What to Do When “Success” Leaves You Feeling Stuck and Unfulfilled?

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dot com. Getting in today's program
we have with us today. Doctor Maya

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dicit dicit al right, I'll get
her name right. She's a personality psychologist

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specializing in adult development. She is
an Associate professor of organizational behavior and hr

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management, the executive director of the
Self Development Laboratory and the academic director of

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the Rockland Executive Coaching Certificate Program at
the Rotman School of Management, University of

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Toronto. She is the author of
The Possible Self, a leader's guide to

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personal development, which we're talking about
today. She joined today from Toronto,

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Canada, Doctor Diejit. Welcome to
working on per Purpose, My pleasure.

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Thank you for inviting me. Of
course I told you before we got on

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air. I learned so much from
your beautiful book, Maya. This is

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just gorgeous. I mean, it's
wonderful to be delighted when I encounter new

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principles that I have them before.
So we're going to dive into this for

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our listeners of yours, they can
learn as well. Right, So,

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the first thing that I really want
to start with celebrating is you say in

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your book. The central premise of
your book is that no matter how long

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we have been stuck or how hard
we have struggled to change, we can

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get unstuck and we can keep growing. I love that. That's so exciting

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and empowering. You know, I
find that people sometimes consider getting a little

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stagnant as a part of just the
normal aging process. I think, well,

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I guess this is what adulthood is. It's to be a little tired

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and very drained, kind of apathetic
and you just have to go through your

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duties. But that's actually not our
natural state, and we can enter into

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it no matter whether at twenty or
forty or sixty or eighty or ninety nine.

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You know, I really of course
I help develop leaders and cultures,

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and I do encounter people the same
things like, hey, that's just the

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way I am, that's just in
my personality or whatever. And I think,

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you know, that's what they think. That's their hall pass to just

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sort of stay as they are and
you know, not try to work on

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changing and growing. So I like
that you are definitively directly challenging that.

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Absolutely. There's tons of research showing
that we are a continually growth you know.

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It's not like your plans and grow
to maturity and just stay there.

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It's we are continually growing all the
way until our very last breath. So

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I really want people to understand that
seriously, because I think sometimes people think

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in live stage is oh, this
is my development life stage, and this

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is the one where I just settle
in or I retire. There's only more

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and more if you really want to
fulfill, to get to your purpose,

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to get to your potential, it
is always more growth and not as in

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this kind of heavy Oh I have
to grow, but in this exciting I

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get to do this. I still
get to grow until the very last moment.

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I love it. I wouldn't be
doing what I do if I didn't

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believe that, of course. Okay, so let's dive in here. So

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I love your will of self concept, and I appreciate that you come right

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out and you say that one of
the reasons we fail to change is that

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we often focus our attempts on just
our behaviors. So if you could talk

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a little bit about, you know, why do we tend to f is

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there? And what's wrong with just
focusing on our behaviors? So, you

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know, I find that that's the
message that people get a lot from the

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environment, even from psychologists here.
There's a lot of books out there that

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says, really, let's focus on
behavior and behavior change. And I think

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the reason why people fix it on
behavior is because it's visible, right,

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So it's your behavior, you see
my behavior, no matter your intent or

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your emotions is the behavior I have
to deal with, So then I would

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fix it on that, so it's
visible, it's measurable. I can tell

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you know if you have decided,
let's say you want to exercise, I

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can tell whether or not you exercise
and how many minutes. And that visibility

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and measurability and focus on it makes
us forget that we are not just our

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behavior, but all the other parts
of the self. That we are our

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emotions, we are our thoughts,
we are our motivations or desires, and

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we're basically the history our body,
which carries the history of everything we've learned

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in our life lifetime that we carry
with ourselves. So those are four parts

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really, and behavior is just one
part of it, and I would argue

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not the crucial part for change.
I think if we're a chess board,

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I think of the behavior is a
pond because it's so impacted by it.

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Your behavior is impacted by what you
want, it's impacted by your emotions,

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it's impacted by your thoughts, it's
impacted by your history. So in a

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sense, it's just the end result
of the dynamic of all the other forces.

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And when people just want to change
what they're doing is there. Let's

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say that you decide that you want
to wake up in the morning and you

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want to exercise every morning, and
you're just focusing using your real power to

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change the behavior. But you're doing
you're taking one part of the wheel,

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You're taking one spoke and you're pushing
it one way while the rest of the

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wheel is bearing on you the other
way. And no surprised that most of

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the time the end result is us
defeating ourselves self fragmentation. We're basically citing

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ourselves and then defeating ourselves. It's
a it's a really strange fight of self

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again self that we engage in when
we're just trying to change our behavior.

