Energize Your Work and Life: Unveiling the Secrets to Thriving After Burnout

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today is back once again. Doctor
Neahas Sanguan, who is a founder and

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CEO of Intuitive Intelligence, an intern
medicine physician, internal medicine physician, inter

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international speaker, and corporate cammunication expert. Her private practice and corporate consulting focuses

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on empowering individuals, organizational leaders,
and their teams with the tools for clear,

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effective communication. She addresses their root
causes of stress, miscommunication, and

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interpersonal conflict, often healing chronic conditions
such as headaches, insomnia, anxiety,

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depression, and burnout. She's the
author of talk RX, Five Steps to

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Honest Conversations that create Connection, health
and Happiness, which we discussed on air

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in March of twenty twenty, and
her newest book, Powered by Me From

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Burnout From burnt Out to Fully Charged
at Work and in Life, which we're

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talking about today. She joins today
from Boston. Nayhow welcome back to working

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on purpose. So fantastic to be
with you. Really so good to be

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back. Yeah, thank you,
my friend. And as I said to

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you before we got on air,
I just really appreciate this beautiful thing you've

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birthed into the world, your second
child, as we know, and what

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it is right and by the way, just because we've talked about this,

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this is a whole lot harder than
bringing a child into the world, just

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so you know. And what I
love about it, say, my Indian

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parents and grandparents would have liked an
actual baby. They're notty is going to

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be a couple book babies. And
you know, I think we all leave

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different legacies in the world. And
my hope is that I can find a

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few challenges that are across the world
and do my small part to shed light

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on where I have struggled to give
may that pain and struggle serve as someone

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else's survival guide. And you have, my friend, you have, and

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your story is just amazing. I
mean I know it because we've been friends

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now since I've picked you up in
the pandemic. That's how that's the story.

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I'm sticking with it. And but
you know you are as the classic

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as you say, you know,
overachieving Indian young woman. You know,

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you started off becoming and being a
mechanical and and then you went off to

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medical school and became an internal medicine
physician. And that's where this part of

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the story gets interesting for this book. So will you tell a little bit

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about your background? It just kind
of where this book was birthed. Sure,

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So first of all, what I
want to say, elease, is

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this whole working on purpose and the
idea of purpose. To me, we

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say, oh my god, what
is my purpose? Do I have a

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purpose? And how do I find
it. And the way that I've been

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able to figure out mine is by
going back. And so I'm a middle

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daughter of Indian immigrants. My parents
had an arranged marriage in nineteen sixty five

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and came over here to get an
education. My dad got a few master's

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degrees at University of Michigan. And
I'm the middle daughter of three, and

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so we grew up in Michigan.
And my parents because culturally in India it's

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very normal to like have grandparents and
extended family and everybody lives together and all

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of these things. My grandmother came
to take care of me and my older

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sister. But my grandfather gets stationed
in Africa with the United Nations and says,

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you got to come with me.
I'll do the work part that's here.

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I can do that, but you've
got to navigate the social aspect of

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the United Nations. So I need
you. And they scooped My grandmother scooped

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me up. I was three months
old and took me to Africa for two

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years to live with them, and
she raised me. And it wasn't until

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I was two years old. My
sister was three and a half, but

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they came to pick me up and
that re entry into my family set the

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stage for my life. And I
was so heartbroken, which no one anticipated,

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you know, everyone thought that it
would be kind of the normal way

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that things are done. But I
was so heartbroken. I cried for more

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than a month. But when I
finally realized that this wasn't going to change

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no matter how much pain I was
in, I flipped my strategy, which

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I think is quite brilliant of every
child. When you aren't getting your needs

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met, when you're met with what
feels like trauma to you and disconnection,

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which it really was for me,
I turned it into becoming hyper vigilant of

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the external world and I wondered what
did I do to deserve to be sent

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away or separated from my grandparents?
And when I blame myself, right,

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this is goebor Mate's attachment versus authenticity. When a child has a choice between

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being their authentic selves or suppressing that
to be attached to whomever is around them

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that are their caretakers, They're most
often going to choose attachment because we're helpless.

