker and author, she
helps companies visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders

495
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:28.159
and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning
infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance,

496
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.039
and commitment within the workforce. To
learn more or to invite a lease to

497
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:36.599
speak to your organization, please visit
her at Elise Cortez dot com. Let's

498
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:45.000
talk about how to get your employees
working on purpose. This is working on

499
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:50.360
Purpose with doctor Elise Cortez. To
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500
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conversation with a lease, send an
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501
00:35:54.480 --> 00:36:05.559
Elise Cortez dot com. Now back
to working on purpose. Thanks for doing

502
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with us, and welcome back to
working on Purpose. I mentioned in the

503
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last break that we had here that
my latest bookers came out, The Great

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Revitalization. How activating meeting and purpose
can radically enliven your business. I also,

505
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along with that, created an organizational
assessment for you to be able to

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learn the extent to which your company's
leadership and culture are actually meeting the standards

507
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of today's workforce. It's a very
simple three page assessment. You can find

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it at my website at least Cortez
dot com. You can find it in

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various places, but specific when you
go to how do we help tab you

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can find it at the very bottom
of that page. So check it out.

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It's free, something for you to
work from if you're now just joining

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us. My guests are Jennifer Pastikus
and Hope Mueller, who have brought forth

513
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the collection of stories called Brave Women
at Work Stories of Resilience. I'm your

514
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.599
host, Doctor least Cortez. So
for this last segment here at Ladies,

515
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.480
I wanted to hit one more story
and then of course get Jennifer's. So

516
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:02.519
what I got here from reading doctor
Cindy German story is she talks about feeling

517
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.880
undervalued and relationships with managers who are
that are the top reasons people leave jobs.

518
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:12.039
And I know this to be true, so for years you know along

519
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.960
the way. I've been in human
capital for twenty five years and one of

520
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.559
the things I did for directly for
several years was employee engagement consulting. I

521
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.079
still do it today. And we
found then that the number one variable for

522
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:28.000
most organizations, the people rated that
was important for their engagement was feeling valued

523
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.920
and appreciated. And so then again
we also know that the relationship that we

524
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:37.519
have with our immediate boss is critical. And she talks about how you know,

525
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.639
these are the two number one two
things that are driving whether when people

526
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:46.079
leave their jobs. Either of you
have any commentary on that. Do you

527
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:51.519
want to take that one? Help? Yeah, I'll take that. You

528
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:58.960
know, Cindy's a lot of Cindy's
or doctor German's chapter is about also about

529
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:04.480
anxiety. You know, she really
struggled with anxiety. Um here she is

530
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:09.679
stacking up, you know, a
massive pile of education, really you know,

531
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:15.280
successful career. She runs her own
consulting firm, and she talks about,

532
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.280
you know, behind the scene,
she's anxious and maybe some of that

533
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:24.039
comes from the relationship she's had with
different bosses. And we do know that

534
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.840
the relationship with you, your boss
is so critical to your ability to enjoy

535
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:36.519
your job, to be successful,
to really embrace your own identity. Um

536
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.800
and so you can't put enough you
know, weight on that. When you're

537
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:47.320
interviewing for opportunities and you're you're talking
to your potential boss, you are interviewing

538
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:52.480
them as much as they are interviewing
you. Is that somebody you want to

539
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:58.920
work with? That's somebody that you
want to work for because you know that

540
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.559
that one idea you know, is
so critical to your success and you just

541
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.239
in your enjoyment and your career.
So take the time it takes to really

542
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:14.599
explore that relationship. And if it
goes sideways or you have a good relationship

543
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:19.000
and then it starts to falter,
have the courage to broach that with your

544
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.119
leader, right or your leader,
you know, have the courage to say,

545
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.719
here's what's working for me, here's
what's not working for me, because

546
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.920
there's no way for them to improve
if they don't know what those things are.

547
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:36.880
So understand it's a really critical job
and it's a really critical relationship.

548
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.639
And then be encouraged, you know, being encouraged to take action or have

549
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.639
hot, tough conversations when you need
to, Oh, that's a beautiful hope.