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And that's where we get some of
those those things like we are are our

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own worst enemies, right, that's
correct? Yeah, yeah, So okay,

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so I wanted this other piece.
I we just want to read this

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short little passage and have you commented, And I thought it was so powerful.

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You say in your book, you
say, instead of considering personality traits

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as our destinations, we can think
of them as early in our skills,

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as temporary plateaus from which we continue
to grow. Instead of seeing our undeveloped

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traits as boxes in which we had
better get comfortable. We can leave them

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and develop parts of ourselves long left
dormant. Yes, we have misunderstood personality

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DP. I have been trained as
a personality psychologist, so my PhD is

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in personal psychology. And the level
of misunderstanding we have gotten to is I

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find very destructive. So first thing
is that personality traits are not genetic.

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Our temperament is, which is sort
of physiological tendencies, sensitivities, And what

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they turn into is, well,
what is personally some sort of stable way

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that we are with others for a
period of time. And so what happens

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is, let's say you have,
you know, some sort of physiological predisposition.

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Let's say I don't know you're sensitive
to sound, and you are landed

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in a family, which we don't
choose, we're landed in family or thrown

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into a family of musicians. Now
that family would take your sensitivity to sound

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to be a fantastic thing, and
chances are you might develop it, might

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become musician, become very extroverted.
So your personality trait is an inner It

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is a skill, early skill of
dealing with your temperament in a particular environment.

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If you take the same temperamental tendon, see, which is sensitivity to

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sound, and we throw into a
different family, Let's say you pick academics

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who are writing all the time and
they don't want to be disturbed by people

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making well, then you're going to
learn that the best way to be is

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just to withdraw from you know,
from everybody else, right, and so

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so then you would develop introversion.
Or let's say that you are thrown into

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family where people like to tease you
a lot, well, you might develop

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shyness. And so what I find
is that that early trade, what we

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think of personality trade, that's something
we learn how to do in order to

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flourish, survive, or flourish in
our early environment. What I find that

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box that we box ourselves in and
when we say I am and then followed

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by something, it's like a little
box that we stay in it you end

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up preventing yourself from being able to
do all sorts of things. So in

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my mind, our potential, our
purpose and potential are exactly on the opposite

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end of what we think. It's
a set of skills we haven't learned yet.

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So if I'm an introvert, and
I know how to be by myself.

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My potential is knowing how to be
with others. If I know how

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to be with others, I can
also know how to be by myself.

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If I'm assertive, maybe I need
to learn how to become agreeable. If

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I'm very agreeable, I can also
learn to become assertive. So we realize

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basically that this thing of thinking that
we are one box is limiting, imprisoning

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us within these you know, rather
commercially successful personality testing boxes that we end

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up staying inside, and you know, the industries worth something like two point

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two billion dollars and so, and
it turns out not really to predict much,

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but it tells us who we are
supposedly, and we're supposed to stay

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in our little box. I find
that that belief that we end up with

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and ends up being very destructive because
if you don't know that you're not the

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box, well you never try to
get out of it. Right. I

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love that it's again so empowering.
I like to think that, you know,

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for me, I love the way
that I've seen my own development is

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I consider it like it's been a
process of unfolding, and yes, there

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have been catalysts along the way that
have really helped that. But I have

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delighted in how much I've grown and
changed over over my five decades, just

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delighted by it. So I find
it very encouraging. Sorry, my light

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is going just creol. Got a
little bit of an issue going. I

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think it's tired or maybe giving up
the good fight. Anyway, Okay,

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so let's go on and then talk
about your wheel of self. I want

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to talk about each one of the
components, and I want to start with

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motivation, which really speaks to as
you say, are once. Can you

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start there? You know, people
often tell me, oh, I'm trying

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to Let's say, they have a
they tend to they like to have a

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donut in the afternoon, and they're
telling you, no, you know,

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I want to change so I don't
have the donut in the afternoon. And

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I always tell them it's not about
not having the donut, it's about not

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wanting the donut thing. Right,
So when people say, well, I'm

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trying to change my behavior, I'm
trying not to yell at my kids.