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I was two years old, going
to feed me, take care of

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me, all of that, So
I became the ultimate people pleaser, and

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I wanted to know who needed what
from me and I was going to do

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it. So when I was six
or seven years old, I overheard my

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dad speaking about how he was and
the second one was a girl too,

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and really what I wanted was a
son who would be an engineer. And

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then I overheard my mom speaking about
how she lost her missed her calling to

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be a surgeon, and she wished
one of her girls would take that up.

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This is how much of a people
please er I am. I was

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like, okay, okay, everybody
can stop fighting, like those aren't mutually

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exclusive. I'll do engineering. And
then middle school I got this handled.

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And so that is really the origins
of how I did this. Now,

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what I'll say is along the way, I liked the problem solving of engineering

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and getting to the root cause of
issues. I don't I'm not a band

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aid kind of girl. I'm not
a skip over, skim over the top

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and get this, you know,
move onto the next thing. I'm let's

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solve this. And then in medicine, I really loved the art the science,

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like the art of science and communication. You really had to communicate with

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people who were so afraid of the
worst thing happening, and so there were

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things I loved and aspects of both
of those that I enjoyed. But when

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I burned out, I walked into
the hospital in two thousand and four one

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day and just burned out. I
asked the nurse. I said that,

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hey, Nina, could you get
me forty millli equivalents of ivy potassium for

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the gentleman in six thirty six?
And she said to me, doctor saying,

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one, are you okay? And
that was my first inclination that I

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might not be because that was the
fourth time she'd ask you. Yeah.

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She said, well, that's the
fourth time you've asked me that same question

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in under five minutes, and I've
answered you every time. And it was

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that moment that I really got it. I got it. It was going

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to take me a little while to
understand that it meant I was burned out

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and that I couldn't go back to
work for a few months. But boy,

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that was a shock. Yeah.
We had to open with that because

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we have to set the stage for
how where all this knowledge and passion comes

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from. So and every time I
hear that story, I just get more

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convicted to just tell you know,
I just how beautiful your soul is,

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that you were such a people pleaser
and you you know, I'll take care

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of my mom and my dad.
I got this. It's amazing. So

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a lot of respect for the journey
that you have traversed and now what you've

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learned as a results. So three
hundred and thirty eight pages teach us about

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burnout, and it's that much to
know. And also though listeners and viewers,

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we really get to know Naha in
this book. It's so beautiful.

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She already lets us inside. So
for those of us who really don't really

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know what burnout is, what's your
definition of burnout? Sure? Well,

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I will say I'm an internal medicine
position. And here's what I'll tell you.

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No one taught us about this in
medical school, unless you've had a

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personal experience with it, unless you've
gone deep outside of what you've learned in

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medicine. What the traditional system.
We focus on crisis care. So if

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you go to your employer's EAP,
like the Employee Assistance Program and they send

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you to us, we've got like
two things we're going to give you.

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We're going to listen and we're going
to get context of where you are.

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If we think it's appropriate, we're
going to give you a prescription for paid

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time off on stress leap. The
second thing we've got to give you in

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our toolkit is a cocktail of medications, depending on the context of what you're

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presenting in your symptoms, a sleep
sleep medication, anxiety medication, or antidepressant

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medication. Now, for really,
really progressive, we're going to consider telling

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you to do some stress management or
yoga classes. And when I really understood

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that, I made it my job
to figure out how to Because ten days

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or a month later, or however
long later, we send you back in

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the ring for round two with no
understanding of how you got there and what

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to do differently. So how can
we expect people to go back in the

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workforce and do it differently? And
so what I'll say is burnout. First,

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you got to understand what it is. So powered by me in the

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book that launched in twenty twenty three, I teach you how to. We

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didn't demystify this global overwhelm. We
personalize it to you and we give you

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powerful and practical tools to heal.
So demystifying it would be try it.

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What is burnout? Well, the
research says number one, you are physically,

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mentally, emotionally fatigued. Right,
So the first one is that exhaustion.

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Now people say, oh, yeah, I was fine on Monday,

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but I was burned out by Friday. No, no, no, not

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that kind of exhaustion. Exhaustion that
mother nature has adjusted your blood pressure.

