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What's working on Purpose? Anyway? Each week we ponder the
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answer to this question. People ache for meaning and purpose
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at work, to contribute their talents passionately and know their
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lives really matter. They crave being part of an organization
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that inspires them and helps them grow into realizing their
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highest potential. Business can be such a force for good
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in the world, elevating humanity. In our program, we provide
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guidance and inspiration to help usher in this world we
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all want Working on Purpose. Now, here's your host, doctor
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Elise Cortes.
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Welcome back to the Working on Purpose program, which has
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been brought to you with passion and price since February
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of twenty fifteen. Thanks for juning again this week. Great
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to have you. I'm your host, doctor Earlescoretes. If we
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have not met before and you don't know me, I'm
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a workforce advisor, organizational psychologist, management consultant, local therapist, speaker
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and author, and my team and I at Gusto now
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help companies to enliven and fortify their operations by building
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it a dynamic, high performance culture, inspirational leadership and nurtery
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managers activated by meaning and purpose. Many organizations are not
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aware of how critical it is to invest in developing
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their leaders and managers not just for their own effectiveness,
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but also to avoid burnout to keep them fulfilled, but
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also so that they can measure and monitor the purpose
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experience of their organization to keep it working as an
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operational imperative. You can learn more about us and how
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we can work together at gustodeshnau dot com or my
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personal site at Leascortes dot com. Getting today's program we
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have with us today Wendy Lipton Dibner. She's the president,
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founder and CEO of profession Impact, Inc. She is the
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developer of organizational impact strategy, the inventor of the real
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world Impact Metrics and the creator of the Companion app.
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She has helped thousands of enterprise, healthcare, and small businesses,
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as well as nonprofits, increased team effectiveness and revenue as
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direct result of making a measurable difference to people's lives.
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She's the author of What Matters Matters Most. How leaders
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build impassion, engagement, unrivaled loyalty, and boundless growth by measuring
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real world impact, which we'll be talking about today, and
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situating how organizations can increase profitability by maximizing and capitalizing
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on the real world impact they create for all stakeholders. Wendy,
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welcome to Working on Purpose.
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Thank you, Lisa. I'm so happy to finally see you.
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This is great, It is so great.
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Thanks for waiting for me. Let'sen thank forwards. We're having
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a little few technical troubles there for so forgive me.
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I'm on my phone today, so I'm a little smaller
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maybe to you, but just as large an impacting message,
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I hope. So, Wendy, let's just first by celebrating this
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beautiful thing you put in the world, this gorgeous book
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you created.
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Thank you, nat, thank you, thank you never.
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Never tire of celebrating my guest books on air. Wendy
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so really really loved the read, got so much out
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of it. Excited to share with our listeners and viewers
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just what you came up with, just because we may
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have to go a little bit shorter on the show,
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just that if you could do just a little short introduction.
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You know you're a social scientist, as am. I been
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doing organizational strategy for many, many years. Why did you
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write this book? Aren't you busy enough?
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I don't think I could ever be busy enough. I
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love this stuff. Okay, here's the short. So forty years ago,
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I was invited to present some research at the US
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Senate on a hospital and evaluation. It was a magnificent opportunity.
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We all went to the Senate, I did my presentation.
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I was very very young, and I was so excited,
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and then they asked me a bunch of questions, and
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then after the question they actually voted to make a
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difference for millions of people. And everybody was excited except
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me because on the plane I realized the senators didn't
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ask me anything about how the patients did, about what
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the doctors did, about what the real impact of that
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hospital was what they were interested in is cost, money, profitability, salaries, etc. Etc.
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It so through me that I thought I needed to
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do something. I walked into a bank the next day
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asked them to give me a loan so that I
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could open a social laboratory to prove that businesses could
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make more money if we focused on impact than on money.
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So that was forty years ago. A lot has happened since,
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but I have spent my career helping all of these
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organizations to actually make significantly higher revenues by bringing down
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the priority on revenue and bringing up the priority on impact.
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So that's where I've been. We went through COVID. Everybody
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complained to me about how miserable their teams were and
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it was a disaster. You don't need me to describe it.
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And one night I was lying in bed and I
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couldn't sleep, So, like a good red blooded entrepreneur, I
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took up my phone, went under the covers and started scrolling.
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And very long story short, at least what happened was
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I saw a post that just nabbed me. It was
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somebody who was talking about how much they hated their job,
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hated their boss, hated their life. Hated the work they
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had to do, hated the commute, but that they would
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do it forever if they could just figure out how
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it means something what they're doing matters. And I heard
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this for years, obviously, as you have as well. But
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this particular post went viral and hundreds upon hundreds of
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people were responding to how much they hated YadA YadA
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and how much they wish they could figure out how
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to do something that matters. And I finally had had
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enough of this after forty years, and I decided I
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know what to do, and so I walked in the
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next morning I had a doctor's appointment. I told my
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doctor and friend for years, I said, look, I have
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a system that I have been teaching for years. I
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think I have a way to turn it into something
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that could really make a difference. Would you be interested
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in knowing exactly what happens after you're done helping your
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patient for years after that? And he just raised his
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hand and he said, can I be first?
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That's my kind of Galwindy. I'm so happy to meet
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you and know you and be connected to you, having
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learned from you, being inspired by you. This is what
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the world needs. And if you heard the introduction to
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the show. We do talk about and people crave knowing
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they matter. I'm a meeting at work researcher, I get it.