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It's not about not yelling, it's
about not having the impulse and this our

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motivational system fundamentally is what decides what
is going to come easy and what's going

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to be developmental. Or if we
work against our wants, it becomes what

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it's going to be hard and what's
going to kind of pour out of our

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cup of will power. It's going
to drain us because if we are working

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all the time against the thing we
want, we will get very drained and

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potentially burnt out as a consequence.
So we need to think about, okay,

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this thing of wanting, how do
we change the desire and to be

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aligned with our development and to know
how to read our wants and desires not

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in this kind of more realistic this
is a good thing to want, this

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is a bad thing to want,
which people tend to do. They tend

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to say, you know, sometimes
when people raise children, they tell them,

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listen, here's the menu of what
you're supposed to want in life.

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Speak from your menu of wants.
Please, right, you can be these

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professions, you can have this kind
of partner. Here's where you can live.

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And what it kills is our wants
are the only our desires are the

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only link thread that we have towards
our potential. So if we stop being

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attention, we say, you know, I'm dropping this thread. I'm just

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going to go what I think work
for other people. You lose that central

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connection to yourself that can guide you
towards your development. So wants are very

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very important to be able to get
ourselves moving again. And I really appreciate

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how you kind of give us a
kind of a roadmap here. You talk

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about how there's four steps step wants
to identify your wants, what you actually

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want, what do you desire?
Number two is exploring them. You know,

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maybe there's some that you've ever looked
for a long time or left behind.

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Three is exploring opposing or destructive wants. That's powerful. I want you

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to speak to that if you would. And four is choosing what you want

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to focus on. So could you
just a little bit of that, exploring

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those opposing and destructive wants? What
do you mean? So you know,

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I present hypothesis in the book that
all wants, everything you desire was at

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its origin developmental Okay, And people
find that unbelievable because they have the experience

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of wanting things that are bad for
them. They want bad food, they

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want not to exercise, they want
to engage in destructive or addictive activities.

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And what I tell them that destructive
or activity is not that the core.

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It's at the periphery of your motivational
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at the very core didn't get fulfilled. So if I've developed it, Let's

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say that I'm not satisfied at work
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couple of glasses of wine in the
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that core it's not the core want. So that destructive potentially is something that

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I'm doing that is not good for
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order to mask to somehow try to
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method, And instead I need to
explore what is at the core of the

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thing that I that I'm do.
I want to be validated? Do I

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want to be seen and heard?
Do I want to be loved? Do

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I want to engage creatively in my
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this point, right? What is
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know this? How if I don't
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layers of want that become increasingly dissociated
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So for example, let's say that
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but I think that if I get
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kind of stuff, people will think
I'm cool. That's one layer under and

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then if I'm cool, they'll think
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And if they hang out, then
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see how it's a home set here, something that looks that something that I

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wanted. The periphery is pointing the
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where the finger is pointing at the
core, what do you want at the

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corpus? Because as soon as you
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is always developmental, even when we
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addictions. At the core, there's
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core, there's a deserve it to
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engage creatively with the world in a
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that you speak on your show.
And if we don't fulfill that, what

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we develop is a culture in which
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us the thing that we want.
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right. And on that note,
let's let our listeners and viewers kind of

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reflect on maybe some of their wants
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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez. We're going the air with doctor

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Maya Diekitch. She is the author
of Sorry I just lost that because my

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light is coming out here. She
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a leader's guide to person at personal
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far. We've covered one part of
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and welcome back to working on Purpose. I'm your host, doctor Elise

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Cortes, as I am also dedicated
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at work and are led by inspirational leaders

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that help them find and contribute their
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world. I keep researching and writing
my own books. So the latest one

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that I put out came out in
Mark twenty twenty three. It's called The

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Great Revitalization. How activating meaning and
purpose can radically in liven your business.