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You've gone from half a cup of
coffee to three cups of coffee over a

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few years, and you didn't even
realize it. You perhaps use a glass

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of wine after work to take the
edge off, and now you're like,

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could you just hand me the bottle
please, When you are gradually doing what

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you need to to kind of survive, and you have all these coping mechanisms,

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or if you go for a run, maybe some people say, yeah,

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I exercise it out. What I'd
say is, notice if you used

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to run one mile or two miles, and now you need five to get

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the same effect, because whatever your
coping mechanism is, you're needing more of

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it to get the same outcome.
So number one in the tryaud of what

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is burnout, it's physical, mental, emotional exhaustion. And it's occurred over

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time. I'm talking months to years. I'm not talking days. To weeks

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number two. As that's been going
on for some time, you notice at

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some point that you are starting to
depersonalize. You're starting to try and to

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try to conserve your energy. You
might feel lonely or disconnected from other people,

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but you don't have the energy to
be social, and you start to

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figure out ways to kind of avoid
social interactions because it takes energy, and

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you become cynical. So cynicism creeps
in. And cynicism is when you think

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of it like an undertow in the
ocean. So you're walking, you can

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feel it, but boy, you
can't see it, but you can feel

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it. It's the thoughts in your
mind that in that exhaustion, you start

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to say to yourself things like,
you know, it doesn't even it doesn't

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matter how hard I work, how
hard I try, It's not going to

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make a difference. It doesn't really
matter anyway. And your own thoughts now

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start to go against you, which
you're already exhausted and sinking. And when

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that starts happening, now you're really
going to have a much harder time getting

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out. And lastly is in effectiveness. You start not being effective at things

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that you used to be able to
do, or it's not really like you.

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Like I give you a great example
of me not being effective, being

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ineffective that when I walked in and
asked the same question four times. I'm

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just really grateful that somebody stopped me, because what if I wrote the wrong

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dose of a medication, what if
I made a choice that you know,

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that's the most benign way that it
could have happened. So what I'll say

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is it's exhaustion, cynicism, and
ineffectiveness. But here's the thing. If

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that's not you right now, what
I want you to know is the world

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can change fast, and what we
need is each other. And so I

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am really grateful for that nurse stopping
me. Indeed, well you've this is

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a powerful, full stage that two
have set here. So what I want

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to do is we'll grab our first
break, and so what we'll do then

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is after the break, I want
to get into your your five energies,

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your system, if you will,
your navigation system. So let's let our

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listeners and viewers think about what you've
said here and maybe consider what symptoms they

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may be experiencing themselves around burnout,
and then we'll catch them on the back

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side here. I'm your host,
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She's an internal medicine physician, international
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So, first, you mentioned before
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can take. Where is Is it
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okay, burnout dash r x and
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Well, I was also very intrigued
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book there are a few other measures
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how in terms of how we measure
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Where can we where can we go? Say that again? A few other

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inventory for example, and you mentioned
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be just great to be able to
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Maslock so Christina Maslock and Michael Leiter
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researchers, forty fifty years of research
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for a long time, and a
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But where my frustration has come in
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numbers go up and up, and
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trajectory moving up. I want to
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this? Uh, there's also the
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It tells you that whether you're burned
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you the source, like if you
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come from? Right? Stanford?
There's a Stanford Wellness survey too, and

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I can't believe I'm blanking on the
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Z. So there's a Mini Z
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you want to check those out,
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where you can find. Yes,
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that go ahead. Well, I
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who's listening, there's the phases.
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balance, like it's a lot,
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that space you might have GI difficulties. You know, you might feel headaches,

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insomnia, irritability, anxiousness, you
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be defensive, you might start forgetting
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any of those symptoms that I mentioned
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headaches and all that. First,
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of burnout. You know. That's
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from your doctor and they say you're
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the second place you're thinking is,
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stages of burnout? Right. I
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the speed, point one point one, the elevation. They just keep turning

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coping mechanisms that we spoke about earlier, and you're just fatigue. You're hanging

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mechanisms, you're not able to recover
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what happened was one more thing happened, and they slid into the third phase,

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which is the exhaustion phase, and
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to ineffectiveness. And that was a
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that's when you know you might have
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and we're giving you a tool where
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out where you are, and begin
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gives such strong access for people like, oh, my gosh, she's talking

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about me. Yeah, you know, well, I got to say,

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we're all some where on the spectrum
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net gain or a net drain of
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social, and spiritual level. And
that's what that Intuitive Intelligence ink dot

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that's where you're going to be able to