550
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:50.320
I really align with that, and
listeners and viewers, look, leadership

551
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.119
is not something that we are born
with. We are developed and made into

552
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:54.960
leaders. That's why I know I
do the work that I do. That's

553
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:59.239
why I created the vitally inspired program. You need help to do this stuff,

554
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.239
and so learning how to be a
good leader, you can be a

555
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:06.960
much better leader. You can be
the kind of leader that people actually never

556
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.039
forget that makes a profound difference in
someone's life, or you can be the

557
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:16.320
leader that literally people literally come home
from work and they then spend two hours

558
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.199
complaining to their loved ones about how
awful of their day was. And we

559
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.199
hear about both of those. So
I really appreciate I had to talk about

560
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this because it's so so important that
that relationship and feeling valued and appreciated work

561
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.519
is critical to be fulfilled and to
stay someplace. And if you if you're

562
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.800
not feeling in that way, please
do something about it. Okay, now,

563
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:39.800
jan now we have to talk about
your story. So I really really

564
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:45.880
love Savored and just read and scrap
it, just lingered over every word in

565
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.000
your story. And I really,
of course I had no idea Who've been

566
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.679
through all this, my friend,
I did not know. So if you

567
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:59.199
would maybe just share this story,
we are We've got about probably five minutes

568
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.960
left here for this bit, so
it's powerful. So if you would share

569
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:07.800
your story of what you went through
here. Yeah, so with the lessons

570
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:14.239
and confidence that particular story. So
I had a mentor. My boss at

571
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.639
the time was also my mentor,
and we had such a close relationship.

572
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And I was young at the time
when he hired me, and I was

573
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.280
naive. I was naive. I
didn't know, and I didn't know.

574
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.440
He was a like a work hard, kind of play hard gentleman, and

575
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:34.320
you know, so I compare him
to the Rolling Stones because he loved the

576
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.800
Rolling Stones. I think he saw
him like fifteen times. You know,

577
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.360
he just loved it. And that's
kind of how he lived his life.

578
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And so it was super fun for
me because it was like being like in

579
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:45.239
college, like you know, we
would you know, party after work.

580
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:50.360
It was just like a totally different
atmosphere. But I didn't understand behind the

581
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:55.760
scenes until later that he was slipping
and so he was having alcohol issues.

582
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:01.800
And later I found out and really
understood. Actually watch a program on Hulu

583
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:06.760
called Dope sick with Michael Keaton,
and if you've never seen that, I

584
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:12.239
highly recommended. And I saw the
people kind of withdrawing from opiates and it

585
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.719
kind of hit me, like within
the last couple of years before I was

586
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.559
writing the story that not only did
I have to write it, but I

587
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:19.639
had to kind of like be like, oh, this is what he was

588
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:24.440
going through. So he had an
opioid addiction that I figured out until much

589
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:28.920
later. It was very late in
the game, and I told him and

590
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.000
warned him again intuitively, I said, Hey, I don't want to speak

591
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:35.760
at your funeral because I really cared
about him, and he kind of waved

592
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.320
me off because we all do that, right we don't. We don't think

593
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:42.760
that we're ever going to be the
one. And so he ended up passing

594
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.639
away from those issues and it left
me and the whole team kind of an

595
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:52.000
a lurch. And so I had
a choice at the time, you know

596
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:53.719
what do I do? Do I
abandon ship? Do you know what do

597
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:59.039
I do with it? And I
basically asked to keep the team going on

598
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.679
and did that for eighteen months,
and I really put my health at risk,

599
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.079
which is something that hope reminds me
of on a regular basis to take

600
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.320
care of myself. And so I
did it in this scenario as a younger

601
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:15.119
professional, and I was taken advantage
of by the company. And I didn't

602
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.800
negotiate salary. I didn't negotiate pay, I didn't negotiate title. I thought,

603
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.960
just working really hard. And then
I also had the added stress of

604
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:27.119
trying to, you know, kind
of shadowbox with his ghost in a way

605
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.920
like you know what would he have
done? You know what would he because

606
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.480
everyone loved this man, because he
was like the life of the party,

607
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:36.280
in the life of the office.
And so it was a very hard eighteen

608
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.800
months and I learned that from that
moment forward, I needed to really put

609
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.440
a stake in the ground and advocate
for myself. And I learned that unfortunately,

610
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.400
after I interviewed someone, and I
came home and told my husband that

611
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.920
I just interviewed my boss and I
didn't know, but I knew, And

612
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.119
sure enough, like within the next
couple of weeks, there he was.