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and once you continue to actually to
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there are twenty two best practices to
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that out. If you are just
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Maya Dikitsch. She is the author
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to Personal Development, which we've been
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want to go on. We opened
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but I have to say, there's
so many great things in your book,

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the way that you use language,
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understand the economy of willpower when it
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about behavior from the vantage point of
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willpower. So let's talk about behavior
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I think what got me thinking about
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the fact it's the burnout. It's
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really, what are you doing?
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screen, and so what exactly is
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digging ditches for half a day.
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the idea is, well, what
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what is the balance of the willpower? So will power something people use when

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they do something they don't want to
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want to do. And people have
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and that's not true. When I
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I like to play tennis. All
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pours back into my cup of willpower. So if I have a cup every

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morning, every time I do something
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in a bad traffic I pour a
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something I want to do, I
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need to figure out is what pours
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in. And people tend to think
that everything pours out. Anytime you do

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anything, it pours out, but
that's not the case. It only pours

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out if you're doing something you don't
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from doing something you want to do. And so if we start deeply thinking

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about it, we realize that work
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only pouring out. It can be
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up to this point, people you
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just give people more vacation. And
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you pour out and go home and
pour in there, when really at home,

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you might have a parent who has
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require care. So we need to
think about workplace not only as a place

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that pours out, but that also
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to understand and what is you know, what pours in what pours out,

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And that depends on your wants,
the things that you want poor in,

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things you don't want poor out.
So what is that balance for you in

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your day, in your month,
over the years that it's a kind of

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question that I wish everybody would ask
themselves. I'm smiling and laughing and and

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joining this because so much of what
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an environment in which people are better
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They are or they are energized because
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that they that they love, et
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raise the whole vibration of the organization. So that's why I was kind of

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smiling when you were talking about that
it's like, oh, yes, I

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know, let's do this. Okay, Well, let's go on to emotions.

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I again, each one of your
wheel of self aspects. I just

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found the way that you describe them
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the things that I think I really
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that emotions are a sicking system that
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our wants. Very powerful, you
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you know, emotions are vital data. They give us vital data. But

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it's situating them against our wants is
fascinating. Yeah. It's one of the

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things I think that people miss about
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or goal oriented. That without a
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just come upon us like it's a
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or restlessness or something right, but
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there is sadness, there has been
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has been a sense of restlessness or
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mind that are that are and so
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system, and it starts with something
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and that the emotion's function is to
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it's alert to alert you that you
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it, and to let you know
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emotions as ierrational, and really emotions
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mistake a couple of seconds of your
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down and you're very anger and very
afraid. That's what we see. Oh,

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that's what emotion is. No emotion
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have calmed down and thought, okay, what do I do as a consequence.

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you figure out what is it that
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you to get closer to your goal, closer to something you want, and

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they're going to go away as soon
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So it's as long as you go
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down and then go through this problem
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back on track. And as soon
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emotion is gonna go away. It's
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very energetically expensive, so it's really
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and so we need to really listen
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I think that is just so compelling, Maya, that's just so well explained.

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Okay, but now I've got to
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know that I've ever seen anybody so
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do that for us for sure.
I think we often conflate these two emotions,

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and they're really two separate things.
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that basically says you have mentally set
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hit it. So let's say I
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know what, I want to get
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work, and if you do it, you say, oh, yeah,

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I'm happy. And what you look
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you know, you have a little
peak of dopamin and saying okay,

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you hit your goal. However,
this goal doesn't at all need to be

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related to your potential okay. Joy
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you are in the process of development. So happiness is a signal that you

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have hit some goal decided. Even
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would be a good goal for you, You'll be and you get there,

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you'd be, oh, yeah,
I'm happy for that. Temporary and goes

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can last a long time and it
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emotions. So and sometimes calling it
joy, you know, have us misunderstand

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its meaning. We can develop inside
of a very difficult situation. We can

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grow. Let's say we have a
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parent. Now there's grief, there
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none. I think, well,
what kind of joy is there? Well,

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there's the think of it as deepening
of the self in relation to your

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potential. You're growing through understanding yourself
and the life of this loved one in

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relation to this loss. And this
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it while encountering very difficult life circumstances. And what you would feel is that

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these are life circumstances that are coming
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to that, so that there is
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That's such a powerful distinction, really
really powerful. We'll talk somebout the

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time about this, but I'm developing
this other course that also includes components of

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joy. So when I read how
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oh, that so powerful. All
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Okay, So again, just to
situate the listeners and viewers, I like

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how she talks about the mind is
our inner working. We have to reflect

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our own constructs and beliefs that contribute
to our inability to get just what we

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desire the most or what we do
what we actually our actual ability to do

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that. But these the constructs and
beliefs I think are really important to hone

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in here. So if we can, now, let's treat the mind.

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So you know, I call people
say, well, why don't you just

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call them beliefs. The reason for
it is because I want people to understand

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that they're actually constructed. Over to
I call them construct because they're basically assumptions

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you have about the world that you
act on and sometimes you don't even know.