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figure it out. So good I'm
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my friend, I just think it's
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the importance of optimizing those five precious
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around them. So that's really what
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I want to dive into each of
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interesting, and especially of course the
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But let's talk about each one of
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start with physical energy. Sure,
maybe maybe you want to describe your navigation

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system first, because you have a
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Sure. Well, basically what I'm
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use your body. Okay, what
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collectively to speed up the external world. So if you think about success,

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the way the world define success,
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social media post. It's how much
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do you have a corner office.
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but what's the title? Where are
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how much money is in your bank
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by the way, I just want
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spoiler alert. At the end of
people's lives. They never talk to me

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about any of those things. I
remember that in your book. What they

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talk to me about is did they
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Were there any regrets they have?
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make? Yep? And so what
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collectively to speed up the external world
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like the messages and signals coming from
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from our spirit, we miss the
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right here that tells us like a
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for our purpose in life, whether
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curriculum, like our soul curriculum in
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are here, and we're in life
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are unique to us, as unique
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so the way that I help you
understand where you are from burned out to

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fully charged is that idea of do
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drain of energy on a physical,
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and your spirit, noticing what lights
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you, what drains you of energy? What has you dreading? Like?

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heart attacks are twenty percent higher at

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four am on Monday mornings? Right? That cannot be by chance? Right?

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you to answer questions when you do
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as we're talking right now, pay
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relaxed and at ease that's net energy
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you're constricting heavy tight. So the
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It's composed of how do you nourish
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whole foods? Do you find yourself
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just like not feeling so good?
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to nine hours of quality sleep a
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mean, so many of us have
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somebody who looks at your device to
see how well you slept? Like you're

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not checking in with your own body. You're looking you want to know your

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readiness score on a device. That's
what you've checked out of your body and

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into the machine outside you. It
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but you never want to lose waking
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you wake up and are you refreshed
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is movement. Do you have a
joyful way to move your body multiple times

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a week? And lastly energy do
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assessment that you've already got is give yourself

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a rating on a scale of one
to ten. Where are you in food,

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energy, food, slo movement and
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really poor, you're unsatisfied with it, ten being yeah, I'm way satisfied.

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I'm extremely satisfied with this. And
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write down what would make that area
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that, check in with any other
physical signals you have. Do you have

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back pain, do you have joint
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of that. That's your physical body, and then underneath once you use what

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your mind just answered. I want
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heavy net drain or open, relaxed
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on your physical energy. Is it
giving you a net gain or a net

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drain of energy? I think that
is just such a fresh way of looking

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at this. Neiha, It's just
it's brilliant. Yes, well, thank

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you, yeah, thank you for
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what I did is when I saw
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patients, client, and it's corporate
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had to figure out, if we
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commonality that we all come in with. And that's what twenty years of seeing

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clients and patients has taught me.
It taught me how I got here,

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and it taught me the very like
the variety of ways that people come in

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here, you know. So let's
let's talk mental mental energy. Mental energy

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is it's about how you form your
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let's say you make a plan with
me to go to lunch at noon

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tomorrow and I show up. I
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me, not now because now you
might trust me. But let's just say,

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oh, okay, so let's just
say you and I I am changing

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my mind, go to lunch and
say we're going to go to lunch at

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noon. Okay. And it's twelve
twenty five and I haven't shown up twelve

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fifteen and you've maybe written me,
texted me, called or whatever. No

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answer. What's your first thought?
My first thought? Because well, self,

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if I didn't know you, I
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book, I would say, huh, you know, did I get something

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wrong here? Does she not care
about me? Does she she got interested

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in this relationship? Is she not
valuing my time? Yeah? But you

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know me? And uh, and
so there's some trust there also. So

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there's different ways when something goes wrong
that we form our thoughts. Now,

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if it wasn't that, but it
was a first date and you were really

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excited about it, what would your
first thought be, Oh, I've been

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in this before, my friend,
let's see, first thought would be you

408
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know, I would I would first
thought would be, you know, did

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I get something wrong? It is
something kind of in the crosshairs here.

410
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We just connected on something wrong day? Whatever, I go back and check

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my did I miss a message,
and then you know, I would probably

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depending on how where I was in
terms of my emotional state that day,

413
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I might start to go, maybe
this guy just blew me off. Okay,

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so here we go. There's same
situation. Now, if I was

415
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in that situation, I'd be thinking
to myself, how rude does his parents

416
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not teach him to? Like,
that's so rude? So he's rude?