613
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And I mean, I have nothing
against him, wish him well, and

614
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.760
I know he's selling the industry.
But that was the end for me.

615
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.760
And I had some learnings that I
had to learn from that experience. Now,

616
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.159
there's one of the thing that's really
important for us to talk about here,

617
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Jen, and that this is the
manifestation of all of that stress,

618
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.159
lack of sleeping and not taking care
of yourself, and that you were in

619
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:24.639
the kitchen and you collapsed. You
just completely lost consciousness and collapsed and you

620
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:30.960
were you awoken to the sloppy,
you know, kisses of your dog and

621
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.199
you said you're grateful you didn't hit
your head on you know, something on

622
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.719
the way down. But that's a
pretty strong indication of your body saying I

623
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.000
told you, did I not tell
you in strong enough terms? This is

624
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:45.559
too much for me? Um,
completely you know, gave out on you.

625
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.280
And that is that's really important that
we talk about. That is that

626
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that is an indication of just the
extent to what you were going through.

627
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.079
Yeah, and so, Um,
I've had to learn this a couple of

628
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.719
times. And that's why Hope reminds
me. Um, So I thought I

629
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.639
just talked it off to stress and
that I was young and I kind of

630
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:07.079
wrote it off. And unfortunately I've
gone through this a couple times. So

631
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:08.519
hopefully I don't have to go through
this anymore. But yeah, it was

632
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:13.239
scary. I mean it was really
really scary to be up one moment and

633
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.840
conscious and then you know, down
on the floor the next. And I

634
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.039
was by myself with my little puppy, so he was kind of a little

635
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.960
hero that day to kind of awaken
me. But yeah, I don't recommend

636
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.360
it for anyone. And if you
ever feels like I think the learning is

637
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.360
tapp into your body and what your
body is saying, because the innate wisdom

638
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.760
is there. Yeah. Yeah,
The Body Keeps Score is one of those

639
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:35.960
books. So we're getting close to
the end of time here. But if

640
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you can just you know, briefly, just a couple of lessons did you

641
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:42.760
get from that? What did you
learn from that experience? Well, I

642
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.400
learned to advocate for myself, so
you know, whether I've got to talk

643
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.840
to, you know, other friends
I've called hope on some things like hey,

644
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.199
what do you think of bouncing ideas
with your internal like board of directors,

645
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:57.280
like your cheering section. To make
sure that you're advocating for yourself is

646
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:01.320
absolutely critical. And I think the
idea of speaking up and it's really the

647
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:05.880
precursor, if you think about it, of everything that I'm doing now because

648
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:07.719
I don't want women to fall apart
in the kitchen. I don't want people

649
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.480
to burn out. I don't want
women to not get promoted or get raises

650
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.159
like I just I just can't.
I just absolutely can. It's part of

651
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:22.800
my life's work to avoid this from
happening to other women. Wow. Um,

652
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.039
it's just really powerful, Jennifer.
And when you know it's there's there's

653
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:28.519
power in stories, right. I
believe in that and that's why that's why

654
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.840
I have my anthology out too,
That's why I do the women's storytelling,

655
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.480
you know, evenings, etc.
Power in stories. So thank you very

656
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.880
much for sharing yours. Now we've
come to the close of this and you

657
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:43.199
both probably know that this this this
podcast is listened to by people around the

658
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.079
world, and what we're really out
to do in this podcast. People listen

659
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.239
to this because they want to be
part of creating the workplaces where people actually

660
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.280
can come alive and realize their greatness. They are led by those inspirational leaders

661
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.559
that bring them into a place and
level that they couldn't get on their own.