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For example, right now, if
I lean back I lean back because

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I have an assumption that this chair
has a back. Right now, I

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don't have to verbalize it as a
belief, I just simply act on it.

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As you grow up, you end
up with, you know, hundreds

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of thousands of constructs about the world. It's basically your whole information that goes

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into its lenses through which you try
to interpret things gets built. Some of

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them you can verbalize, you can
say, oh, yeah, I believe

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that this is the case. But
most of them stay unverbalized. And the

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reason why I want people to to
think of them as construct is because often

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we end up with constructs about self
or the world that are very destructive for

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us. Yes, right, so
we can have a construct everybody's out to

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get me. Now, think about
how that one way, one lens,

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one way of looking at the world
can impair your your relationships with your colleagues,

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It can impair your relationships with your
family, impair your relationship with the

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loved ones. You end up being
lonely in an isolate So just one belief,

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one belief, one construct can basically
destroy your life potentially. So and

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they are the place where they are, They're in the unconscious mind and so

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by helping people understand how these constructs
sit in the unconscious mind, I help

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them understand the limitations of trust trying
to use their conscious mind mind to think

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that. People say, well,
you have this limiting belief, just change

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it, think differently. What they
don't understand is that you can't just change

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something through the conscious mind. You
need to go into the unconscious and change

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it. It's a little bit like
let's say if you have an employee,

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we're suffering from imposters syndrome. So
they're very very good at their job,

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but their underlying construct is I'm not
good enough, I'm not smart, And

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you can tell them listen, here's
so much evidence that you're smart, and

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I believe in you, and everybody
believes in you. People often give behavioral

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advice, well why don't you just
sit every night and write down all the

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things that you're so successful, or
why don't you practice positive affirmations? And

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I tell people, you know,
your unconscious process is information at eleven million

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bits per second. Okay, conscious
mind does it at fifty bits per second,

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which means that you know, you
can try to give yourself positive affirmations.

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But in any moment of stress,
your unconscious mind is going to flood

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you good thoughts of not being good, so you can be I'm good enough,

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I'm good enough, I'm good enough. But then you have to go

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to sleep and the unconscious has So
when we need to change something, we

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need to change change it in the
unconscious. So not that we behave as

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if we have self esteem, or
we try to ignore the voice that says

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you're not good enough. No,
we go to the place that created I'm

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not good enough and we make it
go away. M hm. That's so

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so, so incredibly powerful. Yeah, the mind, there's so much work

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to be done there. Okay,
let's grab our last break. Here.

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Maya lit it on the air with
doctor Maya Jikits. She is a personality

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psychologist specializing in adult development. She
is an Associate Professor of Organizational Behavior and

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hr Management, the executive director of
the Self Development Laboratory, and the academic

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director of the Rothman Executive Coaching Certificate
Program at the Roman School of Management,

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University of Toronto. Talking through her
wheel of self concept. Here and last,

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we were just talking about the mind. After the break, we're going

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to talk about the body. W
right back, Doctor Elise Cortes is a

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management consultant specializing in meaning and purpose. An inspirational speaker and author, she

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helps companies visioneer for greater purpose among
stakeholders and develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning

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infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance, and commitment within the workforce. To

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learn more or to invite Elise to
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at elisecortes dot com. Let's talk
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purpose. This is working on Purpose
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Thanks for staying with us, and
welcome back to working on Purpose.

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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes. I mentioned in the last break about

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my book The Rate Realization coming out. What I did for you is I

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created a three page assessment that you
can pull off my website to determine the

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extent to which your company is operating
at today's standards. It's at Gustavdashnehu dot

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com. If you are just now
joining me, My guest is doctor Maya

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Dikitch. She's the author of The
Possible Self, a leader's guide to personal

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development, which we've been talking about. So we've been talking about the wheel

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of Self, and now I want
to cover body and to situate this listeners

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of viewers. The way she writes, Maya, the way you write.

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I just want to read a little
bit about how you talk about the body.