417
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You know all of this? Okay, So same situation, same data.

418
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We can put data together in multiple
ways. You can personalize it is something

419
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wrong with me, not interested in
me. You can project it you're rude,

420
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something's wrong with the other person.
Or you can go bigger, which

421
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you did as well, which is
wow. I wonder if the logistics are

422
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right. I hope that they didn't
get this person didn't get stuck in traffic.

423
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I hope their plane was okay,
Oh the weather's well, who knows?

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Okay. So that's generalization. Now
can you imagine people who are running

425
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around with the thoughts in their head
being what did I do wrong? Kind

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of like the little version of me
that was like what did I do wrong

427
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.720
to get sent away from my parents
and my grandparents? So personalization is my

428
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default. I want to know what
I did wrong. That is a really

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draining way in the mental energy.
So what I do in this is I

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ask you you have seventy thousand thoughts
per day approximately, and ninety to ninety

431
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:38.599
five percent of them are the same
as yesterday. So unless you are someone

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who seeks new information, grows,
you know, has a crisis, something

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unexpected happening, the beauty of that
is it picks you out of those that

434
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routine, no doubt. So you
want to pay attention to where you you

435
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know, where are you kind of
having these thoughts that might be in the

436
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background, they're in the shower,
they're when you're commuting, they're whenever.

437
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But really what they are is they're
draining you of energy. And it's like

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your thoughts on repeat. So mental
energy. So we explore that in the

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mental energy section. So emotional should
we move there? Not yet, because

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we've got to grab our first or
our last break, hang on and we're

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going to finish strong. I'm Released
Cortez, your host who on the air

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with doctor Neha Sanguan. She is
the author of Power by Me From Burned

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Out to Fully Charged at work and
in life. We've been talking about two

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of the energies that she addresses in
her book. We're going to cover the

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other three after Break'll be right back. Doctor Elise Cortez is a management consultant

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specializing in meaning and purpose. An
inspirational speaker and author. She helps companies

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visioneer for greater purpose among stakeholders and
develop purpose inspired leadership and meaning infused cultures

448
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that elevate fulfillment, performance, and
commitment within the workforce. To learn more

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or to invite a lease to speak
to your organization, please visit her at

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elisecortes dot com. Let's talk about
how to get your employees working on purpose.

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This is working on Purpose with doctor
Elise Cortes. To reach our program

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today or to open a conversation with
Elise, send an email to a lease

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a lisee at elisecortes dot com.
Now back to working on Purpose. Thanks

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for staying with us, and welcome
back to working on Purpose. I'm your

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host, doctor Elise Cortes. As
I mentioned in the first break about my

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latest work that came out, the
Great Revitalization, what I did for you

457
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is I created a three page assessment
for you to be able to download from

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my website. To to find out
the extent to which your organization's actually set

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up for today's workforce. You can
find it at Gusto dshnouw dot com if

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you are just joining joining us today. My guest is doctor Neehssanguan, who

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is founder and CEO of Intuitive Intelligence. She's an internal medicine physician, international

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speaker, and corporate communication expert.
Okay, so we talked about physical energy

463
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so far in mental energy so far, so next up is emotional energy.

464
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Yeah, this one's pretty important.
It's one of the things that we have

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as a society and especially at work. We have made taboo we say keep

466
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:42.800
work at work and home at home, and we have not taught. We

467
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haven't been taught, and we have
not taught our children how to handle disappointment,

468
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:52.840
devastation, just not getting what they
want. And what it results in

469
00:35:53.119 --> 00:36:00.760
is people deflecting blame onto other people. It has resulted in, I believe

470
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a lot of the divide we face
in our world today is the people not

471
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.960
understanding how to handle the discomfort.
So emotional energy is about how good are

472
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.400
you at handling tears, anger and
anxiety, trauma, grief and loss?

473
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:22.480
What about apologies and forgiveness. You
know, how good are you at this?

474
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And most importantly do you regularly infuse
joy and play into your day?

475
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:32.719
And so the questions here are about
I can get a really quick pulse check

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on your emotional energy by just asking
one question. Tell me where in your

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life you are avoiding conflict or challenging
emotions in your relationships, personal, professional?