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So you know, let's first situate or next situate for
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our listeners and viewers, just the dismal situation. You know
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what we're dealing with here, why you're helping to address.
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In the United States, the engagement rate is twenty one
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percent or thirty one percent. Outside globally it's thirty it's
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twenty one percent. So, ladies and gentlemen, what that means
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is if you're inside the United States running a business,
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what that really translates to is, for every ten employees
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that you have, you have three of them that are
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really surging for trying to produce results and make things happen,
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and seven of them that are either holding steady or
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pulling you back. That's what that means. So it is
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critical that we address this issue. And you, of course
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talk about all kinds of things organizations have tried. We're
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not going to talk about those because we want to
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focus on what it is that you've done. But I
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just wanted to situate for our listeners and viewers just
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how grave This problem is I don't know how any
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business makes any money with those kind of numbers, right.
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Right, And the thing is, that's all they care about
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is making money, and that's why they're not making money
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in my humble experience. Yes, So to your point, at
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least the leaders, and I've watched them, they're doing everything
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they knowed how to do. Frankly, they have paid me
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to come and help, right, So I see what they're doing,
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and the seminars and the trainings and the woohoo parties
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and all this kind of stuff that lasts for a minute.
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The question becomes at the end of the day, what's missing?
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And when we figured out what was missing, there was
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nothing to stappen.
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Yeah, And I also want to situate, you know, just
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think about all the things that organizations also do, the
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five star ratings, you talk about, the dashboards, even you know,
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the employee engagement surveys, even all those sort of things
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that really don't really get to the heart of the matter.
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And I really really loved I mean, I've spent so
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much time Wendy now looking at various perspectives on what
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the pandemic has done for us, and as a social
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scientist too, like you. I can't help that, but I
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think you've situated something so critical that I want to situate.
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From your book that talks about really one of the
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major effects of the pandemic. You say the pandemic didn't
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substantially change what people want, but it dramatically shifted priorities
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regarding how long people were willing to wait for what
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they want and what they were willing to do to
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get it. If the pandemic taught us anything it showed
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us that life is too short to settle for less
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than what we truly want in business and in life.
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Exactly right, exactly right. And you know one of my
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other books, that was the whole theme of the book
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about how it takes everything to make ourselves get what
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we want, and then we don't get it, and life
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is too short, and the question becomes, how are we
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holding ourselves back? And historically, you know social science, all right,
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what's all of this that has to do with why
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we can't get what we want? Sometimes it's not us.
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Sometimes just once in a blue moon, there's something else
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we can blank. And for once in a very long career,
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I can tell you for sure that if you're watching
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this and you watch this and you watch Elise, and
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you know all the great stuff she brings you. There
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is one thing that we all missed, and that one
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thing is that employees and frankly, leaders need to know
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that they are making an honest to goodness difference in
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people's lives. It's one thing to say my work matters.
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It's another thing to say how it matters, what matters,
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when it matters, for whom it matters, what we can
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do to prove it. That was my diehard decision and
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we've done it.
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Oh, I can't wait to dig into more of what
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that really means because the listeners and viewers are probably like, Okay,
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now give me the meat. So let's take our first break.
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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortez. We've been in the
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area with Wendy Lipton dim Nurse. He's the president, founder
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and CEO of Professional Impact, Inc. And the developer of
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organizational impact stress rategy, inventor of real world impact metrics,
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and creator of the Companion app. She has helped thousands
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of enterprise, healthcare, small businesses, and nonprofit leaders to increase
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team effectiveness and revenue, and as a direct result of
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making a measurable difference in people's lives. We've been talking
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a bit about where this book came from, why it's
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critical for today's standards. After we're going to dive into
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just what does it look like to measure this real
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world impact. We'll be right back.
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Doctor Elise Court says as a management consultant specializing in
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meaning and purpose, an inspirational speaker and author, she helps
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companies visioneer for a greater purpose among stakeholders and develop
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purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures that elevate fulfillment, performance,
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and commitment within the workforce. To learn more or to
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invite a least to speak to your organization, please visit
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her at elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about how to
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get your employees working on purpose. This is working on
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Purpose with doctor Elise Cortes. To reach our program today
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or to open a conversation with Elise, send an email
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to Alise A Lisee at eliscortes dot com. Now back
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to working on Purpose.
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Thanksteresting with us, and welcome back to working on Purpose.
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I'm your host, doctor Elise Cortes, as I too, am
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dedicated to helping create a world where organizations thrive because
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their people thrive are led by inspirational leaders that help
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them find and contribute their greatness, and we do business
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that betters the world. I keep researching your writing my
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own books, so one of them came out recently. It's
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called The Great Revitalization. How activating meaning and purpose can
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radically enliven your business. And I wrote it to help
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leaders understand the layout today's workforce life, what do they
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want and need to give their best and stay with you?
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And then I provide twenty two best practices to equip
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your culture with what that what that looks like? You
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can find my books on Amazon or my personal side
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at least Cortes dot com if you are just now
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joining us. My guess is Wendy Lipton Dibner. She's the
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author of What Matters Matters Most, How leaders build impassioned engagement,
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unrivaled loyalty, and boundless growth by measuring real world impact,
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which is what we're talking about today. So let's get
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a little bit into your your some of your the
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technicalities of what you created when you which I'm just
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gobsmacked by it, by the way, woman just just love it.