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Here this part you say, from
an evolutionary perspective, we could think

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of our bodies as vessels made of
the past, meant to act in the

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present while looking to the future.
That is incredible. I have never,

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in my whole entire life thought of
the body like that. And isn't it

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so interesting? How much when we
think of our bodies we think numbers,

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We think cholesterol level or or height
or weight, and we don't think,

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really, what were they meant to
do? And really they were meant to

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carry our learnings? And so everything
in us really carries the learning. So

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our bodies where our history is written, and this history informs our actions in

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the present looking through the future,
and it becomes very very The reason the

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way that the body becomes very dangerous
to us is that if you learn something

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and that learning ends up being very
rigid and unmodifiable. So let's say you

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learn something like I can't trust important
people in my life. Life that you're

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going to replay that over again.
Because all these constructs that we have been

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talking about in the mind, the
way that they are located really is in

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the neural pathways that have been created. So your memories, your learnings,

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your tendencies, it's all inside of
the body. On one level, it's

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dangerous. On another level, it's
extraordinary. If your history is in your

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body, you change things in the
body. You don't necessarily change the past,

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but you change your tendency of how
to interact in the future. I

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find that extraordinarily powerful. I do
think, yeah, particularly sense you know,

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this is something I reflect a lot. Our parents pass on constructs to

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us that can be sometimes not very
functional. Right, So our parents can

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pass on the construct you know you
should really just never extend yourself beyond your

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family or origin, like that's your
unit. Therefore friends are not important,

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okay, So and that would be
passed on to you and now you're living

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this out. Or they can pass
on something dangerous like oh, you know,

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the way to discipline a child is
to physically corporeally punish them. Now,

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what I find very interesting is that
for every person that has changed this

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tendency, what they've created. So
when you change one thing in yourself,

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you suddenly you go from a person
who comes from a family that doesn't talk

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about difficult things, and you become
a family that talks about difficult things.

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Not only have you affected your family, you have affected now all the descendants

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of all of your children going into
the future. So there's something about this

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moment in time that if you can
change something in yourself and pass that new

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way of being onward, you're changing
the future, not just for yourself,

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but for generations to come. It's
a very powerful to my mind, a

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very powerful thought. I completely agree
with that. And then when it comes

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to you know, transformation only just
kind of start this bit with you so

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you can kind of build on this. But I found this just so incredibly

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powerful. You say, you're talking, we're talking about the body piece of

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it here to say, insight may
be necessary, but it is not sufficient

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for transformation. It needs to be
joined with an experience that opens the lid

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to the closed construct and only then
can we update it. Getting the wheel

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of self to move again. So
this idea of you know this, the

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idea of a closed construct sitting somewhere, is that that's in our mind right,

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the construct, nervous system, nervous
system. Okay, gotcha, if

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00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.480
you would speak to that this note. This is really exciting to think about,

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this notion of how you can really
get focused on your body as part

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of the transformative process of the self, for sure. So the construct,

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let's say you have a construct that
I'm not good enough, that you you

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ended up with from Let's say I
know in first grade, somebody mocks you

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for not being able to spell a
word or something like that. Okay,

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So that's a set of neuropathways that
are just sitting in you. Psychologically,

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I would call it a construct,
but physically what it is, it's a

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set of neuropathways. So then the
question becomes, given that we can't get

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rid of the past, you can
get rid of the neural pathways, what

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did you do to produce what?
Psychologically? Now people talk about healing,

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what is healing? And oddly enough, the metaphor of a physical wound is

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very similar to what psychologically needs to
happen. So first you need to find

519
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:38.519
it. So let's say you had
a wound on your body for a long

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time that just faster than you didn't
pay attention to it. First, you

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need to say what hurts where,
Then you need to reopen it, Then

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you need to apply something to it
that will be curative, and then you

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need to And the only difference is
that often with physical wounds it's a lot

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of time, but if it's psychological
wounds, it actually can happen very rapidly.

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So when I looked at the literature
who find what produces healing, there's

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fantastic work out there on trauma and
all of these things. I found that

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most of the time that we have
interventions, psychotherapeutic interventions, any kind of

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interventions, they often focus on on
one or two of these parts of the

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self. They'll be like cognitive behavioral
therapy, emotion based therapy, or just

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behavioral intervention, and they are missing
one part, and they're missing that body

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part. And when I went through
literature of under what condition does that healing

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happen, there were basically two things
that were common to all empirically successful transformational

533
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:59.320
processes. So it's based on this
notion and the thing that we know now

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00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:05.280
in your science, basically, when
we're emotionally disregulated, that brain becomes very

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plastic, which means that when disregulated
when in emotionally maybe afraid or just emotional,

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when we're emotional, that the brain
lays down your pathways very fast.