478
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.960
What about your social life? What
about you know, finances, what

479
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.880
about you know, any other area
of your life? Right, it's like,

480
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where are you avoiding conversations, challenging
emotions, all of that, because

481
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:06.760
that'll tell me exactly where you're having
a net drain of energy. The flip

482
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.599
side of that is true as well. Tell me where you gain joy and

483
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:15.599
you know, you get to play. What areas of your life are fun

484
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:20.559
right? That infuse you with energy? And so that's how you take a

485
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.880
pulse check. And it's not just
like I said the answers to the questions,

486
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.800
it's also paying attention to your body
because sometimes your mind says things like

487
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.360
oh yeah, I'm fine with that, but your throat constricts and your stomach

488
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:37.079
turns. Your body is telling you
it's a net drain. So we have

489
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:44.079
adapted to this world, but sometimes
in doing so we miss the clues.

490
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:50.239
So, yeah, emotions, that's
a place that I think as a world,

491
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.880
our heart is almost like the blue
dot on a GPS system. It

492
00:37:54.960 --> 00:38:01.920
says you are here now. Emotions
are a way. All they are is

493
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:08.800
telling us how we're relating and experiencing
our life in this moment. They're not

494
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.119
a sign of weakness, They're not
all the things that people judge them to

495
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:19.760
be. They're literally could you navigate
your life or a trip that you were

496
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on without knowing where you are now? And that's the power of the heart.

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So emotions really really pivotabal pivotal.
If it's something you haven't spent time

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00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.679
on, there's lots of great tools
for you to explore there. Well,

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I learned so much from you,
Naha and our first conversation in your first

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book talk Orex about emotions, and
I know, I love how you say

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that emotions are energy in motion and
they have to go somewhere, We have

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to move them through ourselves and that
what you taught me from that conversation,

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and that book has saved me so
many times and made me productive, happy,

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00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:01.800
And how you've taught me how to
do that, So, thank you,

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00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.679
friend, You are well welcome in
this book. The way I say

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00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.320
it is, you know, we
are a country in a world that stuffs

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00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:15.480
emotions and then fights or of divides
with each other, and we got to

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00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.199
learn how to reveal, feel and
heal them so they move through us and

509
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.199
we don't have them stuck inside us
where they turn into back pain and all

510
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:27.960
sorts of other things. And the
question is when are we going to lean

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into the discomfort short term so that
we can have long term joy, happiness,

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connection and love. I'm in that
world with you, my friend.

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00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.119
I'm happy to help help grow that
boat with you, happy to do that.

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That's why, that's that's why I'm
in the meaning, passion, purpose,

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inspiration space. So that takes us
then to social energy. You bet

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so, social energy. This one
is another one. This is about navigating

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00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:00.639
power and hierarchy, not just you
know, at work, but at the

518
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.000
dinner table, not just in the
boardroom but in the bedroom. There's so

519
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.960
many ways that we are navigating how
we show up, whether we show up

520
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.320
authentically, whether we're our true selves, whether we hold back all of that.

521
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:17.119
There's also setting you know, expectations
and making clear agreements and drawing healthy

522
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:21.840
boundaries. How good are you at
that? Because it's going to determine the

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quality of your relationships, and the
quality of your relationships determines the quality of

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your life. So what about this
when when you are disappointed or upset with

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00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.480
someone, do you talk about them
or do you talk to them? That's

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00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:39.159
the drama triangle we explore that.
I will tell you every Indian movie is

527
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:44.039
based on like the mother in law
not being happy with the daughter in law,

528
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.159
she's not good enough in my son
and it's all talking about everybody not

529
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.840
to each other. It's hilarious.
So not really but yes, so drama

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triangle. And the other piece is
how good are you? A leaning into

531
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.199
healthy conflict and that's top r X, which will lead has already spoken about.

532
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:05.360
I have a whole book on It's
an audiobook that you can get,

533
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:10.119
but it's talk our X five steps
to honest conversations that create connection, health

534
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.880
and happiness. It's healthy conflict is
its own book. But everything else you're

535
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:21.800
going to get get here. So
just noticing. The way you assess your

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00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:29.039
social energy is write down the five
people or groups of people that you spend

537
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.840
the most time with in person or
online, and then check in after you're

538
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.559
writing their name and pay attention to
your body. Constricted, tight, heavy

539
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:43.280
net drain, open, relaxed,
and light net gain. And when you

540
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.639
look at those five right and pay
attention to your body, you then will

541
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:50.880
say, overall, my social energy
is a net gain or net drain.