662
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.320
Now we're doing business at Betters in
the world. Would you'll have to

663
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:05.920
leave them with I hope I'm going
to Voey this to you. I'll definitely

664
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.599
go first. We must hear from
you. I think I think at least

665
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.760
you know on the topics of these
books and the Brave Woman It Works series,

666
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.639
how it's shaped up so far as
you know. The first and most

667
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:23.360
important step is to believe in yourself. Right, you must embrace who you

668
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:27.679
are, all of the great things, all of the things that need work.

669
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.599
And you have to believe in yourself
first. If you spend your life

670
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.039
trying to be someone else or someone
else's vision of you, you will never

671
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.719
be satisfied. And quite frankly,
those they will never be satisfied. Hiding

672
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:45.840
does not work. Hiding from something
or hiding from your true identity doesn't work.

673
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:51.880
Making yourself smaller doesn't work either,
And in this book women tried all

674
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:57.480
of those things. You have to
believe in yourself and you have to embrace

675
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:02.639
your full self to step into your
full commence. So start there, start

676
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:09.119
with believing in yourself and embracing your
whole self to become your full, confident

677
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:15.119
self. And I would just add
in there, I think you did a

678
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.920
beautiful job, hope. I would
just say that it doesn't have to be

679
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.960
monumental leaps. You know, maybe
the first step is just reading like a

680
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:27.960
chapter or a day or a week
of this book or you know, any

681
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.320
book that will help you understand,
you know, like the greatness inside yourself

682
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:36.280
that you can you know it.
We as women just are always like,

683
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:37.559
oh, I can't, I could
possibly not do that, you know,

684
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:43.159
or I'm not qualified enough. It's
just take the incremental steps that you need

685
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:47.119
to take today to grow your confidence
so that we can see the brilliance that

686
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:51.480
we know is inside of you.
I think one of the saddest things is

687
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.480
to let your brilliant stay within you
at the end of your life. So

688
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:59.719
let's see your brilliance and we know
you can beautiful way to finish both of

689
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:00.639
you on very grave, will have
both of you in my lives. Thank

690
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.119
you for coming on, working in
purpose and sharing from your heart and your

691
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.360
soul so beautifully. Listeners and viewers
have gained from that so much. Where

692
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:13.480
what website? Where can people find
you at to give more information? So

693
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.039
for me, you can find me
at Brave Woman atwork dot com. Okay,

694
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:21.239
hope you can find me at Hunter
Street Press dot com. And you,

695
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.599
of course can find our books all
of the Brave Women at Work series

696
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:29.840
on Amazon, any retail channel,
or either one of our websites. Excellent,

697
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:31.679
Thank you so much. Last week, if you missed the live show,

698
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:35.239
I can always catch it be a
recorded podcast. We were on air

699
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.719
with doctor Karen Kramer. She's a
neuro linguistic programmasters coach, divorce and relationship

700
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:44.159
breakthrough coach, speaker, author,
and leadership development facilitator. We talked about

701
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.599
her forthcoming book, which is due
in fall of twenty twenty three with a

702
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:52.400
working title of Healthy Grief, Normalizing
and Navigating Loss and a Culture of Toxic

703
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.599
Positivity. Next week, we'll be
on the air with Robert Lingel talking about

704
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.719
his new book A Place for Tea
giving voice to the tour in our hair

705
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.840
brained world. Amazing, It's really, it's amazing when he's done here.

706
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.760
So this is something totally different when
we normally cover in the show. See

707
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:08.519
you there. Remember that works in
integral an important part of our lives.

708
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:12.519
It can be one of the best
adventures and means of realizing our potential and

709
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:17.760
making the impact we crave. So
let's work on purpose. We hope you've

710
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:22.960
enjoyed this week's program. Be sure
to Tune into Working on Purpose featuring your

711
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:27.639
host, doctor Elise Cortez, each
week on W FOURCY. Together, we'll

712
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create a world where business operates conscientiously. Leadership inspires and passion performance, and

713
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:37.280
employees are fulfilled in work that provides
the meaning and purpose they crave. See

714
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:38.360
you there, Let's work on Purpose.