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This is how we can get traumatized
very rapidly. Right, very disregulated,

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00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.519
the brain says, don't you ever
leave the house again, because you might

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00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:29.519
get mugged again. Okay, and
then we're stuck with that. So what

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I realized is when we look at
successful whether in therapy or out of therapy,

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successful transformation of healing, it always
included this regulation by the person themselves.

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So often, let's say in therapy, nothing happens, not because in

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therapy you get to the point of
insight and then you know, so you

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say, oh, yes, I
know why it is that I feel like

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this, but I still feel like
this, right, I know I don't

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00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:58.480
feel good about but I still feel
like that. The last step. Usually

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what happens is that the person this
regulates themselves as often as they're thinking about

548
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.719
the event, and they apply a
new experience. So there's two components.

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This self, this is not somebody
else disregulating you, but disregulating yourself by

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00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:22.960
usually by replaying the event. Yes, the new experience you're basically this regulation

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00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:29.559
makes your brain plastic and you add
another experience on top of your old one.

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So I'll give you an example.
Let's say that my wound is that

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I don't feel smart because first grade
I got mocked by the teacher. So

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00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:43.840
the technique that I've kind of cobbled
together from like what worked, was in

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00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:47.000
writing. You know, I'll write
about this experience, and just writing about

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00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.159
it is going to disregulate me because
it brings up a lot of emotion.

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And so I would say I was
in first grade, my teacher came out

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00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:58.760
and asked me to read it,
and I'll feel it, and so now

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00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:00.480
I have disregulated, but now I
need to bring this new experience. So

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what I suggest people do is that
they mentally have their adult self walk onto

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the scene, support the younger version
of the self as they deal with the

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what happens after the experience. So
I would say, you know, after

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the experience, I would take my
younger self and say, hey, it's

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okay, doesn't mean you're not smart. You're a very smart kid, even

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though you're learning that. This is
what happens when you learn. I sometimes

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even have people include like give a
little talking to to your teacher and say,

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you know what, that's kind of
inappropriate for a teacher to be marking

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up. You know. The point
is, what are you doing. You're

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taking this instet of neuropathways inside of
your body, and you're not removing what

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has been, but you're adding what
you needed at the time to have the

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construct healthy and open, which is
sometimes I make mistakes and that's okay,

572
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.039
doesn't make me stupid. It just
means that I'm learning. That's an open

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construct. We add that on top
of the other one. So when that

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happens very rapidly, what you see
within a couple of days, people experience

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a great relief. And basically what
I've done is they've gone into the unconscious

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and changed something there. Don't come
up anymore. There's no voice in the

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00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:19.159
background saying, oh, you know, you're not good enough. They have

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healed, and I find that possibility
of healing and knowing how to do it

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00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.119
yourself, or if you want,
you can do it with somebody else,

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00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.320
with a coach, with a therapist, whoever. But what's really empowering is

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00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:37.400
to know that how healing happens,
that it's possible to do that. It

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00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.159
doesn't take a lifetime to heal the
way we say time heals everything. No,

583
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.960
it doesn't. You can if you
have an unprocessed wound, psychological wound,

584
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.119
you can be ninety five and still
have a wound from the first grade.

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Very frequently happens. So this process
I find very empowering, and it

586
00:43:53.880 --> 00:44:00.880
produces that move that allows the whole
wheel of self to suddenly start moving in

587
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.880
developmental direction. I feel like I
spoke a little bit too much selling the

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00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.480
time, you know, I'm just
I'm hanging on every word. I am

589
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so enthralled with how you have really
helped me understand the body aspect and the

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00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.480
will of self. I know you've
said this, sorry, but again I

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00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.320
want to read it again for our
listeners and viewers because your language is just

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so beautiful. And then if you
would speak to the future piece of what

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I'm going to read here, But
you're talking about the two functions. The

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first function, of course, is
that we want to be able to move

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00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:30.519
to our wants. We say,
unlike plants, you know, we can

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00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:34.519
actually go move our bodies toward our
wants. And then you say, the

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second function of our body is to
carry our past, which we've been talking

598
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.599
about. But it's so compelling the
way that you say this. You say,

599
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.599
we often forget that all our learnings, all our skills, and even

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00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.199
many of our short and long term
goals are nothing more than projected fragments of

601
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.559
our past experiences. They are carried
by our brain and nervous systems, as

602
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:58.320
well as the muscles, joints,
organs, blood cells, immune cells,

603
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:04.239
and many other constituents of the body
whose actions in the present moment are altered

604
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.880
by the memory of the past.
We make our future by combining past experiences

605
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:15.400
and learnings with current motivations and potentials. Bodies hold our learnings and employ them

606
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:22.280
forward as we encounter new situations.
They are magnificent and subtle learning machines.