542
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.559
It's powerful, it really is.
And the other thing that I thought I

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00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.519
wanted to talk about with regards to
this social energy, because the show is

544
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:05.480
called Working on Purpose, is I
like it? You also point out that

545
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we need to also pay attention to
how we relate to people at work and

546
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:14.280
respect other different work styles. And
I get really excited about those. You

547
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:15.840
know, you talk about the four
main work styles and I know which one

548
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.599
I am. I know which one
you are. But will you cover those

549
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.440
just brief of those four work styles? Absolutely, I'd love to. So.

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The first work style is the doer. There they love accomplishment. Checking

551
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.280
things off the to do list gives
them that adrenaline high. They have a

552
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.000
model, it's like Nike, just
do it. You know them at the

553
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.440
gym because they're on the treadmill,
you know, or the elliptical. They

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got their earphones and they're listening to
a podcast while they're reading the paper.

555
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They're getting it all to done.
And if they were a car, they

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00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:51.440
would be a hummer because boy,
they're going to get from point A to

557
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.960
point B. You're in their way, like you watch out, and they're

558
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:58.280
going to here's their superpower. They
come in on time and under budget.

559
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.159
And here's the kicker. Their greatest
sphere is vulnerability. So they're going to

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keep doing so they don't have to
feel. The second work style is the

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thinker. The thinker's currency is about
thoughts, analytical skills, solving complex problems,

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00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.840
numbers, sequence. Their motto is
do it once and do it right.

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So they're willing to slow down and
really think through things and sort things

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00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:28.719
out. They're the people who solve
some of our most complex problems. Now

565
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:32.360
them at the gym, they've got
like all the reps in order. They're

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like keeping track of everything. And
if someone's already on the machine that they

567
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.440
need no wait, now, that
would make the doers crazy, right,

568
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.800
And we're the car that they that
I put with them as the prius because

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00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.400
I want them to you know,
they're they're the ones who are thinking through

570
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.760
the gas mileage, the carpool laying
access, the environment, the cost Like

571
00:43:54.880 --> 00:44:00.719
they're they are thinking about all and
their greatest sphere is of looking foolish,

572
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.320
so they're going to want to slow
down and get it right. The third

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one is the seer, and the
seer is the visionary, is the ideas,

574
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possibility and just brainstorming, enjoying that
being what's cutting edge and new and

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00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.599
novelty. Now they're a little bit
flashy. They've got something. They always

576
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:21.880
have something cool, a cool color, a cool pair of socks, a

577
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.800
great watch, something like that.
They're the fun people at the party.

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Now while they are at the like, you know, how do we know

579
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:31.880
them at the gym? Well,
they're not. They would never be in

580
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:37.480
a conventional gym. They're like out
on a carbon fiber bike, traversing like

581
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new They're they're creating new paths that
other bikers will someday use, right,

582
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So they're the trailblazers, and their
greatest fear is of being trapped. They

583
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:52.760
want all possibilities. And the last
one is the feeler. The feeler is

584
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the one whose currency is connection,
people, relationships, and they are you

585
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:01.159
know, their motto is like,
hey listen, if you want to go

586
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.920
fast, go alone. If you
want to go you know, together,

587
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.360
you got to go slower. So
I totally mess that up, but you

588
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:15.519
get the idea. So it's an
African proverb that's essentially saying, you know,

589
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:21.440
do you care about how you get
there? And so the feelers at

590
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.760
the gym, oh, they're not. They're not there to sweat like,

591
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:29.599
they're there to socialize, like they're
with other people. And their car would

592
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.679
be a minivan or like maybe we'll
make it a bus because it doesn't matter

593
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.440
how we get there as long as
we all go together. Right. And

594
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.400
by the way, the seer's car
that I didn't tell you, is like

595
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:44.159
a red convertible, you know,
Tesla truck. And the reason it's red

596
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.679
is because it doesn't even come in
red. They did like a custom paint

597
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:52.400
job. So you're a seer,
feeler, you know, we need all

598
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.480
of them. The best teams have
a doer who's going to get things on

599
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.039
time and under budget, a thinker
who make sure we thought through everything,

600
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.840
a seer who has the most cutting
edge idea, and a feeler who makes

601
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.599
who's the glue of the team and
keeps everybody together. Yeah beautiful, Oh

602
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:13.079
I love it when you do that. Okay, we just have a little

603
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.320
bit more time here, but I
just want to just briefly introduce spiritual and

604
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:21.599
spiritual energy. Sure, people ask
me why did you put spiritual energy in

605
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.639
a business book, and I said, because it's the most important energy of

606
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:30.440
them all. Spiritual energy is about
what matters to you, why you get

607
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:35.519
up every day and spend your time, precious time and energy doing what you

608
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.639
do. What difference is it going
to make? So it's about your highest

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values. Spiritual energy is about the
areas in which you'll take risks. It's

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about where you trust yourself and where
you don't. Because where you take risks

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in the world, For me,
it's in every other area except physical and

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romantic has been my risk taking.
So yes to mental, emotional, social,

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spiritual, entrepreneurial, financial, Yes, yes, yes, But the

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other two are where I didn't take
risks. And that's how you can tell

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where I trust myself and where I
don't. Now I'm happy to say that

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I've been taking some risks in the
romantic area for a few years, but

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prior to that I didn't. So
just ask yourself that question. Also,

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pay attention to where you feel appreciated
and valued both at working at home,

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and most importantly, whether you're feeling
really connected to your purpose and the why

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of why and where you are Why
it matters, and it's going to matter

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long after you're here. So spiritual
energy it fuels all of it. I

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ask several questions in that burnout assessment
that can help people get clear on that,

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and so I really hope that you'll
take it. I will. Let's

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see one more time. What the
uril is? Please, Intuitive Intelligence,

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Inc. I n C. At
the end, there dot com, forward

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slash, burnout, pypeen RX burnout
dh RX like burnout prescription. I got

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it. Okay, beautiful, Okay, Well we've managed to get all the

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way through the end of the show. You know that the shows is new

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by people around the world. They
care about creating and being part of workplaces

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that lift them and inspire them to
their greatness. We do business a better

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as the world. We have these
inspirational leaders that help us along the way.

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What would you like to leave them
with today? I'd like to leave

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you with if you're one of those
people that has learned to master the external

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world, it's time to tune into
your internal world. Because your body is

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talking. The question is are you
listening? And so that constriction and that

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it's time to learn you have the
unique language your physiology, your heart racing,

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your stomach turning, your throat constricting. It's not something to push through.

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It's time to partner with your body, not push through it. And

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I'd say that learning that is the
game change for the future of success,

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agility, innovation and being able to
function in a world that's moving faster than

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many of our biologies can handle.
Beautiful way to finish, nehat so wonderful.

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We'll have you back on again.
Thank you for coming on, working

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on purpose and sharing your heart,
your soul and your beautiful intellect and emotions.

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M thank you, Ellie. Such
an honor to be with you anytime.

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Listeners and viewers, you are going
to want to learn more about this

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amazing woman, doctor Nehas Sanguan,
the work that she and her team do

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at Intuitive Intelligence, the speaking that
she does in her books. And the

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best place to do is you said
Intuitive Intelligence Inc. Dot com and or

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Neha Sanguan dot com so you'll get
the kind of cross over. But yes,

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Intuitive Intelligence Inc. Doc Okay,
last week you you missed the live

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show you can always catch it be
recorded podcast. We were on air with

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doctor Raj Sosodia talking about his latest
of sixteen books called Awaken, the Path

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to Purpose in Her Peace and Healing, which is the only one his works

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that is incredibly personal, tells his
real story and lets us into his journey

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to purpose, inner piece and healing, and invites us to come along with

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him along the journey. It was
incredibly tender and elevating conversation about his life

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and his work. Next week will
be on the air with doctor Andre Martin

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talking about his new book Wrong Fit, Right Fit. Why how we work

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matters more than ever See you there. Remember work as one of the greatest

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inventors and means of realizing our potential
and making the impact we crave. So

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let's work on Purpose. We hope
you've enjoyed this week's program. Be sure

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to tune into Working on Purpose featuring
your host, doctor Elise Cortes each week

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on W four C Why. Together, We'll create a world where business operates

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conscientiously. Leadership inspires and passion performance
and employees are fulfilled in work that provides

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the meaning and purpose they crave.
See you there, let's work on purpose,