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00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:27.960
I have never seen anything like that, Maya, that is so fantastic.

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They really are. And if we
carry something, if we carry a wound

609
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:38.360
that prevents the body from being able
to do what it needs to do to

610
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:43.719
carry us to our potential, it's
like carrying a sack of stones on your

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back. This is our baggage,
this is our things that we can let

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go so we can allow the body
to do what it's best at, which

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is start to get us, continue, continue to get us moving towards our

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potential, our never ending work.
Because every time you feel feel that potential,

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guess what happens. A whole new
set of potentialities opens up for you

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and on you go. We can
live very engaged, very deep lives all

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the way to the very end.
You know, people sometimes ask me,

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but what you know, what if
you're ninety nine and you can't get out

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of bed, what could you possibly
learn? And not to end on a

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morbid note, but you can learn
how to say goodbye, you can learn

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how to end your life. Well, you know, there's so in every

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moment, no matter what do we
think our sailminitation, there is potential embedded

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in that, and that's that's our
gift. And if we forget that and

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every day becomes oh God, do
I have to do this? And can

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I just get to my retirement or
do I just get to the end of

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the day, we really have lost. We really lose, We lose our

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lives in the process. Completely agree
a Maya, and I appreciate also you're

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also situating a certain way for us
to, you know, embrace a certain

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constructor of belief, and I canmpletely
aligned with that, so so powerful.

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So I have so enjoyed learning from
you, reading your book, sharing with

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my listeners and viewers. I think
you know that the show is listened to

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by people around the world and they
either to need because they want to learn

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something about themselves, how to improve
themselves. They want to become more of

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an inspirational leader, or they want
to be able to learn how to create

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those destination workplaces we've been talking about. What would I leave them with.

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You know, if you're a leader
and you're listening to this, you know

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you have maybe been told focus on
your strength. I would ask you find

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that anchor that is holding you back, find the wound that is preventing you

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from moving to a completely new level
of leadership, like move that wheel in

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that domain of your life, and
you will see how the future just opens

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up for you beyond what you could
have imagined. That's what we want,

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the future that even in our best
possible scenario, we couldn't have imagined.

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And it's us a little bit of
in your work, or sometimes a lot.

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I want to quickly echo that Maya. I have had many conversations on

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this program. We are all members
of the walking wounded, every one of

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us. That's what life does.
So that is beautiful sage advice, Maya.

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A fantastic way to finish the show. Thank you for coming on and

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sharing your wisdom, your heart,
your mind, everything with working on a

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purpose. Listeners and viewers, my
great pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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Absolutely, Listeners and viewers, you
are going to want to find this

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woman. Check out her work.
Learn more about doctor Maya Dikitch, the

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work that she does as a personality
psychologist in her new book, The Possible

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Self. So one place to start
is her personal website. I'm going to

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say it for you that I'm going
to spell it for you. It's her

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name, Maya Dikitch and the way
that you spell that is m a Ja

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dj Ikic Maya dkitch dot com.
Last week, if you missed the live

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show, you can always catch it
be recorded podcast. We were on the

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air with Alex budakh Is, a
UC Berkeley faculty member, social entrepreneur,

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author and speaker who teaches a wildly
popular course called Becoming a Change Maker.

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We talked about his book, Becoming
a Change Maker, an actionable, inclusive

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guide to leading positive change at any
level, which encourages every one of us

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to step into our capacity to make
meaningful change, regardless of our role,

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position, or anything else. Next
week will be on the air with David

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Alexander, a commercial photographer whose book
captures and celebrates our wonderfully complex connection to

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each other and all of nature.
We'll be talking us through those concepts and

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those connections. See you there,
and remember, work is one of the

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best adventures and means of realizing our
potential and making the impact we crave.

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So let's work on Purpose. We
hope you've enjoyed this week's program. Be

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sure to tune into Working on Purpose
featuring your host, doctor Elise Cortes,

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each week on W four CY.
Together, we'll create a world where business

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operates conscientiously, leadership inspires and passion
performance, and employees are fulfilled in work

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that provides them meaning and purpose they
crave. See you there, Let's Work

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on Purpose. M